Hi all!
I've started this thread to share experience about the custom ROMs made exclusively for the Defy+, because I haven't seen such a collection topic here before. There's no Defy+ section here yet, and it's sometimes hard to find out if a Defy ROM works on MB526 also. So let's start off with the ROMs I've tried so far:
1. MIUI Pikachu Edition - this ROM has bricked my phone with bootloader error, but I've been able to bring it back to life by flashing this SBF with RSD Lite, which proved as a good base for Defy+ custom ROMs.
2. Epsylon's CM7.2, which had to be modded with camera and battery fix. It has some annoying bugs, and the latest version here is still from 27th January. Better avoid using it.
3. CM7 WhiteRabbit Edition 1.3 - it's just upgraded to 1.4, but the 1.3 I tried was based on the same 27th January build, so same annoying bugs. Looking good and fast as lightning on the other hand. UPDATE: I've asked TweetyPeety in the forum to use the latest Quarx2k CM builds instead of Epsylon's, and he said he would look into it.
4. CM9 by Quarx, build from 18th March. Awesome look, but the GUI is very slow, I suppose the hardware acceleration is not fully implemented yet. The overall operating of this ROM is quite fast though, the Gallery is exceptionally fast, if I overlook the graphical lags. Surprising, but I haven't experienced any stability problems, no FCs, no reboots, everything worked, this one looks super-stable. Only a few features are missing. Keep up the good work, Quarx.
5. CM7.2 by Quarx, build 20120323. I'm using it now, no problems so far. The GUI is a bit less fluid compared to WhiteRabbit. UPDATE: New 20120328 build has arrived!
6. NEW! EuroSkank KANGs for Defy+. No bugs encountered so far, the GUI is a little bit smoother than on Quarx2k's build, but maybe it's just a placebo effect.
7. Nothing But Speed! I'm using it right now, and it's extraordinary. New ROM based on MS2Ginger, tweaked by me, check it out here!
Note: I had to disable CPU management in the 2ndInit bootmenu for Quarx ROMs, otherwise it displays 0MHz as maximum frequency in CM performance settings, cannot be changed, and the CPU does not reach 1GHz.
WARNING! This thread is not for beginners. If you are not familiar with flashing SBF files, installing 2ndInit, installing zipped updates from recovery, doing nandroid backups etc, read this beginner's guide first!
great thread! finally something 526-specific
I've just tryed the Epsilon cm72, I experienced the same as you
Battery problems with cm72
Brilliant thread. The defy plus is replacing the defy everywhere and there should be more dedicated threads like this.
After reading the thread I tried out Quarx's CM7.2 build 20120323 but the battery had a question mark on it and I could not find a solution.
Did anyone else have this issue??
Epsylon's mod needs to be fixed flashing these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21834834&postcount=54
Maybe they work also for Quarx's..
So Good
the ICS quarkx last ICS build for Defy+ looks amazing, i'm using it right now, camera have been fized and everything seems to work like an oficial motorola update
Tried that fix
dvdOpulento said:
Epsylon's mod needs to be fixed flashing these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21834834&postcount=54
Maybe they work also for Quarx's..
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I have already applied both the fixes as instructed but there was no difference.
shrek8421 said:
Brilliant thread. The defy plus is replacing the defy everywhere and there should be more dedicated threads like this.
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The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.
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The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.
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I don't think so.. Defy+ seems to have some specific issues: problems on camera, battery, new sbf.. If not, why the modders are shipping specific builds for this device?
ejstubbs said:
The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.
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But the confusion is already there
dvdOpulento said:
I don't think so.. Defy+ seems to have some specific issues: problems on camera, battery, new sbf.. If not, why the modders are shipping specific builds for this device?
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He is right, you know. DEFY+ is an overclocked bayer camera DEFY with a larger battery.
*Camera and battery fixes are needed on Epsylon's builds, because he has a SOC DEFY. Quarx's has had a DEFY+ for a short while now, but his builds are already completely adjusted to it (both camera and battery are working completely correctly)
Everybody with an MB526! I've started an all-in-one guide thread for it, since the confusion is obviously very present... Please, ask questions that you have and things you think should be in the guide in private messages! So we don't mess up the thread too quickly.
