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[Q] is the defy capable of android 2.3?

Hi All,
Sorry i have a slightly noobish question.
is the moto defy hardware capable of running android 2.3 gingerbread ?
regards
Ani

I have an old HTC Hero that has lower hardware than Defy and it handles GB just fine. Custom made GB that is, as the last update HTC did for Hero was Eclair(2.1). The problem with Defy is the bootloader if Motorola won't upgrade Defy to GB.

Ofcourse it's capable of running 2.3 but it's going to take about a year from now lol because there are still 4-5 months before 2.2 comes out...and btw Optimus one is getting 2.3 (slower then defy) so ofcourse defy can get 2.3

Gingerbread 2.3
Defy is fully capable of running GB. You can easily overclock it upto 1.2 ghz. Has plenty of RAM and space like other high end smartpohones.
And so far the leaked version of Froyo 3.4.2 is fairly snappy, fast and pleasure to use. The biggest problem is that motorola won't make any GB ROM for Defy, so we have to wait for some moded ROMs.

Defy has the potential to 2.3, yes ... but this will probably take us a time.
EDIT: Yes, Motorola is "very close" in this area
Sorry for my english...

The HTC Dream is capable of running Gingerbread and it's not crawling, nuff said.
Any maker who tells you that its phones aren't capable is probably not because of the hardware.

Is there any chance that we could get official 2.3 gingerbread ? I would not like to use any custom ROM's coz' Im bit newbie with android....

^ no Motorola releases new phone and Defy will not get official 2.3

If LG P500 can handle GB, Why not DEFY and Spec wise Defy is far better than P500
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We may not get it officially but the leaked Gingerbread firmwares for The Defy+ work perfectly on the original defy(red lens). I'm currently on it as the matter of fact.

ryan8r said:
We may not get it officially but the leaked Gingerbread firmwares for The Defy+ work perfectly on the original defy(red lens). I'm currently on it as the matter of fact.
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Thank you for that! I may try it
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I use to have an old HTC TyTn II (aka HTC Kaiser) which has 400mhz and 256 mb RAM (i think) running windows mobile 6.1 officially... it was possible to install CM7 (Android 2.3) ROM on it and it ran quite OK!!! Not much of a lag, i used it as my day to day ROM for some months after finally getting a new phone.
So i guess you can say that the Defy DEFINITELY has the hardware for 2.3 maybe even honeycomb and ice cream sandwich (if a port was ever possible)

ryan8r said:
We may not get it officially but the leaked Gingerbread firmwares for The Defy+ work perfectly on the original defy(red lens). I'm currently on it as the matter of fact.
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ehhem... red lens ?
I just got my first android phone.....

Motodefyuser said:
ehhem... red lens ?
I just got my first android phone.....
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Yep To know more check out.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116694
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if you happen to have the green lense, it works great as well. i am on green lense with the leaked 134 gb supposedly for mb526. easiest way to know is to flash the leaked gb, and if camera doesnt work then you are on green lense. if you are, use the greenbread patch to enable camera (you will lose the live wallpaper function). the best gb so far for me is the leaked 134, very stable with magnificent battery life.

Motorola DEFY has a 1GHz TI 3630 chipset on it. but it will be functional if u install a 2.3 version. i have tried it, it works. because TI(Texas Instruments) doesn't produce a 800MHz 3610 chipset. that chipset doesn't even exist. the DEFY with the stock rom uses a downgraded 1GHz 3630 chipset. DEFY is very powerful... I don't even think of buying a DEFY+

The only problem to defy was the Gingerbread rom itself. But now we have some good gb roms that works very nicelly!

[Q] Is the Defy+ worth it?

