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[COMP]desire or x10?

ok, iv'e got some decidingto do
though my work, I can get an x10 for half the price, special deal we got now.
originally im waiting for desire, but these are the factors:
x10 pros:
half price
aviliable two weeks before desire
bigger screen
better camera
x10 cons
Sony Ericsson have less experience with developing phones with android
android 1.6 (for now anyway)
desire pros
made by htc, better experience developing android phones
android 2.1
a bit sexier
desire cons
have to pay full price
have to wait a bit longer for it
i kinda feel that i want desire, what would you guys do, and why?

I feel the X10 is sexier but TOO big
Waiting more for Desire? Not really
It will be out next week in some countries and by 6 April in all countries, X10 will come out in that same period too
The desire will be way cheaper than X10
x10 = 550 Euros
Desire = 420 Euros

arxx said:
ok, iv'e got some decidingto do
though my work, I can get an x10 for half the price, special deal we got now.
originally im waiting for desire, but these are the factors:
x10 pros:
half price
aviliable two weeks before desire
bigger screen
better camera
x10 cons
Sony Ericsson have less experience with developing phones with android
android 1.6 (for now anyway)
desire pros
made by htc, better experience developing android phones
android 2.1
a bit sexier
desire cons
have to pay full price
have to wait a bit longer for it
i kinda feel that i want desire, what would you guys do, and why?
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if you are ok with paying the full price (money wise) I suggest that you get the desire, HTC have more experience in making android devices .. and the HTC Sense interface is as efficient as it is pretty
but you know, i dont believe someone here in the "Desire section" will recommend you to get the X10 anyways so i suggest you go read reviews (or hands-on) about both as much as you can and then decide what to get

the desire has also the brilliant amoled-screen and the x10 just lcd-panel.
i would prefer the desire.

X10:
-More expensive
-Too big for pocket (Desire is just ok thanks to 11.9mm)
-Screen actually limited to 65k because of OS 1.6
-OS 2.1 will be available ''somewhere'' between June and October
-Much less ROM devs
-Price depreciation is pretty fast
+ SE build quality (I am a 10y old SE fanboy)
+ Multimedia (better camera and sound)
The only thing that I wouldn't like with Desire is the camera that could have been 8mp, but for all the rest it's a winner

I wouldn't get a SonyEricsson smartphone ever again. Essentially they buy some of the features from HTC and then try to create their own "features" on top of it. Problem ist: SE features really suck, because they have *much* less experience.
I'd get a Desire, if you can afford it.

vegetaleb said:
X10:
-More expensive
-Too big for pocket (Desire is just ok thanks to 11.9mm) they have the same thickness
-Screen actually limited to 65k because of OS 1.6 it will probably ship with 2.0, hence the delay
-OS 2.1 will be available ''somewhere'' between June and October above and custom rom will be avaible soon
-Much less ROM devs true
-Price depreciation is pretty fast
+ SE build quality (I am a 10y old SE fanboy)
+ Multimedia (better camera and sound)
+bigger and better screen
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Im really struggling to make up my mind which one to get.

screen isnt better at all, its just an old lcd-panel
the desire has amoled

Choose Desire, AMOLED screen (type of OLED screen).
It is much efficient, especially if you use quite a lot of black colors as your theme:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED
Power consumption
While an OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image which is primarily black, for the majority of images, it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD - however it can use over three times as much power to display an image with a white background[53] such as a document or website. This can lead to disappointing real-world battery life in mobile devices.
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Probably I will just change the background to simply black and see if it has some effects on battery life
The .3" diff in screen size is not much. Think about it, take a ruler and measure it
And dont forget, the HTC Desire RAM is 576MB compared to x10 384MB, that's a big deal for performance during multitask (you will do this for sure).
8 MP camera does not do justice compare to 5MP, the sensor is too tiny anyway. In fact, the 5MP will produce cleaner image (less noise).
Also, HTC Desire has "optical trackpad", but I am not sure how effective is this ... Anyone know if this can substitute a D-Pad? For example during browsing
And x10 is ugly ... my taste
Found x10 unboxing and hands-on:
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/03/sony-ericsson-x10-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Again, after watched it, I will take HTC Desire anyday!

From the Brilliant Mind that Gave us "Death To PegHelp.exe" now comes the Thread Title Addition... Drumrol....
[COMP]
[COMP] is only to be used in Device to Device Comparisons in General Chats.
In this Pre Existing Desire Period.
So [COMP] for Roms vs Roms is still a nono in XDA-Land.
Any [COMP] done in a fashionable manor without Childish Mud throwing won't be trashed or closed.
XDA-developers in General does not encourage to start [COMP] Threads.

