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Am I the only one who feels the launch hardware is pretty mediocre compared to what is currently available for Android phones?
Almost all of the phones are using slower versions of the 1GHz Snapdragon, even Samsung is not using their Hummingbird processors.
I believe only one of the launch phones will include a front facing camera for video conferencing.
Then consider that same models won't be launched until late 2010 / early 2011, I don't believe this is a good start for WP7.
The software looks great though. Can't wait to see if it can be ported to my Nexus One!
I guess so when compared to the higher end Android smartphones, but WP7 has a small footprint. It doesn't require a lot to the same as Android and Iphone. If you can do the same with less, why add more?
Also Android fragmentation doesn't help this situation either. YOu may get a phone with a 1.5ghz processor, but because there are phone that have 528mhz processors there won't be any apps that fully utilize the hardware.
Mediocre launch hardware? You must be kidding. Let's recall Android's launch hardware. Also, you can't just look at raw specs, drivers and services play a huge role in real life. Galaxy S is the current spec champion, but I can bet that any single WP7 device will wipe the floor with it in terms of performance and stability.
And don't forget that you can buy pretty much any of these phones, they'll all be blazing fast. So if you need a gimmick like the front camera - go for it. The OEM just has no chance to screw up the phone in other areas.
And of course the manufacturers are holding back on the hardware in the first run of phones. They meet Microsofts minimum demands now and can put "new" hardware into models that they will release in spring. All companies are in it for the money and they would sell less phones if they put in the latest technology in the first models, ending up with higher costs for them and higher cost for the customer. And also risking having nothing new to come with for the coming months.
sometimes we assume too much.
The current HD2 FAILED to impress me with what was supposed to be a flagship package and op tiered device. Why? it was sorely due to extremely poor implementation of drivers and dlls of the stock ROM. But when flashed with cooked WM6.5 roms and tweaked extensively, HD2 is transformed into a speedy and smooth device.
So, IMO any lineup that sports 1GHz CPU should be relevant still at least for another 2 years and that's why WP7 debuted with those, they are optimized from the ground up to run on 1GHz processor and MS took a very long time to have it running as it is today....just wait for some shop demo units to arrive and try it out. seriously nothing beat the actual experience. I was lucky to try out a development unit in Seattle (a 600Mhz LG) two months ago and it changed my initial preception towards WP7. So a 1GHz device should be WP7 on drugs....and yes the footprints are small
Yeah maybe WinMo7 is tweaked for the current hardware and can do more with less but I'm still disapointed.
I got my HD in September last year, loved it, in December last year I got my HD2, the difference between the two was immence, perhaps that has spoilt me to the HD7 as I was expecting the same sort of spec/performance jump which there really isnt if the spec sheets are an indicator of performance..
But the point is, spec sheets aren't the only indicator of performance. You will see a performance boost compared to HD2 even with the same hardware inside. With HTC's crappy WM drivers it's easy.
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But the point is, spec sheets aren't the only indicator of performance. You will see a performance boost compared to HD2 even with the same hardware inside. With HTC's crappy WM drivers it's easy.
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Maybe, but why still a 5mp camera and no more storage?
Remember, it's the optics, not the # of MP that makes a good camera. My former Droid's 5MP camera was horrible compared to my even older Blackberry Storm's 3.2MP camera.
And do we think that HTC have changed the optics on the HD7, or do we all agree that its just a recycled HD2?
Not that it matters, the HD7 is o2 exclusive and the Mozart is an Orange exclusive so I cant get either this year...
Exactly. Megapixels matter when you print posters. For everything else 5MP is more than enough. Moreover, the more megapixels you cram into a sensor of the same size, the poorer the quality. Usually you need to increase physical sensor size to get better quality pictures, otherwise all you get is tons of noise in less-than-perfect lighting (i.e. 99% of the time), or artifacts due to extreme noise reduction.
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And do we think that HTC have changed the optics on the HD7, or do we all agree that its just a recycled HD2?
