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SOPA.... Let me tell you how I feel :)

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while the bill is dead at least for now. I wouldn't put it past people (namely Lemar) to re write it or get it included into something else that no one catches right off.

cidica said:
while the bill is dead at least for now. I wouldn't put it past people (namely Lemar) to re write it or get it included into something else that no one catches right off.
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It's not dead. They shelved it, and are currently revising it to resubmit later.
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What's wrong with the internet the way it is... aren't people satisfied with the bazillions of dollars they already make in profits...
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xSaint21 said:
What's wrong with the internet the way it is... aren't people satisfied with the bazillions of dollars they already make in profits...
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Apparently the music and film industries believe that the record-breaking profits every year aren't enough. They seem pretty convinced that if I could not download, say, music from the 1920's that I would somehow pay them money for it...oh, wait, they don't even sell it? Then surely I would just spend my money on something they do sell?
The real issue is not piracy. At all. It is control. They are losing control of content creation, distribution, profits and everything in between.
It's a paradigm shift. There is no more scarcity. In the past it cost money to make physical copies of content. That is no longer true. In the past it cost money to transport and distribute content. That is no longer true.
Guess who owns every one of those in-between industries? Guess who gets to pick the celebrities?
The internet has made all of that obsolete. The traditional music industry structure is crumbling so fast that you can start writing it's obituary now...the film industry still puts a TON of money into big movies--money that technology hasn't found a way to make irrelevant yet. So, they will likely go nowhere, but, profit margins are going to have to get slimmer to compete with all of the independently produced films.
People will always want to own the physical media under some circumstances...collectors, to give as a gift, for that one really special movie or album....but...most people won't.
These 2 industry associations are trying to prop up a 100 year old business model at the expense of cultural and technological progress....and that means money--to everyone else but them.
Tough ****. Pick a new business. Let the rest of us get on with progress.

They get paid way too much anyway. Some chick can make a sound out of her voice? So what, I've seen people run minecraft inside of minecraft on a computer they built out of blocks inside of minecraft. Now that is deserving of millions.

I recently saw a youtube vid of a talk Cory Doctorow gave at the 28th chaos communication congress last month. it's a long speech (about an hour) but worth watching and discusses SOPA and a lot of topics regarding restrictions on computers. here's just a bit of it.
"And on the network side, attempts to make a network that can't be used for copyright infringement always converges with the surveillance measures that we know from repressive governments. So, SOPA, the U.S. Stop Online Piracy Act, bans tools like DNSSec because they can be used to defeat DNS blocking measures. And it blocks tools like Tor, because they can be used to circumvent IP blocking measures. In fact, the proponents of SOPA, the Motion Picture Association of America, circulated a memo, citing research that SOPA would probably work, because it uses the same measures as are used in Syria, China, and Uzbekistan, and they argued that these measures are effective in those countries, and so they would work in America, too! "
I would post a link but not sure what rules are regarding that. anyway if you search for "28c3 cory doctorow" it will be the first that shows up.
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xSaint21 said:
What's wrong with the internet the way it is... aren't people satisfied with the bazillions of dollars they already make in profits...
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The thing is the more money people make, the more they want=OIL COMPANIES.
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Kinda was a rhetorical question greed is one hell of a thing.
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Unlocking Smartphones Illegal

Unlocking smartphones: Illegal
That’s right — unlocking your smartphone so you can take it to another wireless carrier will soon be illegal, unless authorized by your carrier. This, despite the fact that the Register has allowed unlocking since 2006.
There are some exceptions to this rule — but they aren’t worth cheering for. Specifically, you may unlock any phone you own now, or buy between now and “ninety days after the effective date of this exemption.” As of January 2013, however, unlocking your device without permission is decidedly against the law.
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Source: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...-be-illegal-and-other-new-dmca-rule-insanity/
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Kind of a silly law eh?

Nothing new, this is all over the place, namely Gizmodo and Engadget.
I for one will be ignoring this "law" should I ever find myself with a GSM phone...
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Nobody cares. End of the day, just kind of do it anyway and I guarantee nothing will ever, ever happen to you.

jimmyco2008 said:
Nothing new, this is all over the place, namely Gizmodo and Engadget.
I for one will be ignoring this "law" should I ever find myself with a GSM phone...
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Yeah there's absolutely no way they can reinforce this law. Unless they're going to declare a Nexus device illegal because it is "unlocked" -_-
The government needs to back off with what they're trying to do with all these tech laws. Obviously making laws to restrict cell phones is more important than fixing the government's budget, debt, foreign and national policies, education
Nobody cares. End of the day, just kind of do it anyway and I guarantee nothing will ever, ever happen to you.
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You care enough to make a reply to this thread? So it's obviously a big deal for you. Nothing will happen, but it's just funny to see what the law is trying to do.

