I came across this article. in my opinion if i bought my phone i should be allowed to do whatever I want... anyone disagree? Glad I unlocked my tmo sensation for my daughter on at&t before this went into effect..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013_n_2585502.html
iIl still be unlocking thou haha what are the chances of them finding out? Downloading movies and music is illegal and? ..people still do it xD crappy laws...
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What I guess they are getting at with the law is yes you own the hardware but do not own the software that runs on it. Only license it from the manufacturer and there for should not be allowed to change the software you don't own.
This law is also only effecting phones purchased after october and you can still unlock your phone you just need to have the carrier unlock it is all.
What is supposedly illegal is hacking the software to unlock it (like they can catch you) or getting a unlock code from a online provider other then your carrier / manufacturer.
I think it is dumb though. I bet Apple had a hand it in. Getting upset people were getting the carrier version of the iPhone and paying less and hacking to unlock it rather then paying a insane amount for the unlocked version.
bx10r said:
I came across this article. in my opinion if i bought my phone i should be allowed to do whatever I want... anyone disagree? Glad I unlocked my tmo sensation for my daughter on at&t before this went into effect..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/30/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013_n_2585502.html
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Lol I bought a gun... Doesn't mean I can shoot whomever/wherever I want... Bought a car that goes 150 but can't drive that fast... Bought a computer but can't hack gov't websites...
Just because I buy something doesnt mean I can do whatever I want with it. Ppl are really making too big of a deal about this unlocking bit...
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Lol I bought a gun... Doesn't mean I can shoot whomever/wherever I want... Bought a car that goes 150 but can't drive that fast... Bought a computer but can't hack gov't websites...
Just because I buy something doesnt mean I can do whatever I want with it. Ppl are really making too big of a deal about this unlocking bit...
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All of those affect other people. Murder/assault is committing an act of violence against somebody without cause (can't claim self defense). Excessive speeding has great potential to kill other people on the road when you either slam into them because they are going normal speed vs your double speed or you lose control of your vehicle and slam into another. "Hacking" into somebody else's computer is an violates their right to privacy. That computer is their property and they have a right to be safe and secure when it comes to their property and belongings.
I understand your point, but YOU own your phone (assuming you paid for it and its not leased). You flashing your phone for another carrier and installing a custom ROM and using free software does not violate anybody else's rights to anything.
By your reckoning, do you think the government should be able to enforce a law for example that forces men to sit down to urinate? Either you are your own person and own your property or you don't.
Let's say a person with bad intentions gets an unlocked phone... With numerous different sim cards running through it from different carriers... You mean to tell me no harm can be done with that? It doesn't have potential to obstruct police investigations, locate kidnapped people, etc?
If you purchase an american flag, can you legally burn it? Hell can u leave it out in a rain storm? If you have cash that u earned, did u know its illegal to rip, burn, or even write on it? But its yours right?
Maybe it doesn't, but that's how I look at it. And everyone that has a phone already can unlock it if they want... Its just for new buyers which is why I don't see what the big deal is. How many people really unlock their phones? Less than 1% of cell phone users? Idk just think its a big fuss about a falling sky over nothing.
And BTW... I may not HAVE to sit/stand to urinate... But there are restrictions of where I urinate (if that's relevant)
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Apparently a couple of people are confused regarding ownership. Yes, you own your phone. No, you do not own the software or firmware on the phone. You own a licence to use the software and firmware. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but that is how it works.
Hope that helps.
Sooo....if android is open source...i can flash another custom rom and unlocked it...no broken laws there right? lol
Did you pay full retail or was your phone subsidized?
Also to be clear. It is not breaking this law to root the phone or install custom software. That is still the same.
The law is only concerning the carrier lock on the sim card.
So you can flash as many roms and stuff as you want as that won't effect sim locks. But if you modify the firmware to remove the sim card lock then that would be a violation of this law.
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Sooo....if android is open source...i can flash another custom rom and unlocked it...no broken laws there right? lol
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If you unlock it without the carriers approval you are breaking the law. If somehow you can write all the firmware, drivers, modems, etc from scratch along with a ROM that does not contain any lines of code from the carrier you may be able to go that route.
