New defy - Defy General

Hello all.
My free defy turns up tomorrow.
Hope cm7 is at the same level as it is with the SGS.
I'm sure you will all be seeing me lurking around the forums.
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@iammodo I don't know at which level in CM7 for SGS, but for Defy it's pretty close to perfection (except few minor bugs). You can start by reading the development or the faq thread.

yeah..CM7 final is on the way, just wait for few bugs fixed.

From what i hear, cm7 on defy is better than on many other devices, including some officially supported ones.

Might give stock a chance.
samsung really smegged up on stock rom.
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If you want to give stock a chance, you should at least try the stock 2.3.4 (leaked of course)

boonhoong said:
If you want to give stock a chance, you should at least try the stock 2.3.4 (leaked of course)
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Yes, 2.3.4 leaked is awesome!
Despite the ultra-bright softkeys ( and data disabled icon which is fixed in the status bar ), it's worth giving a try .
I've done some mess and i had to downgrade to froyo, and so i couldn't avoid installing CM7 RC1 which is really great.
And, of course, I suggest anyone installing CM7 ( on Defy )!

Luckly I have my SGS and Xoom to use while getting my defy how I like it.
Seems lots of fun flashing.
Hopes its a simple as Xoom or SGS.
Find htc's rather annoying with their ruu.exe update applications.
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Yay got the phone before work. No orange logo on the back.
Orange branded software 2.2.2 not to much bloat ware.
Rather happy
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Something to check also is the camera module in your defy: BAYER (red one, the newer) or SOC (green one, older). I just received my defy 2 days ago, but unfortunately got the old SOC green camera. :-( From what I gathered here, it means that leaked 2.3 roms are a no-no (camera will not function), and 720p mods will not work either. Not sure the SOC camera is intrinsically worse than the BAYER one, but it is not as well supported (not part of the new leaked rom, probably because defy "replacement" always use a BAYER).

Mines red.
But haven't checked the logcat to double check yet.
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[Q] is the defy capable of android 2.3?

Hi All,
Sorry i have a slightly noobish question.
is the moto defy hardware capable of running android 2.3 gingerbread ?
regards
Ani
I have an old HTC Hero that has lower hardware than Defy and it handles GB just fine. Custom made GB that is, as the last update HTC did for Hero was Eclair(2.1). The problem with Defy is the bootloader if Motorola won't upgrade Defy to GB.
Ofcourse it's capable of running 2.3 but it's going to take about a year from now lol because there are still 4-5 months before 2.2 comes out...and btw Optimus one is getting 2.3 (slower then defy) so ofcourse defy can get 2.3
Gingerbread 2.3
Defy is fully capable of running GB. You can easily overclock it upto 1.2 ghz. Has plenty of RAM and space like other high end smartpohones.
And so far the leaked version of Froyo 3.4.2 is fairly snappy, fast and pleasure to use. The biggest problem is that motorola won't make any GB ROM for Defy, so we have to wait for some moded ROMs.
Defy has the potential to 2.3, yes ... but this will probably take us a time.
EDIT: Yes, Motorola is "very close" in this area
Sorry for my english...
The HTC Dream is capable of running Gingerbread and it's not crawling, nuff said.
Any maker who tells you that its phones aren't capable is probably not because of the hardware.
Is there any chance that we could get official 2.3 gingerbread ? I would not like to use any custom ROM's coz' Im bit newbie with android....
^ no Motorola releases new phone and Defy will not get official 2.3
If LG P500 can handle GB, Why not DEFY and Spec wise Defy is far better than P500
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We may not get it officially but the leaked Gingerbread firmwares for The Defy+ work perfectly on the original defy(red lens). I'm currently on it as the matter of fact.
ryan8r said:
We may not get it officially but the leaked Gingerbread firmwares for The Defy+ work perfectly on the original defy(red lens). I'm currently on it as the matter of fact.
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Thank you for that! I may try it
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I use to have an old HTC TyTn II (aka HTC Kaiser) which has 400mhz and 256 mb RAM (i think) running windows mobile 6.1 officially... it was possible to install CM7 (Android 2.3) ROM on it and it ran quite OK!!! Not much of a lag, i used it as my day to day ROM for some months after finally getting a new phone.
So i guess you can say that the Defy DEFINITELY has the hardware for 2.3 maybe even honeycomb and ice cream sandwich (if a port was ever possible)
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We may not get it officially but the leaked Gingerbread firmwares for The Defy+ work perfectly on the original defy(red lens). I'm currently on it as the matter of fact.
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ehhem... red lens ?
I just got my first android phone.....
Motodefyuser said:
ehhem... red lens ?
I just got my first android phone.....
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Yep To know more check out.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116694
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if you happen to have the green lense, it works great as well. i am on green lense with the leaked 134 gb supposedly for mb526. easiest way to know is to flash the leaked gb, and if camera doesnt work then you are on green lense. if you are, use the greenbread patch to enable camera (you will lose the live wallpaper function). the best gb so far for me is the leaked 134, very stable with magnificent battery life.
Motorola DEFY has a 1GHz TI 3630 chipset on it. but it will be functional if u install a 2.3 version. i have tried it, it works. because TI(Texas Instruments) doesn't produce a 800MHz 3610 chipset. that chipset doesn't even exist. the DEFY with the stock rom uses a downgraded 1GHz 3630 chipset. DEFY is very powerful... I don't even think of buying a DEFY+
The only problem to defy was the Gingerbread rom itself. But now we have some good gb roms that works very nicelly!

