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HTC Desire vs Samsung Captivate ... help me decide!

Hey guys,
As the battery on my HTC Diamond is dying, I'm in the market for a new phone, and I am down to either htc Desire or Samsung Captivate ...
Why HTC Desire?
- Love HTC phones, my last 4 phones were all HTC's
- Love Sense, hate TouchWhiz
- Slightly smaller, so it would fit a little better in jeans pocket
- Availability of development and cooked ROMs
Why Captivate?
- S-AMOLED screen is the best screen available now
- Hummingbird > Snapdragon
- 4.0" screen is better than 3.7"
- Have concern about Desire's battery life ... vastly disappointed with Diamond's battery though I know 1400mAh > 900, but many people still complain about Desire's battery life
- Captivate seems to be better at video playback, smoother, more vivid colour
- Captivate seems to be snappier with web browsing
What do you guys think? Anything else I should know about these phones?
Like I said, the biggest appeal of the Desire is Sense ... I think it's a great UI and I'm almost temped to pick the phone just for its UI. That said, I have concern about Desire's battery life. The Captivate's S-AMOLED screen is also something you fall in love with.
Any suggestion or advices is welcome!

sence is awsome and android isnt the same without HTC Sence trust me ..... as far as hummingbird vs snapdragon goes ..... sure adreno isnt the best gpu, but neither is powervr now the nvida tegra 2 chipset is out and snapdragon as a cpu easly surpasses hummingbird or any other omap/arm cortex based cpu. agreed the samoled screen is gawjus and the colours are great, but i recently upgraded my amoled desire for a slcd Desire HD and the diffrence isnt that much... end of the day, if you get a desire you wont be disapointed, guaranteed, but buy a capitave and you may be

Thanks for the reply.
I'm on my 4th htc phones and haven't been disappointed in any of them yet ... my only complaint is battery life ... but I just keep my car charger in my car all the times.
I've got a similar thread at the Captivate forum and it seems the Captivate, with the existing Samsung ROM (and all the cooked ROM's based on it), is pretty buggy. People have complained about self power off, GPS not able to lock as some of the more annoying problems.
Does the Desire have any quirk or anything you guys aren't pleased with?
BTW HD and HD2 are nice, but I think 4.3" is too big to be 'pocket-able' ... 4" is as big as I'd go

number16 said:
Thanks for the reply.
I've on my 4th htc phones and haven't been disappointed in any of them yet ... my only complaint is battery life ... but I just keep my car charger in my car all the times.
I've got a similar thread at the Captivate forum and it seems the Captivate, with the existing Samsung ROM (and all the cooked ROM's based on it), is pretty buggy. People have complained about self power off, GPS not able to lock as some of the more annoying problems.
Does the Desire have any quirk or anything you guys aren't pleased with?
BTW HD and HD2 are nice, but I think 4.3" is too big to be 'pocket-able' ... 4" is as big as I'd go
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the gps works really well on the desire, samsung software is notoriously buggy. dont get me wrong the galaxy s series are great phones, they just dont have that htc level of polish, there was a random reboot issue with the desire at one point, but htc addressed it

IMHO, don't even think about Samsung. Get the Desire and I guarantee you won't regret it. Above all, don't be fooled by specs sheets. It's mostly the software that makes the phone great or not these days....

I'd go for the Desire, simply because I feel it has a better community behind it.

btw, I got a quick question ... do all the Telus Desire (in Canada) have SLCD screen instead of AMOLED?
Is it a biggie? Is AMOLED better than SLCD?

well about the battery life...
i got a custom rom on my desire (the newest miui) and i easily get 2-3 days under normal use (screen on ~1-1.30 hours, browsing web, playing games, having internet turned off when screen off).
if you play games and browse the web a lot it may die within one day, but i never had issues with the battery life.
if you are able to charge it over night (even better in your car too), this will not be a concern for you..
seriously