Being how most of us have Tmobile it's a non-issue anyway because T-mobile is very friendly regarding unlocking.
Fisrt we own the phone no one owns the softwear its open source, qualcomm has relased the source code for there drivers the only prob is the federal government is full of crooks but thats not here nor there. So anways why cant we unlock what is ours and open to us you tell me the carriers or the makers of the phone
Its just a bunch of stupid laws... all they want is new ways to keep spying on peoples privacy...example like wt. FB...
Fck the crooked system. It's my phone.
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This is an equivalence of purchasing digital media. The consumer may have purchased the digital media but they have no right to distribute the content unless they have permission from the distributor(s). Unlocking a phone (illegally) means the consumer is distributing the phone without the carrier's consistency.
I still signed the petition that's against the passing of the law anyways.
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Pretty much trying to cut out the middle men in order to squeeze out the more money they can from Those online places or doing it yourself way. for example my girl has an iphone I would like to bring her to tmobile since she doesn't have att anymore. If I was a casual user I would be scared of "breaking" the law and trying to unlock online so I'm out of luck. Hence forcing to buy a phone from them. pretty soon they are going to force us buying warranty on tvs and such for our "sake" .
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And stating only 1% of people unlock their phones is pretty ridiculous especially without any basis.
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I agree with the post that states tmobile is friendly for unlocking...i got my unlock code for my sensation in less than a day....but whatever...say what thay say.
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If you purchase an american flag, can you legally burn it? Hell can u leave it out in a rain storm? If you have cash that u earned, did u know its illegal to rip, burn, or even write on it? But its yours right?
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IMO you can burn it if you want, but don't be an idiot and display yourself burning it to the public lol.
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Pretty much trying to cut out the middle men in order to squeeze out the more money they can from Those online places or doing it yourself way. for example my girl has an iphone I would like to bring her to tmobile since she doesn't have att anymore. If I was a casual user I would be scared of "breaking" the law and trying to unlock online so I'm out of luck. Hence forcing to buy a phone from them. pretty soon they are going to force us buying warranty on tvs and such for our "sake" .
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And stating only 1% of people unlock their phones is pretty ridiculous especially without any basis.
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Since Obama-Care was upheld the government can now force you to buy anything they feel like. Hold onto your wallet and next time around be sure to vote for those that prefer freedom and allow you the ability to purchase what you want instead of being ordered to do so.
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Since Obama-Care was upheld the government can now force you to buy anything they feel like. Hold onto your wallet and next time around be sure to vote for those that prefer freedom and allow you the ability to purchase what you want instead of being ordered to do so.
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Yeah Ok... Cool story... XDA probably isn't the place for your uneducated political propaganda. Let's stick to phone talk
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I have a r800at and I dont like the idea of paying an online service and having them remotely connect to my pc.
Id like to try locally so that it would be done right.
Just give me the price you would charge me.
Send me a PM to contact me.
Its safe to do it remotely.
Omnius server allows you to do it yourself. It costs €15 for a single unlock. You have to pull the sticker off from under the battery and after that it takes some manipulation of a paper clip to touch off 2 different points, but it's handy enough.
There was a thread somewhere in the dev section but I can't seem to find it at the moment.
EDIT: sorry, I should mention I'm not sure about the R800at (mines an R800i) but I think the only one that has issues unlocking the bootloader is the R800x.
If you're very wary of unlocking through the internet, you can do it through a Virtual Machine. Download Virtualbox and set up a Windows VM. I did so in the past in order to give some feedback to Alejandrissimo, and it worked a treat.
I got mine done remotely and of the same guy,everything is fine, you can see every thing that is done remotely by the other person and you can kick him of any time.
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My problem with remote is I had already tried it, and it bricked my phones atenna and kept my bootloader locked. I just feel more comfortable just having someone who can do it themselves in person so I know its done right. I cant risk another phone online.
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Omnius server allows you to do it yourself. It costs €15 for a single unlock. You have to pull the sticker off from under the battery and after that it takes some manipulation of a paper clip to touch off 2 different points, but it's handy enough.
There was a thread somewhere in the dev section but I can't seem to find it at the moment.