[Q] Planning to buy this phone

Hey guys i'm planning to buy motorola defy in next month. As i've to stick to this phone for 3 years i want to ask you some questions or clear my doubt. 1. Will this phone get android 2.2? 2. If I flashed with custom rom of 2.2 will adobe flash 10.1 work on it? 3. Is flashing this phone difficult or easy? 4. What about its sound quality? Is it better than galaxy 3 or nokia 5800xm? 5. Will HD games work on this device?
1,2,5: yes
3: easy
4: don't know, didn't have those phones to test the Defy against
There are a few 2.2 leaked ROMs, I'm using one myself and flash is running smoothly. The official update will be released in the second half of this month
Sound quality is good. The Defy is in every respect technically a high-end phone, comparable to Galaxy s i9000, HTC Desire HD.
Galaxy 3 is rather medium-class.
The only negative points IMO are that the screen is very reflective in sunlight and the camera could be better.
And battery performance is VERY unpredictable!!
You mean battery life not good?
Battery life is good comparing to other android phones. It is 2~3 days for normal use.
yes, the screen is a bit reflective, but if you set it bright enough, it's very nice! and battery performance is quite good, i get about 2 days with some gaming and 3G/wifi constantly on! the only thing i'm missing from this phone is full multitouch, as it has only two point mt, which can be disturbing in some games (like tap tap revenge). otherwise it's a very good phone, with great overclock/undervolt potential!
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questions regarding DEFY
I heard that defy bootloader is locked hence custom rom is not possible for defy then how come custom roms are available in dev thread?
They're not true custom ROMs, they're just standard ones with some of the stock apps removed and others pre-loaded.
The bootloader is locked and that's why, for example, CyanogenMod isn't available for the Defy or Gingerbread.
Thank's Guys!
I'll buy a defy tomorrow, and this answers helped me to make my choice (principally
the battery time).
you wont go far wrong with this phone. performance/price wise, i think this is one of the best in the market right now
lanfearxt said:
you wont go far wrong with this phone. performance/price wise, i think this is one of the best in the market right now
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i agree. great device. the phone is basically a screen and feels light like a dummy phone!
Its one of the smallest android phones with a decent screen.
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My defy has arrived
I'm very excited with the cel. Very satisfying.
time to root and install some custom ROMS!!
Step666 said:
They're not true custom ROMs, they're just standard ones with some of the stock apps removed and others pre-loaded.
The bootloader is locked and that's why, for example, CyanogenMod isn't available for the Defy or Gingerbread.
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there is someone with cynogenmod 7 for defy in dev thread, how could it be possible then...really confused about defys potential & ability for custom roms..
One question: what is the last oficial android version? Here in brazil, the last available is 2.1...
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2.2 is already out, ans cm7 using 2.3 will probably get a final stable release version soon
I'm curently running CM7(beta 3) and it's doing pretty well.
Though there are still some things to be fixed, it is definitely an increase of performance and battery life, and will be worth of updating once it is fully stable.
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I heard that defy bootloader is locked hence custom rom is not possible for defy then how come custom roms are available in dev thread?
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Most of'em are, as abovesaid, pretty much customized standart ROMs.
However, 2nd Init "hack" was recently intoruced, which kinda bypasses locked bootloader. Hence CM7 goodness.
At least you don't have to worry a single bit using DEFy in the rain

