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Can I get an idea of how "functional" Android is on this phone?

Currently I'm an HD2 user. I like the fact that Android has started to port onto the HD2. Still I know it's a long ways from being done or close to done and so far the only one I can think of being anywhere near done is the TP and TP2. Both have been out long enough to at least have the Android port worked on for a longer time. While I do read that it's good a lot of Android phone users suggest that the porting comes no where near close to how well the real Android phones work. Is this true? As far as apps and functionality and comparability goes how close is the Android port to the real thing? Would some of you rather have a real Android phone instead of this?

Phenomenon said:
Currently I'm an HD2 user. I like the fact that Android has started to port onto the HD2. Still I know it's a long ways from being done or close to done and so far the only one I can think of being anywhere near done is the TP and TP2. Both have been out long enough to at least have the Android port worked on for a longer time. While I do read that it's good a lot of Android phone users suggest that the porting comes no where near close to how well the real Android phones work. Is this true? As far as apps and functionality and comparability goes how close is the Android port to the real thing? Would some of you rather have a real Android phone instead of this?
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The closest to a native Android device would be the vogue. They pretty much have functionality everywhere and even flash to nand. In comparison we aren't too far behind as the things we are currently lacking is the camera.
Obviously there are bugs here and there but its still usable. Older builds are more stable and we've just recently jumped onto 2.2 Froyo so it will take some time to fix the bugs. We've actually accomplished something great and actually surpass a native android phone in benchmark scores even though our devices aren't hugely optimized. I've seen the HD2 video booting XDANDROID; i've even posted it in our 2.1 thread and from what i see its was running pretty quick during the SetupWizard. cough* cough* ...snapdragon ;p
Lastly yes i would never go back to WM or even get an iphone. I've bought a nexus one and have never looked back. From what i see once you go Android you don't go back and at Google IO they certainly showed us why.
I would love to start adding support for HD2 for XDANDROID. But i'm currently busy with my new role as Moderator

babijoee said:
The closest to a native Android device would be the vogue. They pretty much have functionality everywhere and even flash to nand. In comparison we aren't too far behind as the things we are currently lacking is the camera.
Obviously there are bugs here and there but its still usable. Older builds are more stable and we've just recently jumped onto 2.2 Froyo so it will take some time to fix the bugs. We've actually accomplished something great and actually surpass a native android phone in benchmark scores even though our devices aren't hugely optimized. I've seen the HD2 video booting XDANDROID; i've even posted it in our 2.1 thread and from what i see its was running pretty quick during the SetupWizard. cough* cough* ...snapdragon ;p
Lastly yes i would never go back to WM or even get an iphone. I've bought a nexus one and have never looked back. From what i see once you go Android you don't go back and at Google IO they certainly showed us why.
I would love to start adding support for HD2 for XDANDROID. But i'm currently busy with my new role as Moderator
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buts thats interesting. You said you got a Nexus One is that because you just felt like the android porting for this phone wasn't good enough?

Phenomenon said:
buts thats interesting. You said you got a Nexus One is that because you just felt like the android porting for this phone wasn't good enough?
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I got a nexus one because its cool and has great specs and also because of the android ports. You cant stay on the same phone forever and it was time for me to upgrade and at the time TP2 or topaz didn't interest me. So i decided to wait for N1

For me it is very close to replacing WM on my raph110. Really, battery life issue is holding me back. I can turn off sync and run as "just a phone" for a long time, but as soon as I start to use it as a smartphone, I better make sure I am near a power supply.
As a phone its better than winmo IMO, making and receiving calls and SMS is downright clunky in WM compared to these android builds.
All it would take for me to switch is the ability to run with sync on, and use some moderate smartphone-y features here and there for an entire day and I am set. At the moment I use android when I am plugged in, then reboot into WM when I know I am going to be away from power for a length of time.
Compared to other android phones I have played with, the raph seems downright speedy. Most time when I have played with android phones they seem laggy and slow, where my phone with these android builds seems much more responsive and mostly lag free. I have considered picking up an Aria if I come across a cheap one but only because of the battery thing and no other reason.
To give you more info I have a Fuze (raph110) and run NRG's WM 6.5.5 / SenseUI 2.5 ROMs.