I just got an MB525 with Android 2.2.2 and the SOC camera module (doh?).
I'm fairly happy aside from it freezing up once in a while and that I'm not crazy about MOTOBLUR. However, I can turn in this one for free and wait for the new one to arrive (beginning of September?), which should cost about the same. What's your take on the Defy+ (or is that Plus)? When can we expect the phone to go on sale in Northern-Europe? What would you advise me to do? Which phone offers the most?
And a couple of random n00bish questions:
1. My GF managed to push those two "buttons/knobs" behind the battery cover. A sticker on the cover said one shouldn't, does it matter? What does it do?
2. Is there a simple way to remove some of the pre-installed apps, such as Amazon MP3, YouTube, 3G Mobile Hotspot, etc? If not, is there a way to rearrange the "home menu" (containing all the app icons) to put the less relevant apps further down?
Thanks a bunch good folks!

Crezt said:
I just got an MB525 with Android 2.2.2 and the SOC camera module (doh?).
I'm fairly happy aside from it freezing up once in a while and that I'm not crazy about MOTOBLUR. However, I can turn in this one for free and wait for the new one to arrive (beginning of September?), which should cost about the same. What's your take on the Defy+ (or is that Plus)? When can we expect the phone to go on sale in Northern-Europe? What would you advise me to do? Which phone offers the most?
And a couple of random n00bish questions:
1. My GF managed to push those two "buttons/knobs" behind the battery cover. A sticker on the cover said one shouldn't, does it matter? What does it do?
2. Is there a simple way to remove some of the pre-installed apps, such as Amazon MP3, YouTube, 3G Mobile Hotspot, etc? If not, is there a way to rearrange the "home menu" (containing all the app icons) to put the less relevant apps further down?
Thanks a bunch good folks!
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defy+ is basically an overclocked, red lensed defy with a slightly better battery.
differences:
- defy+ is running on 1GHz by default, but you can easily overclock the defy
- defy+ has 1700mAh battery, but you can buy that for defy too
- defy+ has bayer module/red lens, which enables 720p recording
decide whether you need these things or not. my advice is to install cm7 on it, and dont even think about using the stock rom. (cm7 is lightyears ahead of any stock rom, and it runs the same on defy and defy+)
1. which buttons are you talking about?
2. you have to root your phone to remove preinstalled apps i think.
and i really recommend you to use "launcherpro", which is (one of) the best launchers out there. way faster than stock, gives you the option to hide apps from the appdrawer, and many other things. try it!

My girl just got an insurance replacement it came with a red lens?
Sent from my Defy. Using XDA App.

if it cost the same, then get the Defy+
But where i live, Defy+, apart from it being not released yet, is much more expensive (or rather Original Defy is offered at a low discount), so i opted to go for the Defy, with some tweaks, it will be the same as Defy+ performance wise...

These two knobs (under the lens/flash, with an arrow between them):
w w w . l a p t o pm a g . co m / r e v ie w / n e w g a l l e r y .aspx?id=42981#top (link broken apart on purpose)
A better battery and 720p video sounds nice!
By the way, how is it recommended to charge the battery the first times?

The Defy+ doesnt record 720p by default i dont think.

I'm very happy about my defy, but if i were to buy a new device now, it doesn't be a defy+. There are a lot of other devices with a better cost/benefit.

r u guys sure that defy+ 1700mAh battery will fit into the defy?

it is the same model number so it has to really or it would cause many problems for everyone from the retailers to the users.

thiagobolivar said:
I'm very happy about my defy, but if i were to buy a new device now, it doesn't be a defy+. There are a lot of other devices with a better cost/benefit.
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if i were about to buy a new device right now, it would be the defy (not the defy+), cuz its still one of the best phones on the market right now! (and it definitely has the best value/price)
sent from my cm7 defy...

kbxdauser2011 said:
r u guys sure that defy+ 1700mAh battery will fit into the defy?
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bump....does any1 have any idea here?

kbxdauser2011 said:
bump....does any1 have any idea here?
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The same question had crossed my mind! Just got the defy and was thinking to retrofit the defy+ battery when available in my region.
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i dont think we can say for sure until it actually comes out... expected in september i think??

