Where is the home media/itues steaming feature? - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I saw a bunch of news articles about it, but dont see any way to enable it in android 2.2

Wanna link us to these articles? And do some fact-checking to make sure you're not confused in regards to the teased features for Gingerbread that were shown at Google I/O?

drmacinyasha said:
Wanna link us to these articles? And do some fact-checking to make sure you're not confused in regards to the teased features for Gingerbread that were shown at Google I/O?
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http://www.slashgear.com/android-2-2-froyo-gets-remote-app-installs-itunes-streaming-2086419/
That was the first one I remember reading. Am I reading it wrong?

From what I understood, those demonstrations were of tech that's to be in Gingerbread, or just flat-out hasn't been released yet. Don't hold your breath waiting...

I still think it's crap how google got everyone so excited with all the cloud features for froyo(like OTA app sideloading) then didn't really deploy them...

They didnt mention gingerbread. And they demonstraited it on a n1 which doesnt have the hardware for gingerbread. Im pissed this feature hasnt been added.
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I think there is a lot of this in the framework for FroYo, but what they showed were more demo level, and they are going to let developers implement these things.
Kinda like the HDMI port on the EVO, the API is there, developers just need to use it.

Buy J. River Media Center and install their free Gizmo Android app. Music streaming and more to your phone.

to the OP or others that said they are pissed... you may be pissed now but i assure you after reading a few things, the future is looking bright!!!!! as f*ck!!!!
I blv google has come to the realization that it cannot fully compete with iphone smart(coughdumbcough)phones as well as microsoft smartphones for the simple fact their proprietary music software pwns all just about in respects to itunes and zune... however with google's purchase of simplifymedia and the already implemented cloud servers... its no doubt in my mind in short time we will rule. Hell Apple aint dumb, Itunes will see cloud computing too.
In the meantime... you all should look into either mspot (music only) or zumodrive (media video included). Its basically an alternative (IMHO) until google gets its service up and running. It syncs the music on your computer to the cloud and lets you access it from within your android app. Damn near instant with cloud computing
did i mention how much i love clouds?

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'nuff said

gmelchert said:
They didnt mention gingerbread. And they demonstraited it on a n1 which doesnt have the hardware for gingerbread. Im pissed this feature hasnt been added.
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What makes you think it doesn't have the hardware? 1Ghz CPU, 512MB of RAM are the only requirements for 3.0 that we've heard of, and the N1, EVO, DX, Incredible, and Desire all match those requirements.

I think screen size is also a requirement for gingerbread. At least 4" I believe.
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david279 said:
I think screen size is also a requirement for gingerbread. At least 4" I believe.
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3.5", not 4". N1 has 3.7".

I think most of those features are in Froyo, but there are still a lot of frameworks outside of the OS that need to be implemented. The Android Market is still being redesigned to work from the web. Froyo has the ability, as you can see with Chrome to Phone, but the web side of things isn't ready for the public yet. As for media, I think Froyo may have it, but Google is probably waiting for their music service to be ready (which is on its own timeline) before they launch the media features. Remember, they want to sell music through the Market in the near future, and the media features mostly have to do with that. It probably won't come until Gingerbread is released, but most likely 2.2+ can use these features when the "other half" is ready.
Patience is a virtue.

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[MRKT] Apps 2.2 Froyo Compatible ONLY...

This is really starting to aggravate me.
One being that we don't have Froyo yet and I can't install a bunch of apps all of sudden cause they're 2.2 only.
Two and most important is that devs are making 2.2 apps only and not making them backwards compatible. Has Froyo changed from 2.1 that drastically that the apps can't handle both OS's?
If they use stuff that is only in froyo, then you can't use them.
Soon froyo will be out and there is jpk that working fine. So you have to flash utter or wait.
If you need it so bad for 2.1 then contact the developer and ask him. Maby give him some money for his time.
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What about those who are stuck with 2.1 for while, I know my options but it's not good business IMO. It would be reasonable for 1.x to be coded out but 2.1 is still very prevalent.
If it's a paid for app, I'm sure they'll try and cater for the market, especially when you're going to be paying for the app. If it's a free app, then you'll have to pay them for their time to make it backwards compatible.
They're just future proofing. Instead of writing something for 2.1, they're going to write it in 2.2 and won't have to update it for another year or so.
Well its up to the developer.
I understand why they don't want to support older firmware, when they do stuff for the new one.
Have you paid for the app?
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DamianGto said:
Have you paid for the app?
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I posted this up just for a general discussion, I can't even see 2.2 only apps in my market but I have run into a bunch that I would like to buy but can't for obvious reasons. The question is what's going to happen when 2.2.1 comes out, or 2.3 etc. It took a while for the appstore to adapt to backwards comp and it's even more important now that iOS 4 can't be installed on older devices. Hopefully those with not so well supported phones won't suffer. It will be always be a small market that's negatively effected but I think for the over all health of the market it would be nice if some effort was given to backwards comp.
I agree dotty, for a free app you can't expect the dev to put in countless hours for nothing in return, then again, ads do make $$ as well.
I know nothing of how different 2.2 is under the hood and I guess this may be the underlying cause.
Well i think it's still up to the developer. If you want the program in a different firmware i guess he will make it if you pay him for the work.
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New Android market released - movies, books etc