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It's not just optics, it also depends on the sensor. I don't know what they use in the new phones, but if they use the sensor recommended by MS it can only be an improvement. The megapixel count by itself doesn't reveal any information whatsoever about the camera quality.
You are flat out wrong. If you look at what was available at the time and the first Android phone then you will see that this WP7 launch is quite impressive.
The first Android phone was the HTC Dream, or the G1. This phone was released in Nov 2008.
3MP Camera no flash.
3.2" Screen
Wifi G
528MHz CPU
MiniUSB
There you go. These WP7 phones have similar hardware to the best phones on the market. It took a while before we started to see the likes of the Droid, then Nexus One, then Desire, then Droid X.
The only thing that people seem to complain about is the Apple-like restrictions. For me I love the hubs and the OS seems functional. I will take functional over fancy.
the spec is quite good, you cant expect a massive hardware leap when the hardware is already pushing limits. The one gripe i have is that all the uk handsets bar the lg (that looks so rubbish i wouldn't ever touch it) is th 8gb storage!!! really guys come on. though this will just give me an excuse to sell my fish tank and buy a new zune (also this will benefit my battery)
It is true drivers and optimization has a big role on the performance. BUT there is a big push on this being a gaming platform. How could the 8250 snapdragon, which has the Adreno 200 graphics even be fast enough. I have a Nexus one which is the same graphics, and the graphics are playble but no where near the performance of say the Adreno 205(Scorpion cpu) or the Hummingbird cpu. I really do hope i'm wrong but I dont think optimizations could do enough to make the Adreno 200 push out enough power.
Have you seen the game demos on Windows Phone 7? They made me forget what the chipset was. I'll take an efficient software implementation over bleeding edge hardware anyday because the software is immediately impacts the experience you have with a given device. I don't even notice the performance difference between a HTC EVO 4G and my Samsung Galaxy S Captivate in normal day to day use.
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I agree that the launch hardware is quite mediocre, and seems to be mid-range Android hardware. There are a couple of interesting bits (Focus Super AMOLED screen, HTC's Dolby Surround Sound, LG's DLNA support), but they aren't really enough to cover for the fact that the storage options are half of other platforms (Android/iOS) or less, the processor is running a less battery-efficient CPU with a GPU 1/3 the speed of existing shipping devices (Desire, G2, iPhone 4), and most WP7 devices are missing new hardware peripherals such as front-facing cameras. It's really not a very competitive hardware response compared to what is already out on the market, and this is for a mobile OS that is emphasizing its ability as a gaming system.
People aren't really likely to notice the difference in CPU/GPU on a daily basis, but they'll certainly notice that they can only store half of the multimedia/game content they used to (and unlimited data plans are disappearing, so don't count on "cloud storage" to make up for the difference), they'll notice when their WP7 copy of Rage runs at half the framerate of their iOS buddies, and they'll notice peripherals that keep them from being able to use products (such as a front-facing camera, so that they can't video "Yahoo Messenger/Live Messenger" with their friends on Android devices or home systems).
I'm really hoping that MS actually got the hardware manufacturers attention, and that this was a first rushed pass to convert hardware. If that is the case, we should start seeing competitive "flagship" hardware trickle out over the next 3-4 months.
If this is all the hardware manufacturers were planning to do, then it's going to severely undermine the WP7 platform if we continue to get last year's hardware releases. Non-competitive hardware can hinder sales, which will slow app development, which may result in early calls that the platform has "failed" (and which will likely, ironically, result in manufacturers continuing to only commit second-rate hardware to the platform). That would be a really disappointing outcome for an OS platform that I think could genuinely be second-to-none with a few software updates.
I'm hoping the phones we have seen are a minimum spec reference from Microsoft and that the next batch will allow the OEM's to get a bit more creative.
I think many people are focusing on the camera bits for no reason. I don't mind the 5MP camera, I am not expecting DLSR quality out of a cell phone. And I agree on the part of the improved optics with a smaller sensor, resulting in better quality.
