I'm new to HTC (but certainly not new to the world of custom ROMs). Is there a likelihood we'll see ROMs not based on HTC's software? Has HTC been good in the past releasing the necessary software to the developers to port other ROMs to this device? This is the only major thing I feel is missing with this phone. I'm enjoying having my root apps back and whatnot but I do miss having those truly custom ROMs.
We absolutely will see a ton of ROMS. It's just going to take some time. The device is brand new. Give it some time. Based on timing, it's also possible some devs are going to just jump right into N adding a little delay.
Either way, this is a dev friendly flagship, so we will definitely get variety.
yes it would get a ton of custom roms...
but definitely not a pure aosp rom or rom built from scratch on aosp for HTC 10 or any of the HTC devices so far...
that only happens with very few devices and definitely our pure love Nexus!!!!!
i miss those aosp builds already and still holding onto Nexus because ofthat....
Me too, im looking forward for them. I just jumped from a nexus 5, and i'm very pleased with the 10 but i do miss the customization and the pure android feel. God bless the developers, and hopefully we gonna see a pure aosp rom soon
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To be honest it all depends. 1. If the development get the device or 2. Some one gets it and does the work. The second option is most likely as most development teams fight only nexus devices and leave the other devices to people that buy them.
friendly bump it's August...safe to say no hope for any other types of ROMs?
Just bought my wife a gold OnePlus3. It's like a Nexus...stupid simple OEM unlock and ROMs up to wahzoo....tempting to switch over. I still like the display and the audio on the HTC 10 for now. It's pretty snappy and I'm happy with Viper but I do miss all the other "tweaks."
The main resaon for missing other Rom's is the later Release of this Device. But i think u only need one ROM, its Viper that u use... i recive my Device this Month and i know that i dont miss this CM Based things.
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friendly bump it's August...safe to say no hope for any other types of ROMs?
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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try
With all the stuff going on surrounding Cyanogen I wouldn't be surprised if we stop seeing CM ROM development altogether.
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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?
SacredDeviL666 said:
isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?
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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.
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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.
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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall
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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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zelendel said:
You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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Yeah I'm basing all that off what I saw with the jewel which I just now jumped from. I'm a coder but not an Android dev by any stretch, and was rolling my own cm for the better part of the past year and dabbled in porting briefly.
I can totally see what you're saying though. At some point you get too many hands in the pot and it becomes more curse than blessing.
Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.
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Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.
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keep checking http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
there is this one there already http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-validusos-m-gzr-23-08-2016-t3446373
but still with a few bugs, give it a little more time and we should get something for daily driver
anything yet?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
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I thought I'd clear some things up.
If I'm wrong please don't flame me, I'm only doing my best to subdue the general discontent in [sgh-t989]/[android development]...
Steve Kondik, also known as the creator of the godfather of all ROMS (cyanogenmod) personally owns one of our t989s (source:twitter). That, combined with the fact that this is a FLAGSHIP t-mo device probably means that our phone will be supported from the day that 9.0.0 drops.
Now, let me tell you what this means.
As you all know, for a device get non-kang CM9 our hardware must be fully supported. Camera, GPS, bluetooth, egl drivers all must work.
When a huge scale ROM like CM9 is cooked for so many devices I understand it goes something like this
[AOSP modified by Cyanogenmod(teamdouce)] +
[Android Kernel, also modified by Cyanogenmod]+
[Device tree]+
[A virgin sacrifice]=
CYANOGENMOD
Now the interesting bit, is that as soon as the device tree (Eg. Specific driver modifications for GPS, Camera, GPU) includes our device the device tree can be used to power OTHER AOSP ROMS like Miui
I know that gingerbread MIUI already makes use of the CM7 device tree, so in all likelihood they will use the CM9 device tree as well!!!
So in conclusion.
-Because CM9 has a high likelihood of dropping on our devices as soon as it comes out (most likely within the next 30 days)
-Because other AOSP-Based roms depend on the cyanogenmod device tree
-WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FLASHING OPTIONS SOON
-Probably including CM9 AND MIUI v4 <<<<--------THAT **** CRAY
Thanks for your time, hope it helped
Don't forget the thanks button feels good when you push it.
there are a lot of other devices with cm9 alpha and we are still not an officially supported device. Still unofficially being worked on
I for one is not counting on it, frankly...
No matter how beautifully you phrase things, WE GOT NOTHING YET.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
[A virgin sacrifice] =
SO FREK'IN EXCITED!!!!!
thanks for the info bro looking forward to it
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there are a lot of other devices with cm9 alpha and we are still not an officially supported device. Still unofficially being worked on
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the thing is, many of those are KANGed as in not officially supported by CM team
of the few that officially are supported is Nexus S i9020 and SGS i9000
even the "classic" SGS2 i9100 is not fully supported by CM yet, there's more bugs than... well it's not usable as a daily driver
that was just before the end of last year
they might have improved it a bit by now
even the Nexus S version of CM9 is still very buggy, that's why i have the stock official ICS4 instead on my Nexus S
Please please use words like
"death of an era." Instead of virgin sacrifice. I don't believe in that
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iwasblown said:
Please please use words like
"death of an era." Instead of virgin sacrifice. I don't believe in that
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I don't believe in idiots, can you make them all go away?