I am in Canada, Rogers is suppose to get X10 by April 14. The phone would cost around 199.99 CAD. I was also confused about what to get, 199.99 CAD vs ~600 CAD? Then I realized that if a spend only 200.00 in this phone then probably I can get other cheaper phones from china later such as http://www.slashgear.com/lenovo-lephone-gets-officially-pictured-1169432/
there are many other cheap chinese phone of really low cost. So I am going to save money and later get cheaper chinese phones

arxx said:
ok, iv'e got some decidingto do
though my work, I can get an x10 for half the price, special deal we got now.
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I was originally looking at the X10 until I found the Desire. There will be much better support for the Desire on xda and SE are not very good at updating firmware.
Can't you get the X10 at half price and then sell it on ebay? You would probably get pretty much the whole price for the Desire.

Personally i prefer SE, because i am too kinda SE fanboy. However i would say that HTC having more experience with Android did not screw up with the keyboard as SE did with its x10. It might be also that it will be corrected in the final version, lets hopes so. there is an engadget review of it, i hope it helps.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/22/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-review/

i played around with an x10 a couple of weeks ago in a congress.
The phone feels choppy for having a 1ghz processor, android 1.6 doesn't work really well with the 480x800 resolution, everything is small, the notification bar is barelly readable. SE reskinned the music player app in a nice way, the timeline ui is just a widget to put in a page and is a bit slow but nice looking. The capacitive touch wasn't really reactive, don't know if was the device i was testing, but sometimes i had to click the icons or swipe repeatedly to make it work.
personal impressions? 5/10 i'll never buy it, never saw a 1ghz device reacting so slowly to commands.

vegetaleb said:
X10:
-More expensive
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Well, not when he gets it half-off. I would still go for the Desire, though.
If you can afford using 7000ish NOK at once, why not do what norm2002 suggested, and get the X10 at half price to sell on eBay or Finn.no, and get the Desire for your own use?

I was torn between the X10, N1 and Desire. In the end it was an easy decision for me.
Desire (Sense) has exchange mail/contact/calendar sync. GAME OVER
EDIT: Yes, I know "there is an app for that" but I save US$0.99

[Q] Would you recommend the G2?

Hello,
I have been wanting to replace my bricked Galaxy S with one of the below smartphones:
- T-Mobile G2
- Nexus One
- HTC Leo/HD2
- Nexus S
The requirements for my selection include:
- The ability to function under the AWS 1700/2100 frequency
- The ability to utilize MicroSD storage (Nexus S fails in this category)
- Have a reasonably good/congenial screen size and resolution
- Have a variety of custom ROMs and modifications
- The ability to use LED notifications
- Have a good build and be considerably capable, perdurable and dependable in terms of both hardware and software (unrelenting to software defects such as bricking, and hardware flaws).
I would be very grateful if you, the owners of the G2, would kindly reflect upon your overall experiences with your device and inform me of the phones pros and cons. I would also be thankfully open to any recommendations regarding my selection.
Thank you very much.

Okay bro i have both G2 and a Nexus S... I like both phones but in my own opinion i think the nexus S is kinda better. I love Pure stock android
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA Premium App

Pros:
Great keyboard
Can use the LED (only if rooted...unless there an app for that)
Cons:
The loose hinge
Screen wobbles due to the screen
The back cover can start peeling its silver metal finish
The matte finish all around the phone can change color over time. (fixable with a case/ i prefer a clear case to show off its sexiness while still being protected)
Using a case causes the matte finish to chip off very tiny pieces. -___-
I kinda want a mytouch4g. I'm not a keyboard user...
You should wait because Galaxy SII, hTc Pyramid, and other great devices are coming out. I suggest you wait a little longer

I don't find the necessity to buy a dual-core phone. I am buying these phones because of their great development also, something that the Galaxy S line lacks.
I personally love HTC Sense UI also, therefore leaning my decision towards buying HTC branded phones. I also want the phones to be reasonably priced (under 450 or so), unlike the new dual cores which may cost more than 600$.

arianR10 said:
I don't find the necessity to buy a dual-core phone. I am buying these phones because of their great development also, something that the Galaxy S line lacks.
I personally love HTC Sense UI also, therefore leaning my decision towards buying HTC branded phones. I also want the phones to be reasonably priced (under 450 or so), unlike the new dual cores which may cost more than 600$.
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The only reason I got a G2 is because it was free on tmobile.com last month..
Pros:
fast for 800mhz
Keyboard is great (3 quick keys come in handy)
@ and www./.com key is great
Decent size screen
Camera qual is good
4G network
Easily rooted and good custom roms
Hinge isn't as bad as people make it out to be
Froyo is cool for stock
Cons:
Preloaded google apps suck (root to remove)
Battery life (stock)
Network Card isn't that great for 4g service
4rows on keyboard rather than 5 (non dedicated numbers)
Micro-USB port isn't in the best spot
MicroSD slot under battery is annoying
Camera hardward button is a tad laggy
LED is only white (track pad)
Track pad isn't the greatest
Screen wobble is easily fixed by keeping the sides of ur index fingers placed on
the screen edges.
No sense but romable!
The hidden memory lmao
Id recommend moving away from tmobile altogether.
The evo shift is better than this on sprint. Or get a dual core phone