I have a Nexus One, I love it. But compared to the Galaxy phones, it is midrange hardware. Try running the Galaxy live wallpapers on Nexus One, it will grind to a halt. The Hummingbird chipset has greatly improved performance over Snapdragon.
What I don't understand is why WP7 isn't launched on top tier hardware. I know the hardware will improve over time, but why are vendors brining out dated WP7 hardware when they are releasing Android hardware that exceeds WP7 specs.
I don't think the comparison to the Android launch is appropriate. When Android was launched, there was really only one player - Apple. Pretty much any hardware you put out there would be better than a WM6 phone, except HD2. The expectations were not nearly as high, as no one expected Android to be the Apple killer.
People expect WP7 to be the Apple killer. But they are pushing out hardware that doesn't even compare to Android?
lol, well i made a dumb mistake, If we are to believe engadget then at least the HD7 is using the MSM8250. Which is different than the QSD8250 of the nexus one. The msm8250 does contain the newer adreno 205 gpu in it. So we will see a decent jump in graphics. Initial tests are around the power of the hummingbird gpu. Some tests it beats it at least. So thats some good news.
Okay, so I am getting a little tired of my HD2 and received an offer to trade it for a Defy. Do you guys think it is worth it? My HD2 is running on Android Nand.
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Okay, so I am getting a little tired of my HD2 and received an offer to trade it for a Defy. Do you guys think it is worth it? My HD2 is running on Android Nand.
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Defy is great, definitely the best value for money.
But, the HD2 is something like an "universal phone", so many devs on it. I would trade any other older phone for a defy but the hd2.. well, it would be difficult to make a decision..
ok, i didn't help you so much sorry
stay in hd2 because hd2 better than defy
Stick to the HD2, you'd probably miss the massive screen, plus the amount of devs on the hd2 is insane.
Defy > HD2
Why not? Defy is one year (eternity for smart phones) younger, has newer generation 45nm (hd2 65nm) cpu more efficient and faster even at lower clock, also faster gpu, larger rom, higher battery capacity, gorilla scratch resistant glass, water resistant...
i don't think changing to defy would make you happier.HD2 with 3 mobile OS is absolutely fantastic,no other phones could reach its height.So if you want to dev or custom android like HD2,i think HTC would be a better option,although Defy already has a 2nd-init
titles says it all.
you know i picked up my phone because im REAL ROUGH with my phones. (lost 2 to jetskis and 2 to just plan old wear and tear) i loved the idea of a phone that if it was raining i wouldnt have to worry about pulling it out and drowning it or if i banged my leg on something while at work i wouldnt destroy my phone.
Now i NEVER expected to have a phone that would see this much support. i mean motorola just put out the droid x, this phone is a little weird looking (i dont really like the white and black) it has a smaller screen then ur average smart phone and its not the most powerful thing out there.
But have any of u noticed the amount of love us defy owners are getting???? the phone was rooted REAL fast. we had 2.2 by what the 2nd month the phone was out. now we have 2nd init AND cm7 (2.3). i mean the droid x doesnt get anywhere near that much attention from the developers and people where SWEARING it was the big next thing.
honestly im just shocked that my phone is faster smoother and prettier then my friends droid x, then to top it off i can drop it into a puddle pick it up and start searching the web with no problems. its a beautiful beautiful thing
i just want to thank ALL the people that have become as taken with this phone as i have (who knew motorola could do something right) and then taken time out of there lives to make it better.
rugged but sexy, tough but fast and on top of it is android OS. ahh.. just the perfect blend. until motorola defy 2 comes out (which I hope is already planned) am sticking with this as my main phone along with my other devices. I even created a new xda account for the love of motorola defy. ;]
my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor but it must be implemented really well, his Galaxy ace cannot play snes and megadrive games smoothly where as they are spot on on my defy
its beautiful, fast, very well supported, amazing display, android os, rugged, and its the perfect size. i mean, 4" screen is too big for my hands, but 3.7" is just perfect. and of course, its by far the best phone for this price!