i saw a video of a defy+ using the same bf5x battery as ours. the difference is, that battery is li-ion polymer, thats why it has a bigger capacity. so theoretically the defy will have no problem running on those batteries.
sent from my cm7 defy...

kbxdauser2011 said:
bump....does any1 have any idea here?
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I'm sure its ok for the Defy too.
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The problems of freezing up/lagging are resolved and then some by CM7. I wonder perhaps if defy isn't a better choice because we don't yet know how CM7 will go on the defy+ - or if it even can.

it will be so good if the battery fits i ll buy one !!

If it opens up for a reasonable price Defy+ is not a bad update for old Defy users simply looking for a replacement , Nevertheless is still a ripoff !!

Just knew it'd be 234euro on UK market. Just 1 question...Can Defy's CyanogenMOD be installed on Defy+?

saiftheboss7 said:
Can Defy's CyanogenMOD be installed on Defy+?
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Defy+ will be shipped with 2.3 (godknowswhat build) preinstalled so until they find a way to root and downgrade to Nordic froyo, I guess we'll have to wait.
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Thinking to get defy+

hi guys, i currently own an ideos x5 and would like to buy a new defy+ but i have a major question.
Is there an overclocked kernel to flash without losing the stock rom or flashing a custom rom?
and what is the latest kernel for defy+, is it based on .35 or .32?

Invicta said:
hi guys, i currently own an ideos x5 and would like to buy a new defy+ but i have a major question.
Is there an overclocked kernel to flash without losing the stock rom or flashing a custom rom?
and what is the latest kernel for defy+, is it based on .35 or .32?
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I shouldnt buy it... These are my reasons:
Motorola updates (I think we will not see official ICS in DEFY+)
Locked Bootloader = No "perfect" or "easy" ICS CyanogenMod 9
Motorola lied about it ( Its a defy with "stock" clock processor values.. )
It only can use signed kernels (by motorola --> bootloader locked)
About your questions... No.. overclocked kernel doesnt exists... Only motorola's kernel overclocked from bootmenu or setvsel. Kernel is .32 i think...
In my opinion... You should look for a samsung or Htc phone...

dissapointing...

There is a petition for unlocking the moto bootloaders.
Sign it and spread the word.
Still, if nothing happens, maybe get a sony xperia active. It has ip67 and hd recording and i think its a good alternative if you look for a strong smartphone
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Luckily the CyanogenMod developers are very strong so we will get ICS unofficially. But if you don't need the IP67 certified case I would buy a Nexus phone (the Nexus S isn't that expensive any more) or a Sony (Ericsson). The XPeria Neo or Ray are at the same price level than the Defy but will get ICS in the next months. And because Sony (Ericsson) supports CyanogenMod all devices got CyanogenMod 7.

I would get something with 4" screen and unlocked bootloader. Other then that its just not worthed....
LG 2x come to my mind right now... or something similar.. for a long term...

So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts

TudorBlue said:
So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts
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Can be rooted but no custom kernel n other goodness..
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Man if u like defy take it...
Bootloader locked but there are groups like Cyanogen, Miui and peoples like Wajk, quarx, epsylon3... They are doing great work.
Simple argument i allready have ics and i love my defy now

"love your girl, take a defy" or maybe opposite
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TudorBlue said:
So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts
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Mind you, it is still an excellent phone. Can be overclocked to 1.3GHz even without an unlocked bootloader and custom kernels. Also it is a very safe phone to play around with, physically cos of its relative ruggedness, and software wise because the locked bootloader means chances of bricking by doing something related to custom ROMs are nil.

I just have bought a Defy... should I have waited for the Defy+? Or Defy+ is not as good as de Vanilla one?

I would not buy another motorola defy by the locked bootloader, my next phone will have unlocked bootloader
Motorola sucks

darkvier said:
I would not buy another motorola defy by the locked bootloader, my next phone will have unlocked bootloader
Motorola sucks
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Me too... No bootloader = No more sales!

