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Hd2 to Defy?

Okay, so I am getting a little tired of my HD2 and received an offer to trade it for a Defy. Do you guys think it is worth it? My HD2 is running on Android Nand.

XPLANE9 said:
Okay, so I am getting a little tired of my HD2 and received an offer to trade it for a Defy. Do you guys think it is worth it? My HD2 is running on Android Nand.
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Defy is great, definitely the best value for money.
But, the HD2 is something like an "universal phone", so many devs on it. I would trade any other older phone for a defy but the hd2.. well, it would be difficult to make a decision..
ok, i didn't help you so much sorry

stay in hd2 because hd2 better than defy

Stick to the HD2, you'd probably miss the massive screen, plus the amount of devs on the hd2 is insane.

Defy > HD2

Why not? Defy is one year (eternity for smart phones) younger, has newer generation 45nm (hd2 65nm) cpu more efficient and faster even at lower clock, also faster gpu, larger rom, higher battery capacity, gorilla scratch resistant glass, water resistant...

i don't think changing to defy would make you happier.HD2 with 3 mobile OS is absolutely fantastic,no other phones could reach its height.So if you want to dev or custom android like HD2,i think HTC would be a better option,although Defy already has a 2nd-init

wonder why every one loves the defy so much

titles says it all.
you know i picked up my phone because im REAL ROUGH with my phones. (lost 2 to jetskis and 2 to just plan old wear and tear) i loved the idea of a phone that if it was raining i wouldnt have to worry about pulling it out and drowning it or if i banged my leg on something while at work i wouldnt destroy my phone.
Now i NEVER expected to have a phone that would see this much support. i mean motorola just put out the droid x, this phone is a little weird looking (i dont really like the white and black) it has a smaller screen then ur average smart phone and its not the most powerful thing out there.
But have any of u noticed the amount of love us defy owners are getting???? the phone was rooted REAL fast. we had 2.2 by what the 2nd month the phone was out. now we have 2nd init AND cm7 (2.3). i mean the droid x doesnt get anywhere near that much attention from the developers and people where SWEARING it was the big next thing.
honestly im just shocked that my phone is faster smoother and prettier then my friends droid x, then to top it off i can drop it into a puddle pick it up and start searching the web with no problems. its a beautiful beautiful thing
i just want to thank ALL the people that have become as taken with this phone as i have (who knew motorola could do something right) and then taken time out of there lives to make it better.

rugged but sexy, tough but fast and on top of it is android OS. ahh.. just the perfect blend. until motorola defy 2 comes out (which I hope is already planned) am sticking with this as my main phone along with my other devices. I even created a new xda account for the love of motorola defy. ;]

my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor but it must be implemented really well, his Galaxy ace cannot play snes and megadrive games smoothly where as they are spot on on my defy

its beautiful, fast, very well supported, amazing display, android os, rugged, and its the perfect size. i mean, 4" screen is too big for my hands, but 3.7" is just perfect. and of course, its by far the best phone for this price!
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Powerfull, compact, rugged, i like the all display design, superb reception, strong and clean speaker (when not defective) high resolution display, flash support, good graphic card, nice overclock, low price, better developers community ......what else?
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Defy has the personality/functionality of a water-resistant watch. So, when you come to think about it, that's exactly what a smart phone should be.

You got to touch it to know it...
It's not too big like HTC desire models and it's not too small you unable to type sms.
Features and functionality.. above posts said it all

Many reasons: first of all, the roughness. Then, it is easily customizable (something quite rare in a Motorola phone). Somehow, it was also very well coded, so things run smooth on it, even without overclocking (even though OC lets me play Modern Combat 2 with absolutely no lag). Also, nice display, very decent camera (specially after you enable 720p recording), and, most of all, the excellent cost-benefit. With the data plan I got from my carrier, it only costed me 50% more than a X8 or a Galaxy 5 would cost (149 reais - the currency here in Brazil - against R$99 of the SonyEricsson or the Samsung phones). The only other phone I saw such an active developing community was the HTC Magic (consequently, the HTC Dream, too). But, with the Defy's hardware, developers can do even more.