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Powerfull, compact, rugged, i like the all display design, superb reception, strong and clean speaker (when not defective) high resolution display, flash support, good graphic card, nice overclock, low price, better developers community ......what else?
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Defy has the personality/functionality of a water-resistant watch. So, when you come to think about it, that's exactly what a smart phone should be.
You got to touch it to know it...
It's not too big like HTC desire models and it's not too small you unable to type sms.
Features and functionality.. above posts said it all
Many reasons: first of all, the roughness. Then, it is easily customizable (something quite rare in a Motorola phone). Somehow, it was also very well coded, so things run smooth on it, even without overclocking (even though OC lets me play Modern Combat 2 with absolutely no lag). Also, nice display, very decent camera (specially after you enable 720p recording), and, most of all, the excellent cost-benefit. With the data plan I got from my carrier, it only costed me 50% more than a X8 or a Galaxy 5 would cost (149 reais - the currency here in Brazil - against R$99 of the SonyEricsson or the Samsung phones). The only other phone I saw such an active developing community was the HTC Magic (consequently, the HTC Dream, too). But, with the Defy's hardware, developers can do even more.
I bought the phone after 20 days of exclusive research on HTCs, SAMSUNGs, and offcourse MOTOs. considering the price, look, CPU, internal memory, toughness, .... it is by far the best available.
I would not regret buying it.
I wanted a new phone with a keyboard and android, there was nothing i liked out at the time so i got the defy because of the ruggedness. So far it's already saved itself and me from having to buy a replacement due to a large drink spill on a table.
I've also been the cause of a few different HTC's early retirements due to accidental dropping's and submerging them in liquid, so im very pleased with the defy.
Also mhz means nothing when your comparing completely different types of chips. And the 800mhz in the defy is very good.
To add, Defy is amazingly fairly priced. With all the ruggedness, you pretty much pay for 1 (toughphone or Andromobile, choose), get 2 for free.
Oh and we all love MotoBlur
I had to choose from a iPhone 3GS (8gb) SGS 1 and Moto Defy. Of course Defy . It's a well priced smartphone, good looking on black, powerfull and light. I got it for 99 euro's on 2 year 17 euro data plan but the price could have dropped to as much as 50 euro's depending on how much minutes and SMS you wanted.
I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.
For me it does everything i need it to do and more
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I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.
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Moto is in business since they released Droid/Milestone. Let's hope that they keep their word regarding the unlocked bootloader. Though I am also looking forward to Defy 2, it also means my Defy will become old when the upgrade comes out
Pros:
+ Compact. 3.7" Screen yet is more compact than the iPhone except in thickness.
+ Rugged. The only Android phone out that is durable.
+ Price.
Cons
- Not the latest Android
- Locked bootloader
- Camera is below average
- Faulty earpiece design (fixed?)
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my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor
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The Defy is technically in the same class as the big phones, Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire, iPhone 4 etc, in terms of processing power and screen resolution.
Samsung Galaxy Ace is a mid-range phone similar to LG Optimus One. They are in a different class altogether.
IMVHO Motorola did a technical masterpiece with the Defy. Although the screen is almost as big as the iPhone 4 the area around the screen is minimal. They wasted almost no space.
Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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That's an interesting phone :
Pro's :
-Even more rugged than the Defy
-A few more sensors than the Defy (Temperature and so on)
Con's :
-Very ugly phone
-USA Only
Pro & Con (At same time) : Froyo (Yes it comes with Froyo but the Defy can easily have 2.3.4 CM7 ,so still a win )
It is rugged and looks like one,but take in fact the Defy doesnt look at all rugged and it is.
Also you dont know its GPU,or if it has a dedicated one,Defy has a PowerVR 530 for sure.
Basically theire both good,depends on which you want to lean twards,for the most rugged but same time heavy(& ugly)phone,get the Casio,for just a rugged phone,get the Defy....and for a sensible plastic thingy,get anything else lol.
Respect
I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection. That's ok...
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I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection.
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What the ! which ROM are you using ? and did you clear off some useless apps?