It looks like I have no other option but to go for the HD2. I want to use the phones on Mobilicity/Wind's AWS frequency here in Canada, with their cheap unlimited plans costing a maximum of 45$. Therefore, because the Nexus S has no Ext. SD slot and both Nexus' are equally expensive when bought without a contract, i will have to opt for either the HD2 or the G2; which in this case melodicjunkie's review of the G2 deprecates the device.
The fact that the HD2 is versatile and can run WP7 and Android (Sense, Cyanogen, Gingerbread, Honeycomb) makes it a more worthy selection. However there is some quality of the G2 which still attracts me to it.
I'd go for the Desire HD if it would run on AWS frequency, however I must sigh because it does not.

The G2 is a newer phone than the HD2, so it runs a lot better, especially since it runs Android natively, which the HD2 just really can't compete in terms of actual performance. I have both phones right now, so I speak from experience.
HD2 Pros:
Screen size is sexy, but can be too big for some people at 4.3"
Can run WinMo, WP7, Android, Meego, Ubuntu. Lots of variety.
Lots of development going on, but only a handful for each OS are quality in my opinion.
Cons:
No trackpad/trackball
Older processor
Android is not as smooth as on the G2
No hardware camera button
Boot times are ridiculously long compared to the G2
G2 Pros:
Nearly stock Android 2.2
Newer processor runs faster at 800Mhz than HD2 at 1Ghz
Rooted, the phone can be OC'd ridiculous amounts
Clockspeed for clockspeed, G2 always beats HD2 on all benchmarks
Physical keyboard is one the best I've ever used
Trackpad does its job
Camera button
Not as much dev work as the HD2, but it's growing and it is quality work
CM support. Nuff said.
Cons:
Cannot charge with the phone off. Always goes into recovery. It's annoying.
Trackpad gets a bit wonky under direct incandescent light
Google bloatware, though some of it I do actually use
Hinge is loose, but it doesn't bother me and the screen doesn't wiggle on mine
Not very many LED colors to choose from, even when rooted
Wish it were a 5 row keyboard like the G1
Battery life kinda sucks stock, but rooted, it is greatly improved
Wish the screen were 4", but it is okay where it is
Overall, I began using the G2 daily once I got it and rooted it with CM. Haven't looked back since. The G2 outperforms the HD2 on all aspects for me. It just seems to have a more premium feeling to it because of the extra metal accents on the front of the phone. It feels more solid and seems like it can take more abuse than the HD2 due to a smaller screen size.
Hope this helps

The HD2 is outdated and slow.. lol @tazz9690 = if the hd2 boot time is slower than that's sad because the G2 boot time (non rooted) is sloowww lol.
As for recovery charge, that's only when rooted but yes that is annoying.
The G2 is perfectly fine for 100dollars contract.. the highest id pay for this phone (contract or not) is
150 USD. Maybe 200 if I didn't already know how to root and it were rooted. For 0 dollars with contract it was literally a steal, but let's just say if the Evo shift was the same deal ida got that instantly.
Don't get the slow HD2.
If you want tmobile that bad get the mytouch 4 for the front cam.. no keyboard but so what?
Or you can wait for the sidekick 4g (sarcasm) although 1ghz sidekick! Lmao

I actually had the HD2. I currently have the G2 and the Nexus One.
I'd advise against the HD2. I'm currently running the Nexus One with Miui which will partition the sdcard on it own to allow more apps. The first time I used the Nexus One with CM7 I realized that not all my apps from the G2 were gonna fit the Nexus One. The N1 has a very low internal memory as appose to the G2. Again, Miui roms auto partition your sdcard to allow more apps to fix without the hassle of moving them over manually. You can manually partition the sdcard to allow more apps on CM7.
I really like the Nexus One (just bought it). I'm currently using the N1, and what I really like about it is that mostly all types of roms, sense, stock android, CM7, and Miui work flawless.
Keyboard on the G2 is awesome. You can't go wrong with a G2 or an N1.