It takes time for this stuff guys. Anyone remember how long it took to jump from donut to eclair to get a stable rom? And look how few devices there were that actually ran android. This whole "if its not done in 2 weeks then its never happening" thing is a bit unfair. Let the devs dev and those who do not can wait for them quietly.
Why this statement?
From a glaxay better than yours.
tl;dr
I am basing my entire post on the fact that Steve Kondik has our device and should theoretically be working on it.
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Steve Kondik aka Mr. Cyanogen also works for Samsung. I am sure he gets ALL Samsung devices...
corwest said:
It takes time for this stuff guys. Anyone remember how long it took to jump from donut to eclair to get a stable rom? And look how few devices there were that actually ran android. This whole "if its not done in 2 weeks then its never happening" thing is a bit unfair. Let the devs dev and those who do not can wait for them quietly.
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It only takes 2 weeks to modify the stock rom or cm7/9.
Its the expectation that is built when people act like quantity is all that matters. There are basically only 2 people making roms; Samsung and CM team, everyone else just waits on these 2 so that they could tweak and modify one of those 2. The funniest part is that the use of the word "kanging" is thrown around among these other people.
housecat93 said:
I thought I'd clear some things up.
If I'm wrong please don't flame me, I'm only doing my best to subdue the general discontent in [sgh-t989]/[android development]...
Steve Kondik, also known as the creator of the godfather of all ROMS (cyanogenmod) personally owns one of our t989s (source:twitter). That, combined with the fact that this is a FLAGSHIP t-mo device probably means that our phone will be supported from the day that 9.0.0 drops.
Now, let me tell you what this means.
As you all know, for a device get non-kang CM9 our hardware must be fully supported. Camera, GPS, bluetooth, egl drivers all must work.
When a huge scale ROM like CM9 is cooked for so many devices I understand it goes something like this
[AOSP modified by Cyanogenmod(teamdouce)] +
[Android Kernel, also modified by Cyanogenmod]+
[Device tree]+
[A virgin sacrifice]=
CYANOGENMOD
Now the interesting bit, is that as soon as the device tree (Eg. Specific driver modifications for GPS, Camera, GPU) includes our device the device tree can be used to power OTHER AOSP ROMS like Miui
I know that gingerbread MIUI already makes use of the CM7 device tree, so in all likelihood they will use the CM9 device tree as well!!!
So in conclusion.
-Because CM9 has a high likelihood of dropping on our devices as soon as it comes out (most likely within the next 30 days)
-Because other AOSP-Based roms depend on the cyanogenmod device tree
-WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FLASHING OPTIONS SOON
-Probably including CM9 AND MIUI v4 <<<<--------THAT **** CRAY
Thanks for your time, hope it helped
Don't forget the thanks button feels good when you push it.
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I'd like to believe, I really would. And I hope this does come to fruition. However, even if it doesn't, the few ROMS we do have are pretty good, and our phone still outperforms almost anything else available right now, so I'll still be happy.
I do have one request, though. Can we figure out a way to make CM based ROMS happen without a virgin sacrifice? There are so many other things in life that require those, that they are starting to become scarce
The fact that lots of other phones have alphas and repositories available to even make kangs does not fare well for our device.
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guys chillax..slayher already has it booting..and that's news from december
good to know, thanks
Great phone, needs more dev time and hopefully that comes along with it when ics hits.
We got shafted early with the nexus release so close to the T989 and a dev that promised things but ran away.
New year brings new hope. Great respect for the devs that care about our phone.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
Let's hope the mods don't ban what little devs we have left...
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AznDud333 said:
guys chillax..slayher already has it booting..and that's news from december
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I don't follow, what do you mean by booting?
synergeticink said:
I don't follow, what do you mean by booting?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting
Quick background about my flashing habits before we begin. My first Android phone was the G2, and I really liked it but wanted something with more power. About a year later I "upgraded" to the Sensation and immediately I was taken aback by how awful Sense is/was. It became my mission to get back to the pure Android feel and so I found the (original) HNS ROMs. Those were great, and that phone lives on today as my wifes primary device. Now I have a Gnex, and my "problem" is that it comes out of the box the way it took me a year+ to get my Sensation so there isnt much I want to change. Roughly 2 weeks ago I decided to flash CM9 to see what all the hype is about, and I can honestly say I dont see what the big deal is. Sure, I can change the governor and modify the LED for specific notifications but as far as I can tell thats about all you can do. Clearly there are other 'under the hood' modifications but none of them are immediately evident to me at least, and so I am about to flash JB.