number16 said:
Hey guys,
As the battery on my HTC Diamond is dying, I'm in the market for a new phone, and I am down to either htc Desire or Samsung Captivate ...
Why HTC Desire?
- Love HTC phones, my last 4 phones were all HTC's
- Love Sense, hate TouchWhiz
- Slightly smaller, so it would fit a little better in jeans pocket
- Availability of development and cooked ROMs
Why Captivate?
- S-AMOLED screen is the best screen available now
- Hummingbird > Snapdragon
- 4.0" screen is better than 3.7"
- Have concern about Desire's battery life ... vastly disappointed with Diamond's battery though I know 1400mAh > 900, but many people still complain about Desire's battery life
- Captivate seems to be better at video playback, smoother, more vivid colour
- Captivate seems to be snappier with web browsing
What do you guys think? Anything else I should know about these phones?
Like I said, the biggest appeal of the Desire is Sense ... I think it's a great UI and I'm almost temped to pick the phone just for its UI. That said, I have concern about Desire's battery life. The Captivate's S-AMOLED screen is also something you fall in love with.
Any suggestion or advices is welcome!
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I was really close to getting the captivate which I was able to get from my own carrier but instead I went with the desire and bought it outright from telus.
Their were a number of reasons that made me choose the desire.
The captivate has a rated 5 hour talk time versus the desire which is 6.5 hours
The captivate seems to have an antenna gate issue that is similiar to iphone 4. except in this case I didnt see any remedy like using a case.
The captivate's power button is on the right side not a major issue but started to add up for me.
The captivate doesn't have a flash for camera/video camera desire does.
Here is a good review of the desire and the captivate. Hope it helps you make your decision.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2370844,00.asp
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2366803,00.asp
For me there's only two negatives with the Desire. The battery life which can be solved by rooting, installing custom roms and/or getting an extra battery. The other problem with the Deisre is the app memory. You can always root it and install a rom that supports apps2d+.

Without reading all the crap here no doubt desire. Make sure to get the A8182
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my dad and 1 of my best friends have the galaxy s, and I have desire, the lcd screen on my desire is beautiful even when you put it next to the super amoled of the sgs, and its only when they're sat next to each other that you can actually notice any difference, also the sgs battery is no better than the desire, granted i do have to charge mine every day, and I am quite a heavy user, but every time my friend comes to my house the first thing he says is " can I steal some electric please mate".
The sense UI is awsome just the whole layout of the phone is so much nicer and more functional than the sgs too. so all in all its a win for the desire.

about that gorgeus AMOLED screen, i've noticed that colors are a little more vivid but quite unrealistic... I've comared both phones before buying and I prefer colors on the desire

Thanks for all the comments guys. I picked up a Desire over the weekend ... it's been rooted and S-off'ed ... but still undecided on which ROM to flash

I like senseUI, so i'll go for Desire.

i love desire just because of sense...it is so beautiful...

wonder why every one loves the defy so much

titles says it all.
you know i picked up my phone because im REAL ROUGH with my phones. (lost 2 to jetskis and 2 to just plan old wear and tear) i loved the idea of a phone that if it was raining i wouldnt have to worry about pulling it out and drowning it or if i banged my leg on something while at work i wouldnt destroy my phone.
Now i NEVER expected to have a phone that would see this much support. i mean motorola just put out the droid x, this phone is a little weird looking (i dont really like the white and black) it has a smaller screen then ur average smart phone and its not the most powerful thing out there.
But have any of u noticed the amount of love us defy owners are getting???? the phone was rooted REAL fast. we had 2.2 by what the 2nd month the phone was out. now we have 2nd init AND cm7 (2.3). i mean the droid x doesnt get anywhere near that much attention from the developers and people where SWEARING it was the big next thing.
honestly im just shocked that my phone is faster smoother and prettier then my friends droid x, then to top it off i can drop it into a puddle pick it up and start searching the web with no problems. its a beautiful beautiful thing
i just want to thank ALL the people that have become as taken with this phone as i have (who knew motorola could do something right) and then taken time out of there lives to make it better.

rugged but sexy, tough but fast and on top of it is android OS. ahh.. just the perfect blend. until motorola defy 2 comes out (which I hope is already planned) am sticking with this as my main phone along with my other devices. I even created a new xda account for the love of motorola defy. ;]

my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor but it must be implemented really well, his Galaxy ace cannot play snes and megadrive games smoothly where as they are spot on on my defy

its beautiful, fast, very well supported, amazing display, android os, rugged, and its the perfect size. i mean, 4" screen is too big for my hands, but 3.7" is just perfect. and of course, its by far the best phone for this price!
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Powerfull, compact, rugged, i like the all display design, superb reception, strong and clean speaker (when not defective) high resolution display, flash support, good graphic card, nice overclock, low price, better developers community ......what else?
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Defy has the personality/functionality of a water-resistant watch. So, when you come to think about it, that's exactly what a smart phone should be.