I bought the phone after 20 days of exclusive research on HTCs, SAMSUNGs, and offcourse MOTOs. considering the price, look, CPU, internal memory, toughness, .... it is by far the best available.
I would not regret buying it.

I wanted a new phone with a keyboard and android, there was nothing i liked out at the time so i got the defy because of the ruggedness. So far it's already saved itself and me from having to buy a replacement due to a large drink spill on a table.
I've also been the cause of a few different HTC's early retirements due to accidental dropping's and submerging them in liquid, so im very pleased with the defy.
Also mhz means nothing when your comparing completely different types of chips. And the 800mhz in the defy is very good.

To add, Defy is amazingly fairly priced. With all the ruggedness, you pretty much pay for 1 (toughphone or Andromobile, choose), get 2 for free.
Oh and we all love MotoBlur

I had to choose from a iPhone 3GS (8gb) SGS 1 and Moto Defy. Of course Defy . It's a well priced smartphone, good looking on black, powerfull and light. I got it for 99 euro's on 2 year 17 euro data plan but the price could have dropped to as much as 50 euro's depending on how much minutes and SMS you wanted.
I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.

For me it does everything i need it to do and more

Deonix said:
I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.
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Moto is in business since they released Droid/Milestone. Let's hope that they keep their word regarding the unlocked bootloader. Though I am also looking forward to Defy 2, it also means my Defy will become old when the upgrade comes out

Pros:
+ Compact. 3.7" Screen yet is more compact than the iPhone except in thickness.
+ Rugged. The only Android phone out that is durable.
+ Price.
Cons
- Not the latest Android
- Locked bootloader
- Camera is below average
- Faulty earpiece design (fixed?)

MrBelter said:
my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor
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The Defy is technically in the same class as the big phones, Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire, iPhone 4 etc, in terms of processing power and screen resolution.
Samsung Galaxy Ace is a mid-range phone similar to LG Optimus One. They are in a different class altogether.
IMVHO Motorola did a technical masterpiece with the Defy. Although the screen is almost as big as the iPhone 4 the area around the screen is minimal. They wasted almost no space.

Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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Raccroc said:
Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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That's an interesting phone :
Pro's :
-Even more rugged than the Defy
-A few more sensors than the Defy (Temperature and so on)
Con's :
-Very ugly phone
-USA Only
Pro & Con (At same time) : Froyo (Yes it comes with Froyo but the Defy can easily have 2.3.4 CM7 ,so still a win )
It is rugged and looks like one,but take in fact the Defy doesnt look at all rugged and it is.
Also you dont know its GPU,or if it has a dedicated one,Defy has a PowerVR 530 for sure.
Basically theire both good,depends on which you want to lean twards,for the most rugged but same time heavy(& ugly)phone,get the Casio,for just a rugged phone,get the Defy....and for a sensible plastic thingy,get anything else lol.
Respect

I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection. That's ok...

skattegat said:
I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection.
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What the ! which ROM are you using ? and did you clear off some useless apps?

[Q] Replacement for the Defy - U8800?

Hey all,
my Defy was stolen so I now have to find a replacement.
After looking at many devices and after comparing their specs I still believe that the Defy is a good buy. The price-performance ratio is just great! I also have to admit that I really liked my Defy and I wish nothing too good to the one who stole it.
However, as all of you know, the locked bootloader really sucks and prevents the Defy from being the legendary device it deserves to be.
Although the efforts of Quarx for bringing CM7 to the Defy are amazing and the leaked GB ROMs (DefyPlus?) ease the pain of being dependent on the goodwill of Motorola to a large extend when it comes to new Android releases, in a few month some of the known problems will arise anew.
So while I'm still a fan of the Defy, looking for alternatives with similar features (e.g. screen resolution, cam, display size) for a similar price brought me to the Ideos X5 (Huawei U8800).
Here is a comparison of both devices from GSMArena:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3514&idPhone2=3596
The U8800 seems be comparable and does not have a locked bootloader. However, compared to the awesome Defy community (you ), the community for the U8800 seems to be much smaller with only a few devs. This is the biggest downside for me.
I now like to have your opinion on this.
TIA,
cloogshizer

a lot of people bought the defy because of its toughness, if you do not consider that, u8800's advantage over defy would be its "Dolby Mobile sound enhancement" thingie, defy's speaker suck, i think u8800's aesthetics is much better than defy but i think that's just me