Am I missing something huge that CM9 does that JB doesnt not? Is my analysis totally off? Let me know if JB is a mistake and if I should have stuck with CM9 in the comments below!
webmaster said:
Quick background about my flashing habits before we begin. My first Android phone was the G2, and I really liked it but wanted something with more power. About a year later I "upgraded" to the Sensation and immediately I was taken aback by how awful Sense is/was. It became my mission to get back to the pure Android feel and so I found the (original) HNS ROMs. Those were great, and that phone lives on today as my wifes primary device. Now I have a Gnex, and my "problem" is that it comes out of the box the way it took me a year+ to get my Sensation so there isnt much I want to change. Roughly 2 weeks ago I decided to flash CM9 to see what all the hype is about, and I can honestly say I dont see what the big deal is. Sure, I can change the governor and modify the LED for specific notifications but as far as I can tell thats about all you can do. Clearly there are other 'under the hood' modifications but none of them are immediately evident to me at least, and so I am about to flash JB.
Am I missing something huge that CM9 does that JB doesnt not? Is my analysis totally off? Let me know if JB is a mistake and if I should have stuck with CM9 in the comments below!
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It doesn't work for you, then ok. Nobody is going to convince you to use a specific ROM. Its YOUR preference and YOUR phone, so do as you please or better yet, make your own ROM the way you want. If you read you would know people like CM9 for its stability.
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Only change governor and led??? Are we talking about the same CM9?
CM9 have way more customization options than that.
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It doesn't work for you, then ok. Nobody is going to convince you to use a specific ROM. Its YOUR preference and YOUR phone, so do as you please or better yet, make your own ROM the way you want. If you read you would know people like CM9 for its stability.
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Dont get me wrong, I am not knocking CM9 in any way. However, I can tell you I had zero issue with the stock ICS build my phone came either. I am hoping JB proves to be just as stable.
lol a troll thread it is. nobody are allowed to blame CM. best android community ever! and now AOKP is also emerging. how dare you insult the only dev community that give free support for your device. you dont like it go away and keep it yourself. no need to tell it here. use stock rom and go play outside.
EDIT : ok... but still, whats your point of this thread? you want to try JB then go ahead. and since your stock ICS is working well just stick with it and wait for JB OTA. CM are already working on JB, its gonna be CM10. you dont follow news regularly i suppose... CM9 was started from scratch with no features for your info. and its still in RC! what do you expect....
SocialReject said:
Only change governor and led??? Are we talking about the same CM9?
CM9 have way more customization options than that.
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Agreed, but how many of them are actually useful and not just "cool"? After reviewing every single feature of the ROM I couldnt find anything else I thought was worth while. If you have specific examples please let me know, as I spent hours making the decision to ditch CM9 and I hope I made the right choice.
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Agreed, but how many of them are actually useful and not just "cool"? After reviewing every single feature of the ROM I couldnt find anything else I thought was worth while. If you have specific examples please let me know, as I spent hours making the decision to ditch CM9 and I hope I made the right choice.
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Stock ICS > CM9?
You're delusional.
Jelly Bean would've been a better argument because of project butter.
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SocialReject said:
Stock ICS > CM9?
You're delusional.
Jelly Bean would've been a better argument because of project butter.
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Correct, I am not running JB and I am making the comparison between it and CM9. I personally found nothing unstable in stock ICS however.
lol mate you can always try any roms easily. this is nexus device. you dont have to think long to ditch a rom... and we have nandroid too..
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lol a troll thread it is. nobody are allowed to blame CM. best android community ever! and now AOKP is also emerging. how dare you insult the only dev community that give free support for your device. you dont like it go away and keep it yourself. no need to tell it here. use stock rom and go play outside.
EDIT : ok... but still, whats your point of this thread? you want to try JB then go ahead. and since your stock ICS is working well just stick with it and wait for JB OTA. CM are already working on JB, its gonna be CM10. you dont follow news regularly i suppose... CM9 was started from scratch with no features for your info. and its still in RC! what do you expect....
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Who is "insulting" CM team?? I have used their products for years and I think they do a great job. The purpose of this thread (if you bothered to read it) was to determine if I will be missing any functionality of CM9 by moving to JB. Assuming you are not currently using JB, then I respectfully ask you to move along and comment elsewhere. This thread is for people who have used both ROMs, and can comment about the differences. Please troll elsewhere LuffyPSP.
Not yet having a Nexus, I can see how CM9 wouldn't be such a big deal since you're coming from AOSP already. But for those of us running manufacturer-skinned-and-bloated devices, CM9 is really amazing. Lets us basically run Nexus software on better hardware.
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Not yet having a Nexus, I can see how CM9 wouldn't be such a big deal since you're coming from AOSP already. But for those of us running manufacturer-skinned-and-bloated devices, CM9 is really amazing. Lets us basically run Nexus software on better hardware.