I never used the N1. I wanted it when it came out but never got it. The N1 is very stable and sleek as for what I've seen and for what I've been told.
Id go with the G2 over the N1. The g2 had a baby and N1 was born.. or the N1 is the younger brother.. either direction you wanna go, get the G2 over the N1.
I'm still saying wait for a dualcore Tmobile..
The phone I really want is the Incredible S

melodicjunkie said:
let's just say if the Evo shift was the same deal ida got that instantly.
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Not a big fan of the keyboard layout of the shift, otherwise I would get it. Can't change that about the phone though.
melodicjunkie said:
The g2 had a baby and N1 was born.. or the N1 is the younger brother.. either direction you wanna go, get the G2 over the N1.
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Even though the N1 came before the G2, so it would literally be impossible for that outcome to be possible. It's more like, the N1 had a son and it turned out to be Chuck Norris. Major upgrade XD

Get a MyTouch4G. Fast processor, 768MB RAM, FFC, lots of development, easy to root. Looks better in real life and feels great in the hand. The black one has soft touch rubber around the sides while the others are just plastic so go for black. You wont regret it, definitely an underrated phone.
It is essentially the DesireHD with a smaller screen (3.8" but still the same resolution).
It meets all your criteria. I think you will be pleased.

tazz9690 said:
Not a big fan of the keyboard layout of the shift, otherwise I would get it. Can't change that about the phone though.
Even though the N1 came before the G2, so it would literally be impossible for that outcome to be possible. It's more like, the N1 had a son and it turned out to be Chuck Norris. Major upgrade XD
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I was saying in terms of specs/size? The n1 was a trackball (old gen), no keyboard..
The n1 is a mega mytouch 3g.
Get a mytouch 4 black.

joeyklatzko said:
Get a MyTouch4G. Fast processor, 768MB RAM, FFC, lots of development, easy to root. Looks better in real life and feels great in the hand. The black one has soft touch rubber around the sides while the others are just plastic so go for black. You wont regret it, definitely an underrated phone.
It is essentially the DesireHD with a smaller screen (3.8" but still the same resolution).
It meets all your criteria. I think you will be pleased.
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I'm thinking this would be a great choice for you. I picked G2 over it because of the keyboard, but either phone is a great choice. MT4G has a little bit better specs though, since it has more ram and it's CPU is clocked 200mhz higher at stock (that's easily fixed if you root either phone). I'm more than happy with the G2; every phone has it's quirks, and that's why there are so many on the market. IMO this is the best phone on the market with a keyboard, although I haven't tried the Evo Shift yet (same internal hardware as G2/DZ though).

If my G1 were still functional, I'd be using it today even though I would've been due for an upgrade in October..

arianR10 said:
Hello,
I have been wanting to replace my bricked Galaxy S with one of the below smartphones:
- T-Mobile G2
- Nexus One
- HTC Leo/HD2
- Nexus S
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Of these choices the G2 is what I'd pick but as others have suggested I'd actually recommend the MyTouch 4G.
The G2 keyboard is not that good (compared to the G1 anyways) and thanks to Swype I rarely use it. Since the MT4G doesn't have a keyboard you have more case options.
MT4G is faster
MT4G has physical buttons for home, back & menu unlike the lame soft-keys found on the G2 and most other phones today.
Both have decent custom ROM support

I kindly thank all of you whom have posted and guided my decision-making towards buying the most worthy mobile smartphone out of my criteria.
Again, thank you

arianR10 said:
I kindly thank all of you whom have posted and guided my decision-making towards buying the most worthy mobile smartphone out of my criteria.
Again, thank you
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So which one are you going to get?
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

I had a premonition I was going to be asked this question. hah!
I am simply going to wait for the HTC Pyramid or for the Incredible S to decrease in price, then I will make me selection. It feels slightly awkward to purchase a N1 or an HD2 as it would feel somewhat like a downgrade from my previous powerhouse phone, the Galaxy S.
Although I must say that I find it extremely difficult and frustrating to wait for the later smartphone releases (Incredible S, Pyramid). Therefore I am truly lost as to whether I should buy an HTC phone compatible with AWS now, or whether I should wait for future dual-core HTCs.

arianR10 said:
I had a premonition I was going to be asked this question. hah!
I am simply going to wait for the HTC Pyramid or for the Incredible S to decrease in price, then I will make me selection. It feels slightly awkward to purchase a N1 or an HD2 as it would feel somewhat like a downgrade from my previous powerhouse phone, the Galaxy S.
Although I must say that I find it extremely difficult and frustrating to wait for the later smartphone releases (Incredible S, Pyramid). Therefore I am truly lost as to whether I should buy an HTC phone compatible with AWS now, or whether I should wait for future dual-core HTCs.
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Look, if you have a phone now: what's the rush? Who knows what kind of bugs these new phones will have. Id rather risk buying a release date kick ass phone, than to buy outdated hardware. Even the sidekick 4g is better than the hd2.. and the sidekick 4g is a freaking joke!
get the pyramid.. I'm getting it to replace the g2, that must tell u sumtin...
Cmon, 8mp cam, front facing one as well.. stocked 1.2 ghz (I do that rooted on g2), you can. only imagine the rooting capabilites on the pyramid.. 2.3ghz overclock?? Maybe, because of the dual core processor and ram..
And to top it off, a phone like that seems odd to have a physical keyboard, which looks sick! The sleak design is amazing, especially the back.