EDIT: sorry, I should mention I'm not sure about the R800at (mines an R800i) but I think the only one that has issues unlocking the bootloader is the R800x.
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Are there any reviews of people using this? Also how would you know if it works?
Sorry to hijack, but does pulling the sticker off for a test-point unlock void the warranty?
Michealtbh said:
Sorry to hijack, but does pulling the sticker off for a test-point unlock void the warranty?
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Possibly, but unlocking your bootloader will anyway.
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Are there any reviews of people using this? Also how would you know if it works?
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how does that work ? or are thy charging customers for them showing u how to do it with paperclip ? :-/
The bulk of the cost is that they need credits in order to unlock.
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The bulk of the cost is that they need credits in order to unlock.
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ya this credits thing is a royal scam
i wish someone would come up with a free method
these "business men" are defiantly not members of the kopimi religion.
Hogwarts said:
ya this credits thing is a royal scam
i wish someone would come up with a free method
these "business men" are defiantly not members of the kopimi religion.
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It's frustrating to keep hearing people badmouth those offering unlock services. The "credits" are not something invented by them. THEY have to purchase them for the SONY ERICSSON software in order to unlock the phone. They barely charge over the value of the credits. In my opinion the money made is not even worth the time invested. Stop being petty, and be glad anyone would take the time to try and help you for what amounts to less than minimum wage. Honestly! They would be making more money working at McDonald's .... and you lot act like they're laughing all the way to the bank.
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It's frustrating to keep hearing people badmouth those offering unlock services. The "credits" are not something invented by them. THEY have to purchase them for the SONY ERICSSON software in order to unlock the phone. They barely charge over the value of the credits. In my opinion the money made is not even worth the time invested. Stop being petty, and be glad anyone would take the time to try and help you for what amounts to less than minimum wage. Honestly! They would be making more money working at McDonald's .... and you lot act like they're laughing all the way to the bank.
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Well put. I haven't unlocked my bootloader yet but I'd be happy to pay the guys who do it a little extra, they are taking time out of their day, missing thier family/work/education and some of you guys MOAN about it??? Well if you're so awesome at moaning, bugger off, learn how to code and make a free solution yourself! Some people....
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So there is no one in Vegas that can help me out? Id be paying more than what the online pays.
Alejandrisimo has remotely unlocked the bootloader of my arc back in Sept, and last month he did my play. when the update for ota updates came through, he updated my bootloader free. I wouldn't worry about him bricking your phone. if a brick happens its due to hardware problems(usb) in your own system. that will happen if you have someone local do it...or remote. let him remote in with teamviewer and get it done, takes about 10 minutes, less even. when he's done simply remove the remote software after. check his site too, the testimonials are plentiful: http://unlock-bootloader.com/testimonials/
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Alejandrisimo has remotely unlocked the bootloader of my arc back in Sept, and last month he did my play. when the update for ota updates came through, he updated my bootloader free. I wouldn't worry about him bricking your phone. if a brick happens its due to hardware problems(usb) in your own system. that will happen if you have someone local do it...or remote. let him remote in with teamviewer and get it done, takes about 10 minutes, less even. when he's done simply remove the remote software after. check his site too, the testimonials are plentiful: http://unlock-bootloader.com/testimonials/
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Bump.
I used alejandrissimo, with absolutely no problems (before he setup his own site, he had well over 300 satisfied customer in his thread)
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Ive already tried him and he ended up killing my atenna and I had to have att fix it. Hes the reason why I dont want to do this online.
Here is an article about how rooting and jaikbreaking may legally come to an end in the near future.
www.noticeorange.com/StoryBody?id=4...RpY2VvcmFuZ2VyDQsSBFNpdGUY2ZLqAQw&font_size=9
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Looks like there is a petition to sign... Will this do any good?
Don't think it will stick. To many means to move information.
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Not really much of an article .... I'll believe it when someone more reputable writes about it.
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Not really much of an article .... I'll believe it when someone more reputable writes about it.
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How about the Electronic Freedom Foundation?
https://www.eff.org/press/releases/help-protect-gadget-jailbreakers-and-video-artists-legal-threats
Considering how many people root/jailbreak, s**t will hit the fan if this passes.
this crap will never pass and if it does we will see some real sh*t hit the streets just like the sopa and pipa crap pirates will never stop just like the internet will never rest is like a hydra cut one head two more come out.