It's here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1566861
@Goose-T Mate, please don't be offended by this!
shrek8421 said:
Brilliant thread. The defy plus is replacing the defy everywhere and there should be more dedicated threads like this.
After reading the thread I tried out Quarx's CM7.2 build 20120323 but the battery had a question mark on it and I could not find a solution.
Did anyone else have this issue??
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The kernel of your phone may not be fully compatible with CyanogenMod. What is your phone's build and kernel version? You can find it in Settings/About phone.
ejstubbs said:
The Defy+ is just a Defy with the Bayer (red lens) camera (which some Defys have anyway), a larger capacity battery and overclocked to 1GHz (which you can easily do on a rooted Defy). It's exactly the same hardware platform as the red lens Defy and the same ROMs will work on it as on the red lens Defy. There really isn't much point in having separate Defy and Defy+ threads IMO, it would just clutter up the forums and cause confusion.
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Unfortunately most of the custom ROMs for Defy are made to be compatible with Froyo kernel, which cannot be flashed to Defy+, as far as I know. That's the biggest separation line in my opinion.
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Unfortunately most of the custom ROMs for Defy are made to be compatible with Froyo kernel, which cannot be flashed to Defy+, as far as I know. That's the biggest separation line in my opinion.
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Froyo can be flashed on DEFY+ and it's as simple as flashing 2.3.6 that you like to tell people to do so much
Guys, don't rush into things. Read, then read more, then ask about what you are unsure about, then read more, then triple check, and then maybe you're set to try modding. DEFY and DEFY+ are almost impossible to brick completely, but that doesn't make the experience of your phone being stuck at Motorola logo easier at all. Trust me
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Froyo can be flashed on DEFY+ and it's as simple as flashing 2.3.6 that you like to tell people to do so much
Guys, don't rush into things. Read, then read more, then ask about what you are unsure about, then read more, then triple check, and then maybe you're set to try modding. DEFY and DEFY+ are almost impossible to brick completely, but that doesn't make the experience of your phone being stuck at Motorola logo easier at all. Trust me
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OK, I just don't want to share experience I don't have. Instead of that I tell here what's working for me.
Phone model
Goose-T said:
The kernel of your phone may not be fully compatible with CyanogenMod. What is your phone's build and kernel version? You can find it in Settings/About phone.
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System: 45.0.1321.MB526.AsiaRetail.en03
Kernel: gbdd614e
Buil: 4.5.1.134_DFP-1321
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System: 45.0.1321.MB526.AsiaRetail.en03
Kernel: gbdd614e
Buil: 4.5.1.134_DFP-1321
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Strange, this build should be OK for CM7.2. However I've heard somewhere that Motorola is now shipping Defy+ with a new battery, and its capacity is now only 1650mAh instead of 1700mAh. My phone has the 1700mAh battery. Check this video out, at 1:55 there's both 1650mAh and 1700mAh marking on the battery. Can you check your battery's specs? It must be on the back side of it.
1700/1650 mAh
Goose-T said:
Strange, this build should be OK for CM7.2. However I've heard somewhere that Motorola is now shipping Defy+ with a new battery, and its capacity is now only 1650mAh instead of 1700mAh. My phone has the 1700mAh battery. Check out, at 1:55 there's both 1650mAh and 1700mAh marking on the battery. Can you check your battery's specs? It must be on the back side of it.
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Yes. My battery is exactly that one. Both 1650 and 1700 on the battery. Damn. I hope I can find a solution. The question mark on the battery still remains. Though when connected to a charger the green LED glows. But the "?" on the battery icon remains.
Hi Goose-T,
what can be seen on the battery in that video, and also on the HF5X in my DEFY+ is the minimum and typical milli-amp hour ratings of the battery.
It's listed as 1650 mAh min, 1700 mAh typ.
So, it's a 1700 mAh battery. Motorola (or the chinese manufacturer of the battery) is just being precise about the absolute worst performance you'll get from it, is telling you what you should expect to get from it, and ofcourse higher capacities are not defined but I supposed could be possible, should you be so lucky.