I've just replaced my Ideos X5 U8800 with a Defy. U8000 is pretty good, the only thing that kind of bothered me was that it was too big, it's wider and longer than Defy, not much, but noticeable when in the pocket.
They both have the same kind of processor, the U8000 was overclocked stable at 1200 MHz, same like Defy. And the dev. process is aprox. in the same stage for both, none of them have a stable Android 2.3 yet, still U8800 can record 720p, but the quality is not so good.
So, pretty much same phones, but I don't want back my U8800, mostly only because Defy is more compact.

nonsense91 said:
a lot of people bought the defy because of its toughness, if you do not consider that, u8800's advantage over defy would be its "Dolby Mobile sound enhancement" thingie, defy's speaker suck, i think u8800's aesthetics is much better than defy but i think that's just me
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Do you realy think that defy's speaker sucks? I think it outperforms many many phones.
GPU wise, u8800's adreno 205 has somewhat advantage over defy's PowerVR SGX530.
but if the 'higher' performance is not the biggest deal for you, concider buying the perfect size and robust defy again.

Drizzur Urden said:
Do you realy think that defy's speaker sucks? I think it outperforms many many phones.
GPU wise, u8800's adreno 205 has somewhat advantage over defy's PowerVR SGX530.
but if the 'higher' performance is not the biggest deal for you, concider buying the perfect size and robust defy again.
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yeah i do think the speaker sucks, outperforming many many phones doesn't mean it's great, it only means those many many phones also sucks
but if you remove that water filter that would be another story

nonsense91 said:
yeah i do think the speaker sucks, outperforming many many phones doesn't mean it's great, it only means those many many phones also sucks
but if you remove that water filter that would be another story
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if you mean earpiece, I definitly afgree with you. Replaced it with a K850i earpiece anyway.

U8800 appears to me a descent phone but hardware wise and quality was (Motorola being slow providing updates aside) I would pick Defy. But... You might want to hold on to your cash and save more for the upcoming Samsung Galaxy S Plus. Here is the info.
I will avoid picking a dual core CPU for now since Android is not truly optimised for it. The Samsung Galaxy S Plus offers single core 1.4 GHz. Good investment for the next version of Android. Both Defy and U8800 are not a good investment now that half of 2011 is almost over. Defy will be one year old very soon.

[Q] What is your next phone?

All of us bound to leave Defy one day to get something even better and this is something some of us might need to do sooner than later. I have to say Defy did serve me well as my first venture into smartphones. The very late buggy Android 2.2.2 release kind of dampened my appetite to keep using it for another six months.
The much talk about SGII and HTC Sensation some how don't appeal to me even though both are 10x better than Defy. Durability is not everything but it is a welcome addition design feature for a portable device such as handsets. After going through countless of phone reviews, comments, and opinions I decided not to go for a dual core CPU handset. Android is not going to be truly optimised to take advantage of both cores for sometime to come and also the lower battery usage of dual core CPUs are totally unfounded.
For my needs 1.2GHz or 1.4GHz single core CPU is more than adequate and perhaps a good investment as long as is ARM8 or ARM9 based chip. Also next phone must have 1GB of RAM and with at least a 4" (qHD) screen size. In fairness Motorola's qHD quality is far better than of HTC offerings. My priority needs for a portable device is reading (i.e., books, pdf files, and internet), writing (i.e., Text Messaging, Email, and short posts to internet), and occasional videos. I've been enjoying youtube over wifi with Defy 2.2.2 that never bothered to try on 2.1.
The only handset available in the UK that comes close to my ideal specs for next phone is SE Arc. When I hold Defy in my hand and then the ARC it just doesn't cut it for me. The cheap plastic feeling is really off putting. Looking at the upcoming handset list there is nothing appealing either.
What is your next phone after Defy? Have you recently bought a new phone after owning Defy? Should we wait for Defy II after the experience with Motorola? After all Motorola did conduct a survey about durability with Defy users in the UK so they must have a plan for the next Defy version.