[Q] Is the Defy+ worth it?

I just got an MB525 with Android 2.2.2 and the SOC camera module (doh?).
I'm fairly happy aside from it freezing up once in a while and that I'm not crazy about MOTOBLUR. However, I can turn in this one for free and wait for the new one to arrive (beginning of September?), which should cost about the same. What's your take on the Defy+ (or is that Plus)? When can we expect the phone to go on sale in Northern-Europe? What would you advise me to do? Which phone offers the most?
And a couple of random n00bish questions:
1. My GF managed to push those two "buttons/knobs" behind the battery cover. A sticker on the cover said one shouldn't, does it matter? What does it do?
2. Is there a simple way to remove some of the pre-installed apps, such as Amazon MP3, YouTube, 3G Mobile Hotspot, etc? If not, is there a way to rearrange the "home menu" (containing all the app icons) to put the less relevant apps further down?
Thanks a bunch good folks!
Crezt said:
I just got an MB525 with Android 2.2.2 and the SOC camera module (doh?).
I'm fairly happy aside from it freezing up once in a while and that I'm not crazy about MOTOBLUR. However, I can turn in this one for free and wait for the new one to arrive (beginning of September?), which should cost about the same. What's your take on the Defy+ (or is that Plus)? When can we expect the phone to go on sale in Northern-Europe? What would you advise me to do? Which phone offers the most?
And a couple of random n00bish questions:
1. My GF managed to push those two "buttons/knobs" behind the battery cover. A sticker on the cover said one shouldn't, does it matter? What does it do?
2. Is there a simple way to remove some of the pre-installed apps, such as Amazon MP3, YouTube, 3G Mobile Hotspot, etc? If not, is there a way to rearrange the "home menu" (containing all the app icons) to put the less relevant apps further down?
Thanks a bunch good folks!
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defy+ is basically an overclocked, red lensed defy with a slightly better battery.
differences:
- defy+ is running on 1GHz by default, but you can easily overclock the defy
- defy+ has 1700mAh battery, but you can buy that for defy too
- defy+ has bayer module/red lens, which enables 720p recording
decide whether you need these things or not. my advice is to install cm7 on it, and dont even think about using the stock rom. (cm7 is lightyears ahead of any stock rom, and it runs the same on defy and defy+)
1. which buttons are you talking about?
2. you have to root your phone to remove preinstalled apps i think.
and i really recommend you to use "launcherpro", which is (one of) the best launchers out there. way faster than stock, gives you the option to hide apps from the appdrawer, and many other things. try it!
My girl just got an insurance replacement it came with a red lens?
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if it cost the same, then get the Defy+
But where i live, Defy+, apart from it being not released yet, is much more expensive (or rather Original Defy is offered at a low discount), so i opted to go for the Defy, with some tweaks, it will be the same as Defy+ performance wise...
These two knobs (under the lens/flash, with an arrow between them):
w w w . l a p t o pm a g . co m / r e v ie w / n e w g a l l e r y .aspx?id=42981#top (link broken apart on purpose)
A better battery and 720p video sounds nice!
By the way, how is it recommended to charge the battery the first times?
The Defy+ doesnt record 720p by default i dont think.
I'm very happy about my defy, but if i were to buy a new device now, it doesn't be a defy+. There are a lot of other devices with a better cost/benefit.
r u guys sure that defy+ 1700mAh battery will fit into the defy?
it is the same model number so it has to really or it would cause many problems for everyone from the retailers to the users.
thiagobolivar said:
I'm very happy about my defy, but if i were to buy a new device now, it doesn't be a defy+. There are a lot of other devices with a better cost/benefit.
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if i were about to buy a new device right now, it would be the defy (not the defy+), cuz its still one of the best phones on the market right now! (and it definitely has the best value/price)
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kbxdauser2011 said:
r u guys sure that defy+ 1700mAh battery will fit into the defy?
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bump....does any1 have any idea here?
kbxdauser2011 said:
bump....does any1 have any idea here?
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The same question had crossed my mind! Just got the defy and was thinking to retrofit the defy+ battery when available in my region.
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i dont think we can say for sure until it actually comes out... expected in september i think??
i saw a video of a defy+ using the same bf5x battery as ours. the difference is, that battery is li-ion polymer, thats why it has a bigger capacity. so theoretically the defy will have no problem running on those batteries.
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bump....does any1 have any idea here?
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I'm sure its ok for the Defy too.
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The problems of freezing up/lagging are resolved and then some by CM7. I wonder perhaps if defy isn't a better choice because we don't yet know how CM7 will go on the defy+ - or if it even can.
it will be so good if the battery fits i ll buy one !!
If it opens up for a reasonable price Defy+ is not a bad update for old Defy users simply looking for a replacement , Nevertheless is still a ripoff !!
Just knew it'd be 234euro on UK market. Just 1 question...Can Defy's CyanogenMOD be installed on Defy+?
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Can Defy's CyanogenMOD be installed on Defy+?
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Defy+ will be shipped with 2.3 (godknowswhat build) preinstalled so until they find a way to root and downgrade to Nordic froyo, I guess we'll have to wait.
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Thinking to get defy+