-Z
next WhiteRabbit PLUS will be based on the latest QUARX, didn't know his source and Jordan is out of date.
Zn0rt said:
Hi Goose-T,
what can be seen on the battery in that video, and also on the HF5X in my DEFY+ is the minimum and typical milli-amp hour ratings of the battery.
It's listed as 1650 mAh min, 1700 mAh typ.
So, it's a 1700 mAh battery. Motorola (or the chinese manufacturer of the battery) is just being precise about the absolute worst performance you'll get from it, is telling you what you should expect to get from it, and ofcourse higher capacities are not defined but I supposed could be possible, should you be so lucky.
-Z
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Yes, I checked my battery yesterday, and saw the same marking on mine. Now I'm completely clueless. Anyway, the attached battd file may help, this worked for me on Epsylon's build. It should be copied into the CM updater ZIP file before flashing with Total Commander to the \system\bin folder overwriting the old battd file.
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next WhiteRabbit PLUS will be based on the latest QUARX, didn't know his source and Jordan is out of date.
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Aw yeah! I have a feeling that the best ROM is coming for the Defy+!
new quarx nightly
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Hello all.
My free defy turns up tomorrow.
Hope cm7 is at the same level as it is with the SGS.
I'm sure you will all be seeing me lurking around the forums.
Sent from my phone
@iammodo I don't know at which level in CM7 for SGS, but for Defy it's pretty close to perfection (except few minor bugs). You can start by reading the development or the faq thread.
yeah..CM7 final is on the way, just wait for few bugs fixed.
From what i hear, cm7 on defy is better than on many other devices, including some officially supported ones.
Might give stock a chance.
samsung really smegged up on stock rom.
Sent from my Tablet
If you want to give stock a chance, you should at least try the stock 2.3.4 (leaked of course)
boonhoong said:
If you want to give stock a chance, you should at least try the stock 2.3.4 (leaked of course)
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Yes, 2.3.4 leaked is awesome!
Despite the ultra-bright softkeys ( and data disabled icon which is fixed in the status bar ), it's worth giving a try .
I've done some mess and i had to downgrade to froyo, and so i couldn't avoid installing CM7 RC1 which is really great.
And, of course, I suggest anyone installing CM7 ( on Defy )!
Luckly I have my SGS and Xoom to use while getting my defy how I like it.
Seems lots of fun flashing.
Hopes its a simple as Xoom or SGS.
Find htc's rather annoying with their ruu.exe update applications.
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Yay got the phone before work. No orange logo on the back.
Orange branded software 2.2.2 not to much bloat ware.
Rather happy
Sent from my MB525
Something to check also is the camera module in your defy: BAYER (red one, the newer) or SOC (green one, older). I just received my defy 2 days ago, but unfortunately got the old SOC green camera. :-( From what I gathered here, it means that leaked 2.3 roms are a no-no (camera will not function), and 720p mods will not work either. Not sure the SOC camera is intrinsically worse than the BAYER one, but it is not as well supported (not part of the new leaked rom, probably because defy "replacement" always use a BAYER).
Mines red.
But haven't checked the logcat to double check yet.
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well i was looking forward to buy this Motorola defy !
but before i wanna know the complete installation method of cm7
and which lense Defy's in INDIA have ? green or red ?
and whats difference between both ?
A last but not the least i have heared about BUGS in cm7 and what do they do ? do they affect my phone physically ?
and yes a last and most important one I am too concerned about battrey will CM7 affect battrey i mean if it increases its good if decreases then
Thanx in Advance thanx alot
i am new to this group and enjoying what i am reading and watching on this site !!
just Love it u people Rock
i wish i was a developer but my bad I m in commerce field !!!