My next phone will be DEFY2 or DEFY+......Or Nexus 3
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Although I'm kinda frustrated because the phones with physical keyboard are never top notch (I would love one but...), I would either go for one or a Nexus 3.
PS: I would only consider an open phone (no locked bootloders and stuff)

Defy 2 or Atrix ...
Atrix should be so fine, but seems to be reallu overpriced ...
Next generation of Defy will be fine ...
I wonbder to have a little more CPU, a better camera and a fullHD hdmi output video signal ...

Thank you for the responses so far.
@SeaFargo
I consider Atrix as a good phone but two things about it put me off, other than being Motorola's. 1. NVidia Tegra chip: NVidia trying so hard to increase market share for gaming platform. I'm not into games so I feel paying too much for my need. 2. WebTop on Atrix not only makes this phone expensive but also harder for Motorola to update it with every major version of Android. Another feature that I don't need.
@ifu & daniel_loft
I think Nexus 3 is going to be a mind blowing phone and indeed I will be keeping my eyes on it. If it was at the right price and solid built quality then I don't mind waiting for another six months for my next phone.

After trashing my previous phone, the ruggedness of the defy is really important to me. The defy is actually a brilliant phone, once you take off the motorola software. The motorola froyo is just filled with bugs. Also for what ever reason the phone is really slow. Put cyanogenmod on however and you have a brill phone.
Whatever my next phone is, I wont be getting one that has a locked down bootloader and motorola software. For now I'm happy with my CM Defy
Olly

I will go for a waterproof device for sure.
As i am still pretty happy with my defy, i will have a good time waiting for the next generation Defy or a similar high-end waterproof smartphone.
I have no need for a bigger display. I would rather like to have an even smaller device with the same screen size.

a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me

nonsense91 said:
a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me
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For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.

Defy 2 with unlocked bootloader of course!

Next generation of Defy or maybe some other waterproof smartphone
These specs are welcome :
-1Ghz dual-core
-min.1900 mAh battery
-4.0" screen
-1GB RAM
-720p recording
-USB On the go
-HDMI out
-unlocked bootloder ..

Id really hate to turn this into a "defy 2 wishlist" thread. but here it goes
unlike most other people, id like to see LESS ports.
Delete the headphone jack. Bluetooth audio works fine
Delete the Micro-USB port. Induction charging works.
Make the battery door screwed/bolted on.
the only real wholes should be speakers and mics, which can be made very waterproof. I hate this vaugeness and caution when testing our phones waterproofness. The phone should be really rugged.

I think I'll ver the next defy version, whatever it will be. If there is none, then I'll yo for the Milestone 3
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I just got a Defy, used, to fill in the time until my HD7 becomes useful ... as of now it can hardly do anything very well and I need a real smartphone.
Let me say that coming from a G2, then to the HD7, and now the Defy, this is the little phone that could! It feels tiny but there's something to be said for a small phone.
And Android is really shaping up to be a highly-functional OS!
This is a great little phone. Can't wait to get rid of MotoBlarghhhh.
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i am not going to leave my defy...but if i had a choice to buy a new one then it would be
MOTOROLA PHOTON 4G

CSharpHeaven said:
For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.
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I don't care about other 3d features, playing 3d movies and shooting 3d pictures and movies would be great for me

Lg 2x will b my next destiny.
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My number one priority for a phone is wifi calling. Blackberry (currently) with uma handles this better than Android.

I like 3D too. It looks like fun and theres nothing wrong with a little fun.

I think that my next phone will be something with Tegra, but i like Defy and i don't change phone soon
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[Q] Honest opinions needed - X10 to Defy or wait?

I currently have an Xperia X10, I've had it since it came out in Canada. I've had numerous roms on it etc, I'm currently on stock 2.3.
Anyway, I'm getting frustrated with my carrier, and the phone... lack of touch sensitivity and other issues are driving me crazy.
I've also picked up an EEE Transformer, so I find myself using my phone less and less for "intensive" things. I used to have to use it for email/files/etc at work, but not anymore. I'm thinking now I want a phone that's more "utility" vs "powerhouse".
I'm thinking of getting a Defy. It's $49 on contract, $379 without.
Other options are: Nexus S, or wait (not sure how long) for a Galaxy S2 X (hercules)., but I like the water resistance and toughness of the Defy.
Not sure if the Defy+ is coming to the carrier.
How does the Defy compare to the X10 in terms of speed? I know about the smaller screen etc, but hows the raw performance? Are the Gingerbread ROMs solid?
Thanks in advance.

