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[Q] Why all Sense 3.0 ROMS threads being locked?

Dear Admins
Why locking every new Sense 3.0 ROM thread? (Spare Honeysense 3D)
I am really worried about the spirit of competition for Sense 3.0 development on DHD... Every new Sense 3.0 ROM being posted get locked within a day or so.
This is unhealthy practice and I would think it has dire consequences regarding pushing Sense 3.0 forward on our device.
There must be some other way to settle arguments other than doing it this way in public.
I have no hard-feelings towards any of the Devs involved in this matter, but it is getting way too much now.
I hope we can keep XDA forums a pleasant and civilized place for all Devs (like it is meant to be). After all, it is an open source OS and no one has rights to claim any part of the software spare HTC and Google Devs imho.
Cheers

naailalzuhir said:
Dear Admins
Why locking every new Sense 3.0 ROM thread? (Spare Honeysense 3D)
I am really worried about the spirit of competition for Sense 3.0 development on DHD... Every new Sense 3.0 ROM being posted get locked within a day or so.
This is unhealthy practice and I would think it has dire consequences regarding pushing Sense 3.0 forward on our device.
There must be some other way to settle arguments other than doing it this way in public.
I have no hard-feelings towards any of the Devs involved in this matter, but it is getting way too much now.
I hope we can keep XDA forums a pleasant and civilized place for all Devs (like it is meant to be). After all, it is an open source OS and no one has rights to claim any part of the software spare HTC and Google Devs imho.
Cheers
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I think it's because of people using virtuous unity as a base without their permission. There aren't many devs that can port and resize a stock Sensation etc. rom to the DHD, so that's why almost every new Sense 3.0 rom is based on a already existing port. If people made their own roms from scratch it would be ok as it would bring some diversity. Now all new sense 3.0 roms are practically the same as there can't be any huge differences if the devs don't know how to use the m10 tools for example.

Hawks556 said:
I think it's because of people using virtuous unity as a base without their permission. There aren't many devs that can port and resize a stock Sensation etc. rom to the DHD, so that's why almost every new Sense 3.0 rom is based on a already existing port. If people made their own roms from scratch it would be ok as it would bring some diversity. Now all new sense 3.0 roms are practically the same as there can't be any huge differences if the devs don't know how to use the m10 tools for example.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but don't all MIUI and Cyanogenmod custom ports are based on the original Rom with some tweaks? Why Sense 3 needs to be different...
I never saw an MIUI or Cyanogenmod custom ROM being locked for this reason.
If you have a good base that you can just simply tweak for better performance/custom looks, wouldn't that make devs lives easier and get us more choices to Flash? Of course I cannot expect someone to take a base without mentioning the original dev/team who cooked it and giving them proper credit for their work. But still mentioning them in credits should be enough imho. And still people have the choice to flash whatever they want.
Cheers

naailalzuhir said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't all MIUI and Cyanogenmod custom ports are based on the original Rom with some tweaks? Why Sense 3 needs to be different...
I never saw an MIUI or Cyanogenmod custom ROM being locked for this reason.
If you have a good base that you can just simply tweak for better performance/custom looks, wouldn't that make devs lives easier and get us more choices to Flash? Of course I cannot expect someone to take a base without mentioning the original dev/team who cooked it and giving them proper credit for their work. But still mentioning them in credits should be enough imho. And still people have the choice to flash whatever they want.
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My main point is the last sentence in my previous post. There isn't much tweaking you can do as a dev if you don't know how to work with the rom in the first place. If someone wants to modify the looks of a rom they could just release a theme. There's just too little being added to these new roms that someone could be able to call it their own imo and then there's the permission part...
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I tried just about every ROM for my inspire and I decided to keep Honey3d.. after trying just about every sense 3.0 ROM, I believe that each one had its own touch. They look very similar but some just had a different style or look. Personally there was a big enough difference between them all to meet everyone's different styles.
If your worried about them all looking the same, take a look at some of the other ROMs out there too. Many of them look close to a bunch of the other ROMs.
Overall I don't really understand the locking on the 3.0 threads. I really hope I get to keep using Honey3D.. I don't really want to change to anything else
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i don't know about it.
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Thanks for sharing that useful piece of information just to get your post count up
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Hawks556 said:
Thanks for sharing that useful piece of information just to get your post count up
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Lol....you see that all the time. I can't tell if its an attempt to boost post count or serious language barrier.
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ICS coming to HTC Devices!