You got to touch it to know it...
It's not too big like HTC desire models and it's not too small you unable to type sms.
Features and functionality.. above posts said it all

Many reasons: first of all, the roughness. Then, it is easily customizable (something quite rare in a Motorola phone). Somehow, it was also very well coded, so things run smooth on it, even without overclocking (even though OC lets me play Modern Combat 2 with absolutely no lag). Also, nice display, very decent camera (specially after you enable 720p recording), and, most of all, the excellent cost-benefit. With the data plan I got from my carrier, it only costed me 50% more than a X8 or a Galaxy 5 would cost (149 reais - the currency here in Brazil - against R$99 of the SonyEricsson or the Samsung phones). The only other phone I saw such an active developing community was the HTC Magic (consequently, the HTC Dream, too). But, with the Defy's hardware, developers can do even more.

I bought the phone after 20 days of exclusive research on HTCs, SAMSUNGs, and offcourse MOTOs. considering the price, look, CPU, internal memory, toughness, .... it is by far the best available.
I would not regret buying it.

I wanted a new phone with a keyboard and android, there was nothing i liked out at the time so i got the defy because of the ruggedness. So far it's already saved itself and me from having to buy a replacement due to a large drink spill on a table.
I've also been the cause of a few different HTC's early retirements due to accidental dropping's and submerging them in liquid, so im very pleased with the defy.
Also mhz means nothing when your comparing completely different types of chips. And the 800mhz in the defy is very good.

To add, Defy is amazingly fairly priced. With all the ruggedness, you pretty much pay for 1 (toughphone or Andromobile, choose), get 2 for free.
Oh and we all love MotoBlur

I had to choose from a iPhone 3GS (8gb) SGS 1 and Moto Defy. Of course Defy . It's a well priced smartphone, good looking on black, powerfull and light. I got it for 99 euro's on 2 year 17 euro data plan but the price could have dropped to as much as 50 euro's depending on how much minutes and SMS you wanted.
I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.

For me it does everything i need it to do and more

Deonix said:
I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.
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Moto is in business since they released Droid/Milestone. Let's hope that they keep their word regarding the unlocked bootloader. Though I am also looking forward to Defy 2, it also means my Defy will become old when the upgrade comes out

Pros:
+ Compact. 3.7" Screen yet is more compact than the iPhone except in thickness.
+ Rugged. The only Android phone out that is durable.
+ Price.
Cons
- Not the latest Android
- Locked bootloader
- Camera is below average
- Faulty earpiece design (fixed?)

MrBelter said:
my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor
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The Defy is technically in the same class as the big phones, Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire, iPhone 4 etc, in terms of processing power and screen resolution.
Samsung Galaxy Ace is a mid-range phone similar to LG Optimus One. They are in a different class altogether.
IMVHO Motorola did a technical masterpiece with the Defy. Although the screen is almost as big as the iPhone 4 the area around the screen is minimal. They wasted almost no space.

Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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Raccroc said:
Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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That's an interesting phone :
Pro's :
-Even more rugged than the Defy
-A few more sensors than the Defy (Temperature and so on)
Con's :
-Very ugly phone
-USA Only
Pro & Con (At same time) : Froyo (Yes it comes with Froyo but the Defy can easily have 2.3.4 CM7 ,so still a win )
It is rugged and looks like one,but take in fact the Defy doesnt look at all rugged and it is.
Also you dont know its GPU,or if it has a dedicated one,Defy has a PowerVR 530 for sure.
Basically theire both good,depends on which you want to lean twards,for the most rugged but same time heavy(& ugly)phone,get the Casio,for just a rugged phone,get the Defy....and for a sensible plastic thingy,get anything else lol.
Respect

I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection. That's ok...

skattegat said:
I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection.
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What the ! which ROM are you using ? and did you clear off some useless apps?

[Q] What is your next phone?