I rooted before they ever will make it illegal, so what will I have to do. I "don't" know how to unjailbreak lol
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How about the Electronic Freedom Foundation?
https://www.eff.org/press/releases/help-protect-gadget-jailbreakers-and-video-artists-legal-threats
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Who?
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Would be a bummer to not be able to use our phones that we bought.
LOL - ha ha. Tried, just try to enforce it in India, China & a few other countries and see what happened.
With CDMA only devices, it might be easier to attempt a crackdown - but, GSM devices that are sim-based, forgetaboutit ...
If this happens, pigs can fly too.
Some instances of altering game consoles for pirate gaming could be understandable cause it does hurt the companies (not that they are in pain) but I don't know off hand of anything or anybody that is hurt by my phone being rooted. HTC is aware its being done and aside from voiding the warranty they have not started any criminal procedure that I know of. I don't see this happening but I doubt they could enforce it. Hell an American developer would only have to post thru a foreign board member. Seriously let's focus our legal money/manpower on real issues.
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Considering how many people root/jailbreak, s**t will hit the fan if this passes.
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Considering how many people use the internet, SOPA almost passed.
If this bill is real, there's a good chance it could get passed. Sure, lots of people root their phones, but in the grand scheme of things, considering how many people do -not- root their phones, the number of people who do is pretty minuscule.
Kinda like marijuana or alcohol. If it's legal, people are gonna do it legally. If they make it illegal, they'll do it illegally.
BTW, Apple tried this a few years back, it failed miserably.
Would there even be a way to know if someone rooted their cell? I'm not sure what would change if they couldn't...
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good thing HTC is being cool and providing a way to unlock their phones for us. can't be illegal if the manufacturer provides it
okay guys, I so I've been arguing with my mom for weeks now about rooting my e4gt even though it already is ... but she constantly asks how I did something to my phone, change battery color, bootscreen, etc., and I can tell her I rooted my phone because she said she'll take it because rooting is illegal.
I told he rwhoever said this is stupid sprint can't make laws, but she's saying that it is against her contract rules she signed with sprint contract.. can anyone argue with this, I highly doubt that this is true..
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They will only terminate because of too much roaming and tethering ...ie downloading torrents or Xbox ps3 gaming .. go get sprint tos . According to dept of justice there is a exception in the digital millennium copyright law that allows for jailbreak and rooting.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/26/technology/iphone_jailbreaking/
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Nothing about rooting in the contract. Zero. Make her show you where it says that
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I work for Sprint, and there is nothing in the contract about what you do to your phone. As you said, there's nothing illegal (that would imply some sort of court action for doing it) but some Sprint techs will not work on a phone that is rooted.
Really the contract basically just says you will have service for the two years, if you cancel early, you pay a fee. The contract does not mention anything about the specific phone you have (i.e. whether it is an android or a blackberry, etc), does not mention what plan you have (because this can be changed at any time without a contract renewal.), and does not mention anything about modifying the software of your device. As mentioned above, if you over-use roaming, sprint may end your contract for you, but that is actually way more rare than people make it seem.
Also, arguing with the one that controls your cell service is not good advice. She has the ability to data and SMS restrict your phone, or suspend service on it altogether by just calling up customer service.
So, rather than telling her you rooted it, tell her you installed a Sprint ID. If she's smart enough to ask which one so you can install it on her phone, just root hers too.
If you check m+p they can't refuse to work on it because its rooted .
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If you check m+p they can't refuse to work on it because its rooted .
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I can check M&P all day long, but I know techs in the area that say that if there is a software issue with a rooted device, it has to be reverted back to stock before they will look at it. Hardware issues are a different story though.
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okay guys, I so I've been arguing with my mom for weeks now about rooting my e4gt even though it already is ... but she constantly asks how I did something to my phone, change battery color, bootscreen, etc., and I can tell her I rooted my phone because she said she'll take it because rooting is illegal.