The best part of this project is you run WinMo in tandem - Android is simply running off of the SD card, so there's virtually nothing that would break your phone or SD card permanently. All of the outright hardware failures I've seen in any forum related to this project has been a simple hardware failure - nothing with Android broke the device basically.
So try it out! You've got nothing to lose. Then you'll have a much better idea of how 'functional' it is

Well I have tried it on the HD2, but nothing is exactly functional to say the least. I mean, it runs, but not much else to say about it. I wonder when they port and finish being able to get the antennae working, gps, camera, wifi, bt, etc. what all that will mean as far as how functional it will be. Will programs be able to be installed and USE all the functional devices? Games supposedly need OpenGl to work and I bet that is another can of worms. I'm all for it working and everything, but I wonder if when the project ends will it be that much better or am I better off getting a Nexus One in the end.

Phenomenon said:
Well I have tried it on the HD2, but nothing is exactly functional to say the least. I mean, it runs, but not much else to say about it. I wonder when they port and finish being able to get the antennae working, gps, camera, wifi, bt, etc. what all that will mean as far as how functional it will be. Will programs be able to be installed and USE all the functional devices? Games supposedly need OpenGl to work and I bet that is another can of worms. I'm all for it working and everything, but I wonder if when the project ends will it be that much better or am I better off getting a Nexus One in the end.
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Well I don't know if it'll *ever* be truly perfect compared to native devices... but looking at a) what we have working on our TP's and b) what the vogue guys have working on their devices....
Basically it looks like it'll be darned close to having an actual Android device... which is amazing, to say in the least. I'm not sure how long the vogue's battery lasts, but other than that and camera, our devices are fairly complete on the hardware front. Vogue's even have a functional camera!
3d is also working, so OpenGL will not be a problem It's just a matter of getting the 3d drivers for the GPU!

arrrghhh said:
Well I don't know if it'll *ever* be truly perfect compared to native devices... but looking at a) what we have working on our TP's and b) what the vogue guys have working on their devices....
Basically it looks like it'll be darned close to having an actual Android device... which is amazing, to say in the least. I'm not sure how long the vogue's battery lasts, but other than that and camera, our devices are fairly complete on the hardware front. Vogue's even have a functional camera!
3d is also working, so OpenGL will not be a problem It's just a matter of getting the 3d drivers for the GPU!
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So what do you think it's worth holding onto the device and not just get an Android device just yet? How long would you all feel it'll be till Android is as usable on the HD2 as it is on the Vogue or any multi-boot device?
Also, still what about the programs? Like if you have a program like Shopsavvy and you have the camera working will it and should it work on the device like the Vogue? Or is it a no go because it's not a legit supported device?

Phenomenon said:
So what do you think it's worth holding onto the device and not just get an Android device just yet? How long would you all feel it'll be till Android is as usable on the HD2 as it is on the Vogue or any multi-boot device?
Also, still what about the programs? Like if you have a program like Shopsavvy and you have the camera working will it and should it work on the device like the Vogue? Or is it a no go because it's not a legit supported device?
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In the end its entirely up to you. The HD2 has started on its journey to port linux and there no timeline on when it will be done. Even our linux kernel is not complete but devs are working on it and it grows and grows.
So if you have the dough and time go and try out a android device and see what you think. If you like go buy it otherwise be patient like most other members and you'll see a functional port guarenteed.
Apps will work if you have the function available in most cases.

babijoee said:
In the end its entirely up to you. The HD2 has started on its journey to port linux and there no timeline on when it will be done. Even our linux kernel is not complete but devs are working on it and it grows and grows.
So if you have the dough and time go and try out a android device and see what you think. If you like go buy it otherwise be patient like most other members and you'll see a functional port guarenteed.
Apps will work if you have the function available in most cases.
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Exactly. I used XDAndroid on my Fuze to decide that Android was in fact for me, and I bought a Motorola Milestone. We have a mostly working system here, the battery life sucks and theres no camera (and there was no bluetooth when I upgraded, nor was there 3D obviously, and Cellular had problems staying connected) but I was able to get a feel for the Android system, the market, what was out there and decided to make a go of it. I've been quite happy. I keep coming back to see Android on my Fuze because I have a feeling that it'll make a good spare device, or a giveaway device, or whatever. Even if it is just an MP3 player with a prepaid SIM in it that I can leave under the seat of my car - I'll be getting more mileage on this device running Android than I would on Windows Mobile.

dieKatze88 said:
....I'll be getting more mileage on this device running Android than I would on Windows Mobile.....
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Agreed, Im just disolved now with WM, had a look at XDAndroid and am impressed big time.
Once this is an every-day OS to run (in terms of battery life and stability) I will have the device I wanted to start with....forward facing cameras for video calling (when its available), hardware keyboard and a nice form factor.
XDAndroid runs seemigly far nicer than the native OS the phone was designed for!!! Says it all!!