hi guys, i currently own an ideos x5 and would like to buy a new defy+ but i have a major question.
Is there an overclocked kernel to flash without losing the stock rom or flashing a custom rom?
and what is the latest kernel for defy+, is it based on .35 or .32?
Invicta said:
hi guys, i currently own an ideos x5 and would like to buy a new defy+ but i have a major question.
Is there an overclocked kernel to flash without losing the stock rom or flashing a custom rom?
and what is the latest kernel for defy+, is it based on .35 or .32?
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I shouldnt buy it... These are my reasons:
Motorola updates (I think we will not see official ICS in DEFY+)
Locked Bootloader = No "perfect" or "easy" ICS CyanogenMod 9
Motorola lied about it ( Its a defy with "stock" clock processor values.. )
It only can use signed kernels (by motorola --> bootloader locked)
About your questions... No.. overclocked kernel doesnt exists... Only motorola's kernel overclocked from bootmenu or setvsel. Kernel is .32 i think...
In my opinion... You should look for a samsung or Htc phone...
dissapointing...
There is a petition for unlocking the moto bootloaders.
Sign it and spread the word.
Still, if nothing happens, maybe get a sony xperia active. It has ip67 and hd recording and i think its a good alternative if you look for a strong smartphone
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Luckily the CyanogenMod developers are very strong so we will get ICS unofficially. But if you don't need the IP67 certified case I would buy a Nexus phone (the Nexus S isn't that expensive any more) or a Sony (Ericsson). The XPeria Neo or Ray are at the same price level than the Defy but will get ICS in the next months. And because Sony (Ericsson) supports CyanogenMod all devices got CyanogenMod 7.
I would get something with 4" screen and unlocked bootloader. Other then that its just not worthed....
LG 2x come to my mind right now... or something similar.. for a long term...
So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts
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So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts
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Can be rooted but no custom kernel n other goodness..
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Man if u like defy take it...
Bootloader locked but there are groups like Cyanogen, Miui and peoples like Wajk, quarx, epsylon3... They are doing great work.
Simple argument i allready have ics and i love my defy now
"love your girl, take a defy" or maybe opposite
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TudorBlue said:
So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts
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Mind you, it is still an excellent phone. Can be overclocked to 1.3GHz even without an unlocked bootloader and custom kernels. Also it is a very safe phone to play around with, physically cos of its relative ruggedness, and software wise because the locked bootloader means chances of bricking by doing something related to custom ROMs are nil.
I just have bought a Defy... should I have waited for the Defy+? Or Defy+ is not as good as de Vanilla one?
I would not buy another motorola defy by the locked bootloader, my next phone will have unlocked bootloader
Motorola sucks
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I would not buy another motorola defy by the locked bootloader, my next phone will have unlocked bootloader
Motorola sucks
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Me too... No bootloader = No more sales!
DEFY+ is old...... Why not try dual core .....like I9100?
Defy+ Update
Defy+ is great phone with improved motoblur
& here is one more reason to look forward to - ICS update for Defy+
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1378691
I would have bought it if I am at your place ..... its got official cm7 miui etc and have great dev support thumbs up .....
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Defy+ is great!
I'm also really satisfied with my Defy+. Rooted, MS2Ginger 2.1 with all patches (except the ones which have something to do with Blur), V6 Supercharger, now it is quite fast, good for playing around (testing different ROMs, nearly unbrickable) and really sturdy (even more with Otter Box Commuter Case). The size is also perfect.
May not be state-of-the-art hardware but has the potential to be a good phone even alongside the next generations of smartphones.