DEFY+ is old...... Why not try dual core .....like I9100?

Defy+ Update
Defy+ is great phone with improved motoblur
& here is one more reason to look forward to - ICS update for Defy+
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1378691

I would have bought it if I am at your place ..... its got official cm7 miui etc and have great dev support thumbs up .....
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Defy+ is great!
I'm also really satisfied with my Defy+. Rooted, MS2Ginger 2.1 with all patches (except the ones which have something to do with Blur), V6 Supercharger, now it is quite fast, good for playing around (testing different ROMs, nearly unbrickable) and really sturdy (even more with Otter Box Commuter Case). The size is also perfect.
May not be state-of-the-art hardware but has the potential to be a good phone even alongside the next generations of smartphones.

Custom ROMs for Defy+ (MB526)

Hi all!
I've started this thread to share experience about the custom ROMs made exclusively for the Defy+, because I haven't seen such a collection topic here before. There's no Defy+ section here yet, and it's sometimes hard to find out if a Defy ROM works on MB526 also. So let's start off with the ROMs I've tried so far:
1. MIUI Pikachu Edition - this ROM has bricked my phone with bootloader error, but I've been able to bring it back to life by flashing this SBF with RSD Lite, which proved as a good base for Defy+ custom ROMs.
2. Epsylon's CM7.2, which had to be modded with camera and battery fix. It has some annoying bugs, and the latest version here is still from 27th January. Better avoid using it.
3. CM7 WhiteRabbit Edition 1.3 - it's just upgraded to 1.4, but the 1.3 I tried was based on the same 27th January build, so same annoying bugs. Looking good and fast as lightning on the other hand. UPDATE: I've asked TweetyPeety in the forum to use the latest Quarx2k CM builds instead of Epsylon's, and he said he would look into it.
4. CM9 by Quarx, build from 18th March. Awesome look, but the GUI is very slow, I suppose the hardware acceleration is not fully implemented yet. The overall operating of this ROM is quite fast though, the Gallery is exceptionally fast, if I overlook the graphical lags. Surprising, but I haven't experienced any stability problems, no FCs, no reboots, everything worked, this one looks super-stable. Only a few features are missing. Keep up the good work, Quarx.
5. CM7.2 by Quarx, build 20120323. I'm using it now, no problems so far. The GUI is a bit less fluid compared to WhiteRabbit. UPDATE: New 20120328 build has arrived!
6. NEW! EuroSkank KANGs for Defy+. No bugs encountered so far, the GUI is a little bit smoother than on Quarx2k's build, but maybe it's just a placebo effect.
7. Nothing But Speed! I'm using it right now, and it's extraordinary. New ROM based on MS2Ginger, tweaked by me, check it out here!
Note: I had to disable CPU management in the 2ndInit bootmenu for Quarx ROMs, otherwise it displays 0MHz as maximum frequency in CM performance settings, cannot be changed, and the CPU does not reach 1GHz.
WARNING! This thread is not for beginners. If you are not familiar with flashing SBF files, installing 2ndInit, installing zipped updates from recovery, doing nandroid backups etc, read this beginner's guide first!

great thread! finally something 526-specific
I've just tryed the Epsilon cm72, I experienced the same as you

Battery problems with cm72
Brilliant thread. The defy plus is replacing the defy everywhere and there should be more dedicated threads like this.
After reading the thread I tried out Quarx's CM7.2 build 20120323 but the battery had a question mark on it and I could not find a solution.
Did anyone else have this issue??

Epsylon's mod needs to be fixed flashing these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21834834&postcount=54
Maybe they work also for Quarx's..

