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Desire and Flash

I'm quite confused about the flash support on the Desire. I have the HTC and a Nokia N900.
My Nokia is capable of playing every kind if flash on the internet and does it quite well for instance BBC Iplayer.
Now from what I know the Desire has better hardware on all levels so why can the lesser device perform better with flash than the Desire?
Any ideas?

Prob cause linux has full flash support? I dunno...

It's because the N900 has full flash support (I think it is 9.4), whereas until the 10.1 update, the Desire only has Flash Lite, which is designed for low-powered phones, and so it can only play lots of flash badly until then.

ipodtouch1001 said:
It's because the N900 has full flash support (I think it is 9.4), whereas until the 10.1 update, the Desire only has Flash Lite, which is designed for low-powered phones, and so it can only play lots of flash badly until then.
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Thats not true if you go to google.com and type in what flash version do I have and hit the top link this say my HTC has 10.1.
On Nokia N900 I have,
Version LNX 9,0,246,0
Operating system Linus 2.6.28-omap1
Video capable yes
Audio capable yes
Local file i/o enabled yes
On HTC Desire I have,
Version FL 10,1,123,391
Operating system Linus 2.6.29-
Video capable yes
Audio capable yes
Local file i/o enabled no
So not to sure about it

Actually this Version FL 10,1,123,391 ... is not full flash.
It is the same as FlashLite 4.
The "real" 10.1 with hardware accelerator for Android has NOT been released yet.
Adobe promised 2nd half 2010.
So, wait till then

mklass said:
Thats not true if you go to google.com and type in what flash version do I have and hit the top link this say my HTC has 10.1.
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I remember reading somewhere that the '10.1' that you see when you do your query is not the same as the 'desktop Flash 10'; it is apparently only version 4.x. There was also a video on YouTube explaining this. Can't remember the links off the top of my head.
@Gogol: you just beat me to it. But yeah basically the same thing.

Many thanks for the info guys

gogol said:
Actually this Version FL 10,1,123,391 ... is not full flash.
It is the same as FlashLite 4.
The "real" 10.1 with hardware accelerator for Android has NOT been released yet.
Adobe promised 2nd half 2010.
So, wait till then
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Sorry, that's what I meant, didn't want to cause confusion

They should really be more clear regarding Flash on the Desire. I have seen many reviews where they say 'even though the Desire has flash support, it is not working very well'...
Then I always get of my but and email then, saying this is Flash LITE. Full flash expected in a few months.
But I understand why so many people are confused.. HTC off course just says 'flash', so more people will buy it. How bad people can be when there is money involved

XDA mark said:
...Then I always get of my but and email then, saying this is Flash LITE. Full flash expected in a few months.
But I understand why so many people are confused.. HTC off course just says 'flash', so more people will buy it. How bad people can be when there is money involved
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lol, but true
at next monday (12. april) adobe introduces the new creative suite. i've read somewhere, that the creative suite will be released on 17. of april! i think at this point, they will spread out the new flash player 10.1 release candidate (wich is allready available for desktops!).
for me it's not a difference, if the flash is full flash when you buy your device. it's more important to know, that they will release the update soon! let's wait, you will not regret it!!

I'm getting pretty good desktop flash here
Some really heavy flash 9 sites do load and show.
But I do think its not the 10.1 version with acceleration.
I hope it comes soon, because being a actionscript 3 developer myself, I can't wait to make full multiplatform solutions for my clients. Including mobile versions of the full software that can work on multiple mobile devices. But that needs full mobile 10.1 distribution!

It's the same **** we had when the Hero came out promising flash. Never got past flash lite. I have a feeling we are being strung along....