Really guys u r amazing !!! Thanx alot
How to install cm7:
Here its perfectly explained http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065798
About the bugs: I'm business cm7 rc1 right now and i think its stable enough for normal use, the i the most important problem i have now is the wifi, always disconnects
About battery life: I've undervolted my defy and the battery seems to (live?) more time, today I've made a medium use and it has now 45% left
And about lenses: I've no idea,sorry
I hope this helps you
I also believe that CM7 is good enough for for daily use. I've never had wifi disconnection problems with CM7 and battery life is great. I have 0 issue with RC1.
Don't forget that the comments you read on CM7, are often in regards to new options added daily or because people report fake problems (like battery drain) because they don't follow FAQ's instructions.
Don't hesitate: CM7 is 3x better than stock rom. And if you do not agree, it is really easy to go back to your Froyo.
Nowadays all new Defy sold should have red lens. Green ones just have more issue dealing with wide screen pics and video recording. But 2 of the main CM7 devs have green lens defy and are doing their best at fixing the camera. Since last week (July 10-11th nightly build), the widescreen video recording is perfect for me.
I currenrly use CM7 RC1v2 with 110711 (nightly camera.apk extracted from the nightly build zip)
Or you could run with CM 6.1 until they get to the official stable release of 7. 6.1 is rock-solid, and has better battery life than stock.
DInc with CyanogenMod 6.1 & Invisiblek #28 kernel.
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How to install cm7:
Here its perfectly explained http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065798
About the bugs: I'm business cm7 rc1 right now and i think its stable enough for normal use, the i the most important problem i have now is the wifi, always disconnects
About battery life: I've undervolted my defy and the battery seems to (live?) more time, today I've made a medium use and it has now 45% left
And about lenses: I've no idea,sorry
I hope this helps you
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thanx alot !!!
OlafTheOx said:
Or you could run with CM 6.1 until they get to the official stable release of 7. 6.1 is rock-solid, and has better battery life than stock.
DInc with CyanogenMod 6.1 & Invisiblek #28 kernel.
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Thanx alot buddy...
well i m a little bit hard user of WIFI like 2 to 3 hours...so for how long battrey of defy can stand ??
thanx a lot people....
ill start donating when i earn on ma own this site is great !! love it
elbomba said:
How to install cm7:
Here its perfectly explained http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065798
About the bugs: I'm business cm7 rc1 right now and i think its stable enough for normal use, the i the most important problem i have now is the wifi, always disconnects
About battery life: I've undervolted my defy and the battery seems to (live?) more time, today I've made a medium use and it has now 45% left
And about lenses: I've no idea,sorry
I hope this helps you
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For what it's worth - I'm on cm7 rc1 + cm7-110715-1018-NIGHTLY and have zero wifi issues.
upload a video ?
please people can anyone upload proper video for rooting and installing the mentioned CM7 version ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065798
What's wrong with the FAQ? The instructions there are find and there is no need for a video.
This is also a good read: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216982
twa_priv said:
What's wrong with the FAQ? The instructions there are find and there is no need for a video.
This is also a good read: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216982
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nothings wrong...but i m too worried coz..i have zero experience in modding and all....
anyway after reading link now i have gained some confidence to do it....
thanx....
and which SBF shud i use i have 2.2 official on defy....
actually i waan have better gaming expirience on defy thats reason for modding..
thanx again for rplying..
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and which SBF shud i use i have 2.2 official on defy....
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Thats exactly what you need.
which CM7 r u using ?
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Thats exactly what you need.
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heyy buddy...
by the way which version of CM7 r u using i mean i just want a ROM which can be used over a longer period...!! any suggestions ?
thanks
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I also believe that CM7 is good enough for for daily use. I've never had wifi disconnection problems with CM7 and battery life is great. I have 0 issue with RC1.
Don't forget that the comments you read on CM7, are often in regards to new options added daily or because people report fake problems (like battery drain) because they don't follow FAQ's instructions.
Don't hesitate: CM7 is 3x better than stock rom. And if you do not agree, it is really easy to go back to your Froyo.
Nowadays all new Defy sold should have red lens. Green ones just have more issue dealing with wide screen pics and video recording. But 2 of the main CM7 devs have green lens defy and are doing their best at fixing the camera. Since last week (July 10-11th nightly build), the widescreen video recording is perfect for me.