So Good
the ICS quarkx last ICS build for Defy+ looks amazing, i'm using it right now, camera have been fized and everything seems to work like an oficial motorola update

Tried that fix
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Epsylon's mod needs to be fixed flashing these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21834834&postcount=54
Maybe they work also for Quarx's..
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I have already applied both the fixes as instructed but there was no difference.

shrek8421 said:
Brilliant thread. The defy plus is replacing the defy everywhere and there should be more dedicated threads like this.
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The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.

ejstubbs said:
The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.
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I don't think so.. Defy+ seems to have some specific issues: problems on camera, battery, new sbf.. If not, why the modders are shipping specific builds for this device?

ejstubbs said:
The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.
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But the confusion is already there
dvdOpulento said:
I don't think so.. Defy+ seems to have some specific issues: problems on camera, battery, new sbf.. If not, why the modders are shipping specific builds for this device?
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He is right, you know. DEFY+ is an overclocked bayer camera DEFY with a larger battery.
*Camera and battery fixes are needed on Epsylon's builds, because he has a SOC DEFY. Quarx's has had a DEFY+ for a short while now, but his builds are already completely adjusted to it (both camera and battery are working completely correctly)
Everybody with an MB526! I've started an all-in-one guide thread for it, since the confusion is obviously very present... Please, ask questions that you have and things you think should be in the guide in private messages! So we don't mess up the thread too quickly.
It's here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1566861
@Goose-T Mate, please don't be offended by this!

shrek8421 said:
Brilliant thread. The defy plus is replacing the defy everywhere and there should be more dedicated threads like this.
After reading the thread I tried out Quarx's CM7.2 build 20120323 but the battery had a question mark on it and I could not find a solution.
Did anyone else have this issue??
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The kernel of your phone may not be fully compatible with CyanogenMod. What is your phone's build and kernel version? You can find it in Settings/About phone.

ejstubbs said:
The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.
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Unfortunately most of the custom ROMs for Defy are made to be compatible with Froyo kernel, which cannot be flashed to Defy+, as far as I know. That's the biggest separation line in my opinion.

Goose-T said:
Unfortunately most of the custom ROMs for Defy are made to be compatible with Froyo kernel, which cannot be flashed to Defy+, as far as I know. That's the biggest separation line in my opinion.
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Froyo can be flashed on DEFY+ and it's as simple as flashing 2.3.6 that you like to tell people to do so much
Guys, don't rush into things. Read, then read more, then ask about what you are unsure about, then read more, then triple check, and then maybe you're set to try modding. DEFY and DEFY+ are almost impossible to brick completely, but that doesn't make the experience of your phone being stuck at Motorola logo easier at all. Trust me

niksy+ said:
Froyo can be flashed on DEFY+ and it's as simple as flashing 2.3.6 that you like to tell people to do so much
Guys, don't rush into things. Read, then read more, then ask about what you are unsure about, then read more, then triple check, and then maybe you're set to try modding. DEFY and DEFY+ are almost impossible to brick completely, but that doesn't make the experience of your phone being stuck at Motorola logo easier at all. Trust me
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OK, I just don't want to share experience I don't have. Instead of that I tell here what's working for me.

Phone model
Goose-T said:
The kernel of your phone may not be fully compatible with CyanogenMod. What is your phone's build and kernel version? You can find it in Settings/About phone.
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System: 45.0.1321.MB526.AsiaRetail.en03
Kernel: gbdd614e
Buil: 4.5.1.134_DFP-1321

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System: 45.0.1321.MB526.AsiaRetail.en03
Kernel: gbdd614e
Buil: 4.5.1.134_DFP-1321
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Strange, this build should be OK for CM7.2. However I've heard somewhere that Motorola is now shipping Defy+ with a new battery, and its capacity is now only 1650mAh instead of 1700mAh. My phone has the 1700mAh battery. Check this video out, at 1:55 there's both 1650mAh and 1700mAh marking on the battery. Can you check your battery's specs? It must be on the back side of it.