Yes the news just went live on google mobile blog - here is their video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pbo-d62ivY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I still haven't got the update yet, did anyone else get it?
Edit: http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-android-market-for-phones-with.html?m=1 (source)
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The new version of Market will be rolling out over a fairly long window — it may take as long as a month to arrive on your handset, though it sounds like US users may see it sooner.
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Source: http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/12/an...-out-videos-books-and-more-discovery-options/
We've already begun a phased roll-out to phones running Android 2.2 or higher — the update should reach all users worldwide in the coming weeks.
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Source: android developers blog
nothing points to us-users being first in the official statement.
"The new Android Market will be rolling out in the coming weeks to Android 2.2 and higher phones around the world. You don’t need to do anything - the update is automatic on supported phones" - Google mobile blog
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So what if my phone came with 2.1, but I have never updated to Froyo, except by way of cooked ROM?
Does google still recognise that I am now running 2.3??
in zip-flash format:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15596465&postcount=9781
Noice! Works awesome!!
Thanks for that!
does anyone else think it looks a bit windows phone 7 ish, and also very much like the honeycomb version and also slow with the downloading/refreshing of thumbnails frequently?
or is it just me...
Lothaen said:
does anyone else think it looks a bit windows phone 7 ish, and also very much like the honeycomb version and also slow with the downloading/refreshing of thumbnails frequently?
or is it just me...
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To be fair, I'd say Swiping through screens has been there in Android for long, can't recall when exactly, but I think YouTube app was one of the first, the tiles do give out a hint of WP7, but again, I find the styling bit more close to Web version of the Market.
As for slow refresh, yes I do notice that too !! I'm sure will be fixed in future updates
the tiles on the front screen was the wp7 thing.
swiping left and right - didnt even cross my mind
Works on oxygen. But only then reallu fine, when pictures are loaded. But it looks nice.
Thanks for posting!!!
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any one from the UK get Movies & Books... i dont (yet!)
Looks pretty good!
Yep looks really nice but with all this graphics downloaded each time, it really need a better handling of cashed images/icons. It's horribly slow until I allow it to load fully, and by then im about to throw the device out the window.
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Yep looks really nice but with all this graphics downloaded each time, it really need a better handling of cashed images/icons. It's horribly slow until I allow it to load fully, and by then im about to throw the device out the window.
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Yeah, google should also put an option to disable the preview page, the one with bigger images, for each category..It works good on wi-fi, but can't work on low 3g or edge..After 10 minutes i browsing the market, it downloaded about 16 MB of data..too much
Really want to install this but the amount of data it consumes seems kinda crazy.
I've been using the new Android Market for about a day now and I'm really enjoying it.The new layout is nice and gives the market a more premium feel. Some new great high quality apps would make it almost perfect.
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If you're lucky enough to have JellyBean on your GNex, check out this app