http://androidcommunity.com/htc-looking-over-ice-cream-sandwich-to-determine-upgrade-plan-20111021/
Since Google unveiled Ice Cream Sandwich earlier this week, HTC has been looking closely at the new OS’s features and functionality to determine our upgrade plans. We’re a recognized industry leader in providing fast and consistent upgrades to our Android devices, and Ice Cream Sandwich will be no different.
Upgrades require a careful balance of hardware and software to ensure the best possible performance and usability, so please stay tuned as we assess our product portfolio. Our goal is to upgrade as many HTC devices as possible and we’ll be sharing details on specific devices and timing in the coming weeks!
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I doubt there will be ICS for Desire but it's still great news as it will be easier to port it for Desire from Device with same resolution etc.

Shocker...

Ye xD had you expected HTC to suddenly abandon android completely?
But yes it's nice with some kind of confirmation for those wanting sense ports, but a timeline would be even more appreciated.
Personally i'm gonna stick with aosp for now.

im not having a go at the op, but i cant understand why someone would post that htc are supporting ics, even if they werent, thanks to the brilliant devs we have for the desire, we'll be getting ics, and we already have an alpha build already.

will8578 said:
im not having a go at the op, but i cant understand why someone would post that htc are supporting ics, even if they werent, thanks to the brilliant devs we have for the desire, we'll be getting ics, and we already have an alpha build already.
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Though the chances of them porting a full sense on top(for those wanting sense) is very slim xD So it's still kinda good news.

I believe one of the main UI features of ICS is that you won't need Sense.

After seeing UI on screenshots I want Sense more than ever.

Terepin said:
After seeing UI on screenshots I want Sense more than ever.
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at least some people want sense on ICS too... I get sad when everyone just moans that sense is rubbish

ICS UI is a joke. Even stock Android ain't consistent across their OWN APPS! That's just fail on so many levels.

sense on the wildfire made me hate sense ui, ofcourse on the desire its amazing, although i fell in lurv with the desire because of miui, which so far at 2 weeks is the longest rom iv had, i used to flash it on friday then few days later would be flashing a new one, oh and TP kutgw as house, very amusing u miserable bleep lol
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[Q] sense rom for galaxy s 3 att

im a new owner of this awesome devices was previously an htc evo user then went to the evil world of iphones then got out for the galaxy s3 the evo had so much more development and porting but i miss the htc sense would any dev please attempt a sense 3.5 or 4 or even 2,0 to our devices

That's borderline impossible. Completely different framework and kernels. There is a team working on bringing sense to Samsung, sense4all,I believe. Its not something the average person can manage to do.

The Archangel said:
That's borderline impossible. Completely different framework and kernels. There is a team working on bringing sense to Samsung, sense4all,I believe. Its not something the average person can manage to do.
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not necessarly true a new kernel would have to be created but not impossible if htc devices can get touchwiz booting the s3 def can have sense booting 2 sense4all was successfully created for the galaxy s3 international problem is thats a completly diffrent hardware then the sgh i747 im really looking forward to the deving on this device its nice and powerfull and i hope that more people get on the dev scene on this