[DISCUSSION] Splitting defy and defy+ development

Alright! So I've been thinking about this for a while.
The defy is progressing fast in development despite having a locked bootloader (thanks to our amazing devs ), but as most of you already know, we have to do with three different devices. We have the green lens defy (soc), the red lens defy (bayer) and the defy+ (bayer too). Red lens users are the lucky guys since they can use both froyo and gingerbread kernels, but green lens users only have working camera on the froyo kernel (except for greenbreadmod). Defy+ users with bl7 cannot downgrade to froyo kernel either.
We could all downgrade to froyo kernel if it hadn't been for bl7 with the bl6 froyo sbf, but the gingerbread kernel is better on many areas for red lens users with deepsleep, stock gingerbread, some say better performance and battery life, etc.
My suggestion is to split development into defy development (froyo kernel) and defy+ development (gingerbread kernel) (I'm talking about completely seperate sub-forums, e.g. Defy General, Defy+ android development, Defy android development, etc). That's what they've done in many other forums, e.g. Galaxy S II with the I9100G and the original I9100, although we're here talking about completely different hardware (different processors).
Most of us are already used to this, and really don't really mind having two different development branches in the same sub-forum, but it would be a lot easier to e.g. tracking bugs and new releases for CM9, as different kernel builds have different bugs, and people are often not that good at telling what build they're on when they come with their problems. Defy+ users would no longer get bricked (at least it would be more rare), as there would be a separate defy+ area, and green lense users would not get stuck on bl7 that often if we could warn them properly. People would no longer ask about kernels, as it is obvious that its a gingerbread/froyo kernel ROM according to the development sub-forum.
Not everyone may be very happy about this and it would require a lot of work moving and splitting threads. Some of the development is independent of kernels, and there would perhaps be no good place to put them. It may even cause more confusion for all i know.
Feel free to share your thoughts, but also remember to vote the POLL
Cheers.
PS! I'm ready for rotten tomatoes...
if we had unlocked BL there would be far less need for separate development as we could all run the same kernel. we should instead concentrate our efforts on having the supposedly non-evil Z GOOGLE who is now the company who makes moto branded phones quit being so EVIL and unlock us already
That's what i am saying. Seperated threads. One for green lens froyo and one for ginger red lense.
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That's what i am saying. Seperated threads. One for green lens froyo and one for ginger red lense.
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Vote the poll if you haven't already!
+1 on that. I will vote ASAP (On android xda app. Can't vote)
Motorola Defy, CM7 @ 1Ghz + CM9 multiboot
[Guide] Install double boot CM7 + CM9
[Guide][Root needed] Unsimlock your Defy
[Mod/Fix][APP]Messaging apps with ENTER button enabled!
Agree..
I'll vote soon..
Doesn't matter from where I send it, what matters is written above
Different thread is okay for me...not different development section
I agree but...