I'd like to see them enforce this law. What they gonna do? Throw us in jail if we unlock the thing?

Well I remember when rooting and jailbreaking were declared legal in like 2006, whoopdy doo, you mean we can do whatever we want with our devices? Same situation now in that, legal or no, people will continue doing it.
Similar example: hackintoshing. It's illegal in that Apple can sue you for it, but they don't care about small people doing it, suing middle class or even lower class citizens for pennies on the dollar in a joke of a claim will only waste their money on legal fees and set a bad rep for picking on customers (hackintoshers often buy Magic Mice, Track pads, OSX itself and other Apple hardware/software for their setups).
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zephiK said:
You care enough to make a reply to this thread? So it's obviously a big deal for you. Nothing will happen, but it's just funny to see what the law is trying to do.
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Yeah, taking twenty seconds to reply to a thread obviously makes it a big deal for me. Alright, I'll partake in the circlejerk.
omg like lol but they let apple phones be jailberken. American law so ridiculluss.

Huh.. i bought mine unlocked. What i think it's silly is carriers having it blocked in the first place.
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I'm not in the US, but frankly, who gives a sh*t..
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Huh.. i bought mine unlocked. What i think it's silly is carriers having it blocked in the first place.
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Exactly, good thing is it's illegal for carriers to sim lock phones in my country.
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Interesting that it says you can't even rip a CD if you are going to play it on a device without an optical drive. So will iTunes stop letting you rip CD' s to your iTunes account. Or will they let you rip it but block you from putting those songs onto your iPod, (or any other mp3 player).
If they do let me, and I ever got arrested, I'd try to get the DA to charge Apple as an accessory to the crime for not blocking me from doing it lol.
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Very funny, like megaupload thing and S.O.P.A.
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bk201doesntexist said:
Huh.. i bought mine unlocked. What i think it's silly is carriers having it blocked in the first place.
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Carrier unlocked and bootloader unlocked are two different things.

Even though I don't unlock my phone ever, this is silly. Aren't there more important things they should be concerning themselves with?
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Here in Brazil, every phone is sold unlocked. And if we get a locked one, the carrier may unlock it for free.
Actually is illegal to sell locked phones.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Even though I don't unlock my phone ever, this is silly. Aren't there more important things they should be concerning themselves with?
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So all of those roms in your signature, you have never flashed?
dedraks said:
Here in Brazil, every phone is sold unlocked. And if we get a locked one, the carrier may unlock it for free.
Actually is illegal to sell locked phones.
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Not what this thread is about.

So now I'll also feel the same heat from the fuzz about backing up my blue rays and DVDs to my htpc
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adrynalyne said:
So all of those roms in your signature, you have never flashed?
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Not what this thread is about.
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The quote in the OP is referring to SIM unlocking not bootloader unlocking.

Well.. if this is the truth I'd be in jail for some time then
Stupid ****ing law if it were to pass. Not sure how they'd catch you.. I'd buy anything Google related anyway. Think America needs to worry about other issues besides gadgets. If I had the money to spend on a E-Flasher my ps3 would be down graded right now.
How dare you try to tell me what I can't and can do with MY device 'I' bought from you. If you want control over the product then **** you. I'll find something that don't want control and allow me to do whatever.
Just me though..
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People need to start being more proactive about voting some of these politicians out of office. Enough with sopa, pipa, etc.

In Germany there are no laws concerning that issue. However I assume that nobody cares, locked phones are (at least in Germany) usually sold with 2 year contracts - you can't get out of them (without paying a fine), so the carrier should give a sh*t on whether you use the services you pay for, or you pay twice to use other services.

It is now ILLEGAL to root ALL tablets!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1963058
How long till its phones?
Sign it please
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grassyloki said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1963058
How long till its phones?
Sign it please
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That sucks. It personally doesn't effect me because this is US law and I live in Canada. Regardless, I am not a fan of this law and I am sure MANY people are going to be upset.

Remember that time an online petition changed the world? Man, that was awesome.
Oh wait, that never happened.

What exactly does this have to do with the galaxy s2?