I currenrly use CM7 RC1v2 with 110711 (nightly camera.apk extracted from the nightly build zip)
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thanx for the perfect answer....now m planning to shift to DEFY+ what say ???
Help me Also
Im a little bit confuse on installing any custom roms
I have rooted my phone via super oneclick
I have a 2.51.1 defy running on 2.1 eclair
and then i dont know where to start after this
i dont know which correct sbfs to use
plsss help
Detailed Technical Specifications of Motorola DEFY+ MB526
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3069&view=1&c=motorola_defy+_mb526
Related_Page: http://developer.motorola.com/products/defyplus-mb526/
But the big question is: Can we use the rom of Defy+ After Release without green lens problem????
SWAT AXEL said:
Detailed Technical Specifications of Motorola DEFY+ MB526
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3069&view=1&c=motorola_defy+_mb526
Related_Page: http://developer.motorola.com/products/defyplus-mb526/
But the big question is: Can we use the rom of Defy+ After Release without green lens problem????
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nope, the mb526 has bayer module, its roms wont have the drivers for the soc module. we cant do anything until they unlock the bootloader...
SWAT AXEL said:
Detailed Technical Specifications of Motorola DEFY+ MB526
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3069&view=1&c=motorola_defy+_mb526
Related_Page: http://developer.motorola.com/products/defyplus-mb526/
But the big question is: Can we use the rom of Defy+ After Release without green lens problem????
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They released defy+ with android 2.3.3. (latest Leaked was 2.3.4) I think with greenbreadmod we can use all defy+ roms on green lens defys.
Android 2.3.3. can rooted direct.
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They released defy+ with android 2.3.3. (latest Leaked was 2.3.4) I think with greenbreadmod we can use all defy+ roms on green lens defys.
Android 2.3.3. can rooted direct.
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AFAIK, It is not possible until the bootloader is unlocked (I wonder why they want to complicate things for themselves ). Again, from what I have seen here (after a long gap of inactivity ) greenbreadmod is not fully compatible with CM7 (if that's what you are talking about, and I don't know about nightlies. The RC1, which my friend has doesn't seem to have it). So, even if defy+ roms are ported somehow, onto defy, those with green-lens have to wait till someone gets the mod up and running on CM7... or Motorola themselves upgrade defy to gingerbread (which is possibly not happening, cuz defy+'s sole marketing vantage point lies on 'gingerbread').
Hope I have answered your question...
who said anything about cm7? we were talking about using the stock gb mb526 rom on a green lens mb525.
sent from my cm7 defy...
He he.. Sorry, kinda got carried away... doesn't that depend on motorola then?
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AFAIK, It is not possible until the bootloader is unlocked (I wonder why they want to complicate things for themselves ). Again, from what I have seen here (after a long gap of inactivity ) greenbreadmod is not fully compatible with CM7 (if that's what you are talking about, and I don't know about nightlies. The RC1, which my friend has doesn't seem to have it). So, even if defy+ roms are ported somehow, onto defy, those with green-lens have to wait till someone gets the mod up and running on CM7... or Motorola themselves upgrade defy to gingerbread (which is possibly not happening, cuz defy+'s sole marketing vantage point lies on 'gingerbread').
Hope I have answered your question...
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Not really. I think the average everyday Joe would see 1GHZ over 800MHZ as the selling point. GB would be secondary if at all. People I talk to are more concerned about speed than what OS it's running. IMO
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Not really. I think the average everyday Joe would see 1GHZ over 800MHZ as the selling point. GB would be secondary if at all. People I talk to are more concerned about speed than what OS it's running. IMO
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ummm... I said all of those by mistake. I can prove to you why 1ghz would take lesser priority over GB, but I don't think hijacking this thread is a good idea. This doesn't quite fit here does it?
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I'm only interested in defy+'s battery.it seems that the battery capacity will be about 1700mAh,I hope that is ture and our defy can also use the battery.
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I'm only interested in defy+'s battery.it seems that the battery capacity will be about 1700mAh,I hope that is ture and our defy can also use the battery.