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You nailed it right there, and that was the premise of my first post. Coming from a Sense "enhanced" device the AOSP experience was priceless and amazing. However once you are already running a pure Google experience (stock ICS ona Gnex) there is much less to improve upon. Hence my movement from CM9 to JB, and hence the thread you are now reading. Some people here need to relax and have a civil discussion (not you, some of the others)!
Was this thread really needed? Cm9 is a great rom remember what your parents should of told you if you have nothing good to say then do not say anything at all. So shhhh
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Was this thread really needed? Cm9 is a great rom remember what your parents should of told you if you have nothing good to say then do not say anything at all. So shhhh
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Wow, I guess we are back in kindergarten or something? I never once said a single negative thing about CM9. This thread is to discuss what features CM9 lacks that JB has, or the other way around. Do people even bother to read the thread before they chime in?
everybody is entitled to their opinion. And a ROM preference comes down to just that.
(without comparing features and what-not)
CM is living history in the world of Android development, specifically custom ROMs. I ran CM back on my original Droid when Koush first ported it (having to come up with ClockworkMod Recovery just to be able to do so, so that's one big thing that came about as an indirect result of CM). But Cyanogen was the first one to build a ROM from source, something that was a LOT harder back when he started. Many of Android's features were found in his ROMs first. While you may prefer this ROM or that, you should know that the CM team's impact on the android development community is only surpassed by Google itself (and it's by a narrow margin IMO). The CyanogenMod team is absolutely legendary and deserves more respect than that
as far as comparing CM9 to JB, it's apples to oranges. You won't see a CM JB ROM until source is released, that's how they work. And even still, it'll be a while before they get their ROM compiled, stable, and feature-packed
Came across this thread by accident... I think the users here was misled by the thread title... Anyway, i get what youre saying though about running aosp stock and cm9... You feel like youre not missing anything when running stock... Im not sure about stock ics but i think CM9 have alot of under the hood tweaks compare to stock... They may not be noticable to see but they are there hidden in codes ... May i say enhance in coding... Maybe wait for CM10, the wait will be worth it
Edit: apologize in advance if i misunderstood you
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Different folks different strokes. Glad you tried both and chose the one that works for you. Nothing wrong with stock.
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Different folks different strokes. Glad you tried both and chose the one that works for you. Nothing wrong with stock.
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The post that nailed it all.
I enjoy stock. Nothing wrong there. I enjoy CM9. Nothing wrong there. I don't enjoy AOKP. Nothing wrong there.
52brandon said:
You won't see a CM JB ROM until source is released, that's how they work. And even still, it'll be a while before they get their ROM compiled, stable, and feature-packed
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I remember when you would see CM before you would see the official ROM from Google... that was back during the G1 days... ah good times... Back then, he would release a basic rooted ROM then work out the extra features and bugs as he went along... but of course back then there was only one Android device, (and later only two or three) so it was easier.
The proliferation of different Android devices has really slowed down the CM development cycle. We are just now seeing a RC for CM9 and JB is already out in the wild.
CM has really influenced Android development as a whole... many features that come stock in Android today were first done by CM and then adopted into AOSP. I remember when Google Devs were asked at a press conference about specific features for a specific device... and they said "We won't do them, ask Cyanogen." Those guys have a lot of respect for Cyanogen, even way back when he worked on his own, and now he heads a huge team of Devs that rivals Google's in house team. (if not even larger)
There are a lot of little features that CM does that AOSP still doesn't and even others do not. Adjusting auto brightness settings are one I really like (especially on AMOLED screens) and also the color balance controls that help correct colors on AMOLED. There are other little tweaks and settings that you can do... and lots of code tweaks. Google must try to balance many aspects (performance/battery/multiple devices/differing hardware) with their code, but CM can focus on certain performance goals (in regards to all the mentioned aspects) and each version can be tweaked for its target device more than AOSP.
Basically CM is making AOSP the best it can be on the supported devices.
Marine6680 said:
I remember when you would see CM before you would see the official ROM from Google... that was back during the G1 days... ah good times... Back then, he would release a basic rooted ROM then work out the extra features and bugs as he went along... but of course back then there was only one Android device, (and later only two or three) so it was easier.
The proliferation of different Android devices has really slowed down the CM development cycle. We are just now seeing a RC for CM9 and JB is already out in the wild.
CM has really influenced Android development as a whole... many features that come stock in Android today were first done by CM and then adopted into AOSP. I remember when Google Devs were asked at a press conference about specific features for a specific device... and they said "We won't do them, ask Cyanogen." Those guys have a lot of respect for Cyanogen, even way back when he worked on his own, and now he heads a huge team of Devs that rivals Google's in house team. (if not even larger)
There are a lot of little features that CM does that AOSP still doesn't and even others do not. Adjusting auto brightness settings are one I really like (especially on AMOLED screens) and also the color balance controls that help correct colors on AMOLED. There are other little tweaks and settings that you can do... and lots of code tweaks. Google must try to balance many aspects (performance/battery/multiple devices/differing hardware) with their code, but CM can focus on certain performance goals (in regards to all the mentioned aspects) and each version can be tweaked for its target device more than AOSP.