All of us bound to leave Defy one day to get something even better and this is something some of us might need to do sooner than later. I have to say Defy did serve me well as my first venture into smartphones. The very late buggy Android 2.2.2 release kind of dampened my appetite to keep using it for another six months.
The much talk about SGII and HTC Sensation some how don't appeal to me even though both are 10x better than Defy. Durability is not everything but it is a welcome addition design feature for a portable device such as handsets. After going through countless of phone reviews, comments, and opinions I decided not to go for a dual core CPU handset. Android is not going to be truly optimised to take advantage of both cores for sometime to come and also the lower battery usage of dual core CPUs are totally unfounded.
For my needs 1.2GHz or 1.4GHz single core CPU is more than adequate and perhaps a good investment as long as is ARM8 or ARM9 based chip. Also next phone must have 1GB of RAM and with at least a 4" (qHD) screen size. In fairness Motorola's qHD quality is far better than of HTC offerings. My priority needs for a portable device is reading (i.e., books, pdf files, and internet), writing (i.e., Text Messaging, Email, and short posts to internet), and occasional videos. I've been enjoying youtube over wifi with Defy 2.2.2 that never bothered to try on 2.1.
The only handset available in the UK that comes close to my ideal specs for next phone is SE Arc. When I hold Defy in my hand and then the ARC it just doesn't cut it for me. The cheap plastic feeling is really off putting. Looking at the upcoming handset list there is nothing appealing either.
What is your next phone after Defy? Have you recently bought a new phone after owning Defy? Should we wait for Defy II after the experience with Motorola? After all Motorola did conduct a survey about durability with Defy users in the UK so they must have a plan for the next Defy version.

My next phone will be DEFY2 or DEFY+......Or Nexus 3
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Although I'm kinda frustrated because the phones with physical keyboard are never top notch (I would love one but...), I would either go for one or a Nexus 3.
PS: I would only consider an open phone (no locked bootloders and stuff)

Defy 2 or Atrix ...
Atrix should be so fine, but seems to be reallu overpriced ...
Next generation of Defy will be fine ...
I wonbder to have a little more CPU, a better camera and a fullHD hdmi output video signal ...

Thank you for the responses so far.
@SeaFargo
I consider Atrix as a good phone but two things about it put me off, other than being Motorola's. 1. NVidia Tegra chip: NVidia trying so hard to increase market share for gaming platform. I'm not into games so I feel paying too much for my need. 2. WebTop on Atrix not only makes this phone expensive but also harder for Motorola to update it with every major version of Android. Another feature that I don't need.
@ifu & daniel_loft
I think Nexus 3 is going to be a mind blowing phone and indeed I will be keeping my eyes on it. If it was at the right price and solid built quality then I don't mind waiting for another six months for my next phone.

After trashing my previous phone, the ruggedness of the defy is really important to me. The defy is actually a brilliant phone, once you take off the motorola software. The motorola froyo is just filled with bugs. Also for what ever reason the phone is really slow. Put cyanogenmod on however and you have a brill phone.
Whatever my next phone is, I wont be getting one that has a locked down bootloader and motorola software. For now I'm happy with my CM Defy
Olly

I will go for a waterproof device for sure.
As i am still pretty happy with my defy, i will have a good time waiting for the next generation Defy or a similar high-end waterproof smartphone.
I have no need for a bigger display. I would rather like to have an even smaller device with the same screen size.

a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me

nonsense91 said:
a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me
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For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.

Defy 2 with unlocked bootloader of course!

Next generation of Defy or maybe some other waterproof smartphone
These specs are welcome :
-1Ghz dual-core
-min.1900 mAh battery
-4.0" screen
-1GB RAM
-720p recording
-USB On the go
-HDMI out
-unlocked bootloder ..

Id really hate to turn this into a "defy 2 wishlist" thread. but here it goes
unlike most other people, id like to see LESS ports.
Delete the headphone jack. Bluetooth audio works fine
Delete the Micro-USB port. Induction charging works.
Make the battery door screwed/bolted on.
the only real wholes should be speakers and mics, which can be made very waterproof. I hate this vaugeness and caution when testing our phones waterproofness. The phone should be really rugged.