Phenomenon said:
Like if you have a program like Shopsavvy and you have the camera working will it and should it work on the device like the Vogue? Or is it a no go because it's not a legit supported device?
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Shopsavvy will not work properly on the Vogue because the camera on the Vogue has a fixed focus, and the barcode recognition algorithm in Barcode Scanner (ZXing) and Shopsavvy is not advanced enough to recognize blurred barcodes like RedLaser can on the iPhone 2G/3G. Once the camera works on the RAPH, Shopsavvy should do well on it since as far as I know the camera has autofocus.
Camera apps in general are hit and miss because Android has a rather poor camera API which exposes a lot of the underlying camera implementation (color space, framerate, encoding) to the app trying to use the camera - this is why whenever a new official Android phone comes out there are generally new versions of camera apps on the market (the Samsung Moment was the worst culprit of this - almost no camera applications worked out-of-the-box on it).
But as a rule of thumb - yes - the phone is running Android and the fine people working on development try to implement everything to spec, so for all intents it appears to an application the same as any "official" phone does. As a matter of fact, the Android porting community is doing *exactly* what a phone manufacturer does internally when releasing a new Android phone - just more publicly and with less documentation and more reverse-engineering.

I love xdandroid,i don't use camera so only the market bug in the latest froyo bulid is a bad thing for me,but i think that babijoee and all the xdandroid team can fix it.
the only thing that i wish is a flashable android so no more wm!

HELICOPTER88 said:
I love xdandroid,i don't use camera so only the market bug in the latest froyo bulid is a bad thing for me,but i think that babijoee and all the xdandroid team can fix it.
the only thing that i wish is a flashable android so no more wm!
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What Market bug? Did you try deleting your data.img?

i think all the new problems may be due to old data.img
Since the framework and structure of the updates are always updated/changing we do require people to have a new data.img
If problems persist after making a new data.img then we will have to look into it

The camera and the extremely innaccurate battery meter are dealbreakers for me I really hope you'll manage to fix it soon, btw why not make a thread called "What we're working on", would be pretty interesting

arrrghhh said:
What Market bug? Did you try deleting your data.img?
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Yeah i deleted it,2 times.
the problem is when i try to log in with a google account or when i try to create one,i put username and password,i press next and after 5 minutes it says impossible to connect to google's server
i connect through wi-fi and connection works...maybe i should try to log in when no sim inserted,because doing a fresh install of android without sim solved this problem when i was using donut 1.6

HELICOPTER88 said:
Yeah i deleted it,2 times.
the problem is when i try to log in with a google account or when i try to create one,i put username and password,i press next and after 5 minutes it says impossible to connect to google's server
i connect through wi-fi and connection works...maybe i should try to log in when no sim inserted,because doing a fresh install of android without sim solved this problem when i was using donut 1.6
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Hrm. I've never had a problem "signing into" the Market... I guess I didn't even realize it had to sign in, but it does make sense.
Try the trick w/o the SIM card. I don't have a SIM, and I've never been able to reproduce the error.

Mr.Sir said:
The camera and the extremely innaccurate battery meter are dealbreakers for me I really hope you'll manage to fix it soon, btw why not make a thread called "What we're working on", would be pretty interesting
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"Whatever we feel like today" doesn't seem very interesting.

Where is the home media/itues steaming feature?

I saw a bunch of news articles about it, but dont see any way to enable it in android 2.2

Wanna link us to these articles? And do some fact-checking to make sure you're not confused in regards to the teased features for Gingerbread that were shown at Google I/O?

drmacinyasha said:
Wanna link us to these articles? And do some fact-checking to make sure you're not confused in regards to the teased features for Gingerbread that were shown at Google I/O?
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http://www.slashgear.com/android-2-2-froyo-gets-remote-app-installs-itunes-streaming-2086419/
That was the first one I remember reading. Am I reading it wrong?

From what I understood, those demonstrations were of tech that's to be in Gingerbread, or just flat-out hasn't been released yet. Don't hold your breath waiting...

I still think it's crap how google got everyone so excited with all the cloud features for froyo(like OTA app sideloading) then didn't really deploy them...

They didnt mention gingerbread. And they demonstraited it on a n1 which doesnt have the hardware for gingerbread. Im pissed this feature hasnt been added.
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I think there is a lot of this in the framework for FroYo, but what they showed were more demo level, and they are going to let developers implement these things.
Kinda like the HDMI port on the EVO, the API is there, developers just need to use it.