[Q] What is your next phone?

All of us bound to leave Defy one day to get something even better and this is something some of us might need to do sooner than later. I have to say Defy did serve me well as my first venture into smartphones. The very late buggy Android 2.2.2 release kind of dampened my appetite to keep using it for another six months.
The much talk about SGII and HTC Sensation some how don't appeal to me even though both are 10x better than Defy. Durability is not everything but it is a welcome addition design feature for a portable device such as handsets. After going through countless of phone reviews, comments, and opinions I decided not to go for a dual core CPU handset. Android is not going to be truly optimised to take advantage of both cores for sometime to come and also the lower battery usage of dual core CPUs are totally unfounded.
For my needs 1.2GHz or 1.4GHz single core CPU is more than adequate and perhaps a good investment as long as is ARM8 or ARM9 based chip. Also next phone must have 1GB of RAM and with at least a 4" (qHD) screen size. In fairness Motorola's qHD quality is far better than of HTC offerings. My priority needs for a portable device is reading (i.e., books, pdf files, and internet), writing (i.e., Text Messaging, Email, and short posts to internet), and occasional videos. I've been enjoying youtube over wifi with Defy 2.2.2 that never bothered to try on 2.1.
The only handset available in the UK that comes close to my ideal specs for next phone is SE Arc. When I hold Defy in my hand and then the ARC it just doesn't cut it for me. The cheap plastic feeling is really off putting. Looking at the upcoming handset list there is nothing appealing either.
What is your next phone after Defy? Have you recently bought a new phone after owning Defy? Should we wait for Defy II after the experience with Motorola? After all Motorola did conduct a survey about durability with Defy users in the UK so they must have a plan for the next Defy version.

My next phone will be DEFY2 or DEFY+......Or Nexus 3
Sent from my toilet using my Motorola DEFY

Although I'm kinda frustrated because the phones with physical keyboard are never top notch (I would love one but...), I would either go for one or a Nexus 3.
PS: I would only consider an open phone (no locked bootloders and stuff)

Defy 2 or Atrix ...
Atrix should be so fine, but seems to be reallu overpriced ...
Next generation of Defy will be fine ...
I wonbder to have a little more CPU, a better camera and a fullHD hdmi output video signal ...

Thank you for the responses so far.
@SeaFargo
I consider Atrix as a good phone but two things about it put me off, other than being Motorola's. 1. NVidia Tegra chip: NVidia trying so hard to increase market share for gaming platform. I'm not into games so I feel paying too much for my need. 2. WebTop on Atrix not only makes this phone expensive but also harder for Motorola to update it with every major version of Android. Another feature that I don't need.
@ifu & daniel_loft
I think Nexus 3 is going to be a mind blowing phone and indeed I will be keeping my eyes on it. If it was at the right price and solid built quality then I don't mind waiting for another six months for my next phone.

After trashing my previous phone, the ruggedness of the defy is really important to me. The defy is actually a brilliant phone, once you take off the motorola software. The motorola froyo is just filled with bugs. Also for what ever reason the phone is really slow. Put cyanogenmod on however and you have a brill phone.
Whatever my next phone is, I wont be getting one that has a locked down bootloader and motorola software. For now I'm happy with my CM Defy
Olly

I will go for a waterproof device for sure.
As i am still pretty happy with my defy, i will have a good time waiting for the next generation Defy or a similar high-end waterproof smartphone.
I have no need for a bigger display. I would rather like to have an even smaller device with the same screen size.

a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me

nonsense91 said:
a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me
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For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.

Defy 2 with unlocked bootloader of course!

Next generation of Defy or maybe some other waterproof smartphone
These specs are welcome :
-1Ghz dual-core
-min.1900 mAh battery
-4.0" screen
-1GB RAM
-720p recording
-USB On the go
-HDMI out
-unlocked bootloder ..

Id really hate to turn this into a "defy 2 wishlist" thread. but here it goes
unlike most other people, id like to see LESS ports.
Delete the headphone jack. Bluetooth audio works fine
Delete the Micro-USB port. Induction charging works.
Make the battery door screwed/bolted on.
the only real wholes should be speakers and mics, which can be made very waterproof. I hate this vaugeness and caution when testing our phones waterproofness. The phone should be really rugged.