I would read what was said below before going to crazy... some strong points are made
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Jesus H. Christ, this topic is so rooted (no pun intended) in profoundly gross ignorance it's saddening.
1.) Not a single thing pertaining to tablets has changed. Their status under the DMCA remains the same as it was in 2011 and 2010.
2) The proposed DMCA rejection of tablets was rejected not based upon "greater capabilities," but upon the fact that the EFF came with an overly broad and ill-defined definition of tablet.
3) The was no ruling on 28 October. Rather, 28 Oct was the date that the current DMCA exemptions went into effect after being published in the Federal Register on 26 October.
4) In and of itself, rooting a tablet is not illegal. Circumvention of DRM is what's prohibited by the DMCA. What went into effect on 28 Oct are five exemptions to this that will be in effect for the ensuing three years.
5) The Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 ship with unlockable bootloaders and an open source operating system. As such, unlocking and rooting are unactionable under the DMCA. Even though circumventing a locked bootloader on other tablets has always been "actionable," OEMs turn a blind eye to it as that's just the way the Android ecosystem is. Furthermore, the NTIA supported the exemption being extended to tablets, so I don't foresee anyone getting sued for it.
6) Playing fast and loose with terms such as "illegal" makes for great sensationalism, but it also paints this subject entirely out of context. No one has ever gone to jail for rooting a tablet, nor will they. It's entirely a civil matter and the OEMs don't have any incentive to sue anyone for rooting.
7) I have to laugh when I see the fuss about the Copyright Office, as they are not the entity responsible for DMCA exemptions. It is the Librarian of Congress that is tasked with the job. So, as others have said, sending a slacktivist petition to the Copyright Office and bombarding them with misinformed tweets really isn't going to do much good other than get you considered as a whack job.
8) For that matter, whining to the LoC isn't going to do any good, either. This is a process that is governed by statute and the LoC has to act within the scope of that. If you don't like the way things turned out this year, DMCA exemptions will be up for review again in 2015. I'd suggest you attend one of the many public hearings that lead up to the decision making. It's a rather open and transparent process with numerous public hearings and openings for comments in the 12 months preceding the final publishing of exemptions. Hopefully by then, we'll be able to give them a definition of tablet that also doesn't encompass PSPs, e-readers, and laptops
Finally, I would leave you with this bit of sage advice... please, please, please... educate yourself about a topic before having a knee-jerk "the sky is falling" reaction to that topic. I'll reiterate the simple fact that nothing at all has changed as it pertains to anything anyone does here. Things are today just as they were on 27 October 2012 or 2011.
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VoiD_Dweller said:
What exactly does this have to do with the galaxy s2?
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It starts with tablets then one day it will transition into phones
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I'll continue to use my hardware however I want to, illegal or not.

Joe USer said:
I'll continue to use my hardware however I want to, illegal or not.
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+1 I shelled out the cash for my phone, I'll use my phone or tablet any way I please!!

What are the penalties for having a rooted tablet? I seriously doubt the tablet police will come knocking at your door demanding to see your asus transformer tab or whatever
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Haha that would be funny if they did

Chochiwpg said:
That sucks. It personally doesn't effect me because this is US law and I live in Canada. Regardless, I am not a fan of this law and I am sure MANY people are going to be upset.
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Feels good to live in Canada right now.
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DigitaL BlisS said:
Feels good to live in Canada right now.
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Where you living Digital?
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Chochiwpg said:
Where you living Digital?
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Ottawa, you?
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DigitaL BlisS said:
Ottawa, you?
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Winnipeg

the police state is out of hand.
Today at a stop sign an old man was stalled at the 4 way stop, a very popular intersection. Everyone was stopping to ask the old man if he needed help. He said no and was on his cell phone.
Down the road cops were stopping people, I didn't think much of it.
Came back to the intersection hours later and realized the same old man was on his cell phone.
He was an undercover cop or snitch telling the cops who didn't have a damn seat belt on and they were handing out $170 tickets.

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the police state is out of hand.
Today at a stop sign an old man was stalled at the 4 way stop, a very popular intersection. Everyone was stopping to ask the old man if he needed help. He said no and was on his cell phone.
Down the road cops were stopping people, I didn't think much of it.
Came back to the intersection hours later and realized the same old man was on his cell phone.
He was an undercover cop or snitch telling the cops who didn't have a damn seat belt on and they were handing out $170 tickets.
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Ah ha lol good one
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rymanh said:
What are the penalties for having a rooted tablet? I seriously doubt the tablet police will come knocking at your door demanding to see your asus transformer tab or whatever
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^ This. Except I'm not at your mom's house.
This would be about as enforceable as pirating media. Not that I would ever do that.