I told he rwhoever said this is stupid sprint can't make laws, but she's saying that it is against her contract rules she signed with sprint contract.. can anyone argue with this, I highly doubt that this is true..
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First, I hope you've thanked your mom for getting you such a great phone and paying your bill.
Second, it's her account and her right to be concerned.
I've told my son for years (he's grown now) and tell my nieces often, it's all in how you present it. If you talk to your mom like she's an idiot, she's likely going to rebuff you and do as monkeyracer mentioned (turn off sms, disable service, etc). I would suggest you show her this forum so some of the informed posters can put her mind at ease.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20011661-38.html
Jailbreaking your iPhone or other mobile devices will no longer violate federal copyright law, thanks to a new ruling that updates the 1998 DMCA.
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Also, there are several one-click packages available that will literally restore the phone to the original factory condition with one click of a mouse.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383678
This One-Click ODIN contains the SHIPPED EG30 Modem, Kernel, and ROM which the E4GT was initially released with.
Being a Factory Reset, this WILL reset all your Android user data. If you'd prefer to keep your user data, use the NoData version.
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buy your own phone and brick it all day!
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I can check M&P all day long, but I know techs in the area that say that if there is a software issue with a rooted device, it has to be reverted back to stock before they will look at it. Hardware issues are a different story though.
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
Actually the terms of service were modified in the last year (I don't know exactly when it happened) to specify that rooting is grounds for terminating your service (prior to that it just said modifications)
I am surprised your mom actually read the tos, the reference is buried somewhere near the bottom 3rd iirc. Is she an attorney or engineer? Those are amongst the few catagories of people who imo might read the entire tos ahead of time, rather than after something happens that affects them.
Anyway, your response to her can be that
1) companies put terms in their contracts which are not enforceable all the time, either to socially engineer you away from some behavior, or set up some pretext to protect their interests in the future
2) no one afaik has ever posted that sprint has tried to use this clause in the tos to terminate service
I am on mobile right now so it isn't convenient to dig up the reference, but if someone is interested I can look it up. It is in the section which says if you are rude or abusive to an agent that is grounds (according to sprint) for termination of service.
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
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I so hate you for this comment I just busted out laughing at this.
Personally, I don't understand why carriers are even obssessed with controlling our phones. Some of us get the phone (no matter if it's android or iphone) because we are able to root and jailbreak it. If we wanted a basic phone we would get blackberrys. smh sorry for the rant I just feel like corporations seem to want to control the way a consumer should think and what to do with devices.
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Those the same idiots that say installing a launcher can mess up your phone ..... sometimes when I need a good laugh instead of going to a comedy club I will go to sprint to listen to what the employees say ......that's funny
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I'll have to try that..sounds like a fun time!!
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I so hate you for this comment I just busted out laughing at this.
Personally, I don't understand why carriers are even obssessed with controlling our phones. Some of us get the phone (no matter if it's android or iphone) because we are able to root and jailbreak it. If we wanted a basic phone we would get blackberrys. smh sorry for the rant I just feel like corporations seem to want to control the way a consumer should think and what to do with devices.
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I don't know why either. If you take a step back and look at the whole picture (government included), minus the genocide, they are modeling their practices after Hitler and many other tyrants of history. Absolute authority and control through trickery of words and the slow implementation of progressively stricter policies. And most eat it up thinking it's for their own good. That's my rant for the day
As far as this rooting issue. Sprint reserves the right to terminate a contract for ANY reason they think warrants it. So in that sense, rooting is no worse than making a phone call. Both could void your contract just the same. Is rooting illegal? It's about as illegal as using 'sudo' in Linux.
Rooting isn't simply gaining access to the naughty parts. It's literally becoming that device since your changing your UID to 0 - which is not a number. And I don't like being some number.
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Actually the terms of service were modified in the last year (I don't know exactly when it happened) to specify that rooting is grounds for terminating your service (prior to that it just said modifications)
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I just read through the Terms and Conditions among other documents, and there is nothing of the sort that I can locate.
Many people who claim to work for Sprint ahve stated that if your have the Equipment Service and Repair program on your account, they are required to work on the device, regardless of whether it has been rooted. If you break it to the point they cannot fix it, you may have to fall back on the Equipment Replacement Program or send it to Samsung.