I think I'll ver the next defy version, whatever it will be. If there is none, then I'll yo for the Milestone 3
Sent from my MB525 using Tapatalk

I just got a Defy, used, to fill in the time until my HD7 becomes useful ... as of now it can hardly do anything very well and I need a real smartphone.
Let me say that coming from a G2, then to the HD7, and now the Defy, this is the little phone that could! It feels tiny but there's something to be said for a small phone.
And Android is really shaping up to be a highly-functional OS!
This is a great little phone. Can't wait to get rid of MotoBlarghhhh.
Sent from my Defy using XDA Premium App

i am not going to leave my defy...but if i had a choice to buy a new one then it would be
MOTOROLA PHOTON 4G

CSharpHeaven said:
For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.
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I don't care about other 3d features, playing 3d movies and shooting 3d pictures and movies would be great for me

Lg 2x will b my next destiny.
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My number one priority for a phone is wifi calling. Blackberry (currently) with uma handles this better than Android.

I like 3D too. It looks like fun and theres nothing wrong with a little fun.

I think that my next phone will be something with Tegra, but i like Defy and i don't change phone soon
Sorry for my English

[Q] Honest opinions needed - X10 to Defy or wait?

I currently have an Xperia X10, I've had it since it came out in Canada. I've had numerous roms on it etc, I'm currently on stock 2.3.
Anyway, I'm getting frustrated with my carrier, and the phone... lack of touch sensitivity and other issues are driving me crazy.
I've also picked up an EEE Transformer, so I find myself using my phone less and less for "intensive" things. I used to have to use it for email/files/etc at work, but not anymore. I'm thinking now I want a phone that's more "utility" vs "powerhouse".
I'm thinking of getting a Defy. It's $49 on contract, $379 without.
Other options are: Nexus S, or wait (not sure how long) for a Galaxy S2 X (hercules)., but I like the water resistance and toughness of the Defy.
Not sure if the Defy+ is coming to the carrier.
How does the Defy compare to the X10 in terms of speed? I know about the smaller screen etc, but hows the raw performance? Are the Gingerbread ROMs solid?
Thanks in advance.

A no official gb rom...
Cm and miui rock!
Sent from My Mind using the Brainwaves...

In terms of performance a bit better than the x10 (on custom rom's at least) but less screen. Galaxy S2 much better. BUT not water resistant.
The resistant is nice 'in case of' but you can't count on it.
Galaxy s2 t-mobile (hercules) sounds really good, big display and fast hardware. I do think this will be really expansive.

The defy is good and will be all u require if u r ready to use custom roms ...but if it were me I'd wait for the defy plus

Well i would go for nexus S. Decent processor and camera, AWESOME display and GPU and of course full google support (after all it`s their phone right?) + pretty good support for it here, on XDA
If you don`t like nexus S, you can go for Defy of course (decent specs + "life proof") but, try to get one with red lens for HD recording.

Nexus S tbh.
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If i were you i would go for an Atrix. The Motorola Atrix is the best phone i used. Excellent touch responsiveness, great 4 inch display (It's nice to read in that screen and the display resolution is enough for all your needs) It's not so expensive, remember it has a Dual Core processor with a Tegra 2 GPU from Nvidia wich will give you better performance and it will response in most of hard use situations as fast as you would need. It also has many accesories such like the Laptop, the multimedia dock, the standard dock and a full size USB keyboard. And that's not all, it has a 1940 mAh battery and also you'll be able to visit overclocking and undervolting thread to speed up your processor and undervolt it to extend its battery life. It come by default with Android Froyo 2.2, not the best option for a high end phone, but it is fully functional and compatible with most of the market's applications. I think it would be the best choice you could make. In a near future it will be updated to Android Gingerbread, wich has new features and better perfomance. Go for it, you won't regret. Galaxy S II is as good as Motorola Atrix, the difference is the display inches, the AMOLED Plus screen, and the CPU's speed. But it doesn't include Tegra 2, and in mine opinion, Motorola is better in quality. You can also lock your Phone using the Fingerprint feature, nice, isn't it? Look for it.

I have Defy about 5 mounts, it great, i will get it again I will not get Atrix, cause a Pentile display (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family) on Defy i can play every Tegra game, and NVidia' chip not offers something special, about me. I not buy and Nexus S, not a Samsung fan, but best phone at this time not even Samsung Galaxy S2 or stupid 3D lame, it's LG Optimus Black, such a greatest display i ever saw, NOVA, low-power, great colors so real and dynamic. About me if you wait you will get phone with HQ resolution 1280x720 and new technology, it's will be best, i don't know, but it's your decision, good luck.

see this please...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1263238
and this...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17569351&postcount=3

I also change from a X10 (2.3) to a Defy (2.2) two weeks ago... I was looking for an outdoor android phone and was tired to wait for the Xperia active (which will have a low res screen).
I am 90% satisfied by my new Defy... not 100% because of the GPS problem which sometime freeze the phone.
Everything is very reactive, sound is much much better and screnn resolution is the same as the Xperia, so you hae exactly the same "view" as with an Xêria when surfing the net.
I still use my X10, as backup phone or as navigation system, at least as long as i don't find how to fix the Defy GPS.