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yes you can
just check the stronger battery for the defy and you will find 1700mah.
i think its 50 $ check it in google.
Is there any source for Defy+ having Bayer camera? I'm starting to wonder if Defy+ will be like regular Defy, meaning that some phones will come with SOC and some with Bayer if at all. Recently manufactured Defy phones come with SOC only after all.
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Is there any source for Defy+ having Bayer camera? I'm starting to wonder if Defy+ will be like regular Defy, meaning that some phones will come with SOC and some with Bayer if at all. Recently manufactured Defy phones come with SOC only after all.
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The leaked roms are the proof: they support only Bayer...so it is highly probable that defy+ will use only bayer. The fact that all the new defy comes with SOC is maybe because moto is clearing its stock of soc modules (and 1500 mAh batteries). When it is done, no more defy will be produced...or, instead, only defy with bayer will be produced, but flashed with new gingerbread rom and sold as defy+ (which is imho the defy with a bayer cam, a new supplier for oem battery, and the use of a different colored plastic in the same injection molding lines for the frame. I am 90% sure bayer defy using a mugen equivalent battery IS the defy+. You'll know if I was right in Septembre, when first defy+ get dissassembled side by side with a defy ;-) )
I wonder if the new battery will fit the original defy.
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I wonder if the new battery will fit the original defy.
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I think they will, and if they don't, we can buy mugen, people say they are good batteries.
I just got an MB525 with Android 2.2.2 and the SOC camera module (doh?).
I'm fairly happy aside from it freezing up once in a while and that I'm not crazy about MOTOBLUR. However, I can turn in this one for free and wait for the new one to arrive (beginning of September?), which should cost about the same. What's your take on the Defy+ (or is that Plus)? When can we expect the phone to go on sale in Northern-Europe? What would you advise me to do? Which phone offers the most?
And a couple of random n00bish questions:
1. My GF managed to push those two "buttons/knobs" behind the battery cover. A sticker on the cover said one shouldn't, does it matter? What does it do?
2. Is there a simple way to remove some of the pre-installed apps, such as Amazon MP3, YouTube, 3G Mobile Hotspot, etc? If not, is there a way to rearrange the "home menu" (containing all the app icons) to put the less relevant apps further down?
Thanks a bunch good folks!
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I just got an MB525 with Android 2.2.2 and the SOC camera module (doh?).
I'm fairly happy aside from it freezing up once in a while and that I'm not crazy about MOTOBLUR. However, I can turn in this one for free and wait for the new one to arrive (beginning of September?), which should cost about the same. What's your take on the Defy+ (or is that Plus)? When can we expect the phone to go on sale in Northern-Europe? What would you advise me to do? Which phone offers the most?
And a couple of random n00bish questions:
1. My GF managed to push those two "buttons/knobs" behind the battery cover. A sticker on the cover said one shouldn't, does it matter? What does it do?
2. Is there a simple way to remove some of the pre-installed apps, such as Amazon MP3, YouTube, 3G Mobile Hotspot, etc? If not, is there a way to rearrange the "home menu" (containing all the app icons) to put the less relevant apps further down?
Thanks a bunch good folks!
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defy+ is basically an overclocked, red lensed defy with a slightly better battery.
differences:
- defy+ is running on 1GHz by default, but you can easily overclock the defy
- defy+ has 1700mAh battery, but you can buy that for defy too
- defy+ has bayer module/red lens, which enables 720p recording
decide whether you need these things or not. my advice is to install cm7 on it, and dont even think about using the stock rom. (cm7 is lightyears ahead of any stock rom, and it runs the same on defy and defy+)
1. which buttons are you talking about?
2. you have to root your phone to remove preinstalled apps i think.
and i really recommend you to use "launcherpro", which is (one of) the best launchers out there. way faster than stock, gives you the option to hide apps from the appdrawer, and many other things. try it!
My girl just got an insurance replacement it came with a red lens?
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if it cost the same, then get the Defy+
But where i live, Defy+, apart from it being not released yet, is much more expensive (or rather Original Defy is offered at a low discount), so i opted to go for the Defy, with some tweaks, it will be the same as Defy+ performance wise...