Well that sucks but it is a little confusing since didn't like a year or so ago a judge determine that jailbreaking an iPhone what is not illegal. So then its only illegal if it's a tablet. Not that it matters because I will continue rooting my devices and using it how I want
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Joe USer said:
I'll continue to use my hardware however I want to, illegal or not.
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I paid monry for my tablet. I will root it in another country if I must. In case rooting does get banned, it is likely only the act of rooting, not using a rooted device, that will be illegal. So root it in another country, and you will be fully fine.

Who owns our phones?

I came across this article. in my opinion if i bought my phone i should be allowed to do whatever I want... anyone disagree? Glad I unlocked my tmo sensation for my daughter on at&t before this went into effect..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013_n_2585502.html

iIl still be unlocking thou haha what are the chances of them finding out? Downloading movies and music is illegal and? ..people still do it xD crappy laws...
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What I guess they are getting at with the law is yes you own the hardware but do not own the software that runs on it. Only license it from the manufacturer and there for should not be allowed to change the software you don't own.
This law is also only effecting phones purchased after october and you can still unlock your phone you just need to have the carrier unlock it is all.
What is supposedly illegal is hacking the software to unlock it (like they can catch you) or getting a unlock code from a online provider other then your carrier / manufacturer.
I think it is dumb though. I bet Apple had a hand it in. Getting upset people were getting the carrier version of the iPhone and paying less and hacking to unlock it rather then paying a insane amount for the unlocked version.

bx10r said:
I came across this article. in my opinion if i bought my phone i should be allowed to do whatever I want... anyone disagree? Glad I unlocked my tmo sensation for my daughter on at&t before this went into effect..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013_n_2585502.html
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Lol I bought a gun... Doesn't mean I can shoot whomever/wherever I want... Bought a car that goes 150 but can't drive that fast... Bought a computer but can't hack gov't websites...
Just because I buy something doesnt mean I can do whatever I want with it. Ppl are really making too big of a deal about this unlocking bit...
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GalaxyS3Guy said:
Lol I bought a gun... Doesn't mean I can shoot whomever/wherever I want... Bought a car that goes 150 but can't drive that fast... Bought a computer but can't hack gov't websites...
Just because I buy something doesnt mean I can do whatever I want with it. Ppl are really making too big of a deal about this unlocking bit...
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All of those affect other people. Murder/assault is committing an act of violence against somebody without cause (can't claim self defense). Excessive speeding has great potential to kill other people on the road when you either slam into them because they are going normal speed vs your double speed or you lose control of your vehicle and slam into another. "Hacking" into somebody else's computer is an violates their right to privacy. That computer is their property and they have a right to be safe and secure when it comes to their property and belongings.
I understand your point, but YOU own your phone (assuming you paid for it and its not leased). You flashing your phone for another carrier and installing a custom ROM and using free software does not violate anybody else's rights to anything.
By your reckoning, do you think the government should be able to enforce a law for example that forces men to sit down to urinate? Either you are your own person and own your property or you don't.

Let's say a person with bad intentions gets an unlocked phone... With numerous different sim cards running through it from different carriers... You mean to tell me no harm can be done with that? It doesn't have potential to obstruct police investigations, locate kidnapped people, etc?
If you purchase an american flag, can you legally burn it? Hell can u leave it out in a rain storm? If you have cash that u earned, did u know its illegal to rip, burn, or even write on it? But its yours right?
Maybe it doesn't, but that's how I look at it. And everyone that has a phone already can unlock it if they want... Its just for new buyers which is why I don't see what the big deal is. How many people really unlock their phones? Less than 1% of cell phone users? Idk just think its a big fuss about a falling sky over nothing.
And BTW... I may not HAVE to sit/stand to urinate... But there are restrictions of where I urinate (if that's relevant)
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Apparently a couple of people are confused regarding ownership. Yes, you own your phone. No, you do not own the software or firmware on the phone. You own a licence to use the software and firmware. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but that is how it works.
Hope that helps.

Sooo....if android is open source...i can flash another custom rom and unlocked it...no broken laws there right? lol

Did you pay full retail or was your phone subsidized?

Also to be clear. It is not breaking this law to root the phone or install custom software. That is still the same.
The law is only concerning the carrier lock on the sim card.
So you can flash as many roms and stuff as you want as that won't effect sim locks. But if you modify the firmware to remove the sim card lock then that would be a violation of this law.