GreG. said:
I also change from a X10 (2.3) to a Defy (2.2) two weeks ago... I was looking for an outdoor android phone and was tired to wait for the Xperia active (which will have a low res screen).
I am 90% satisfied by my new Defy... not 100% because of the GPS problem which sometime freeze the phone.
Everything is very reactive, sound is much much better and screnn resolution is the same as the Xperia, so you hae exactly the same "view" as with an Xêria when surfing the net.
I still use my X10, as backup phone or as navigation system, at least as long as i don't find how to fix the Defy GPS.
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If you are on Stock 2.2, your issue is most likely caused by the VM eating all your memory, causing first the phone to lag like hell, and then rebooting itself.
Go to the Beginners Guide and check out on common problems this "Stock Froyo sometimes lags and/or freezes the phone"
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Whats replacing the defy as a tough phone

Hi everyone
I need defy users to help me decide on my next phone as upgrade time is here and I need to upgrade or move to another provider I'm currently with orange UK and all they have as upgrades are iphones and Samsung galaxies but I like how tough my defy is and don't want to upgrade for these reasons.
the Samsung galaxy sIII has gorilla glass v2 on it but i want the ip rating has anyone else here had the same issue with moving from the defy as the UK providers dont seem to have any tough phones.
I love the defy to bits its perfect for me I can take it out on the boat get it hammered in waves and still use it, use it in the british weather, go fishing with it the only downside is how the touch screen jumps all over the place when its wet I'm currently running jelly bean nightly builds on the gingerbread kernel with a defy MB525 with red lens and its a great phone with great dev support.
I've only ever owned two android phones the G1 and the defy all other phones were windows mobile htc phones and by the time my contract was up the phones i previosly owned were battered had bits replaced or hacked to get working again but the defy has lasted me through an entire 18 month contract perfectly intact its an ace phone.
the only thing i've had to fix on the defy were the battery terminals in the battery as they became loose and when you unplugged the usb it gave the phone enough of a shake to make the phone reboot took me a while to work out that, I thought it was a software issue at first
can any other defy users give me some ideas what to replace the defy with

R_AL_Sim said:
Hi everyone
I need defy users to help me decide on my next phone as upgrade time is here and I need to upgrade or move to another provider I'm currently with orange UK and all they have as upgrades are iphones and Samsung galaxies but I like how tough my defy is and don't want to upgrade for these reasons.
the Samsung galaxy sIII has gorilla glass v2 on it but i want the ip rating has anyone else here had the same issue with moving from the defy as the UK providers dont seem to have any tough phones.
I love the defy to bits its perfect for me I can take it out on the boat get it hammered in waves and still use it, use it in the british weather, go fishing with it the only downside is how the touch screen jumps all over the place when its wet I'm currently running jelly bean nightly builds on the gingerbread kernel with a defy MB525 with red lens and its a great phone with great dev support.
I've only ever owned two android phones the G1 and the defy all other phones were windows mobile htc phones and by the time my contract was up the phones i previosly owned were battered had bits replaced or hacked to get working again but the defy has lasted me through an entire 18 month contract perfectly intact its an ace phone.
the only thing i've had to fix on the defy were the battery terminals in the battery as they became loose and when you unplugged the usb it gave the phone enough of a shake to make the phone reboot took me a while to work out that, I thought it was a software issue at first
can any other defy users give me some ideas what to replace the defy with
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sony xperia acro s: dual core 1.5ghz cpu (qualcomm msm8260), adreno 220 gpu, 1gb ram, 16gb rom, microsdhc, 4.3" 720*1280 reality display, 12mp cam, hspa+, 1910mah batt, IP57 certificate
this is without a doubt my next phone...

zakoo2 said:
sony xperia acro s: dual core 1.5ghz cpu (qualcomm msm8260), adreno 220 gpu, 1gb ram, 16gb rom, microsdhc, 4.3" 720*1280 reality display, 12mp cam, hspa+, 1910mah batt, IP57 certificate
this is without a doubt my next phone...
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that looks ace its not out yet is it? I thought that was out in the Q4 of this year in the UK I'm probably wrong but orange dont have it yet but having said that orange have very few new phones

Ah so that means its not as tough as the defy then.
Gutted maybe I should stick with the defy and see if I can reduce the cost of my contract
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jesus, good job at misleading people... -.-
the defy+ is IP67, the acro s is IP57, meaning:
defy+: Totally protected against dust, Protected against the effect of immersion between 15 cm and 1 m
acro s: Protected against dust; limited ingress (no harmful deposit), Protected against the effect of immersion between 15 cm and 1 m
so they are both protected against water the same amount, only difference is dust... so i would say they are equally tough... and the acro s is waaay better than the defy...