It's not flash lite, but certainly not 10.1.
The flash lite (which was/is very very limited) cannot show normal Flash 9 content (at least it can't on my Hero and on my WM mobiles).
The version that comes with the Desire can show full FlashPlayer 9 content. Perhaps will give it a try tomorrow to find out which version is the max.
But I can check out insanely complex FlashPlayer 9 (fully AS3 programmed using extended functionalities) sites. Runs like crap, but it works.
Edit: Ah, checked it via the Adobe site (this link).
Seems to be FlashLite 10(.1.123.391).
But it is able to show web application that are made in AS3 and/or with the Flex framework. that would require full flashplayer 9 support.
But very crappy... Even the simplest things seem to be heavy on the system. Stuff that should run flawlessly, no matter what speed the cpu should be (simple AS3 only programmed animation).

firedup said:
It's the same **** we had when the Hero came out promising flash. Never got past flash lite. I have a feeling we are being strung along....
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Once Adobe releases the official flash for Android we should be good. The only question remains, can it be installed seperately or do we have to wait for HTC to put it in an update? (I'm afraid it will be the second option... :/ )

Yes, that (waiting HTC update) would be a really bad news.
We could hope that "complete" root would be possible when that happen, for possibility to install our self (with help from XDA gurus).
Right now, Paul from MoDaCo.com is able to have root access on his T-Mobile Desire, but still no write access to the system partition.
RaptorRVL said:
Once Adobe releases the official flash for Android we should be good. The only question remains, can it be installed seperately or do we have to wait for HTC to put it in an update? (I'm afraid it will be the second option... :/ )
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Slow browsing because of the flash 10.1

There are reports, browsing at the last froyo versions which they have included flash 10.1, is very slow.
Can we cancel flash 10.1from the official browser?

nanoo-eg said:
There are reports, browsing at the last froyo versions which they have included flash 10.1, is very slow.
Can we cancel flash 10.1from the official browser?
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browser->menu->more->setting->Enable Plug-ins->Off or On demand

Yeah, it's awful to browse with this Flash enabled.
In the end JM7 works better for me instead of this JPC. I don't miss the Flash plug-in

Zoom is awful as well:-( I had to change to Dolphin browser

After I upgraded to JPC the phone would slow down almost to a halt regularly. Then I thought of turning off Flash and the phone as a whole is a lot more snappier. I think I went to sites with Flash content on them and Flash was just eating up memory (the browser would sometimes be using 50mb of RAM) so turning it off helped a lot. Plus, I'm coming from 2 years of using an iPhone so I don't miss Flash at all.
tl;dr: Turn of Flash, it makes your phone run better.

gunnarhafdal said:
After I upgraded to JPC the phone would slow down almost to a halt regularly. Then I thought of turning off Flash and the phone as a whole is a lot more snappier. I think I went to sites with Flash content on them and Flash was just eating up memory (the browser would sometimes be using 50mb of RAM) so turning it off helped a lot. Plus, I'm coming from 2 years of using an iPhone so I don't miss Flash at all.
tl;dr: Turn of Flash, it makes your phone run better.
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So Steve Jobs was right about flash.
This is the difference between iPhone os and android.
If the apple developers are sure, something will make problems at the Proper functioning of the device, they prefer to cancel it.
If I need a site with flash, I have the skyfire browser. I want the official one to be fast like before.

I set it to on demand as i do view some flash intesive sites but have the option to use it or not atleast.

nanoo-eg said:
So Steve Jobs was right about flash.
This is the difference between iPhone os and android.
If the apple developers are sure, something will make problems at the Proper functioning of the device, they prefer to cancel it.
If I need a site with flash, I have the skyfire browser. I want the official one to be fast like before.
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Well, the fact that flash videos can use a lot of memory and does not always work perfectly on a phone doesn't make steve jobs right.
I rather have the option to run it or disable it as I wish instead of not being able to run it at all...

sure the browser will go slow..but why not have flash on demand???
in that way i choose to view flash video when i want...
a far better option then ios's policy of NO YOU CANT HAVE THAT.
So do ur self a favour instead of thinking that jobs was right

One unmentioned difference between fb27 and other ICS builds

One of the main things I noticed on the other builds is that they wouldn't play flash videos from full websites well at all. It would play them in slow motion. It seems as though, however, that they fixed that issue with fb27..... sort of. We can now watch the flash videos, but no browser can open them in full screen without crashing.
If you guys can, please try a few out and lemme know your findings. This would be a good bug to inform people about so everyone know what to look out for in the next builds.
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Odd, but flash videos on full websites has worked for me since FB17 (I use Dolphin HD browser)...though you're right, the full screen bug has also been present since then -_-