Basically CM is making AOSP the best it can be on the supported devices.
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exactly. Hell, I think CM is the sole reason I even joined this forum when theming my D1 after Koush ported CM on another forum (I think alldroid or something like that initially). I remember the first experiments with JIT, and wow it was a ***** to get onto the D1 lol. I can't wait to see them play with JB when source drops. Cyanogen is your favorite developer's favorite developer
Hello everybody.
So I was wondering, when CyanogenMod 12 comes out, will they still support all of the devices they have been supporting? Or at least, in specific, our device? I can't imagine why'd they drop support.
Also, I hear in the new Android version, the Linux 3.10 kernel is being used. As opposed to the current 3.4 kernel we are using. Does anybody know about any significant changes between the two?
This is very exciting if/when we get this on our device I personally will just wait on a CM or AOSP version of Android as stock never really does it for me.
I don't know, but the more I think about it, the more excited I get (also the more apprehensive I get since I'll have to upgrade my kernel sources).
I know I probably shouldn't bring this up, but I also can't wait to blow my friend's new iOS 8 update out of the water with CM12/L (Not like CM11 doesn't already do that )
Snepsts said:
Hello everybody.
So I was wondering, when CyanogenMod 12 comes out, will they still support all of the devices they have been supporting? Or at least, in specific, our device? I can't imagine why'd they drop support.
Also, I hear in the new Android version, the Linux 3.10 kernel is being used. As opposed to the current 3.4 kernel we are using. Does anybody know about any significant changes between the two?
This is very exciting if/when we get this on our device I personally will just wait on a CM or AOSP version of Android as stock never really does it for me.
I don't know, but the more I think about it, the more excited I get (also the more apprehensive I get since I'll have to upgrade my kernel sources).
I know I probably shouldn't bring this up, but I also can't wait to blow my friend's new iOS 8 update out of the water with CM12/L (Not like CM11 doesn't already do that )
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I'm so excited about this. It will be sooooooo cool. I need to learn to develop ROMs and stuff, because if developer support dies for this phone I would want to keep the development going.
Well then start now rjm....... Better now then never
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I'm so excited about this. It will be sooooooo cool. I need to learn to develop ROMs and stuff, because if developer support dies for this phone I would want to keep the development going.
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You'll have me doing the little bit I can for this device for the next 8-9 months I'm stuck with this thing
Don't worry about developing ROMs, all you really need to know is how to compile and maintain. I plan to attempt at some unofficial builds of a ROM or two once I can deem my kernel as done. But don't worry, the LG OGP is definitely booming with activity right now, and will probably only get better with the following months to come.
We already have:
Gummy
PAC
Beanstalk
CM11
AOKP
AICP
Vanir
and a pretty good range of stock ROMs.
Soon (and I mean within a month or so) I hope to add Carbon and Paranoid Android to this list, but we will have to see. I do not know how to compile unofficially or much about it, but it doesn't look extremely difficult. So my hopes are high.
Plus, as this device drops in price, we may get some more people to keep development for this device relevant. Although I did not see our device in the local AT&T store last time I was there...
We have a beautiful phone with the processing power to last as a quality device for another year at least. LG makes some pretty nice stuff.
Unfortunately, we will be seeing more and more of our users leave as the months drag on as this phone gains age
We'll have to see who lasts the longest with this phone as their primary device... lol.
I suspect we will reach our peek in ROMs soon a few months after Android L is up and running. Just my guess though.
Shayne has a good point though, now is definitely the time to start. So better hit the tutorials!
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You'll have me doing the little bit I can for this device for the next 8-9 months I'm stuck with this thing
Don't worry about developing ROMs, all you really need to know is how to compile and maintain. I plan to attempt at some unofficial builds of a ROM or two once I can deem my kernel as done. But don't worry, the LG OGP is definitely booming with activity right now, and will probably only get better with the following months to come.
We already have:
Gummy
PAC
Beanstalk
CM11
AOKP
AICP
Vanir
and a pretty good range of stock ROMs.
Soon (and I mean within a month or so) I hope to add Carbon and Paranoid Android to this list, but we will have to see. I do not know how to compile unofficially or much about it, but it doesn't look extremely difficult. So my hopes are high.
Plus, as this device drops in price, we may get some more people to keep development for this device relevant. Although I did not see our device in the local AT&T store last time I was there...
We have a beautiful phone with the processing power to last as a quality device for another year at least. LG makes some pretty nice stuff.
Unfortunately, we will be seeing more and more of our users leave as the months drag on as this phone gains age
We'll have to see who lasts the longest with this phone as their primary device... lol.