I think I'll ver the next defy version, whatever it will be. If there is none, then I'll yo for the Milestone 3
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I just got a Defy, used, to fill in the time until my HD7 becomes useful ... as of now it can hardly do anything very well and I need a real smartphone.
Let me say that coming from a G2, then to the HD7, and now the Defy, this is the little phone that could! It feels tiny but there's something to be said for a small phone.
And Android is really shaping up to be a highly-functional OS!
This is a great little phone. Can't wait to get rid of MotoBlarghhhh.
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i am not going to leave my defy...but if i had a choice to buy a new one then it would be
MOTOROLA PHOTON 4G

CSharpHeaven said:
For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.
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I don't care about other 3d features, playing 3d movies and shooting 3d pictures and movies would be great for me

Lg 2x will b my next destiny.
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My number one priority for a phone is wifi calling. Blackberry (currently) with uma handles this better than Android.

I like 3D too. It looks like fun and theres nothing wrong with a little fun.

I think that my next phone will be something with Tegra, but i like Defy and i don't change phone soon
Sorry for my English

defy+ or samsung sgs ???

hey people....which one shud i buy...now defy + or samsung galaxy s ???
M getting both for same price....
Thanx in advanced

They'er both pretty much on par hardware-wise.. Until you give them both a dip in the swimming pool
So I think you know what my recommendation would be.

adida101 said:
They'er both pretty much on par hardware-wise.. Until you give them both a dip in the swimming pool
So I think you know what my recommendation would be.
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But SGS does have an impressive screen.
Defy+ has a bigger battery but no almoled screen.
For me, its a tie. Great screen vs rugged and tough

If you can afford an sgs it is better in some ways. The super amoled screen, the gfx card(powervr 540) which is much superior to defy+ (powervr 530).
Then again you can get more or less the same thing for much lesser price with defy

what do you wana use it for? Where are you going to use it? i thik those are important factors.
If you wanna play games a lot, SGS may be SLIGHTLY better, but defy is also pretty good... If you wana use it outdoors (in the sun) a lot, SGS screen will be better, but again defy also performs well... if you're from a rainy place, defy will win hands down
Performance : SGS may have a little edge
Screen: SGS
Durablity (ruggedness) : Defy
Camera : same, but honestly, i think SGS camera is a bit better,
Internal memory: SGS
Battery : same capacity, but i think superamoled saves a little more battery
Also, SGS is older, meaning more developers, better community support, and more ROMS,
VALUE FOR MONEY: Defy (i dont know the price of the Defy+)
BUT Im a proud owner of Defy

in here, it's almost like, asking, Android or Iphone better?? it's a DEFY forum after all!! LOL

cm7
lanfearxt said:
in here, it's almost like, asking, Android or Iphone better?? it's a DEFY forum after all!! LOL
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thanx i see u r using CM7 by qurax any problem so far ??
i have heared abt WIFI and Camera,s sluggishnesss issue...
what do u think ?

I would buy DEFY+.
It will not be broken after one drop 8) And my classmate have SGS and that one was bit slow compared to my Defy.

the sgx540 is the BEST mobile graphics chip right now, although the sgx530 is also pretty damn good too. the screen is better in the sgs, and that has cm7 too. BUT the defy is rugged, has many devs and its damn fast with the ported cm, so i think id go for the defy (not the defy+, thats almost the same as a red lensed defy only with bigger battery)! the only real difference between the defy and sgs is the screen...
sent from my cm7 defy...

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in here, it's almost like, asking, Android or Iphone better?? it's a DEFY forum after all!! LOL
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Exactly... Ask in the SGS forums and they will all root for SGS