All of us bound to leave Defy one day to get something even better and this is something some of us might need to do sooner than later. I have to say Defy did serve me well as my first venture into smartphones. The very late buggy Android 2.2.2 release kind of dampened my appetite to keep using it for another six months.
The much talk about SGII and HTC Sensation some how don't appeal to me even though both are 10x better than Defy. Durability is not everything but it is a welcome addition design feature for a portable device such as handsets. After going through countless of phone reviews, comments, and opinions I decided not to go for a dual core CPU handset. Android is not going to be truly optimised to take advantage of both cores for sometime to come and also the lower battery usage of dual core CPUs are totally unfounded.
For my needs 1.2GHz or 1.4GHz single core CPU is more than adequate and perhaps a good investment as long as is ARM8 or ARM9 based chip. Also next phone must have 1GB of RAM and with at least a 4" (qHD) screen size. In fairness Motorola's qHD quality is far better than of HTC offerings. My priority needs for a portable device is reading (i.e., books, pdf files, and internet), writing (i.e., Text Messaging, Email, and short posts to internet), and occasional videos. I've been enjoying youtube over wifi with Defy 2.2.2 that never bothered to try on 2.1.
The only handset available in the UK that comes close to my ideal specs for next phone is SE Arc. When I hold Defy in my hand and then the ARC it just doesn't cut it for me. The cheap plastic feeling is really off putting. Looking at the upcoming handset list there is nothing appealing either.
What is your next phone after Defy? Have you recently bought a new phone after owning Defy? Should we wait for Defy II after the experience with Motorola? After all Motorola did conduct a survey about durability with Defy users in the UK so they must have a plan for the next Defy version.
My next phone will be DEFY2 or DEFY+......Or Nexus 3
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Although I'm kinda frustrated because the phones with physical keyboard are never top notch (I would love one but...), I would either go for one or a Nexus 3.
PS: I would only consider an open phone (no locked bootloders and stuff)
Defy 2 or Atrix ...
Atrix should be so fine, but seems to be reallu overpriced ...
Next generation of Defy will be fine ...
I wonbder to have a little more CPU, a better camera and a fullHD hdmi output video signal ...
Thank you for the responses so far.
@SeaFargo
I consider Atrix as a good phone but two things about it put me off, other than being Motorola's. 1. NVidia Tegra chip: NVidia trying so hard to increase market share for gaming platform. I'm not into games so I feel paying too much for my need. 2. WebTop on Atrix not only makes this phone expensive but also harder for Motorola to update it with every major version of Android. Another feature that I don't need.
@ifu & daniel_loft
I think Nexus 3 is going to be a mind blowing phone and indeed I will be keeping my eyes on it. If it was at the right price and solid built quality then I don't mind waiting for another six months for my next phone.
After trashing my previous phone, the ruggedness of the defy is really important to me. The defy is actually a brilliant phone, once you take off the motorola software. The motorola froyo is just filled with bugs. Also for what ever reason the phone is really slow. Put cyanogenmod on however and you have a brill phone.
Whatever my next phone is, I wont be getting one that has a locked down bootloader and motorola software. For now I'm happy with my CM Defy
Olly
I will go for a waterproof device for sure.
As i am still pretty happy with my defy, i will have a good time waiting for the next generation Defy or a similar high-end waterproof smartphone.
I have no need for a bigger display. I would rather like to have an even smaller device with the same screen size.
a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me
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a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me
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For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.
Defy 2 with unlocked bootloader of course!
Next generation of Defy or maybe some other waterproof smartphone
These specs are welcome :
-1Ghz dual-core
-min.1900 mAh battery
-4.0" screen
-1GB RAM
-720p recording
-USB On the go
-HDMI out
-unlocked bootloder ..
Id really hate to turn this into a "defy 2 wishlist" thread. but here it goes
unlike most other people, id like to see LESS ports.
Delete the headphone jack. Bluetooth audio works fine
Delete the Micro-USB port. Induction charging works.