atadres said:
not necessarly true a new kernel would have to be created but not impossible if htc devices can get touchwiz booting the s3 def can have sense booting 2 sense4all was successfully created for the galaxy s3 international problem is thats a completly diffrent hardware then the sgh i747 im really looking forward to the deving on this device its nice and powerfull and i hope that more people get on the dev scene on this
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Yes a new kernel would be needed. The difference in the sense based stuff in an htc kernel does not directly work with a Samsung device of the same processors. The ram disk needs to be modified, correct drivers would either need to be made or modded, that's just for the basics. I'm not including adding in the camera, sound, radio, touchscreen etc stuff. Those a specific to each different device with the newer versions of android now of days.
I can't just directly port over a touchwiz ROM an drop it on my phone, so much work goes into it. If you do get the kernel built correctly, more problems arise. Gotta rework the framework to match the Samsung phone, including HTC's framework among other HTC specific files.
What HTC phone has a full booting touchwiz rom?

Not to mention a lot of Sense drivers are closed source and proprietary.

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Not to mention a lot of Sense drivers are closed source and proprietary.
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Htc desire has a working touchwiz rom and isnt touchwiz closed source as well i dont doubt it woukd take allot of work but this is what xda devs do most roms ivr seen out in this forum are stripped stock or asop or kangs of cm and 1 miui rom or a themed touchwiz or jb the jb is probsbly the nicest

atadres said:
Htc desire has a working touchwiz rom and isnt touchwiz closed source as well i dont doubt it woukd take allot of work but this is what xda devs do most roms ivr seen out in this forum are stripped stock or asop or kangs of cm and 1 miui rom or a themed touchwiz or jb the jb is probsbly the nicest
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Please link me to that Rom

im sorry i mean the htc evo
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Please link me to that Rom
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i meant the htc evo not desire sorry i have way too many phones anyways i believe the link for evo has been taken down heres a youtube
video of it also doing a little more research i discovered that those over at the htc one x devs on xda have managed to port the entire UI over to their devices
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821047
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY2O64tCB60&feature=player_embedded here is the youtube video for touchwiz on the htc evo
i also have the actual rom file since the actual forum was taken down about a year ago i can provide the rom file on request as its stored on my 4shared mirror

atadres said:
i meant the htc evo not desire sorry i have way too many phones anyways i believe the link for evo has been taken down heres a youtube
video of it also doing a little more research i discovered that those over at the htc one x devs on xda have managed to port the entire UI over to their devices
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821047
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY2O64tCB60&feature=player_embedded here is the youtube video for touchwiz on the htc evo
i also have the actual rom file since the actual forum was taken down about a year ago i can provide the rom file on request as its stored on my 4shared mirror
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That video doesn't prove that is a full touchwiz Rom. Then your link is only for the launcher,yet again that doesn't prove anything at all. The Rom is just a stripped out sense Rom(ie senseless)with touchwiz launcher an possibly ui. It's not a full touchwiz rom.

The Archangel said:
That video doesn't prove that is a full touchwiz Rom. Then your link is only for the launcher,yet again that doesn't prove anything at all. The Rom is just a stripped out sense Rom(ie senseless)with touchwiz launcher an possibly ui. It's not a full touchwiz rom.
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hmmm interesting would that be a possibility for us i747 users?
sir my question was simply why can they bring our UI to them and we cannot port anything to our devices besides Aosp and Aokp and miui they have ports of our UI why not port there UI ? they stripped sense and got a Touchwiz Ui on top of it why don't we start with an Aosp or AOkp and throw in a Sense UI im not here to argue about getting a full rom my question was hey can we get some sense on our phones and thanks for all the help ive never had a moderator actually reply to my questions its good to have an active moderator on a forum props to you sir

atadres said:
hmmm interesting would that be a possibility for us i747 users?
sir my question was simply why can they bring our UI to them and we cannot port anything to our devices besides Aosp and Aokp and miui they have ports of our UI why not port there UI ? they stripped sense and got a Touchwiz Ui on top of it why don't we start with an Aosp or AOkp and throw in a Sense UI im not here to argue about getting a full rom my question was hey can we get some sense on our phones and thanks for all the help ive never had a moderator actually reply to my questions its good to have an active moderator on a forum props to you sir
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The ui alone is possible but not very sure how stable it'll be though. Probably the main reason nobody has done is: 1. They just don't care about sense. 2. There no demand for sense on the device or 3.nobody thought of it yet?
I try to help out where ever possible. Thanks.