1700/1650 mAh
Goose-T said:
Strange, this build should be OK for CM7.2. However I've heard somewhere that Motorola is now shipping Defy+ with a new battery, and its capacity is now only 1650mAh instead of 1700mAh. My phone has the 1700mAh battery. Check out, at 1:55 there's both 1650mAh and 1700mAh marking on the battery. Can you check your battery's specs? It must be on the back side of it.
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Yes. My battery is exactly that one. Both 1650 and 1700 on the battery. Damn. I hope I can find a solution. The question mark on the battery still remains. Though when connected to a charger the green LED glows. But the "?" on the battery icon remains.

Hi Goose-T,
what can be seen on the battery in that video, and also on the HF5X in my DEFY+ is the minimum and typical milli-amp hour ratings of the battery.
It's listed as 1650 mAh min, 1700 mAh typ.
So, it's a 1700 mAh battery. Motorola (or the chinese manufacturer of the battery) is just being precise about the absolute worst performance you'll get from it, is telling you what you should expect to get from it, and ofcourse higher capacities are not defined but I supposed could be possible, should you be so lucky.
-Z

next WhiteRabbit PLUS will be based on the latest QUARX, didn't know his source and Jordan is out of date.

Zn0rt said:
Hi Goose-T,
what can be seen on the battery in that video, and also on the HF5X in my DEFY+ is the minimum and typical milli-amp hour ratings of the battery.
It's listed as 1650 mAh min, 1700 mAh typ.
So, it's a 1700 mAh battery. Motorola (or the chinese manufacturer of the battery) is just being precise about the absolute worst performance you'll get from it, is telling you what you should expect to get from it, and ofcourse higher capacities are not defined but I supposed could be possible, should you be so lucky.
-Z
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Yes, I checked my battery yesterday, and saw the same marking on mine. Now I'm completely clueless. Anyway, the attached battd file may help, this worked for me on Epsylon's build. It should be copied into the CM updater ZIP file before flashing with Total Commander to the \system\bin folder overwriting the old battd file.
TweetyPeety said:
next WhiteRabbit PLUS will be based on the latest QUARX, didn't know his source and Jordan is out of date.
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Aw yeah! I have a feeling that the best ROM is coming for the Defy+!

new quarx nightly

[DISCUSSION] Splitting defy and defy+ development

Alright! So I've been thinking about this for a while.
The defy is progressing fast in development despite having a locked bootloader (thanks to our amazing devs ), but as most of you already know, we have to do with three different devices. We have the green lens defy (soc), the red lens defy (bayer) and the defy+ (bayer too). Red lens users are the lucky guys since they can use both froyo and gingerbread kernels, but green lens users only have working camera on the froyo kernel (except for greenbreadmod). Defy+ users with bl7 cannot downgrade to froyo kernel either.
We could all downgrade to froyo kernel if it hadn't been for bl7 with the bl6 froyo sbf, but the gingerbread kernel is better on many areas for red lens users with deepsleep, stock gingerbread, some say better performance and battery life, etc.
My suggestion is to split development into defy development (froyo kernel) and defy+ development (gingerbread kernel) (I'm talking about completely seperate sub-forums, e.g. Defy General, Defy+ android development, Defy android development, etc). That's what they've done in many other forums, e.g. Galaxy S II with the I9100G and the original I9100, although we're here talking about completely different hardware (different processors).
Most of us are already used to this, and really don't really mind having two different development branches in the same sub-forum, but it would be a lot easier to e.g. tracking bugs and new releases for CM9, as different kernel builds have different bugs, and people are often not that good at telling what build they're on when they come with their problems. Defy+ users would no longer get bricked (at least it would be more rare), as there would be a separate defy+ area, and green lense users would not get stuck on bl7 that often if we could warn them properly. People would no longer ask about kernels, as it is obvious that its a gingerbread/froyo kernel ROM according to the development sub-forum.
Not everyone may be very happy about this and it would require a lot of work moving and splitting threads. Some of the development is independent of kernels, and there would perhaps be no good place to put them. It may even cause more confusion for all i know.
Feel free to share your thoughts, but also remember to vote the POLL
Cheers.
PS! I'm ready for rotten tomatoes...

if we had unlocked BL there would be far less need for separate development as we could all run the same kernel. we should instead concentrate our efforts on having the supposedly non-evil Z GOOGLE who is now the company who makes moto branded phones quit being so EVIL and unlock us already

That's what i am saying. Seperated threads. One for green lens froyo and one for ginger red lense.