Buy J. River Media Center and install their free Gizmo Android app. Music streaming and more to your phone.

to the OP or others that said they are pissed... you may be pissed now but i assure you after reading a few things, the future is looking bright!!!!! as f*ck!!!!
I blv google has come to the realization that it cannot fully compete with iphone smart(coughdumbcough)phones as well as microsoft smartphones for the simple fact their proprietary music software pwns all just about in respects to itunes and zune... however with google's purchase of simplifymedia and the already implemented cloud servers... its no doubt in my mind in short time we will rule. Hell Apple aint dumb, Itunes will see cloud computing too.
In the meantime... you all should look into either mspot (music only) or zumodrive (media video included). Its basically an alternative (IMHO) until google gets its service up and running. It syncs the music on your computer to the cloud and lets you access it from within your android app. Damn near instant with cloud computing
did i mention how much i love clouds?

orb
'nuff said

gmelchert said:
They didnt mention gingerbread. And they demonstraited it on a n1 which doesnt have the hardware for gingerbread. Im pissed this feature hasnt been added.
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What makes you think it doesn't have the hardware? 1Ghz CPU, 512MB of RAM are the only requirements for 3.0 that we've heard of, and the N1, EVO, DX, Incredible, and Desire all match those requirements.

I think screen size is also a requirement for gingerbread. At least 4" I believe.
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david279 said:
I think screen size is also a requirement for gingerbread. At least 4" I believe.
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3.5", not 4". N1 has 3.7".

I think most of those features are in Froyo, but there are still a lot of frameworks outside of the OS that need to be implemented. The Android Market is still being redesigned to work from the web. Froyo has the ability, as you can see with Chrome to Phone, but the web side of things isn't ready for the public yet. As for media, I think Froyo may have it, but Google is probably waiting for their music service to be ready (which is on its own timeline) before they launch the media features. Remember, they want to sell music through the Market in the near future, and the media features mostly have to do with that. It probably won't come until Gingerbread is released, but most likely 2.2+ can use these features when the "other half" is ready.
Patience is a virtue.

Wishlist / can this be fixed without days/weeks of research or will I have to switch?

Okay, so I made the jump from iPhone 4S to SGS3 T-999 at the beginning of September this year and my experience has been less than fun. Disregarding all the hardware issues, as far as software is concerned, I've been spending hours every day trying to find software that works reliably. Here's my rant of the biggest problems right now, if you have any ideas, I'd really appreciate hearing back! I was looking forward to digging into mods/hacks, etc on Android later down the road but with these basic functions that I depend on daily in my phone not there yet, I'm starting to wonder if I need to just switch back to iOS until Android is more developed. I actually used be on Android in the days of the S2 for about 2 months, but had to ultimately switch back to iOS because I simply didn't always have the time to download 20-30 clock apps to find one that works decently or test out mods and hacks for basic functions. Sure, it's fun to test try out mods and such but when your phone feels like it's broken, that's no good.
>Stock camera app doesn't allow taking pictures/video/flash at a certain level of battery. wtf, why samsung?! I have yet to find a camera app that does video/photo as well as the stock camera app.
>Image compression & resize tool for when e-mailing photos/images quickly...like in iOS would be great, or even something that actually works would be better. Note to Samsung--most people don't want or need to get an e-mail of your 8mp picture taken on your cell phone.
>Audiobook player that saves my spot
>Least buggy PDF reader with search, annotations and highlighting
>Tethering that works (no luck so far with fox fi and a few others, I'm using T-mobile MyMonthly 4G)
>File transfer over USB on my Mac (Latest version of lion, macbook pro 2.4ghz c2d pre-unibody)
>Find my iPhone equivalent with a web interface as opposed to just text message operation
>iOS clock app equivalent. I have downloaded probably more than 2 dozen timer/clock/alarm apps and none of them do it all while staying on in the background and not randomly closing. Also would be great if I didn't lose my timer if the app or phone has to be restarted/killed.
>Make a complete backup on my Mac instead of backing it up to my SD card and then having to copy that to my computer.
This list used be a lot longer...but with much sweat I have found some solutions or learned to cope, but not for everything that is vital^...