These two knobs (under the lens/flash, with an arrow between them):
w w w . l a p t o pm a g . co m / r e v ie w / n e w g a l l e r y .aspx?id=42981#top (link broken apart on purpose)
A better battery and 720p video sounds nice!
By the way, how is it recommended to charge the battery the first times?
The Defy+ doesnt record 720p by default i dont think.
I'm very happy about my defy, but if i were to buy a new device now, it doesn't be a defy+. There are a lot of other devices with a better cost/benefit.
r u guys sure that defy+ 1700mAh battery will fit into the defy?
it is the same model number so it has to really or it would cause many problems for everyone from the retailers to the users.
thiagobolivar said:
I'm very happy about my defy, but if i were to buy a new device now, it doesn't be a defy+. There are a lot of other devices with a better cost/benefit.
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if i were about to buy a new device right now, it would be the defy (not the defy+), cuz its still one of the best phones on the market right now! (and it definitely has the best value/price)
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kbxdauser2011 said:
r u guys sure that defy+ 1700mAh battery will fit into the defy?
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bump....does any1 have any idea here?
kbxdauser2011 said:
bump....does any1 have any idea here?
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The same question had crossed my mind! Just got the defy and was thinking to retrofit the defy+ battery when available in my region.
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i dont think we can say for sure until it actually comes out... expected in september i think??
i saw a video of a defy+ using the same bf5x battery as ours. the difference is, that battery is li-ion polymer, thats why it has a bigger capacity. so theoretically the defy will have no problem running on those batteries.
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bump....does any1 have any idea here?
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I'm sure its ok for the Defy too.
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The problems of freezing up/lagging are resolved and then some by CM7. I wonder perhaps if defy isn't a better choice because we don't yet know how CM7 will go on the defy+ - or if it even can.
it will be so good if the battery fits i ll buy one !!
If it opens up for a reasonable price Defy+ is not a bad update for old Defy users simply looking for a replacement , Nevertheless is still a ripoff !!
Just knew it'd be 234euro on UK market. Just 1 question...Can Defy's CyanogenMOD be installed on Defy+?
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Can Defy's CyanogenMOD be installed on Defy+?
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Defy+ will be shipped with 2.3 (godknowswhat build) preinstalled so until they find a way to root and downgrade to Nordic froyo, I guess we'll have to wait.
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Alright! So I've been thinking about this for a while.
The defy is progressing fast in development despite having a locked bootloader (thanks to our amazing devs ), but as most of you already know, we have to do with three different devices. We have the green lens defy (soc), the red lens defy (bayer) and the defy+ (bayer too). Red lens users are the lucky guys since they can use both froyo and gingerbread kernels, but green lens users only have working camera on the froyo kernel (except for greenbreadmod). Defy+ users with bl7 cannot downgrade to froyo kernel either.
We could all downgrade to froyo kernel if it hadn't been for bl7 with the bl6 froyo sbf, but the gingerbread kernel is better on many areas for red lens users with deepsleep, stock gingerbread, some say better performance and battery life, etc.
My suggestion is to split development into defy development (froyo kernel) and defy+ development (gingerbread kernel) (I'm talking about completely seperate sub-forums, e.g. Defy General, Defy+ android development, Defy android development, etc). That's what they've done in many other forums, e.g. Galaxy S II with the I9100G and the original I9100, although we're here talking about completely different hardware (different processors).
Most of us are already used to this, and really don't really mind having two different development branches in the same sub-forum, but it would be a lot easier to e.g. tracking bugs and new releases for CM9, as different kernel builds have different bugs, and people are often not that good at telling what build they're on when they come with their problems. Defy+ users would no longer get bricked (at least it would be more rare), as there would be a separate defy+ area, and green lense users would not get stuck on bl7 that often if we could warn them properly. People would no longer ask about kernels, as it is obvious that its a gingerbread/froyo kernel ROM according to the development sub-forum.
Not everyone may be very happy about this and it would require a lot of work moving and splitting threads. Some of the development is independent of kernels, and there would perhaps be no good place to put them. It may even cause more confusion for all i know.