What about the guerilla glass?
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Aslolo said:
What about the guerilla glass?
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i doesnt have gorilla glass, i give you that. but its scratch resistant, and has wet finger tracking...

zakoo2 said:
i doesnt have gorilla glass, i give you that. but its scratch resistant, and has wet finger tracking...
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wet finger tracking how does that work on a capacitive screen interesting or does it use a resonance touch screen??
I can live with out it being dust proof but still the defy when overclocked to defy+ spec is an ace phone and for features vs price you cant really beat it, like I said earlier its the only phone that lasted me a full 18 month contract without me replacing the speaker, screen, buttons and battery and i've never once had to dry it out, my old phone i had to leave in bags of rice after going out sometimes
I cant be bothered having two phones one for going out and the other for everyday use I hated it when i had two phones due to work I cant stand that
the only downside to the defy were the socket caps but I'd live with that compared to having to waste a day fixing a phone after abusing it also you dont need to use the headphone cap ever if you get bluetooth stereo headphones
I've seen some other tough android devices out there like the JCB phone but thats to tough for me i only really need the waterproofing and scratch proof plus i want to be able to get it through a typical provider like orange/tmobile o2/vodafone

R_AL_Sim said:
wet finger tracking how does that work on a capacitive screen interesting or does it use a resonance touch screen??
I can live with out it being dust proof but still the defy when overclocked to defy+ spec is an ace phone and for features vs price you cant really beat it, like I said earlier its the only phone that lasted me a full 18 month contract without me replacing the speaker, screen, buttons and battery and i've never once had to dry it out, my old phone i had to leave in bags of rice after going out sometimes
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it does have capacitive touch screen, i dont know how it has wet finger tracking, its a new technology i guess...
about the defy... it really is a good phone, but now its a low-end device... if you want to replace it, you probably want an up-to-date hardware, and a single-core 1ghz cpu and 512mb ram hardly fits that criteria.
im not arguing with you, the defy is unbeatable with its performance/price ratio, but its a locked device with very poor software support.
sony has enabled unlocking the bootloader on the new xperia series, they will probably will do that with the next gen too.
i cant really pick any other device as the successor, just the acro s. it will probably be quite expensive, but its sony, so its worth the money.

zakoo2 said:
it does have capacitive touch screen, i dont know how it has wet finger tracking, its a new technology i guess...
about the defy... it really is a good phone, but now its a low-end device... if you want to replace it, you probably want an up-to-date hardware, and a single-core 1ghz cpu and 512mb ram hardly fits that criteria.
im not arguing with you, the defy is unbeatable with its performance/price ratio, but its a locked device with very poor software support.
sony has enabled unlocking the bootloader on the new xperia series, they will probably will do that with the next gen too.
i cant really pick any other device as the successor, just the acro s. it will probably be quite expensive, but its sony, so its worth the money.
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the wet finger its the selling point for me does anyone know the actual release date for the uk

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the wet finger its the selling point for me does anyone know the actual release date for the uk
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so far we only know that in q3 2012...

If your phone is still working you can always go onto a rolling contract or PAYG and keep your Defy. I found a call to the retentions department got me a 30 day contract, 325 mins, 150 texts, 750MB Internet, free BT Wifi, free Orange / Orange calls for £ 10 + VAT. I do like Orange now they have combined the network with T-Mobile as I can get a signal virtually anywhere.
Your other option is GiffGaff which uses the O2 network for £10 / month 250 mins, unltd texts and web.
Then take your time and choose your next phone.

Q: Whats replacing the Defy as a tough phone?
A: Nothing can replace Defy as a tough phone.
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I had begun to become really frustrated with my Defy, lag, google maps problems, instability etc. But, having installed Quarx CM10 I am really happy with it again. I think this might lengthen the amount of time I use this phone for before upgrading. I don't feel my Defy is outdated yet, it may not have the latest hardware specs, but I don't think it is struggling to keep up with anything.
Soooooo.....I agree with Nick, imo I would look at getting your monthly payment reduced, but not renewing your contract for more than 30days. I'm on T-Mobile costs me £10 per month including unlimited Internet and free landline calls. My wife has constantly negotiated hers down having kept her phone and now only pays about £8 per month.