I agree there needs to be more division but what for roms like ms2ginger where it is orientated to the red lensed camera but allows for green lensed defy with greenbreadmod. Then you are asking a developer to maintain two seperate threads in different sections of the forum.
Exactly! Good point! Keep coming with arguments from either side and I'll make a list in the OP
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This will avoid confusion. +1 for your thought.
I agree coz im planning buy defy or defy + but im confused on which to choose.
All i know is that defy+ got 1ghz than defy. . Could someone post an advantage and disadvantage list of these phones?
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Personally I'd say KEEP AWAY from Moto's locked bootloaders! Don't buy any Motorola product until they unlock ALL their devices!
My defy+ is my last Motorola purchase EVER.
but if you still can't help yourself from buying one, I'd recommend a RED LENS defy or a defy+ (first choice would be the red lens because it doesn't require battery fix on any custom ROM and it's shipped with a lower bootloader version which lets you flash more kernels). Green lens users are stuck with froyo (as stated in the OP).
Now let's go on topic again
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okay, so lets get this clear:
mb525 defy green lens (soc): 800mhz cpu, 1540mah battery, green lens - only works on froyo kernel
mb525 defy red lens (bayer): 800mhz cpu, 1540mah battery, red lens - works on both kernels (froyo and gb)
mb526 defy+ (bayer): 1ghz cpu, 1700mah battery, red lens - works only on gb kernel (bl7)
to avoid confusion, these all have the SAME cpu (ti omap 3630), just with different frequencies, but you can easily overclock them (ive been using my defy on 1ghz for a year now). that means that the only difference in hardware is the battery, and there are tons of aftermarket batteries (im using a 2300mah one).
i love my phone, but i too say to keep away from motorola, as we defy users have all been betrayed by them, left alone. not just that we dont get upgrades, but we cant even flash cooked roms because of the locked bootloader, which will probably never be unlocked. were stuck on gb kernel (froyo for soc), and will never be able to run ics properly, as without a custom kernel, the hwa can never be fully implemented.
as for the topic: i dont think we need separate subforums, just separate threads, each clearly stating for which version it is intended. this will avoid confusion, but still will be accessible in the same place (which is good for bayer defy users - like me - who can basically use whichever rom they want). i will vote as soon as i get to my pc
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Oh please do it, I'm getting crazy to understand which post to follo w for rooting or install roms. It's so confusing to have them merged together
Different Threadsss
+1
I think one froyo kernel aka green lense users and other for red lense/Defy+ GB kernel so really there should be one more thread made since Epsylon3 has one for froyo....
Edit - Don't read you post fully
Yh this is the best idea but it will be hard and a lot of work for Step666 our forum moderator to move and split everything up also the devs don't have time to be posting in two sections i think​
I totally agree. The development forums are a mess now!
Besides the efforts done by some users trying to make default threads, You don't know where to get the latest rom, the latest kernel, or where to report a bug!
EDIT: the splitting should be Defy Greens Lens in one side and Defy Red Lens/Defy+ on the other

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