hijewpositive said:
One of the main things I noticed on the other builds is that they wouldn't play flash videos from full websites well at all. It would play them in slow motion. It seems as though, however, that they fixed that issue with fb27..... sort of. We can now watch the flash videos, but no browser can open them in full screen without crashing.
If you guys can, please try a few out and lemme know your findings. This would be a good bug to inform people about so everyone know what to look out for in the next builds.
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I have a fix for this but it is for the Galaxy S port of ICS. It's because the ICS browser is not "fully" HTML5 enabled. It can only deal with mobile optimised versions of flash sites. You need to flash the full Adobe flash drivers and module. If you send me your current build.prop details I will make you a flashable zip that will enable all flash sites to play in both mobile AND desktop modes
also Samsung are a long way off with a fix gathering by the look of their latest framework.jar file. It still doesn't have all of the classes for HTML5

Why anybody would EVER use flash for anything ever is beyond me
I just redesigned a furchtbar site that used flash objects and other junk and via asp.net (unfortunately the server was IIS ) and thanks to CSS3 and HTML 5 flash is a thing of the past.
An HTML 5 video player with flash fallback is a good choice. For everything else PHP,JavaScript,html , flex, etc no need for flash.
Its 2012 the best way to design a site is with the latest technologies of PHP HTML 5 , etc. Fall backs for older browsers is not that much extra work.
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Damn, you guys are wayyy beyond me. I never thought of flash and html5 of being inter-related that way. I always assumed that flash and html5 were like Pepsi and Coke (similar but made by different companies to establish a competition and offer a variety).
And i never thought of flash as something of that past. How it html5 more superior than flash?
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I only hear iPhone fanboys talk like that because iPhones don't have flash. So nobody should use it.

hijewpositive said:
Damn, you guys are wayyy beyond me. I never thought of flash and html5 of being inter-related that way. I always assumed that flash and html5 were like Pepsi and Coke (similar but made by different companies to establish a competition and offer a variety).
And i never thought of flash as something of that past. How it html5 more superior than flash?
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Well, for one thing it's a standard supported directly by the browser, while Flash is a proprietary add-on made by Adobe. HTML5 has the potential to be faster and more secure, plus standard across any devices that support HTML5 standards. It IS considered the future and is definitely the direction everyone's shifting. Even Adobe's shifting focus to HTML5 tools over Flash ones.

Flash finally works in fb27 for me. I also notice that when the browser is done rendering it wontt show the whole webpagee until I start scrolling down.

One of the big differences is the modem, it's great. Where I currently am I've never gotten more than 1mb, tested this morning and got this!
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Any dev working on bringing back Adobe Flash compatibility to Kitkat?

Looking and searching for days on this topic. Could not find word on anybody working on it.
It is pretty heavy handed for Google to issue an update that reduces to functionality to their device. I use Adobe flash may be 5% of the time on my phone, but still, if I don't use it at all, I will just use an iPhone. No point in letting Google make money from my searches.

It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.

k3lcior said:
It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.

Yes, because Adobe is no longer updating it.

This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.

sparksd said:
This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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Right, but is anyone working on this at the rom level?

which APIs and why are they removed?

Galaid said:
which APIs and why are they removed?
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Website rendering is no longer done by AOSP(which renders flash). Now it's done by chromium (which doesn't render flash)

Lolento said:
Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?

Bogdacutu said:
As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.

Lolento said:
Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.

Lolento said:
Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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Last time I checked the 16-bit subsystem was no longer there in 64-bit Windows.
Lolento said:
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash.
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I don't understand why you keep blaming Google and not Apple, who ceased development on Flash for mobile devices 2 YEARS AGO

Lolento said:
Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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So your willing to go pick up a new over priced device which gives you next to no freedom on it for customization, for a old, out dated, inefficient system of flash? Even though that device also has no flash support ? Glad we settled that.
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Joppykid said:
Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.

Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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Couldn't agree more... If only iOS have a 5" phone, I'd have jump ship.
The customization advantage is getting lesser by the day...

Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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How is comparing pros and cons of two competing operating systems not a debate?
You asked "what makes android better than iOS, nothing IMO" I told you what I liked about Android over iOS. And you only mentioned iOS and Android in all of your posts, nothing about windows.
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Joppykid said:
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Not just starting to get phased out. As far as Google is concerned, you aren't supposed to keep using an app that hasn't been updated for 2 years (and if the only app using the framework was pretty much abandoned a long time ago why would they have to keep supporting it?)