Then allow me to weigh in with what I hope is a fairly even-handed comparison. My brother and my partner both have SGS i9000s. I have a defy. My brother's SGS is running on Samsung 2.3.3, my partner's is running CM7.1, and my defy is running CM7.1 nightly 110822.
Performance.
The SGS has the graphics power it is true. However, part of what they had to do to achieve that was put in 128MB of very fast memory dedicated solely to the graphics. For the rest of the system (and whenever you are not using 3d games) you get only 384MB of LPDDR (1.6GB/s). Defy has 512MB of LPDDR2 (3.2GB/s). This means that when both are running CM7 and both clocked at 1GHz the defy actually feels more responsive. Not that the SGS is bad, but CM7 on the SGS is barely faster than stock 2.3.3. So I guess part of this comes down to whether you will install CM7 - if not then the SGS is quite a bit faster. If so then the Defy is more responsive.
Screen.
The SGS screen is lovely and bright and superb contrast. However, due to the Pentile matrix that it uses, text can be rather coarse. The defy screen is 270dpi full RGB stripe, giving 810 sub-pixels per inch. The SGS is 233dpi Pentile, giving only 466 sub-pixels per inch. For reading text, the defy screen is rather nicer, and it's also better in daylight than the SGS. The SGS is better for movies and games.
Physical construction.
The SGS is slim, but rather flimsy. The defy is chunkier. I can see the appeal of slim. However, the bugbear I have with the SGS is that the back appears to be teflon-coated, and that's resulted in my brother dropping his. I love the rubberised back of the Defy, as it can be held in fingertips without slipping away from you. Of course, you know about the waterproofing, etc.
Camera
SGS all the way. My green-lens defy is rubbish!
GPS
Defy with CM7 all the way.
Battery life
Defy, but neither one is going to offer days and days and days.
Storage
SGS. It has an internal SD offering 8 or 16GB in addition to the standard storage and an mSD slot.
Connectivity.
SGS. Both have wifi, bluetooth, USB, 3G, etc. However, the SGS has the (expensive) option of an HDMI out via an adaptor on the USB port. Defy doesn't offer this so SGS wins.
Ultimately I prefer the Defy, although both are great phones. Without CM7 the Defy is nowhere near as good as the SGS, and part of the appeal of the Defy to me was that it's a phone I can put in my bag and go mountain biking without worrying about wrapping it up in layers and layers of plastic (as the other riders I go with do with their HTCs and iPhones) to keep it dry.

I just sold my sgs vibrant to buy defy The only thing that is better on sgs is the screen, for all the rest defy is far better with cm7 or ms2ginger(support for 720p recording and playing...) I think it is better to but defy and use custom roms, rather than go on defy+.

Will the custom roms work on Defy+.And what is the price of Defy+?

Thats a good question ! In Germany you can preorder the defy+ for 257€, usual defy is around 226€.
With its release I believe the defy+ will be a tick cheaper, so if defy+ is around 230~240€ and usual defy still at ~220€ I would buy a defy+ because of stronger battery and guaranteed red lens for 720p !
I don't think the "old" defy will still be available when the defy+ is out, because its the same hardware...

I do not know if the custom ROMs will work or not. Given the massive similarities between the two phones, plus the fact that defy+ roms will run on red-lens defys, I would suggest that the answer is yes. However, the possible no is whether motorola have changed/tightened up the bootloader enough that it is no longer possible to make a custom ROM run. I think this is unlikely but it is possible.

Acceleracer said:
Thats a good question ! In Germany you can preorder the defy+ for 257€, usual defy is around 226€.
With its release I believe the defy+ will be a tick cheaper, so if defy+ is around 230~240€ and usual defy still at ~220€ I would buy a defy+ because of stronger battery and guaranteed red lens for 720p !
I don't think the "old" defy will still be available when the defy+ is out, because its the same hardware...
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Thanks.I am also looking for the Defy+ to arrive in India at that price range.
Edit:What about this phone?I think it will be launched in the price range of Defy+...

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Thanks.I am also looking for the Defy+ to arrive in India at that price range.
Edit:What about this phone?I think it will be launched in the price range of Defy+...
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interesting beast... the 1.4GHz processor and front facing camera may win a lot hearts. I would still choose a defy over this because: (1) no gorilla glass? (2) mAH capacity is the same as on the defy so with its faster processor, effective battery life should be less (3) i think the defy looks sexier. The front face of that samsung does not look balanced.

How good is the Galaxy Nexus really?!

Hi,
as of right now I'm the owner of a LG Optimus One and I'm ready to upgrade to a better android device. Now I'm pretty much decided on either a GNex or a Motorola Atrix.
Well while I was researching on which phone I should get I saw a LOT of people hating on the gnex in reviews, benchmark comparisons etc. They said things like: QThe Gnex isn't nearly as good as the GS II, it's very laggy!" or "The gnex gpu sucks, it's the same one the Samsung Galaxy has".
So overall what do you guys say about that? I mean especially that thing with the GPU is concerning me. I really like to play games on my phone and so the gpu is kinda important for me, but what are you guys experiences?
Also, would you guys choose the Atrix 4G or the samsung galaxy nexus? I want to keep the phone for at least 2-3 years and want to be able to play games etc.
Thanks in advance
Edit: One of the biggest complaints I've heard was about the display: It's supposed to use a Pen-Tile technology and therefore it doesn't actually have a 720*1280 resolution but something way lower. What is that all about?
Also, I have average sized hands, do you guys think I'd have problems using the Galaxy Nexus?