A no official gb rom...
Cm and miui rock!
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In terms of performance a bit better than the x10 (on custom rom's at least) but less screen. Galaxy S2 much better. BUT not water resistant.
The resistant is nice 'in case of' but you can't count on it.
Galaxy s2 t-mobile (hercules) sounds really good, big display and fast hardware. I do think this will be really expansive.

The defy is good and will be all u require if u r ready to use custom roms ...but if it were me I'd wait for the defy plus

Well i would go for nexus S. Decent processor and camera, AWESOME display and GPU and of course full google support (after all it`s their phone right?) + pretty good support for it here, on XDA
If you don`t like nexus S, you can go for Defy of course (decent specs + "life proof") but, try to get one with red lens for HD recording.

Nexus S tbh.
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If i were you i would go for an Atrix. The Motorola Atrix is the best phone i used. Excellent touch responsiveness, great 4 inch display (It's nice to read in that screen and the display resolution is enough for all your needs) It's not so expensive, remember it has a Dual Core processor with a Tegra 2 GPU from Nvidia wich will give you better performance and it will response in most of hard use situations as fast as you would need. It also has many accesories such like the Laptop, the multimedia dock, the standard dock and a full size USB keyboard. And that's not all, it has a 1940 mAh battery and also you'll be able to visit overclocking and undervolting thread to speed up your processor and undervolt it to extend its battery life. It come by default with Android Froyo 2.2, not the best option for a high end phone, but it is fully functional and compatible with most of the market's applications. I think it would be the best choice you could make. In a near future it will be updated to Android Gingerbread, wich has new features and better perfomance. Go for it, you won't regret. Galaxy S II is as good as Motorola Atrix, the difference is the display inches, the AMOLED Plus screen, and the CPU's speed. But it doesn't include Tegra 2, and in mine opinion, Motorola is better in quality. You can also lock your Phone using the Fingerprint feature, nice, isn't it? Look for it.

I have Defy about 5 mounts, it great, i will get it again I will not get Atrix, cause a Pentile display (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family) on Defy i can play every Tegra game, and NVidia' chip not offers something special, about me. I not buy and Nexus S, not a Samsung fan, but best phone at this time not even Samsung Galaxy S2 or stupid 3D lame, it's LG Optimus Black, such a greatest display i ever saw, NOVA, low-power, great colors so real and dynamic. About me if you wait you will get phone with HQ resolution 1280x720 and new technology, it's will be best, i don't know, but it's your decision, good luck.

see this please...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1263238
and this...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17569351&postcount=3

I also change from a X10 (2.3) to a Defy (2.2) two weeks ago... I was looking for an outdoor android phone and was tired to wait for the Xperia active (which will have a low res screen).
I am 90% satisfied by my new Defy... not 100% because of the GPS problem which sometime freeze the phone.
Everything is very reactive, sound is much much better and screnn resolution is the same as the Xperia, so you hae exactly the same "view" as with an Xêria when surfing the net.
I still use my X10, as backup phone or as navigation system, at least as long as i don't find how to fix the Defy GPS.

GreG. said:
I also change from a X10 (2.3) to a Defy (2.2) two weeks ago... I was looking for an outdoor android phone and was tired to wait for the Xperia active (which will have a low res screen).
I am 90% satisfied by my new Defy... not 100% because of the GPS problem which sometime freeze the phone.
Everything is very reactive, sound is much much better and screnn resolution is the same as the Xperia, so you hae exactly the same "view" as with an Xêria when surfing the net.
I still use my X10, as backup phone or as navigation system, at least as long as i don't find how to fix the Defy GPS.
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If you are on Stock 2.2, your issue is most likely caused by the VM eating all your memory, causing first the phone to lag like hell, and then rebooting itself.
Go to the Beginners Guide and check out on common problems this "Stock Froyo sometimes lags and/or freezes the phone"
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