Lolento said:
Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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How does that compare? Want me to list the hundreds of programs that no longer work in modern Windows incarnations? How about most Creative sound cards? Is that MS' fault? I wouldn't say that, but you probably would.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
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So Adobe is moving away from Flash for mobile and you are saying it's Google's fault for not making sure every outdated app works on their newest OS version?
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
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"objectively" - "imo". 'Nuff said.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one.
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And that's your right, but don't spin it as anything other than your own biased opinion. Also, I'm pretty sure those sports websites never worked on iOS devices, ever.

I think its a good move by Google, the faster website developers will realize flash is outdated the better for everyone, less users using flash content because its incompatible will force them to switch to html5, sooner or later.
Homever Adobe should stop supporting desktop version too, it would fasten up the process alot.

Again, I was not inviting a debate in my OP. But if it needs to continue, it can.
Firstly, on Windows platform, in every modern iteration, there is a compatibility mode that maintains (to a certain extent) backwards compatibility. This is how MS does business, they dont go out of nowhere to drop support for a key piece of software. My windows 7 setup is backward compatible to software back to Windows 95.
Google, on the other hand, drops third party support for anything that they have a market share strangle hold on. Mark my word on this. It started with exchange sync support for gmail, then google voice, it will not stop there.
I think everyone hopes that web devs will realize flash player is dead. This is wishful thinking. Just like I wish voice call and sms should be dead.
Fact is, there are still millions of websites that are still dependent on flash player. They are still essential to people who uses these websites. I really dont care if Google supports or not, my OP asked if anyone else is working on it.
I switched from iPhone to Android years ago because Steve Job's Apple is a bully in their vision of technology. I see google as going down the same path.
Google doesn't really make anything that blow people's mind. They make things that are cheap and are good enough. I can easily and happily switch. In fact, I already made up my mind to test out the Dell Venue 8 Pro with Win 8.1 since the holiday deals look pretty good.
Lastly, I think someone misunderstood the diff between 'objective' vs 'subjective'.

[Q] How can I use flash player on 4.4 kitkat KRT16S?

Like I said on the title, is there a way to use flash player on 4.4?
I know where to get the flash player.apk and how to install,
but chrome and firefox beta doesn't work.

No real need for flash on mobile is the site is properly configured
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z0phi3l said:
No real need for flash on mobile is the site is properly configured
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Your argument is pretty ignorant and really only applies to Google and NOT real users.
Let's say that 1% of all sites on the internet is "not configured properly" and still uses flash. Google may not make a lot of money from 1% of the internet and that's may be the reason they don't want to continue to support flash.
But that 1% of websites may still be essential for users that frequent those sites. I don't need flash often, but 100% of the websites that broadcast "live sport" uses flash; so it is essential for me to have working flash on my phone. I don't care if it is buggy or not.
Google has be very heavy handed in their new service policies this year. Killing exchange active sync for gmail made me completely switch to Outlook.com. And now THIS!!!
Unfortunately, I think Android has peaked. They are no different from iOS now and in some ways, Google apps on iOS may even be better.
So guess what, my next phone/tablet/phablet will probably not be Android based.

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No real need for flash on mobile is the site is properly configured
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I believe you miss-typed and meant to say....."if the site is properly configured"
That is all well and good in theory and such.....but in the real world it is still a long way off as millions of webpages still use flash only for audio and video streaming content.
At this point it seems that if you have 4.4 installed, using Puffin browser with server flash regurgitation is the only possible way to see or hear flash based content. And using Puffin for flash is a horrible experience especially for video with low resolution and choppy output. Some audio only streams I listen to on several sites have been fairly decent from my one day test.
So now after testing the Puffin browser to see what it's like if I allow the 4.4 update......I am glad I did not update as I use many flash based content pages/sites on a daily basis and most all of them do not revert to HTML5.
I am all for advancement into a unified video and audio content accessibility throughout webpages on various platforms....just wish it would happen more completely soon. Interesting times we are dealing with now as far as this technology goes.

Photon browswer also has server based flash and some sites that don't work on Puffin will work on Photon.
I completely agree that Android is useless without ability to stream flash one way or another.