I was just watching the Google IO Keynote live stream (I know, everyone's ideal way to spend a nice afternoon), and I saw this company that was getting featured by Android called Ekata Systems who launched their app Tapestry at the show. It seems to be a synchronized slideshow between JB devices with some snazzy twists that I've never seen any app do. It works best when you're trying it with a friend/family member so there are at least two devices (phone and/or tablet) to highlight the features though. You can check out the interview here, and the app here.
Talk about bleeding edge...only available on Jelly Bean. It uses this new feature called WiFi Direct that creates a local P2P network between 1:N clients. I'm playing with it with my co-workers and it is pretty sweet.
Is it for sure only for JB? The image in the app info shows a GSII and a Droid RAZR.
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You've got a good eye! Since I have a JB Galaxy Nexus and an N7, I can see the app in Google Play. But my friends who run an older distribution, can't even search for the app in the app store. As far as I know it only runs on JB.
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You've got a good eye! Since I have a JB Galaxy Nexus and an N7, I can see the app in Google Play. But my friends who run an older distribution, can't even search for the app in the app store. As far as I know it only runs on JB.
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ewwwww, you said app store
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ewwwww, you said app store
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Thanks that made me laugh!
I tried the app w/ my wife, who has a GNex running JB, and I have a brand spank'n new N7. It was awesome seeing the phone control a slideshow on the bigger screen of the N7, and we were scrolling through her pictures. It is almost like a mobile power point slideshow. There is a nifty feature we discovered, where if you do a swipe gesture on the viewing device, the image downloads directly to the device...which is weird because my N7 was not connected to WiFi at the time. Anyone know how it could've gotten the file without being connected to a WiFi AP? I heard something about WiFi Director but don't know what that is.
I did a quick search, and WiFi Direct is essentially a P2P protocol over WiFi. It doesn't required a live WiFi AP connection, so it works pretty much anywhere. I don't think I've seen any app use WiFi Direct, so thought it was pretty neat.
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I tried the app w/ my wife, who has a GNex running JB, and I have a brand spank'n new N7. It was awesome seeing the phone control a slideshow on the bigger screen of the N7, and we were scrolling through her pictures. It is almost like a mobile power point slideshow. There is a nifty feature we discovered, where if you do a swipe gesture on the viewing device, the image downloads directly to the device...which is weird because my N7 was not connected to WiFi at the time. Anyone know how it could've gotten the file without being connected to a WiFi AP? I heard something about WiFi Director but don't know what that is.
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It's either WiFi direct or NFC
Not to squash innovation but doesnt Instagram already kinda suit the need? I clearly see the differences but I think its splitting hairs in the solution dept. New App, less community, faster death. Unless its truly compelling.
raerae28 said:
Not to squash innovation but doesnt Instagram already kinda suit the need? I clearly see the differences but I think its splitting hairs in the solution dept. New App, less community, faster death. Unless its truly compelling.
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Less community....watching the guy talk about it in his Google IO video...I think that is almost the point. It is not to go wide and online and asynchronous....but closer and more intimate and more synchronous. A completely different approach to the experience of photo sharing.
Wifi direct been available since ICS.
slayr76 said:
Wifi direct been available since ICS.
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But with no settings...
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Dude I was watching All About Android #69 last night, and guess who they did an exclusive feature on? @ ~10:45
That's one of the cool features of galaxy s3, share shot, was wondering when it will be out for all, and here it is.
Is this feature not available on the Nexus S? I tried the app, but it didn't seem to work. It does seem to work on my wife's Galaxy Nexus, but without a second device, it's hard to actually test/enjoy it.
Crittias said:
Is this feature not available on the Nexus S? I tried the app, but it didn't seem to work. It does seem to work on my wife's Galaxy Nexus, but without a second device, it's hard to actually test/enjoy it.
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Yeah, sounds like from the feedback of another member that the Nexus S, although running JB, doesn't support WiFi Direct so it may not work. Pretty sweet when you get it going though. Time to buy a Nexus 7 so you can hook up with your wife's GNex!
My sister-in-law got the JB update on her Sprint GNex phone and is trying out the app and having problems. Anyone else try downloading/using the app and have a Spring GNex w/ JB? Kindly advise if you're having problems using the app.
Crittias said:
Is this feature not available on the Nexus S? I tried the app, but it didn't seem to work. It does seem to work on my wife's Galaxy Nexus, but without a second device, it's hard to actually test/enjoy it.
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Crittias. I just got an auto-update notice a few days ago that Tapestry has updated, and supposed it supports all the way back to Gingerbread. Sharp move, since not everyone is going to have JellyBean devices, so with Gingerbread, 85%+ of Android users can finally use the app. Should come in handy this holiday season when using the app, since nobody else in my entire family has JellyBean. Cromagnons! =)