Also, for Samsung's position, check my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1548588
Terms and Conditions: http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml
Privacy Policy: http://www.sprint.com/legal/privacy.html
Acceptable Use/Network Management: http://www.sprint.com/legal/agreement.html#neut
Surcharges, Taxes and Fees: http://support.sprint.com/support/a...d_other_charges/case-ib376964-20090810-135914
Equipment Service and Repair: http://shop.sprint.com/global/pdf/services_solutions/brochure_tep_esrp.pdf
Equipment Replacement: http://shop.sprint.com/global/pdf/services_solutions/brochure_tep_erp.pdf
Basically, you own your device, you can do what you want with it. Just don't expect Sprint to fix it for free if you break it.
Sprint doesn't care if you root as long as you bother them because of it.
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I just read through the Terms and Conditions among other documents, and there is nothing of the sort that I can locate.
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https://manage.sprintpcs.com/output/en_US/manage/MyPhoneandPlan/ChangePlans/popLegalTermsPrivacy.htm
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (g) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated, or unverifiable identification or credit information or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with our Services; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer’s interests, or our networks.
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As I mentioned above, it used to just say generic "modifying device" but some time in the past year, they specifically added the rooting clarification.
Also as I mentioned above, companies often put in terms that are not enforceable and also AFAIK, I have never seen someone posting they were terminated due to this term.
I won't argue the merits (or non-merits) of this clause, just pointing out that it does exist.
The techs I am talking about are very good, and they don't refuse to work on rooted phones, but with any software issue (including issues on non-rooted phones) they usually revert the phone back to stock (read: hard reset) so they can rule out external software as the cause of the issue. If the phone is rooted, factory reset is not going to bring it back to stock, and they are not going to unroot the phone for the customer, so what is the answer? The customer has to unroot the phone and bring it back in to be checked again.
BTW, if you have ESRP or TEP, there's no reason you would need to contact Samsung. Samsung is really only necessary for warranty stuff for those too cheap to get ESRP or TEP.
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My wife and I went to the Sprint store to have her number changed and they said they couldn't do it because it was rooted and that alone would prevent them from changing the number. There are good and bad employees at every business but sometimes I wounder if certain ones missed the initial training courses. It's one thing to be say "I'm not sure" if they don't know what rooting actually does. It's another thing to say something so matter-of-fact as if they know what they're talking about.
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I love it when people talk like they know stuff, just because they work somewhere. like baristas at starbucks talks as if they know all about coffees and etc. just like anther sprint worker, who told me galaxy nexus will work with sprint's current 4g(wimax) network.. just pure idiots.. i wish people were more humble.. yes there are ton of clueless customer, but just because you work at a place, that does not make you an encyclopedia of the items and service you offer. the knowledge of the items and service belongs to those who have actually spend some time researching..
Unlocking smartphones: Illegal
That’s right — unlocking your smartphone so you can take it to another wireless carrier will soon be illegal, unless authorized by your carrier. This, despite the fact that the Register has allowed unlocking since 2006.
There are some exceptions to this rule — but they aren’t worth cheering for. Specifically, you may unlock any phone you own now, or buy between now and “ninety days after the effective date of this exemption.” As of January 2013, however, unlocking your device without permission is decidedly against the law.
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Kind of a silly law eh?
Nothing new, this is all over the place, namely Gizmodo and Engadget.
I for one will be ignoring this "law" should I ever find myself with a GSM phone...
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Nobody cares. End of the day, just kind of do it anyway and I guarantee nothing will ever, ever happen to you.
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Nothing new, this is all over the place, namely Gizmodo and Engadget.
I for one will be ignoring this "law" should I ever find myself with a GSM phone...
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Yeah there's absolutely no way they can reinforce this law. Unless they're going to declare a Nexus device illegal because it is "unlocked" -_-
The government needs to back off with what they're trying to do with all these tech laws. Obviously making laws to restrict cell phones is more important than fixing the government's budget, debt, foreign and national policies, education
Nobody cares. End of the day, just kind of do it anyway and I guarantee nothing will ever, ever happen to you.