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Sooo....if android is open source...i can flash another custom rom and unlocked it...no broken laws there right? lol
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If you unlock it without the carriers approval you are breaking the law. If somehow you can write all the firmware, drivers, modems, etc from scratch along with a ROM that does not contain any lines of code from the carrier you may be able to go that route.
Being how most of us have Tmobile it's a non-issue anyway because T-mobile is very friendly regarding unlocking.

Fisrt we own the phone no one owns the softwear its open source, qualcomm has relased the source code for there drivers the only prob is the federal government is full of crooks but thats not here nor there. So anways why cant we unlock what is ours and open to us you tell me the carriers or the makers of the phone

Its just a bunch of stupid laws... all they want is new ways to keep spying on peoples privacy...example like wt. FB...

Fck the crooked system. It's my phone.
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This is an equivalence of purchasing digital media. The consumer may have purchased the digital media but they have no right to distribute the content unless they have permission from the distributor(s). Unlocking a phone (illegally) means the consumer is distributing the phone without the carrier's consistency.
I still signed the petition that's against the passing of the law anyways.
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Pretty much trying to cut out the middle men in order to squeeze out the more money they can from Those online places or doing it yourself way. for example my girl has an iphone I would like to bring her to tmobile since she doesn't have att anymore. If I was a casual user I would be scared of "breaking" the law and trying to unlock online so I'm out of luck. Hence forcing to buy a phone from them. pretty soon they are going to force us buying warranty on tvs and such for our "sake" .
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And stating only 1% of people unlock their phones is pretty ridiculous especially without any basis.
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I agree with the post that states tmobile is friendly for unlocking...i got my unlock code for my sensation in less than a day....but whatever...say what thay say.

GalaxyS3Guy said:
If you purchase an american flag, can you legally burn it? Hell can u leave it out in a rain storm? If you have cash that u earned, did u know its illegal to rip, burn, or even write on it? But its yours right?
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IMO you can burn it if you want, but don't be an idiot and display yourself burning it to the public lol.

daxecutioner24 said:
Pretty much trying to cut out the middle men in order to squeeze out the more money they can from Those online places or doing it yourself way. for example my girl has an iphone I would like to bring her to tmobile since she doesn't have att anymore. If I was a casual user I would be scared of "breaking" the law and trying to unlock online so I'm out of luck. Hence forcing to buy a phone from them. pretty soon they are going to force us buying warranty on tvs and such for our "sake" .
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Since Obama-Care was upheld the government can now force you to buy anything they feel like. Hold onto your wallet and next time around be sure to vote for those that prefer freedom and allow you the ability to purchase what you want instead of being ordered to do so.

jcbofkc said:
Since Obama-Care was upheld the government can now force you to buy anything they feel like. Hold onto your wallet and next time around be sure to vote for those that prefer freedom and allow you the ability to purchase what you want instead of being ordered to do so.
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Yeah Ok... Cool story... XDA probably isn't the place for your uneducated political propaganda. Let's stick to phone talk
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Bidding war ???

Now dish network wants to buy sprint ....
http://money.cnn.com/m/#!/2013/04/15/technology/dish-sprint-bid.json?category=Latest News
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Epix4G said:
Now dish network wants to buy sprint ....
http://money.cnn.com/m/#!/2013/04/15/technology/dish-sprint-bid.json?category=Latest News
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Beat me to it. This is VERY intriguing. At this point, I'm stuck with Sprint for a couple more years at least, most likely. Any sort of "cash infusion" is welcomed.
In the end, the only major player in my small city is Verizon, I may be jumping ship so I don't have to deal with crappy 3G speeds where 4G can be had. =\

And now Verizon looks like it's going after the Clearwire spectrum:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/15/4...re-1-5-billion-to-lease-its-spectrum-says-wsj

PsycloneTW said:
And now Verizon looks like it's going after the Clearwire spectrum:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/15/4...re-1-5-billion-to-lease-its-spectrum-says-wsj
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That move doesn't quite compute for me. Doesn't Sprint essentially control ClearWire? I suppose if Sprint needs cash more than it needs spectrum (which if probably the case), then it makes more sense.