salils said:
Okay, so I made the jump from iPhone 4S to SGS3 T-999 at the beginning of September this year and my experience has been less than fun. Disregarding all the hardware issues, as far as software is concerned, I've been spending hours every day trying to find software that works reliably. Here's my rant of the biggest problems right now, if you have any ideas, I'd really appreciate hearing back! I was looking forward to digging into mods/hacks, etc on Android later down the road but with these basic functions that I depend on daily in my phone not there yet, I'm starting to wonder if I need to just switch back to iOS until Android is more developed. I actually used be on Android in the days of the S2 for about 2 months, but had to ultimately switch back to iOS because I simply didn't always have the time to download 20-30 clock apps to find one that works decently or test out mods and hacks for basic functions. Sure, it's fun to test try out mods and such but when your phone feels like it's broken, that's no good.
>Stock camera app doesn't allow taking pictures/video/flash at a certain level of battery. wtf, why samsung?! I have yet to find a camera app that does video/photo as well as the stock camera app.
>Image compression & resize tool for when e-mailing photos/images quickly...like in iOS would be great, or even something that actually works would be better. Note to Samsung--most people don't want or need to get an e-mail of your 8mp picture taken on your cell phone.
>Audiobook player that saves my spot
>Least buggy PDF reader with search, annotations and highlighting
>Tethering that works (no luck so far with fox fi and a few others, I'm using T-mobile MyMonthly 4G)
>File transfer over USB on my Mac (Latest version of lion, macbook pro 2.4ghz c2d pre-unibody)
>Find my iPhone equivalent with a web interface as opposed to just text message operation
>iOS clock app equivalent. I have downloaded probably more than 2 dozen timer/clock/alarm apps and none of them do it all while staying on in the background and not randomly closing. Also would be great if I didn't lose my timer if the app or phone has to be restarted/killed.
>Make a complete backup on my Mac instead of backing it up to my SD card and then having to copy that to my computer.
This list used be a lot longer...but with much sweat I have found some solutions or learned to cope, but not for everything that is vital^...
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I don't understand what "basic" functions you are having issues with? Other than the camera not working after a certain %, it's not like a PDF reader with annotations and highlighting is a "basic" function.. nor are rely any of the other things on your list except maybe image compression.
That being said, I don't know a camera solution for Touchwiz but on AOSP there are no restrictions to when you can take a picture with regards to battery.
Repligo Reader is a great PDF reader. I don't know about search but I can highlight and annotate.
You need to download the app Android File Transfer to transfer via USB on your Mac.
If you're in Monthly4G, tethering is not included. This is an issue with your plan. If you want to tether, root your phone.
There are plenty of "find my android" apps out there, that work exceptionally well. I use Avast!.
AOSP also has a timer and stopwatch built in, so maybe you should try that.
You cannot backup your phone directly to your computer.
I am more than happy to help you, as I am sure most people here are, but I think you need to lower your expectations on "basic" features..
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You need to download the app Android File Transfer to transfer via USB on your Mac.
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Don't be so sure. I spent an hour trying to get that to work when I first got my phone, gave up and used Airdroid but for the big stuff I have to use my PC.

psykhotic said:
Don't be so sure. I spent an hour trying to get that to work when I first got my phone, gave up and used Airdroid but for the big stuff I have to use my PC.
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Well he didn't mention anything about it, so I figured he might not know about it.
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Don't be so sure. I spent an hour trying to get that to work when I first got my phone, gave up and used Airdroid but for the big stuff I have to use my PC.
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Yeah, I spent several hours trying to trouble shoot this and just decided it would be easier to use vmware and try to dig up a copy of windows xp i had lying around...ugh..
joshnichols189: Thank you for your help!
By basic, I guess I wasn't necessarily referring to all stock functions...but on the iPhone I found many apps on the App store that accomplished this task competently. Primarily I used Good reader, but there were others so it seemed like something that wouldn't be difficult to come across. I have found a few apps that provide such a function but end up missing others or are too buggy to use. I will have to check which apps specifically I tried with no success if that will help...will look into Repligo Reader, thanks!
As for tethering: I was able to get it to work on an S2 (i9100) running gingerbread using my MyMonthly4G plan using the native tethering feature. I've rooted my phone sucessfully but haven't gotten around looking into custom roms and such..still using stock (but rooted). If you or anyone here knows any especially good tethering solutions for rooted t-999 users running stock it'd be super helpful to hear.
I will have to do research on AOSP.