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You care enough to make a reply to this thread? So it's obviously a big deal for you. Nothing will happen, but it's just funny to see what the law is trying to do.
I'd like to see them enforce this law. What they gonna do? Throw us in jail if we unlock the thing?
Well I remember when rooting and jailbreaking were declared legal in like 2006, whoopdy doo, you mean we can do whatever we want with our devices? Same situation now in that, legal or no, people will continue doing it.
Similar example: hackintoshing. It's illegal in that Apple can sue you for it, but they don't care about small people doing it, suing middle class or even lower class citizens for pennies on the dollar in a joke of a claim will only waste their money on legal fees and set a bad rep for picking on customers (hackintoshers often buy Magic Mice, Track pads, OSX itself and other Apple hardware/software for their setups).
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You care enough to make a reply to this thread? So it's obviously a big deal for you. Nothing will happen, but it's just funny to see what the law is trying to do.
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Yeah, taking twenty seconds to reply to a thread obviously makes it a big deal for me. Alright, I'll partake in the circlejerk.
omg like lol but they let apple phones be jailberken. American law so ridiculluss.
Huh.. i bought mine unlocked. What i think it's silly is carriers having it blocked in the first place.
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I'm not in the US, but frankly, who gives a sh*t..
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Huh.. i bought mine unlocked. What i think it's silly is carriers having it blocked in the first place.
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Exactly, good thing is it's illegal for carriers to sim lock phones in my country.
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Interesting that it says you can't even rip a CD if you are going to play it on a device without an optical drive. So will iTunes stop letting you rip CD' s to your iTunes account. Or will they let you rip it but block you from putting those songs onto your iPod, (or any other mp3 player).
If they do let me, and I ever got arrested, I'd try to get the DA to charge Apple as an accessory to the crime for not blocking me from doing it lol.
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Very funny, like megaupload thing and S.O.P.A.
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Huh.. i bought mine unlocked. What i think it's silly is carriers having it blocked in the first place.
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Carrier unlocked and bootloader unlocked are two different things.
Even though I don't unlock my phone ever, this is silly. Aren't there more important things they should be concerning themselves with?
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Here in Brazil, every phone is sold unlocked. And if we get a locked one, the carrier may unlock it for free.
Actually is illegal to sell locked phones.
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Even though I don't unlock my phone ever, this is silly. Aren't there more important things they should be concerning themselves with?
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So all of those roms in your signature, you have never flashed?
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Here in Brazil, every phone is sold unlocked. And if we get a locked one, the carrier may unlock it for free.
Actually is illegal to sell locked phones.
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Not what this thread is about.
So now I'll also feel the same heat from the fuzz about backing up my blue rays and DVDs to my htpc
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So all of those roms in your signature, you have never flashed?
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Not what this thread is about.
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The quote in the OP is referring to SIM unlocking not bootloader unlocking.
Well.. if this is the truth I'd be in jail for some time then
Stupid ****ing law if it were to pass. Not sure how they'd catch you.. I'd buy anything Google related anyway. Think America needs to worry about other issues besides gadgets. If I had the money to spend on a E-Flasher my ps3 would be down graded right now.
How dare you try to tell me what I can't and can do with MY device 'I' bought from you. If you want control over the product then **** you. I'll find something that don't want control and allow me to do whatever.
Just me though..
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People need to start being more proactive about voting some of these politicians out of office. Enough with sopa, pipa, etc.
In Germany there are no laws concerning that issue. However I assume that nobody cares, locked phones are (at least in Germany) usually sold with 2 year contracts - you can't get out of them (without paying a fine), so the carrier should give a sh*t on whether you use the services you pay for, or you pay twice to use other services.
www.androidauthority.com/htc-takes-down-rom-files-across-the-web-150757/
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This seems to be really poor timing on HTCs part, as they are trying to rebuild a public positive image, regain market share.
Killing this kind of resource is only shooting themselves in the foot. It pisses off the geeks that would otherwise give them good recommendations and reviews.
This kind of website costs HTC no money, incurred no losses. And, imho, actually Saves them money (in man hours) for tech support, as XDA does.
Foolish, HTC. Hope you're reading this.
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This seems to be really poor timing on HTCs part, as they are trying to rebuild a public positive image, regain market share.