Make the battery door screwed/bolted on.
the only real wholes should be speakers and mics, which can be made very waterproof. I hate this vaugeness and caution when testing our phones waterproofness. The phone should be really rugged.
I think I'll ver the next defy version, whatever it will be. If there is none, then I'll yo for the Milestone 3
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I just got a Defy, used, to fill in the time until my HD7 becomes useful ... as of now it can hardly do anything very well and I need a real smartphone.
Let me say that coming from a G2, then to the HD7, and now the Defy, this is the little phone that could! It feels tiny but there's something to be said for a small phone.
And Android is really shaping up to be a highly-functional OS!
This is a great little phone. Can't wait to get rid of MotoBlarghhhh.
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i am not going to leave my defy...but if i had a choice to buy a new one then it would be
MOTOROLA PHOTON 4G
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For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.
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I don't care about other 3d features, playing 3d movies and shooting 3d pictures and movies would be great for me
Lg 2x will b my next destiny.
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My number one priority for a phone is wifi calling. Blackberry (currently) with uma handles this better than Android.
I like 3D too. It looks like fun and theres nothing wrong with a little fun.
I think that my next phone will be something with Tegra, but i like Defy and i don't change phone soon
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hey people....which one shud i buy...now defy + or samsung galaxy s ???
M getting both for same price....
Thanx in advanced
They'er both pretty much on par hardware-wise.. Until you give them both a dip in the swimming pool
So I think you know what my recommendation would be.
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They'er both pretty much on par hardware-wise.. Until you give them both a dip in the swimming pool
So I think you know what my recommendation would be.
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But SGS does have an impressive screen.
Defy+ has a bigger battery but no almoled screen.
For me, its a tie. Great screen vs rugged and tough
If you can afford an sgs it is better in some ways. The super amoled screen, the gfx card(powervr 540) which is much superior to defy+ (powervr 530).
Then again you can get more or less the same thing for much lesser price with defy
what do you wana use it for? Where are you going to use it? i thik those are important factors.
If you wanna play games a lot, SGS may be SLIGHTLY better, but defy is also pretty good... If you wana use it outdoors (in the sun) a lot, SGS screen will be better, but again defy also performs well... if you're from a rainy place, defy will win hands down
Performance : SGS may have a little edge
Screen: SGS
Durablity (ruggedness) : Defy
Camera : same, but honestly, i think SGS camera is a bit better,
Internal memory: SGS
Battery : same capacity, but i think superamoled saves a little more battery
Also, SGS is older, meaning more developers, better community support, and more ROMS,
VALUE FOR MONEY: Defy (i dont know the price of the Defy+)
BUT Im a proud owner of Defy
in here, it's almost like, asking, Android or Iphone better?? it's a DEFY forum after all!! LOL
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in here, it's almost like, asking, Android or Iphone better?? it's a DEFY forum after all!! LOL
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thanx i see u r using CM7 by qurax any problem so far ??
i have heared abt WIFI and Camera,s sluggishnesss issue...
what do u think ?
I would buy DEFY+.
It will not be broken after one drop 8) And my classmate have SGS and that one was bit slow compared to my Defy.
the sgx540 is the BEST mobile graphics chip right now, although the sgx530 is also pretty damn good too. the screen is better in the sgs, and that has cm7 too. BUT the defy is rugged, has many devs and its damn fast with the ported cm, so i think id go for the defy (not the defy+, thats almost the same as a red lensed defy only with bigger battery)! the only real difference between the defy and sgs is the screen...
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in here, it's almost like, asking, Android or Iphone better?? it's a DEFY forum after all!! LOL
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Exactly... Ask in the SGS forums and they will all root for SGS
Then allow me to weigh in with what I hope is a fairly even-handed comparison. My brother and my partner both have SGS i9000s. I have a defy. My brother's SGS is running on Samsung 2.3.3, my partner's is running CM7.1, and my defy is running CM7.1 nightly 110822.
Performance.