Reedddd said:
Hi,
as of right now I'm the owner of a LG Optimus One and I'm ready to upgrade to a better android device. Now I'm pretty much decided on either a GNex or a Motorola Atrix.
Well while I was researching on which phone I should get I saw a LOT of people hating on the gnex in reviews, benchmark comparisons etc. They said things like: QThe Gnex isn't nearly as good as the GS II, it's very laggy!" or "The gnex gpu sucks, it's the same one the Samsung Galaxy has".
So overall what do you guys say about that? I mean especially that thing with the GPU is concerning me. I really like to play games on my phone and so the gpu is kinda important for me, but what are you guys experiences?
Also, would you guys choose the Atrix 4G or the samsung galaxy nexus? I want to keep the phone for at least 2-3 years and want to be able to play games etc.
Thanks in advance
Edit: One of the biggest complaints I've heard was about the display: It's supposed to use a Pen-Tile technology and therefore it doesn't actually have a 720*1280 resolution but something way lower. What is that all about?
Also, I have average sized hands, do you guys think I'd have problems using the Galaxy Nexus?
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First of all, benchmarks for GNex is definitely lower for a few reasons, the amount of pixels and also, the GPU is definitely not as superior as GSII's. But, it doesn't affect the performance on the phone, as stock ICS has an incredible speed. As for gaming, I would leave that to people who actually play games on their GNex.
With that being said, if you are deciding between Atrix and GNex, both of them share the exact same GPU.
As for the display, the pentile on GNex is NOT noticeable as the higher resolutions took care of that problem. FYI, Matrix 4G also uses pentile and its resolution is much lower than that of GNex.
For the average sized hands, this phone is comfortable in your hands, it's not wide, in fact, pretty narrow. However, the screen is pretty long (vertically), so you may have problems navigating from top to bottom of your screen using one hand (while using your thumb obviously).
Hope that helps.

Reedddd said:
Hi,
as of right now I'm the owner of a LG Optimus One and I'm ready to upgrade to a better android device. Now I'm pretty much decided on either a GNex or a Motorola Atrix.
Well while I was researching on which phone I should get I saw a LOT of people hating on the gnex in reviews, benchmark comparisons etc. They said things like: QThe Gnex isn't nearly as good as the GS II, it's very laggy!" or "The gnex gpu sucks, it's the same one the Samsung Galaxy has".
So overall what do you guys say about that? I mean especially that thing with the GPU is concerning me. I really like to play games on my phone and so the gpu is kinda important for me, but what are you guys experiences?
Also, would you guys choose the Atrix 4G or the samsung galaxy nexus? I want to keep the phone for at least 2-3 years and want to be able to play games etc.
Thanks in advance
Edit: One of the biggest complaints I've heard was about the display: It's supposed to use a Pen-Tile technology and therefore it doesn't actually have a 720*1280 resolution but something way lower. What is that all about?
Also, I have average sized hands, do you guys think I'd have problems using the Galaxy Nexus?
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Atrix uses pentile, but I don't think it's a bad thing personally. People hate on the Atrix, but it's one of my fav phones. Wish I had it as a backup, but it doesn't compare to the GNex. Get the Gnex. Find a super cheap Atrix and get that too. Atrix is one of the best multimedia devices. MicroHDMI and their implementation of all that and the lapdock is simply amazing and I hope Google implements it in all of Android once them buying Moto is a done deal. Don't know if that's even possible.

Just came from my GS2 to the GNex. The screen and dev support is amazing. Go for this phone!
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2 words: its supercalafrachalisticexpealidocious.