Feel free to share your thoughts, but also remember to vote the POLL
Cheers.
PS! I'm ready for rotten tomatoes...
if we had unlocked BL there would be far less need for separate development as we could all run the same kernel. we should instead concentrate our efforts on having the supposedly non-evil Z GOOGLE who is now the company who makes moto branded phones quit being so EVIL and unlock us already
That's what i am saying. Seperated threads. One for green lens froyo and one for ginger red lense.
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That's what i am saying. Seperated threads. One for green lens froyo and one for ginger red lense.
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Vote the poll if you haven't already!
+1 on that. I will vote ASAP (On android xda app. Can't vote)
Motorola Defy, CM7 @ 1Ghz + CM9 multiboot
[Guide] Install double boot CM7 + CM9
[Guide][Root needed] Unsimlock your Defy
[Mod/Fix][APP]Messaging apps with ENTER button enabled!
Agree..
I'll vote soon..
Doesn't matter from where I send it, what matters is written above
Different thread is okay for me...not different development section
I agree but...
I agree there needs to be more division but what for roms like ms2ginger where it is orientated to the red lensed camera but allows for green lensed defy with greenbreadmod. Then you are asking a developer to maintain two seperate threads in different sections of the forum.
Exactly! Good point! Keep coming with arguments from either side and I'll make a list in the OP
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This will avoid confusion. +1 for your thought.
I agree coz im planning buy defy or defy + but im confused on which to choose.
All i know is that defy+ got 1ghz than defy. . Could someone post an advantage and disadvantage list of these phones?
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Personally I'd say KEEP AWAY from Moto's locked bootloaders! Don't buy any Motorola product until they unlock ALL their devices!
My defy+ is my last Motorola purchase EVER.
but if you still can't help yourself from buying one, I'd recommend a RED LENS defy or a defy+ (first choice would be the red lens because it doesn't require battery fix on any custom ROM and it's shipped with a lower bootloader version which lets you flash more kernels). Green lens users are stuck with froyo (as stated in the OP).
Now let's go on topic again
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okay, so lets get this clear:
mb525 defy green lens (soc): 800mhz cpu, 1540mah battery, green lens - only works on froyo kernel
mb525 defy red lens (bayer): 800mhz cpu, 1540mah battery, red lens - works on both kernels (froyo and gb)
mb526 defy+ (bayer): 1ghz cpu, 1700mah battery, red lens - works only on gb kernel (bl7)
to avoid confusion, these all have the SAME cpu (ti omap 3630), just with different frequencies, but you can easily overclock them (ive been using my defy on 1ghz for a year now). that means that the only difference in hardware is the battery, and there are tons of aftermarket batteries (im using a 2300mah one).
i love my phone, but i too say to keep away from motorola, as we defy users have all been betrayed by them, left alone. not just that we dont get upgrades, but we cant even flash cooked roms because of the locked bootloader, which will probably never be unlocked. were stuck on gb kernel (froyo for soc), and will never be able to run ics properly, as without a custom kernel, the hwa can never be fully implemented.
as for the topic: i dont think we need separate subforums, just separate threads, each clearly stating for which version it is intended. this will avoid confusion, but still will be accessible in the same place (which is good for bayer defy users - like me - who can basically use whichever rom they want). i will vote as soon as i get to my pc
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Oh please do it, I'm getting crazy to understand which post to follo w for rooting or install roms. It's so confusing to have them merged together
Different Threadsss
+1
I think one froyo kernel aka green lense users and other for red lense/Defy+ GB kernel so really there should be one more thread made since Epsylon3 has one for froyo....
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Yh this is the best idea but it will be hard and a lot of work for Step666 our forum moderator to move and split everything up also the devs don't have time to be posting in two sections i think
I totally agree. The development forums are a mess now!
Besides the efforts done by some users trying to make default threads, You don't know where to get the latest rom, the latest kernel, or where to report a bug!
EDIT: the splitting should be Defy Greens Lens in one side and Defy Red Lens/Defy+ on the other