MeetFace said:
That move doesn't quite compute for me. Doesn't Sprint essentially control ClearWire? I suppose if Sprint needs cash more than it needs spectrum (which if probably the case), then it makes more sense.
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sprint does Control Clear. At least that what I have read
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Sprint owns clear but they are still run independently of each other. ..2 separate companies .... similar to how Samsung can compete against Apple being sued by Apple and will still sell parts to Apple
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Epix4G said:
Sprint owns clear but they are still run independently of each other. ..2 separate companies .... similar to how Samsung can compete against Apple being sued by Apple and will still sell parts to Apple
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I agree, mostly. Except that Samsung isn't selling away their most important asset to Apple, the tech and research behind the screens.
As I understand it, ClearWire only has one thing that people want, and that is the spectrum itself. Unless Sprint can never use the spectrum Verizon wants, this move still confuses me.

Does anybody in here know about how this affects stocks? It went up almost $1 today!!!! So I was reading and did some research and this article says that it will disappear after a couple days and to sell , I dont understand how all that works anyone w some insight id greatly appreciate it.
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BigRitz said:
Does anybody in here know about how this affects stocks? It went up almost $1 today!!!! So I was reading and did some research and this article says that it will disappear after a couple days and to sell , I dont understand how all that works anyone w some insight id greatly appreciate it.
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Big, there is no magic formula for how stocks go up and down. I mean, at one time or another, there are methods to follow, but once everyone catches on...typically it stops working. That's not to say that in situations like this, with announcements like this, that the sudden excitement doesn't drive prices up only to come back down shortly thereafter. It happens, and happens often.
But, who's to say in this instance that prices don't hold and potentially go up even further?
For all intensive purposes, the stock market is a zero-sum game (debatable). When I lose, someone else has won.
All in all, I stay away from the stock market. Not because it's inherently bad, but because I haven't spent enough time researching it and getting to know the ins and outs.

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intents and purposes. 3 words there even though when most people say it it comes out sounding like 2.

austin420 said:
intents and purposes. 3 words there even though when most people say it it comes out sounding like 2.
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Thank you for this. I can't believe I've been saying this wrong for so long. Myself being a person who takes pride in proper grammar etiquette had to look it up to make sure you were correct. Alas, you are 100% right, and I've probably sounded like an ass at more than a few interviews lol.
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BigRitz said:
Does anybody in here know about how this affects stocks? It went up almost $1 today!!!! So I was reading and did some research and this article says that it will disappear after a couple days and to sell , I dont understand how all that works anyone w some insight id greatly appreciate it.
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Of course it would go up: the prospect that now 2 companies are looking forward to buy CW (one of them at a higher price) makes CW stock a bit more attractive thus pushing people to buy shares, as the amount of shares available go down their price goes up and now whoever owns CW shares is making an extra dollar per share if they decide to sell.

its sprint
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Of course it would go up: the prospect that now 2 companies are looking forward to buy CW (one of them at a higher price) makes CW stock a bit more attractive thus pushing people to buy shares, as the amount of shares available go down their price goes up and now whoever owns CW shares is making an extra dollar per share if they decide to sell.
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its not clear wire that they want to buy .....dish is trying to buy sprint and verizon wants to lease the clear spectrum . dish offered 25.5 billion for sprint and verizon offered 1.5 billion to lease the spectrum ...vzw is not trying to buy clear that deal is already done with sprint and clear ..

I have no doubt that Dish will win this war - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...perior-to-softbank-s-investor-omega-says.html
A great read what dish is about & how Ergen has reached this point - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dish-network-meanest-company-america-194008712.html?page=all
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I have no doubt that Dish will win this war - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...perior-to-softbank-s-investor-omega-says.html
A great read what dish is about & how Ergen has reached this point - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dish-network-meanest-company-america-194008712.html?page=all
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I really hope not. Dish IMHO is the bargain basement satellite. Many complaints of non existent customer service. Would be the beginning of the end for Sprint as this approach seems have been tried by Sprint and failed horribly.
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if dish buys sprint, ill walk.

Offering more cash, keeping it in US, "synergy" with TV offerings... all fine and good sounding as statements I've read around the web for "pro" DiSH (I would actually contest the positive aspects of the TV network/wireless network synergy...)
The fact is, Softbank has Many orders of magnitude in assets overall to continue to support and invest in the network. And the motivation to do it, as a well established tech-forward company. ($4 trillion vs $11 billion...)
As where DiSHs motivations in the wireless business are akin to Comcasts in the ISP business. Not to provide you an excellent data service, but to sell you the bundles, the programing, the advertising, where their true money is made. Bad for the consumer.
I for one, welcome our new Eastern overlords.

I am a customer of both Sprint and Dish already. I guess that wouldn't hurt to combine the two. For me anyway... Though this is clearly a response to comcast teaming with Vzw.
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Seems like a win win either way.
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