I came from a sgs2 and the gn is less responsive. It's a tad slower at everything from my experience but there's not much in it.
I'm on 4.0.2 still and the newer updates are meant to sort out some speed issues so I'll wait and see .
Haven't looked at benchmarks. I don't play games on my phone so no need to. Don't need to run a benchmark to see how quick twitter opens!
I got the gn for stock ics. Its leagues ahead of gingerbread, let alone Touchwiz, which I'm not a massive fan of.
Not used a Motorola before but it should come down to do you prefer Blur or stock, not what gets a few more points in a benchmark.
Unless you flash custom roms. But if you care about bleeding edge tech that much on Android you'll be disappointed every few months because that's how often a better spec'd phone comes out.

the size is pretty much perfect. it even feels smaller (or more narrow) in your hands than the s2 believe it or not. you don't hold the s2 in your hands like you hold a nexus. the s2 cannot rest because it was built without ballace and it's light as a feather, it is a slippery fish. in size both are extremely close anyway, we're talking millimeters.
the nexus is quite fast, i never had much lagging on stock and i have none on a custom rom. it's not as good as a s2 for gaming though, with 3d-games i experience some lagging, most games run fine though without. that and the missing sd card are some kind of a bugger. still i'd never consider going back, im loving the sleek and modern look and its interface (real ice cream sandwhich as it was conceived with quick-responding software buttons). the rom culture is great, too. the s2 is crippled in that aspect, samsung may have released the kernel-sources but to my knowledge many of their drivers are still not functioning. so you can choose between gingerbread, hellish samsung ics-fake hackjob, or ported ics-rom with alot of issues. on a nexus the bleeding edge is in the growth of its rom culture, who cares about googles ota's when you can have something like AOKP with almost weekly updates or CM9 with nighly updates, gummynex, cna, etc.

I came to the GN from the sensation because I got bored of waiting for AOSP roms. (complete ones.)
Specs wise Sensation SHOULD be superior. but in my hands the GN feels much faster. I've tried benchmarking them both, sensation got higher marks, but the GN feels faster doing eveyrthing. pr0n streaming, gaming and texting.

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First of all, benchmarks for GNex is definitely lower for a few reasons, the amount of pixels and also, the GPU is definitely not as superior as GSII's. But, it doesn't affect the performance on the phone, as stock ICS has an incredible speed. As for gaming, I would leave that to people who actually play games on their GNex.
With that being said, if you are deciding between Atrix and GNex, both of them share the exact same GPU.
As for the display, the pentile on GNex is NOT noticeable as the higher resolutions took care of that problem. FYI, Matrix 4G also uses pentile and its resolution is much lower than that of GNex.
For the average sized hands, this phone is comfortable in your hands, it's not wide, in fact, pretty narrow. However, the screen is pretty long (vertically), so you may have problems navigating from top to bottom of your screen using one hand (while using your thumb obviously).
Hope that helps.
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The atrix and gnex do NOT share the same gpu. They don't share much of any hardware. That being said depending on what the op wants both are capable phones. I would lean more on the GNex of course for lots of reasons. Also, both phones have great sound chips. I tend to favor the ti sound chip because it puts out cleaner bass for some reason and also the battery hit is substantially less on gnex. Otoh, the atrix has probably the best mono speaker out there. Plenty of volume and clarity and a little bass for how small the speaker is. The gnex also has a dedicated video chip which sips less battery than comparable phones. If reception is most important, the atrix wins hands down pulling down a signal and pulling down data in less optimal conditions.
Sent from my Nexus in Texas.

Why does everyone who is looking to buy this phone need to start a new thread asking the same thing that had already been asked and answered in almost every other thread in the GN section.
If anyone is interested in getting this phone, take some time to read through the first couple of pages in this section. You will see everything you want to know about this phone had already been asked, answered, and beat to death. You will even find out things you won't want to know.
Not hating on the OP but people just need to read a little bit as there is so much info here already.

My friend has the Atrix. Pentile LCD implementation on that phone is horrible. Put both side by side and the decision will be made for you.
Pentile super AMOLED implementations on the Galaxy S and Nexus are beautiful.

I have a lot of graphics intensive games on my gnex, and they look amazing. No lag, super smooth, tons of detail. Especially games like Shine Runner, Dead Space, Riptide Gp, and Sprinkle. With its 4.65" display and hd rez, the gnex is awesome for gaming. Its as good or better than my old iphone 4S for gaming.
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Having come from a Blackberry Bold 9000, this Nexus is freaking awesome. Even more awesome unlocked and rooted and customized to the n'th degree.