salils said:
Yeah, I spent several hours trying to trouble shoot this and just decided it would be easier to use vmware and try to dig up a copy of windows xp i had lying around...ugh..
joshnichols189: Thank you for your help!
By basic, I guess I wasn't necessarily referring to all stock functions...but on the iPhone I found many apps on the App store that accomplished this task competently. Primarily I used Good reader, but there were others so it seemed like something that wouldn't be difficult to come across. I have found a few apps that provide such a function but end up missing others or are too buggy to use. I will have to check which apps specifically I tried with no success if that will help...will look into Repligo Reader, thanks!
As for tethering: I was able to get it to work on an S2 (i9100) running gingerbread using my MyMonthly4G plan using the native tethering feature. I've rooted my phone sucessfully but haven't gotten around looking into custom roms and such..still using stock (but rooted). If you or anyone here knows any especially good tethering solutions for rooted t-999 users running stock it'd be super helpful to hear.
I will have to do research on AOSP.
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Be sure to try Repligo, I believe they have a free/lite version! I wasn't able to tether when I was on Monthly4G so maybe it is different now. If you are rooted you should look at the WiFi Tether for Root app. I believe you can find it easily with a Google search. Also be sure to look into AOSP, you might like it more but if not you can always revert!
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Just download wifi tether from play store and that will definitely tether anything you want.
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The camera would need to be modded. Someone will likely do this at some point.
Theres a full office suite on sale for .25 that may take care of your pdfs and then some. OfficeSuite pro.
For file transfers, you can use SGS3 Easy UMS. It only works for external sdcard though. Many people have been trying to do the same for internal but no luck yet as far as I know. Search for it on xda.
Also on file transfering, have you looked at a wireless transfer solution? I use SwiFTP and love it. Gives me access to the entire file system on my phone, including /system.
There are quite a few find my phone types like youre looking for that get good reviews. Check cerebrus. Haven't used it on this phone but liked it in the past.
My favorite alarm clock app is Alarm Clock Plus. Been using it for a few years now. No stopwatch or timer but hoping the dev adds em in the future.
For the backup, are you talking about a nandroid type backup or apps and data? Nandroid, no backing up straight to computer. Im pretty sure there are apps thatll backup your data and apps like that though. Never used any though. (And theres always adb!)
Tip: when people see a thread with this many questions and youre not experiencing a critical problem, it can look a bit overwhelming and seems like you may be demanding answers without really looking for them yourself. (Not saying thats your case and not trying to be an ass). Additionally at first read/glance it looks like it could be a lot of work to help you for what many might consider to be simple problems. In the future dont wait so long and ask everything at once. Ask your questions as they come and you cant find the answers yourself.
I saw your thread when it was first posted but didnt reply because I knew it would take much longer than I could spend at that moment.
One last thing, if people perceive you to be threatening to leave for the iphone if you dont get what you want, you are much less likely to find help now or in the future.
Like I said, im not trying to be an ass or belittle or anything like that. Just telling you what some (many?) people may think when they just glance over your thread.
Sorry for the little rant, but I am trying to help you.
Btw, if you're having such bad hw issues you may have a defective device. Majority of people have no problems.
Good luck!
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Gallery Bug

I notice that whenever I download a picture from Chrome, and then go to the Gallery, the picture will not show up. However, if I go into the file manager and move the picture to a different directory, it seems to move. It seems to me as if the Gallery is not updating it's database of pictures after Chrome downloads. Is this a normal issue on the GS4 or is this something particular only with my phone?
Keep in mind im un-rooted and on stock firmware

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I notice that whenever I download a picture from Chrome, and then go to the Gallery, the picture will not show up. However, if I go into the file manager and move the picture to a different directory, it seems to move. It seems to me as if the Gallery is not updating it's database of pictures after Chrome downloads. Is this a normal issue on the GS4 or is this something particular only with my phone?
Keep in mind im un-rooted and on stock firmware
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Does noone know what's wrong?

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This happens to me too. I noticed that if you just leave it alone and come back like an hour later the picture will suddenly be there. But it is extremely annoying and I have no clue on how to fix it.
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It's because of the way media scanner is set to work on Samsung devices. If you force it to rerun with an app it will show up
Wayne Tech Nexus

Makes sense. Very stupid to exclude the browser though lol
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Mateoftw said:
Makes sense. Very stupid to exclude the browser though lol
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It is system wide with Samsung devices. They cache everything until the next time media scanner runs.