The SGS has the graphics power it is true. However, part of what they had to do to achieve that was put in 128MB of very fast memory dedicated solely to the graphics. For the rest of the system (and whenever you are not using 3d games) you get only 384MB of LPDDR (1.6GB/s). Defy has 512MB of LPDDR2 (3.2GB/s). This means that when both are running CM7 and both clocked at 1GHz the defy actually feels more responsive. Not that the SGS is bad, but CM7 on the SGS is barely faster than stock 2.3.3. So I guess part of this comes down to whether you will install CM7 - if not then the SGS is quite a bit faster. If so then the Defy is more responsive.
Screen.
The SGS screen is lovely and bright and superb contrast. However, due to the Pentile matrix that it uses, text can be rather coarse. The defy screen is 270dpi full RGB stripe, giving 810 sub-pixels per inch. The SGS is 233dpi Pentile, giving only 466 sub-pixels per inch. For reading text, the defy screen is rather nicer, and it's also better in daylight than the SGS. The SGS is better for movies and games.
Physical construction.
The SGS is slim, but rather flimsy. The defy is chunkier. I can see the appeal of slim. However, the bugbear I have with the SGS is that the back appears to be teflon-coated, and that's resulted in my brother dropping his. I love the rubberised back of the Defy, as it can be held in fingertips without slipping away from you. Of course, you know about the waterproofing, etc.
Camera
SGS all the way. My green-lens defy is rubbish!
GPS
Defy with CM7 all the way.
Battery life
Defy, but neither one is going to offer days and days and days.
Storage
SGS. It has an internal SD offering 8 or 16GB in addition to the standard storage and an mSD slot.
Connectivity.
SGS. Both have wifi, bluetooth, USB, 3G, etc. However, the SGS has the (expensive) option of an HDMI out via an adaptor on the USB port. Defy doesn't offer this so SGS wins.
Ultimately I prefer the Defy, although both are great phones. Without CM7 the Defy is nowhere near as good as the SGS, and part of the appeal of the Defy to me was that it's a phone I can put in my bag and go mountain biking without worrying about wrapping it up in layers and layers of plastic (as the other riders I go with do with their HTCs and iPhones) to keep it dry.
I just sold my sgs vibrant to buy defy The only thing that is better on sgs is the screen, for all the rest defy is far better with cm7 or ms2ginger(support for 720p recording and playing...) I think it is better to but defy and use custom roms, rather than go on defy+.
Will the custom roms work on Defy+.And what is the price of Defy+?
Thats a good question ! In Germany you can preorder the defy+ for 257€, usual defy is around 226€.
With its release I believe the defy+ will be a tick cheaper, so if defy+ is around 230~240€ and usual defy still at ~220€ I would buy a defy+ because of stronger battery and guaranteed red lens for 720p !
I don't think the "old" defy will still be available when the defy+ is out, because its the same hardware...
I do not know if the custom ROMs will work or not. Given the massive similarities between the two phones, plus the fact that defy+ roms will run on red-lens defys, I would suggest that the answer is yes. However, the possible no is whether motorola have changed/tightened up the bootloader enough that it is no longer possible to make a custom ROM run. I think this is unlikely but it is possible.
Acceleracer said:
Thats a good question ! In Germany you can preorder the defy+ for 257€, usual defy is around 226€.
With its release I believe the defy+ will be a tick cheaper, so if defy+ is around 230~240€ and usual defy still at ~220€ I would buy a defy+ because of stronger battery and guaranteed red lens for 720p !
I don't think the "old" defy will still be available when the defy+ is out, because its the same hardware...
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Thanks.I am also looking for the Defy+ to arrive in India at that price range.
Edit:What about this phone?I think it will be launched in the price range of Defy+...
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Thanks.I am also looking for the Defy+ to arrive in India at that price range.
Edit:What about this phone?I think it will be launched in the price range of Defy+...
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interesting beast... the 1.4GHz processor and front facing camera may win a lot hearts. I would still choose a defy over this because: (1) no gorilla glass? (2) mAH capacity is the same as on the defy so with its faster processor, effective battery life should be less (3) i think the defy looks sexier. The front face of that samsung does not look balanced.