Facebook home

Now iv been looking for a leaked apk of this all over. if you havent heard about it yet then jump on to your fb account and check it out. its been a part of my news feed for days. more that i read it seems this will be more of a rom than an app. witch confuses me because the way fb had worded it, it had seemed like it was going to be an app also. im no crazy facebooker like my gf but im curious to see how this changes things like the lock screen, home screens and the overlay of fb msger. does anyone have more info on this or just maybe a leaked apk they saw fall off the back of the truck and and point me where i can find it on the side of the road lol.
more infor if anyone wanted to read http://www.topapksite.com/facebook-home-rom-leaked-ahead-of-releasethe-droid-guy/
If anyone is looking for it here you go. Its not my work in anyway all I'm doing is pointing the finger in the rite way. Enjoy. Works on my phone fine
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232307
I was first thinking it was just something for the htc first. But now I'm under the impression that it's going to be a replacement launcher like apex or nova.
I thought it was announced? It's a launcher, but it's more integrated than other launchers as it also replaces the lockscreen and has that overlay. Personally, as a college student who uses facebook for communication and stalking his friends, I'd use it lol.
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I was first thinking it was just something for the htc first. But now I'm under the impression that it's going to be a replacement launcher like apex or nova.
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thats what im thinking now and i normally only use apex or LGs home launcher but this looks like a whole different sight on android home launchers
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I thought it was announced? It's a launcher, but it's more integrated than other launchers as it also replaces the lockscreen and has that overlay. Personally, as a college student who uses facebook for communication and stalking his friends, I'd use it lol.
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yeah ill use it until i want that new device feel again and switch to another launcher lol. they did announce it but no in great detail. i think thats tomorrow or this week, it releases to "some" android devices april 12th but the list is mainly HTCs. i saw it was leaked and such i didnt know if anyone here had it or played with it
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yeah ill use it until i want that new device feel again and switch to another launcher lol. they did announce it but no in great detail. i think thats tomorrow or this week, it releases to "some" android devices april 12th but the list is mainly HTCs. i saw it was leaked and such i didnt know if anyone here had it or played with it
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Check out android Central. It'll be available for HTC one, one X, one x+, Samsung galaxy S3,s4 and note 2.
Should be cool.
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I'll try it for a few minutes, but not something I would use fulltime.
I just download the leak that was on modaco. Right now not much is working all i have is a black screen and the icon buttons i like that can switch back to your normal launcher.I'm on Facebook alot so might use it once a working APK comes out for our phone.
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I just download the leak that was on modaco. Right now not much is working all i have is a black screen and the icon buttons i like that can switch back to your normal launcher.I'm on Facebook alot so might use it once a working APK comes out for our phone.
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can you please pm me a link for this apk? or the apk lol ill start looking at it
So its up and running. I can see and play with it such as the apps and little other things but you can't sign in idk y
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i read that until the official release on April 12th only employee facebook logins will work with the leaked apk.
I might mess with it to see what theyve been up to at FB, but I cant imagine wanting to use this as a regular launcher. Especially if its anything like their native app.
My understanding is just that it is a launcher that is heavily integrated with FB.
I personally will not be using it, as I cancelled my FB account a year ago. The air just smells cleaner these days...
Xiutehcuhtli said:
My understanding is just that it is a launcher that is heavily integrated with FB.
I personally will not be using it, as I cancelled my FB account a year ago. The air just smells cleaner these days...
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Hahaha when I "cancelled "my account I felt so much better but I went back for games. As for now I can clearly understand how it works and see it. Its def a really cool concept. I'd prefer one from instagram since I'm more of a picture person.
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Hahaha when I "cancelled "my account I felt so much better but I went back for games. As for now I can clearly understand how it works and see it. Its def a really cool concept. I'd prefer one from instagram since I'm more of a picture person.
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Give it time. We'll probably see something similar from instagram twatter maybe even as far as Google plus..
I just wish Google+ was more widely used by the average human rather just businesses and entertainment
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Give it time. We'll probably see something similar from instagram twatter maybe even as far as Google plus..
I just wish Google+ was more widely used by the average human rather just businesses and entertainment
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agreed i think it has the best ui by far clean simple but very useful but the only reason i dont use it is cuz (no joke) i have like 15 friends on there. i come from a land where apple has taken over and android is known as a "poor" mans iphone. even though my lgog will out preform and icrap
So Facebook home was released today and after reading the requirements our phone should run it just fine. But they would rather supply it to the popular phones. Is there a sure way of getting the official release on our phone through the market? I know there's a way to change the play store to think this is a different device. How do I do that? All I can find are enablers that don't work on most phones this one included
Edit: never mind. That still doesn't work. Edited the build.prop and still no luck. Even the Facebook that supposed to have the "home" settings doesn't have it for my device. And the leak files won't allow me to log in. I'm assuming that has something to do with the device as well..
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tsdeaton said:
So Facebook home was released today and after reading the requirements our phone should run it just fine. But they would rather supply it to the popular phones. Is there a sure way of getting the official release on our phone through the market? I know there's a way to change the play store to think this is a different device. How do I do that? All I can find are enablers that don't work on most phones this one included
Edit: never mind. That still doesn't work. Edited the build.prop and still no luck. Even the Facebook that supposed to have the "home" settings doesn't have it for my device. And the leak files won't allow me to log in. I'm assuming that has something to do with the device as well..
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you cant log in with the leak because fb cut it on there end. im happy you tried that because i was going to. not sure if it works im flashing cm10 then ill try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232213
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you cant log in with the leak because fb cut it on there end. im happy you tried that because i was going to. not sure if it works im flashing cm10 then ill try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232213
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Got it working. Found a thread that posted the official release and I didn't have to do anything special. Just installed the apk like normal
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if you edit the Build Prop to n7100 it works i'm going to give it a try for a day. to see how much i use it since i'm on facebook alot.
https://www.box.com/s/cwqlf37a9d5posphkljn
Official release