Deonix said:
That's what i am saying. Seperated threads. One for green lens froyo and one for ginger red lense.
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+1 on that. I will vote ASAP (On android xda app. Can't vote)
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Agree..
I'll vote soon..
Doesn't matter from where I send it, what matters is written above

Different thread is okay for me...not different development section

I agree but...
I agree there needs to be more division but what for roms like ms2ginger where it is orientated to the red lensed camera but allows for green lensed defy with greenbreadmod. Then you are asking a developer to maintain two seperate threads in different sections of the forum.

Exactly! Good point! Keep coming with arguments from either side and I'll make a list in the OP
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This will avoid confusion. +1 for your thought.

I agree coz im planning buy defy or defy + but im confused on which to choose.
All i know is that defy+ got 1ghz than defy. . Could someone post an advantage and disadvantage list of these phones?
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Personally I'd say KEEP AWAY from Moto's locked bootloaders! Don't buy any Motorola product until they unlock ALL their devices!
My defy+ is my last Motorola purchase EVER.
but if you still can't help yourself from buying one, I'd recommend a RED LENS defy or a defy+ (first choice would be the red lens because it doesn't require battery fix on any custom ROM and it's shipped with a lower bootloader version which lets you flash more kernels). Green lens users are stuck with froyo (as stated in the OP).
Now let's go on topic again
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okay, so lets get this clear:
mb525 defy green lens (soc): 800mhz cpu, 1540mah battery, green lens - only works on froyo kernel
mb525 defy red lens (bayer): 800mhz cpu, 1540mah battery, red lens - works on both kernels (froyo and gb)
mb526 defy+ (bayer): 1ghz cpu, 1700mah battery, red lens - works only on gb kernel (bl7)
to avoid confusion, these all have the SAME cpu (ti omap 3630), just with different frequencies, but you can easily overclock them (ive been using my defy on 1ghz for a year now). that means that the only difference in hardware is the battery, and there are tons of aftermarket batteries (im using a 2300mah one).
i love my phone, but i too say to keep away from motorola, as we defy users have all been betrayed by them, left alone. not just that we dont get upgrades, but we cant even flash cooked roms because of the locked bootloader, which will probably never be unlocked. were stuck on gb kernel (froyo for soc), and will never be able to run ics properly, as without a custom kernel, the hwa can never be fully implemented.
as for the topic: i dont think we need separate subforums, just separate threads, each clearly stating for which version it is intended. this will avoid confusion, but still will be accessible in the same place (which is good for bayer defy users - like me - who can basically use whichever rom they want). i will vote as soon as i get to my pc
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Oh please do it, I'm getting crazy to understand which post to follo w for rooting or install roms. It's so confusing to have them merged together

Different Threadsss

+1
I think one froyo kernel aka green lense users and other for red lense/Defy+ GB kernel so really there should be one more thread made since Epsylon3 has one for froyo....
Edit - Don't read you post fully
Yh this is the best idea but it will be hard and a lot of work for Step666 our forum moderator to move and split everything up also the devs don't have time to be posting in two sections i think​

I totally agree. The development forums are a mess now!
Besides the efforts done by some users trying to make default threads, You don't know where to get the latest rom, the latest kernel, or where to report a bug!
EDIT: the splitting should be Defy Greens Lens in one side and Defy Red Lens/Defy+ on the other