The Archangel said:
The ui alone is possible but not very sure how stable it'll be though. Probably the main reason nobody has done is: 1. They just don't care about sense. 2. There no demand for sense on the device or 3.nobody thought of it yet?
I try to help out where ever possible. Thanks.
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The level of activity in development in this particular forum is relatively low although the devs have come up with some pretty genius things I will start this venture and if I am able to get a beta launcher application of sense ui. I will post in the development for testing and see how well it'll catch on I'm not much of a dev. But will give it a shot.

atadres said:
The level of activity in development in this particular forum is relatively low although the devs have come up with some pretty genius things I will start this venture and if I am able to get a beta launcher application of sense ui. I will post in the development for testing and see how well it'll catch on I'm not much of a dev. But will give it a shot.
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If I owned the gs3, I'd help out

Is One X development going anywhere?

Honest question. Football is gone and AOSP roms never got full driver support or a decent battery life. CM still only has nightlies and there will probably never be a stable CM on the One X. Do you think there is a future for One X development?

Aosp roms are fine there only issue is the camera.
Pretty sure all will be fine. Regardless of roms. Its still one of the most beasty phones arounds
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Zhypr said:
Honest question. Football is gone and AOSP roms never got full driver support or a decent battery life. CM still only has nightlies and there will probably never be a stable CM on the One X. Do you think there is a future for One X development?
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yes...and cause Football has gone it is not the end of the world..and to be honest kinda disrespectful to the other devs here on XDA.. Look at Mike and Revolution rom..Look at the Viper X rom.....Look at ICJ and that is already on 4.2.1 and going strong...There are roms out there...Just got to look a bit more and follow the threads....
So if one person has gone does not mean everything has fallen out of place...

AW: Is One X development going anywhere?
Strictly speaking, there is no android rom, wether stock or custom, that is at "final" stage
Thank people as long as you can...

Seriously! There is multiple 4.2 roms out including one released in the past few days which are nearly all working apart from a few minor issues. There is no jb kernel out yet but yet these roms are 90°/ working. If I was one of our hard working devs I'd be feeling kinda pissed.
4.2 is the current os
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Mr_S said:
Seriously! There is multiple 4.2 roms out including one released in the past few days which are nearly all working apart from a few minor issues. There is no jb kernel out yet but yet these roms are 90°/ working. If I was one of our hard working devs I'd be feeling kinda pissed.
4.2 is the current os
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it is and already on it and loving it...kernel source will just complete the puzzle and will have our complete roms then

Goku80 said:
yes...and cause Football has gone it is not the end of the world..and to be honest kinda disrespectful to the other devs here on XDA.. Look at Mike and Revolution rom..Look at the Viper X rom.....Look at ICJ and that is already on 4.2.1 and going strong...There are roms out there...Just got to look a bit more and follow the threads....
So if one person has gone does not mean everything has fallen out of place...
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I don't see why it's disrespectful, and I have donated to Mike in the past. I am just stating facts. All Sense roms have the same base. Bases that mostly came from Football. I'm just trying to start a chat to see if there are any new things coming up besides the small bug fixes.