I suspect we will reach our peek in ROMs soon a few months after Android L is up and running. Just my guess though.
Shayne has a good point though, now is definitely the time to start. So better hit the tutorials!
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If you could keep Beanstalk going for our device if development stops I would greatly appreciate it. I'll try and help out too when I learn how in case development does stop.
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If you could keep Beanstalk going for our device if development stops I would greatly appreciate it. I'll try and help out too when I learn how in case development does stop.
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I have a feeling that we don't have to worry about Beanstalk
No it won't stop..... Aicp has seemed to come to a hault .. Maybe you should jump on that rmj..... Read read read and then read .... Then compile yo stuff
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No it won't stop..... Aicp has seemed to come to a hault .. Maybe you should jump on that rmj..... Read read read and then read .... Then compile yo stuff
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It seems as though a lot of ROMs by that particular dev get abandoned eventually... but that's none of my business.
Yes AICP would be a great one to start on, first thing is first though, rjm, get yourself on a Linux VM or a Linux computer. Also, I hope you have some decent specs or it'll be hell trying to do it.
For example, I have an AMD FX-6350, so I have 6 cores in my system. I can allocate 4 to my VM
And you'll want some RAM, too. Like 8 GB so if you're using a VM you can allocate 4 as well.
For the distro I suggest using Linux Mint 64-bit (has to be 64-bit).
And I really hope your host OS is 64-bit, because otherwise you are probably incapable of compiling ROMs.
Best of luck!
P.S: I downloaded Carbon sources today. We'll see how that goes.
Oh also be sure you have PLENTY of free space, those sources love hogging space. I just cleaned out my old VM and set up a new one with 200 GB of space allocated. Thank God for Terabyte HDDs
Staying on topic, the L/5.0 SDK was released today. Approx. two weeks until the official Nexus release, and hopefully not too long until we get a taste of that afterwards.
KitKat was great (it felt like the smoothest Android experience ever when I flashed my first KK ROM) but I'm ready for Lollipop!
Material design looks interesting, although I gotta say... the circle triangle square virtual buttons aren't the best design choice imo. Maybe it's to make switching from an iPhone to an Android easier for the iUsers that find the current system to difficult to understand :laugh: They sure like their shapes of rounded edge squares and circles.
I'm not kidding, actually. A friend of mine steals my phone all the time and she cannot figure out PIE to save her life...
shayneflashindaily said:
No it won't stop..... Aicp has seemed to come to a hault .. Maybe you should jump on that rmj..... Read read read and then read .... Then compile yo stuff
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I don't think I want to compile AICP. Beanstalk is the only ROM IMO that really would be a loss if development stopped. The features of Beanstalk outnumber those of other ROMs
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I don't think I want to compile AICP. Beanstalk is the only ROM IMO that really would be a loss if development stopped. The features of Beanstalk outnumber those of other ROMs
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What about compiling it for the sake of learning how to compile...?
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What about compiling it for the sake of learning how to compile...?
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Maybe
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I don't think I want to compile AICP. Beanstalk is the only ROM IMO that really would be a loss if development stopped. The features of Beanstalk outnumber those of other ROMs
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Is Beanstalk as stable as cm11. Does it have a RC or something similar to PAC or M11?
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Is Beanstalk as stable as cm11. Does it have a RC or something similar to PAC or M11?
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I'm pretty sure Beanstalk only releases stable updates. From what I remember there aren't any nightlies, as it sometimes is months before a new update is released. That is another reason why I like Beanstalk better than other ROMs.
I will be happy to see official LG update for Android Lollipop 5.x Waiting for updates!
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I will be happy to see official LG update for Android Lollipop 5.x Waiting for updates!
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Not much news from lg on updates yet:
http://www.androidauthority.com/which-phones-android-lollipop-540232/
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I don't think I want to compile AICP. Beanstalk is the only ROM IMO that really would be a loss if development stopped. The features of Beanstalk outnumber those of other ROMs
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Probably a sort of noobish question, but anyway many roms are cm-based (including beanstalk), and even aokp is cm enabled. How dependent are these roms on cm, basically meaning could they sustain themselves without cm continuing support too?
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Not much news from lg on updates yet:
http://www.androidauthority.com/which-phones-android-lollipop-540232/
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Probably a sort of noobish question, but anyway many roms are cm-based (including beanstalk), and even aokp is cm enabled. How dependent are these roms on cm, basically meaning could they sustain themselves without cm continuing support too?
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I think CM official support is close to vital for these ROMs, mainly for the kernel, but also because they update the device thingy you use to build ROMs I do believe.
I am 90% sure we will receive updates from CM though. They sure know how to take care of their devices.
Any custom ROM will do, if we are talking about testing the new Android L. What's bothering me is the support for F240x devices. If CM, Beanstalk, VANIR/COMMOTIO or AICP (the one I am using for a long period of time), will release an update, will there be a KERNEL or ROM that will work for the F240x?