Any dev working on bringing back Adobe Flash compatibility to Kitkat?

Looking and searching for days on this topic. Could not find word on anybody working on it.
It is pretty heavy handed for Google to issue an update that reduces to functionality to their device. I use Adobe flash may be 5% of the time on my phone, but still, if I don't use it at all, I will just use an iPhone. No point in letting Google make money from my searches.
It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
Yes, because Adobe is no longer updating it.
This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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Right, but is anyone working on this at the rom level?
which APIs and why are they removed?
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which APIs and why are they removed?
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Website rendering is no longer done by AOSP(which renders flash). Now it's done by chromium (which doesn't render flash)
Lolento said:
Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
Lolento said:
Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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Last time I checked the 16-bit subsystem was no longer there in 64-bit Windows.
Lolento said:
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash.
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I don't understand why you keep blaming Google and not Apple, who ceased development on Flash for mobile devices 2 YEARS AGO
Lolento said:
Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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So your willing to go pick up a new over priced device which gives you next to no freedom on it for customization, for a old, out dated, inefficient system of flash? Even though that device also has no flash support ? Glad we settled that.
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Joppykid said:
Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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Couldn't agree more... If only iOS have a 5" phone, I'd have jump ship.
The customization advantage is getting lesser by the day...
Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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How is comparing pros and cons of two competing operating systems not a debate?
You asked "what makes android better than iOS, nothing IMO" I told you what I liked about Android over iOS. And you only mentioned iOS and Android in all of your posts, nothing about windows.
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Not just starting to get phased out. As far as Google is concerned, you aren't supposed to keep using an app that hasn't been updated for 2 years (and if the only app using the framework was pretty much abandoned a long time ago why would they have to keep supporting it?)
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Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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How does that compare? Want me to list the hundreds of programs that no longer work in modern Windows incarnations? How about most Creative sound cards? Is that MS' fault? I wouldn't say that, but you probably would.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
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So Adobe is moving away from Flash for mobile and you are saying it's Google's fault for not making sure every outdated app works on their newest OS version?
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
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"objectively" - "imo". 'Nuff said.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one.
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And that's your right, but don't spin it as anything other than your own biased opinion. Also, I'm pretty sure those sports websites never worked on iOS devices, ever.
I think its a good move by Google, the faster website developers will realize flash is outdated the better for everyone, less users using flash content because its incompatible will force them to switch to html5, sooner or later.
Homever Adobe should stop supporting desktop version too, it would fasten up the process alot.
Again, I was not inviting a debate in my OP. But if it needs to continue, it can.
Firstly, on Windows platform, in every modern iteration, there is a compatibility mode that maintains (to a certain extent) backwards compatibility. This is how MS does business, they dont go out of nowhere to drop support for a key piece of software. My windows 7 setup is backward compatible to software back to Windows 95.
Google, on the other hand, drops third party support for anything that they have a market share strangle hold on. Mark my word on this. It started with exchange sync support for gmail, then google voice, it will not stop there.
I think everyone hopes that web devs will realize flash player is dead. This is wishful thinking. Just like I wish voice call and sms should be dead.
Fact is, there are still millions of websites that are still dependent on flash player. They are still essential to people who uses these websites. I really dont care if Google supports or not, my OP asked if anyone else is working on it.
I switched from iPhone to Android years ago because Steve Job's Apple is a bully in their vision of technology. I see google as going down the same path.
Google doesn't really make anything that blow people's mind. They make things that are cheap and are good enough. I can easily and happily switch. In fact, I already made up my mind to test out the Dell Venue 8 Pro with Win 8.1 since the holiday deals look pretty good.
Lastly, I think someone misunderstood the diff between 'objective' vs 'subjective'.

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