Anything else you do though will refresh the media scanner. The only thing that doesn't refresh is the browser
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zelendel said:
It is system wide with Samsung devices. They cache everything until the next time media scanner runs.
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hey buddy how you been!? You got the s4 right? How you liking it??
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elesbb said:
hey buddy how you been!? You got the s4 right? How you liking it??
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Not been too bad man. How have you been? No I gave up on OEM based devices. To long before updates are issued if they ever get it. I only run Nexus devices now.

zelendel said:
Not been too bad man. How have you been? No I gave up on OEM based devices. To long before updates are issued if they ever get it. I only run Nexus devices now.
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Meh, i can tolerate it. And ive been alright. Too busy with work though. I hate working in a factory -.- cant wait for school to start in the fall. Oh and the nexus devices just dont seem to be all that great for the price. I hope Tmo does come out with their update soon so i can finally update my ROM lol. Hoping they release 4.3 right away instead of 4.2 updates. That way we dont have to wait forever like you said.

elesbb said:
Meh, i can tolerate it. And ive been alright. Too busy with work though. I hate working in a factory -.- cant wait for school to start in the fall. Oh and the nexus devices just dont seem to be all that great for the price. I hope Tmo does come out with their update soon so i can finally update my ROM lol. Hoping they release 4.3 right away instead of 4.2 updates. That way we dont have to wait forever like you said.
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Yeah mine was mostly dealing with the over lays like TW or Sense. I perfer AOSP roms and the nexus 4 having full AOSP support backed by good hardware was a big draw. Mainly as I always pay retail for my devices 350 was a bargain.

zelendel said:
Yeah mine was mostly dealing with the over lays like TW or Sense. I perfer AOSP roms and the nexus 4 having full AOSP support backed by good hardware was a big draw. Mainly as I always pay retail for my devices 350 was a bargain.
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I like all the cool features of the S4, but TouchWiz is history on my phone working on deleting some useless kernel services and other bloat crap that arent just apks in system directory. I love my phone. Just wish the random rebooting would go away -.- I guess thats where having full source and kernel code comes into handy
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elesbb said:
I like all the cool features of the S4, but TouchWiz is history on my phone working on deleting some useless kernel services and other bloat crap that arent just apks in system directory. I love my phone. Just wish the random rebooting would go away -.- I guess thats where having full source and kernel code comes into handy
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Yup pretty much. So what do you think of Samsungs push to Tizen? Think it will kill the OEM to switch to a fully closed sourced OS?

zelendel said:
Yup pretty much. So what do you think of Samsungs push to Tizen? Think it will kill the OEM to switch to a fully closed sourced OS?
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Hm, never heard of Tizen. However, "fully closed source OS" means its not Android. And i wont be using it lol. That is 99% of the reason i love android. Same reason i loved windows Mobile 6.5.x. I made custom ROMs for it, was able to change colors/etc via Registry edits, was easily able to write my own apps with C# (as i can do with android in Java) so a closed source OS will totally kill them. Granted, Samsung is a great company. They just better NOT get rid of Android all together. I have been diving into some of the securities with Android. And samsung is doing a great job keeping their stuff closed source by simply writing .c code and putting the compiled version into System/bin and have the system run its special code. So they are still staying closed source to a point
In their defense, i don't blame them. If i create something that is out of this world and beyond all others, i surely would want it to be copyrighted and unable to be repliated to other devices (IE Smart View, and the other things they made) I just fear everything will be "controlled" the US Government is already trying to overtake the internet and crap like that. Oh can't forget about the Verizon call info being shared with the Government. Bleh really strayed off there xD

elesbb said:
Hm, never heard of Tizen. However, "fully closed source OS" means its not Android. And i wont be using it lol. That is 99% of the reason i love android. Same reason i loved windows Mobile 6.5.x. I made custom ROMs for it, was able to change colors/etc via Registry edits, was easily able to write my own apps with C# (as i can do with android in Java) so a closed source OS will totally kill them. Granted, Samsung is a great company. They just better NOT get rid of Android all together. I have been diving into some of the securities with Android. And samsung is doing a great job keeping their stuff closed source by simply writing .c code and putting the compiled version into System/bin and have the system run its special code. So they are still staying closed source to a point
In their defense, i don't blame them. If i create something that is out of this world and beyond all others, i surely would want it to be copyrighted and unable to be repliated to other devices (IE Smart View, and the other things they made) I just fear everything will be "controlled" the US Government is already trying to overtake the internet and crap like that. Oh can't forget about the Verizon call info being shared with the Government. Bleh really strayed off there xD
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Oh it is still android based as only the kernel needs to be open. here is a part of the info. They recently had a developers con for it
Presented originally as an open source operating system, Tizen 2 has a complicated licensing model. Its SDK is built on top of open source components[31] but the entire SDK has been published under a non-open-source Samsung license.[32]
The operating system itself consists of many open source components. A number of components internally developed by Samsung (e.g. boot animation, calendar, task manager, music player applications) are however released under the Flora License which is most likely incompatible with requirements of the Open Source Initiative. Therefore it is not known whether the native application framework and its graphical components can be legally utilized for Free and Open Source Software such as GPL applications.