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Any custom ROM will do, if we are talking about testing the new Android L. What's bothering me is the support for F240x devices. If CM, Beanstalk, VANIR/COMMOTIO or AICP (the one I am using for a long period of time), will release an update, will there be a KERNEL or ROM that will work for the F240x?
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I really hope it is for your sake. Luckily the dev that makes F240 ROMs for you guys seems to know what he's doing, and I'm sure he'll keep working for you. As long as e980 has support he can use that kernel and use it for F240.
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I really hope it is for your sake. Luckily the dev that makes F240 ROMs for you guys seems to know what he's doing, and I'm sure he'll keep working for you. As long as e980 has support he can use that kernel and use it for F240.
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Hopefully.
Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
The device is aging, M9 is supposed to be revealed tomorrow. I'm not even sure if they will make the 5.1 Android for M8, and that is much needed, seeing how buggy Lollipop is. I seriously regret updating, I wish I had enough sense to stay wit KitKat, that worked great on my phone.
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Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
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ViperOneM8 has been updated three times in the last two weeks, with another update to come out in the next few days. Although two of them mostly addressed bug fixes, there were also new features added.
There has been a couple of lollipop nightly builds for this device. To be honest, I don't really notice a slowdown of development.
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Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
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No i do not share the feeling development slowed down, then again why should a developer spend so much time on these builds when sense 7 is around the corner. I think they pick the most valuable tweaks and parts of optimization.
My 2 cents
Mr Hofs said:
No i do not share the feeling development slowed down, then again why should a developer spend so much time on these builds when sense 7 is around the corner. I think they pick the most valuable tweaks and parts of optimization.
My 2 cents
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Do you think Sense 7 and Android 5.1 are actually coming to the M8?
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Do you think Sense 7 and Android 5.1 are actually coming to the M8?
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I don't think.....know for sure it will
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
gibawatts said:
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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Assuming you have the Verizon model....Once you use Sunshine to S-Off this phone the world is your oyster. Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
The combination of the above and that HTC makes what I think are the most gorgeous looking and well built phones...it's been a win win for me since my Thunderbolt lol
gibawatts said:
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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I've had a huge amount of devices, ( look at my sig and you'll see) and I've always come back to HTC, reason being is that they offer something a little different, but what's more they always have the most talented developers and the oldest serving, on XDA, Villain rom, etc, they always come up with the goods.
Not to mention that the root, unlocking of the bootloader and s-off (if you s-off) is reversible. Samsung is not, as it has an efuse chip as does the nexus too AFAIK.
There literally isn't anything you can't change on this device and with pretty much any other htc device, if you've had a htc before and gone on to something else, Sony or Sammy are good examples, you'll always be looking back over the fence, and when a new HTC comes out you'll just hate your current device, eg: I got rid of a six month old nexus 6P for this 10
Just unlock the bootloader, s-off if you must or want to, I believe that you can flash firmwares easier with it switched off, it's £20 so not great but it always works, install a custom recovery and flash away.
In terms of roms, Venom probably offers the most comprehensive list of tweaks and mods but LeeDroid is equally as good and as customizable, perhaps not with the length of venom tweaks but still great. Other roms I can guess are similar and when CM is completely fixed, well start seeing CM, AOSP and similar roms heading for us too.
In short, the answer to your question is a huge yes, I don't think I'll ever get another Samsung or Sony again, nothing wrong with them, they're just not for me and I'll miss HTC if I do.
Stripped, themed, ghostpeppered, and running like a bat out of hell....
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Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
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I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.
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I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.
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Long time Samsung user here. I got my US unlocked HTC 10 a few months ago. Best phone I ever had. Would not even consider an S7 in comparison.
The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid. I've tried both and prefer Viper. I think that would be your long-term solution. Get an unlocked 10 if you can afford to for maximum flexibility and choice of service providers. Unlock the bootloader, S-Off, and flash Viper. You can't go wrong in my opinion.
BTW, this is just a general discussion thread. Each Rom, Kernel, recovery, etc etc have their own dedicated threads where you'll find in-depth info.
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The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid.
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Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?
Thanks guys, still considering the 10. Now I am between the 10, 6P and Pixel XL. The painful fact is that I am currently with no phone. When I went to return the Axon, there were no 10s in stock at the store. The wait for the Pixel is just killing me! And to worsen things a bit, I just ran into a 128 GB Nexus 6P. I am a real sucker for OLED screens you, know? That is why I still didn't buy the 10.
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Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?
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Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.
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Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.