Killing this kind of resource is only shooting themselves in the foot. It pisses off the geeks that would otherwise give them good recommendations and reviews.
This kind of website costs HTC no money, incurred no losses. And, imho, actually Saves them money (in man hours) for tech support, as XDA does.
Foolish, HTC. Hope you're reading this.
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It is probably tied to DMCA a lot of changes in the law happen tomorrow.
http://phandroid.com/2013/01/24/unlocking-phones-illegal/
That enforced my decision of no more htc devices
I was just thinking of posting this.
Well if its just the unlocking thing id never buy an unlicked phone.....those prices are crazy. Lol. I wish cell companies would be more accepting of the dev community. ...I mean half of their fixes come from there lol
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neopolotin75 said:
Well if its just the unlocking thing id never buy an unlicked phone.....those prices are crazy. Lol. I wish cell companies would be more accepting of the dev community. ...I mean half of their fixes come from there lol
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That isn't what the OP is about...it is about HTC issuing DMCA takedowns and then domain seizures of websites that host HTC firmwares and ROMs....meaning XDA might get punked.
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It is probably tied to DMCA a lot of changes in the law happen tomorrow.
http://phandroid.com/2013/01/24/unlocking-phones-illegal/
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No it is not. It still perfectly legal to jailbreak/root and ROM you phone. That law is specifically about carrier unlocking.
Lol I know what the op is about I posted it... I was referring to the law affecting unlocking phones and switching carriers. :thumbup:
Oops should hit the quote again
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Lol I know what the op is about I posted it... I was referring to the law affecting unlocking phones and switching carriers. :thumbup:
Oops should hit the quote again
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My bad
BTW it doesn't matter if you don't switch carriers, and just unlock your phone. Unlocking your handset without the branded carrier's permission is easily grounds for ETF and being kicked from said carrier if not getting legal action brought against you. For example, the SIM mod being worked on to allow us Sprint users to use GSM towers with a 3rd part SIM card is illegal on any phone purchased after tomorrow....as you are technically unlocking the phone. You can still have your Sprint contract and Sprint service, but that mod is illegal as of tomorrow on any phone purchased starting tomorrow.
AAMOF, that SIM card mod thread will probably be deleted and disappeared before too long.
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My bad
BTW it doesn't matter if you don't switch carriers, and just unlock your phone. Unlocking your handset without the branded carrier's permission is easily grounds for ETF and being kicked from said carrier if not getting legal action brought against you. For example, the SIM mod being worked on to allow us Sprint users to use GSM towers with a 3rd part SIM card is illegal on any phone purchased after tomorrow....as you are technically unlocking the phone. You can still have your Sprint contract and Sprint service, but that mod is illegal as of tomorrow on any phone purchased starting tomorrow.
AAMOF, that SIM card mod thread will probably be deleted and disappeared before too long.
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So that means it's legal for us since we purchased it before it's illegal
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i think this has happened a while back (with HTC also). they took down a website that hosted tons of old htc roms, some unmodded. it was a pretty popular site here. wish i could remember the details.
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So that means it's legal for us since we purchased it before it's illegal
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That is how I read it. But I am not a lawyer.
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Suddenly even happier I opted to get a note 2 instead of getting a new screen for my ltevo.
Ok I ordered a new glass *also*, but now it's just going to be a garage music player, google, and obd2 scanner device, or maybe a netflix / "smart tv" box for the bedroom. What will not be is my phone that gets carried around and seen doing neat stuff.
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My first htc device the Hero also the last htc device I purchased. Thank goodness I went with Samsung since the s2> s3> gn2
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I am so happy they are shooting themselves in the foot like in Blazing Saddles. It makes me so giddy! I dumped htc 4 years ago. Last device I bought was the tp2. I was so disgusted how poorly it ran and how the xv6700 out performed it. Plus remember the whole htc missing drivers deal? That set my hair on fire. I said to myself. ... "nat juan moar penny shall this dirty hor get fro thy!". Ever since I have been only buying samsung. Now I can actually rub my phones in apple fans faces. With htc, I was embarrassed to take it or if anyone had aiphone nearby. Thxs samsung.