Zhypr said:
Honest question. Football is gone and AOSP roms never got full driver support or a decent battery life. CM still only has nightlies and there will probably never be a stable CM on the One X. Do you think there is a future for One X development?
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We're waiting on 3.x kernel sources from HTC. That'll improve AOSP builds a lot.
Not to undermine Football, but at most all he did was speed up dev around 2 months as he leaked early HTC RUUs.
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Zhypr said:
I don't see why it's disrespectful, and I have donated to Mike in the past. I am just stating facts. All Sense roms have the same base. Bases that mostly came from Football. I'm just trying to start a chat to see if there are any new things coming up besides the small bug fixes.
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True..But at the same time he is not the only one who can get Sense roms.. So again Football is not the lone factor of the development scene for the One X..Many developers are not just him. And again it is not about donating to other devs that shows your support it is just acknowledging them and supporting them like everyone else here, which i am sure you do. And i agree with the post above mine..
You got Trip, Lord Clockan, Tbalden, Floatshow, so many more..the list is endless...Development will not stop..infact my friend it has just started..and with kernel source i would not be surprised to see more kernel developers having a go..

Zhypr said:
Honest question. Football is gone and AOSP roms never got full driver support or a decent battery life. CM still only has nightlies and there will probably never be a stable CM on the One X. Do you think there is a future for One X development?
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This isn't just a good point for the One X - it's true for all HTC handsets and sense based XDA devs.
Yes their are other sources of advanced roms but football leaked the vast majority first. So yes there will be leaks still I'm sure.. but they'll be less ahead of official releases probably and less diverse and prolific.
It is all about HTC cracking down on modding of their material and making what we like here less advantageous.
So I agree - it is a big deal for all XDA. Which XDA is being very quiet about at its official level too when it's without doubt a news worthy event.

Thread closed
This thread is pointless and helps nobody. All that is said here is true for every device out there and only leads to arguing.

HTC 10 ROMS based on AOSP, AOKP, CM, DU, etc.

I'm new to HTC (but certainly not new to the world of custom ROMs). Is there a likelihood we'll see ROMs not based on HTC's software? Has HTC been good in the past releasing the necessary software to the developers to port other ROMs to this device? This is the only major thing I feel is missing with this phone. I'm enjoying having my root apps back and whatnot but I do miss having those truly custom ROMs.

We absolutely will see a ton of ROMS. It's just going to take some time. The device is brand new. Give it some time. Based on timing, it's also possible some devs are going to just jump right into N adding a little delay.
Either way, this is a dev friendly flagship, so we will definitely get variety.

yes it would get a ton of custom roms...
but definitely not a pure aosp rom or rom built from scratch on aosp for HTC 10 or any of the HTC devices so far...
that only happens with very few devices and definitely our pure love Nexus!!!!!
i miss those aosp builds already and still holding onto Nexus because ofthat....

Me too, im looking forward for them. I just jumped from a nexus 5, and i'm very pleased with the 10 but i do miss the customization and the pure android feel. God bless the developers, and hopefully we gonna see a pure aosp rom soon
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To be honest it all depends. 1. If the development get the device or 2. Some one gets it and does the work. The second option is most likely as most development teams fight only nexus devices and leave the other devices to people that buy them.

friendly bump it's August...safe to say no hope for any other types of ROMs?
Just bought my wife a gold OnePlus3. It's like a Nexus...stupid simple OEM unlock and ROMs up to wahzoo....tempting to switch over. I still like the display and the audio on the HTC 10 for now. It's pretty snappy and I'm happy with Viper but I do miss all the other "tweaks."

The main resaon for missing other Rom's is the later Release of this Device. But i think u only need one ROM, its Viper that u use... i recive my Device this Month and i know that i dont miss this CM Based things.

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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try

With all the stuff going on surrounding Cyanogen I wouldn't be surprised if we stop seeing CM ROM development altogether.

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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....

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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?

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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?
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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.

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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.
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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall

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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.

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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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zelendel said:
You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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Yeah I'm basing all that off what I saw with the jewel which I just now jumped from. I'm a coder but not an Android dev by any stretch, and was rolling my own cm for the better part of the past year and dabbled in porting briefly.
I can totally see what you're saying though. At some point you get too many hands in the pot and it becomes more curse than blessing.

Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.

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Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.
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keep checking http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
there is this one there already http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-validusos-m-gzr-23-08-2016-t3446373
but still with a few bugs, give it a little more time and we should get something for daily driver

anything yet?

https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development