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I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)
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I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)
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AOSP is the Android Open Source Project. Yes, this is sometimes referred to as the "stock" Rom. Google provides the code base for the stock Rom. Various developers use this code base and then add their own code enhancements to produce an extended version of the stock Rom. Most custom Roms are Cyanogenmod-based. This is the company that has put their particular twist on the stock Rom. A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
Some people actually do prefer the more standard stock Rom for various reasons. It is simpler and typically more robust for dealing with the limited and specific tasks it was designed for. A good custom Rom can be just as robust as stock in every way, but also allows the user to do much more with the phone. It can be overclocked to run much faster, have better audio, a highly customizable user interface, and so on.
Viper, on the Sense-based side, and Resurrection Remix on the Cyanogenmod-based side are both better than the stock Rom in my view and people using those Roms get many more updates to their Roms via the developers than stock Rom users do. Some developers are still producing custom Roms for the Samsung SII -- a very old phone that Samsung dropped support for years ago.
Check this out for the HTC 10:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-21-02-viper10-1-0-0-tweaks-hub-t3379151
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A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
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Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?
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Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?
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Haha, you're really doing your research.
Yes, a sense based ROM is less likely to have bugs, however bugs are usually listed in the OP of every rom thread. A matured AOSP ROM won't have anything broken, but things may not work as well or as intended by HTC.
I think sense based is the way to go with this device, lots of good features HTC has developed that work well with the phone like the camera application and blinkfeed. Not to mention the polished look of the phone in general and the underrated theme store, it just works well together. You'd lose all of that with AOSP, not so much key features not working.
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Haha, you're really doing your research.
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Yes. It's my most annoying characteristic, according to my wife. Now I just have to find a developer who keeps things simple & stable, and who will support it until 2021.
Thanks for your replies. And I apologize to gibawatts for hijacking this thread a bit. I hope it was still useful for you, too.
Did you guys decide?
It's still $150 off, which assisted me in my decision to go from the Nexus 5 to the htc 10 (and a nice, even doubling for us OCD types).
My short answer: the htc 10 is ever-so-slightly less customisable than the Nexus 5; I've installed everything on it that I had on the Nexus (SuperSU, Xposed, Gravitybox, Xprivacy, AdAway, etc.). N-ify works on it.
My only "issue" so far is that GravityBox can't remove the Calculator and Extreme Power Saver quicktile htc put there..real fine points here. (I've only had the thing 2 days, so there may be more but no show-stoppers for a purist like me). Sense 8 is more like an alternative launcher than an overhaul like TouchWiz or old versions of Sense. Wife likes it (coming from her N5/NovaLauncher) and I'm giving it a whirl.
Manual firmware updates would be the only caveat AFAICT but that is still better than what I had with N5: OTAs broke and I just never installed them due to lack of interest...not a habit I want to carry with me, however. My point being that the Nexus 5 was actually more of a hassle to me to update than what this seems like it would be (though I've not tested it yet but there's much discussion on the procedure here).
Wife is attached to OLED (SIII had a wonderful display) but she likes the htc 10 display and did not like the N5 display.
I love the feedback you guys got/gave here. This here is a model XDA thread.
I would just like to add that HTC's Sense ROM is quite bare-boned compared to other non-Nexus OEMs. Compared to the Axon, it'll look almost like a Nexus device.
Everyone else pretty much covered the other important things. I'd like to point out that CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs for the HTC 10 are still a bit down the road and they still need quite a bit of work, so when you get it, expect to either stay with Sense, or Sense-based custom ROMs for at least the next few months. No complaints on that from my side. Even if you do eventually flash CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs, I'll wager that you'll end up downloading some of HTC's apps, like Camera, Gallery, and Music. They blow away vanilla Android apps and 3rd party alternatives.
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ZTE being mod-hostile turned me off to them; they have to establish a solid history of unlock/mod-friendliness for me to even look at them. (No, a press release stating that they would, in the future, answer questions from CyanogenMod folks to develop their ROM doesn't win me over in any way whatsoever.)
I surmised that the OnePlus 3 was too customised to be considered a Nexus spiritual successor (it was the phone I wanted to like/buy). Really, they only need to make good hardware and just use already-made AOSP and spend dev time getting drivers and such primo to have a winner (and with lower overhead) rather than trying to reinvent the wheel that nobody will want. It's like they're trying to sorta be Nexus and sorta be Sense/TouchWiz/et al but is there really a market for that? Is there really no market for Nexus? (I dunno...the Pixel thing has me befuddled and the no-more-Nexus thing has me ferhoodled.)
So, yeah, I'm liking the htc 10, which, being both funny and sad, I didn't even look at. My wife mentioned it and the $150 off, so we took a look and got'em. (I was still soured by my Evo 3D experience that led me to use then-Best Buy's 30-day return policy)
One more tid-bit I neglected to mention earlier: I'm glad I got the unlocked/dev version...no issue getting official RUUs all official-like, officially. I don't ever want to deal with "carrier" stuff.
P.S. Good to know about the camera, gallery, and music apps. Those are important to my wife (I'm happy with those being "functional" but also happy to just have the same software between us..easier to maintain and to answer her questions).