zelendel said:
Oh it is still android based as only the kernel needs to be open. here is a part of the info. They recently had a developers con for it
Presented originally as an open source operating system, Tizen 2 has a complicated licensing model. Its SDK is built on top of open source components[31] but the entire SDK has been published under a non-open-source Samsung license.[32]
The operating system itself consists of many open source components. A number of components internally developed by Samsung (e.g. boot animation, calendar, task manager, music player applications) are however released under the Flora License which is most likely incompatible with requirements of the Open Source Initiative. Therefore it is not known whether the native application framework and its graphical components can be legally utilized for Free and Open Source Software such as GPL applications.
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Im not liking it... Feels way too much like the older style phones. And that screenshot makes me wanna destroy all my electronics xD Never knew something so hideous could exist Lets hope its better than what I'm thinking. Wish they'd just stick to Android and java though..

elesbb said:
Im not liking it... Feels way too much like the older style phones. And that screenshot makes me wanna destroy all my electronics xD Never knew something so hideous could exist Lets hope its better than what I'm thinking. Wish they'd just stick to Android and java though..
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I ahte to say it but its not gonna be. Samsung wants complete control of the device. Just take a look at their unrootable kernels, locked bootloaders, and lack of interest in working with the developers. They used the Devs to make them popular and now couldnt care less. I have a feeling Samsung will go the way of Nokia if they keep this up.

zelendel said:
I ahte to say it but its not gonna be. Samsung wants complete control of the device. Just take a look at their unrootable kernels, locked bootloaders, and lack of interest in working with the developers. They used the Devs to make them popular and now couldnt care less. I have a feeling Samsung will go the way of Nokia if they keep this up.
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I noticed that the locked bootloaders and unrootable kernels were only carrier specific. I didnt have an unrootable kernel or a locked bootloader with my T-Mobile S4 variant but noticed other carriers had issues. Hmm. But yes if they keep it up i will not be buying any samsung device in the future. Im tryna make the S4 last me a good 3 - 4 years.

[Q] How can I use flash player on 4.4 kitkat KRT16S?

Like I said on the title, is there a way to use flash player on 4.4?
I know where to get the flash player.apk and how to install,
but chrome and firefox beta doesn't work.

No real need for flash on mobile is the site is properly configured
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No real need for flash on mobile is the site is properly configured
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Your argument is pretty ignorant and really only applies to Google and NOT real users.
Let's say that 1% of all sites on the internet is "not configured properly" and still uses flash. Google may not make a lot of money from 1% of the internet and that's may be the reason they don't want to continue to support flash.
But that 1% of websites may still be essential for users that frequent those sites. I don't need flash often, but 100% of the websites that broadcast "live sport" uses flash; so it is essential for me to have working flash on my phone. I don't care if it is buggy or not.
Google has be very heavy handed in their new service policies this year. Killing exchange active sync for gmail made me completely switch to Outlook.com. And now THIS!!!
Unfortunately, I think Android has peaked. They are no different from iOS now and in some ways, Google apps on iOS may even be better.
So guess what, my next phone/tablet/phablet will probably not be Android based.

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No real need for flash on mobile is the site is properly configured
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I believe you miss-typed and meant to say....."if the site is properly configured"
That is all well and good in theory and such.....but in the real world it is still a long way off as millions of webpages still use flash only for audio and video streaming content.
At this point it seems that if you have 4.4 installed, using Puffin browser with server flash regurgitation is the only possible way to see or hear flash based content. And using Puffin for flash is a horrible experience especially for video with low resolution and choppy output. Some audio only streams I listen to on several sites have been fairly decent from my one day test.
So now after testing the Puffin browser to see what it's like if I allow the 4.4 update......I am glad I did not update as I use many flash based content pages/sites on a daily basis and most all of them do not revert to HTML5.
I am all for advancement into a unified video and audio content accessibility throughout webpages on various platforms....just wish it would happen more completely soon. Interesting times we are dealing with now as far as this technology goes.

Photon browswer also has server based flash and some sites that don't work on Puffin will work on Photon.
I completely agree that Android is useless without ability to stream flash one way or another.