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Wait for official Froyo? Or use Custom Rom?

Hello everybody!
My question is simple.
Should i wait for the official Froyo for my HTC Desire, or should I usw a custom Rom from this Board?
I am very disappointed with the battery-time of my normal stock 2.1 rom...
My Desire just lasts for about one day with normal usage.
Is the battery-life going to be better with the official froyo (an with roms out of the section of rom-cooking in this board) ?
Would you recommend me to wait for the official Rom, or not?
Are there some reasons against an unofficial froyo-rom?
Wich rom you would recommend at the moment?
(dont need htc-sense...)
Thanks for you help, and sorry for bad english

If you haven't done so already, I'd recommend checking out "Juice Defender" in the Marketplace. You can fine tune your APN/WIFI settings and such to get much more out of your battery. Best of all it's free. If that doesn't satisfy your battery hungry needs then I suggest you stop listening to my advice as I know squat about custom Roms. What I do know though is that battery life is reported to be greatly improved in Froyo.

Even if you wait for official froyo, the devs here will make it better and add more features make it faster etc and you'll be back here in no time you can always unroot your phone of you change your mind.

the proper answer world be depends on how you use your phone, I too would suggest using "Juice Defender" if your battery needs are not met, however note that even if you w8 for the official froyo rom you will probably not notice a major power saving effect over the existing rom. In fact I doubt that you will notice any improvement in battery life whatsoever considering you seem to be a proper power user.
Some custom roms run less services/process so you will be able to save up some battery life, its the only proper way too cut down on power consumption I would imagine the closer to the vanilla system the better.

With HTC straight out lying about the release date for the update (as usual), yesterday I took the plunge and have moved over to DeFroST after rooting.
Based on my initial impressions, battery life has improved. Rooting opens up the possibility of using the brilliant application that is setCPU to very finely tune many battery consuming aspects of the device and should make 48hrs achievable without switching off push and sync. There's a thread in the dev section about this.
I would do it. DeFroST is a brilliant ROM, but there are plenty of gems in the Dev section

bedeabc said:
With HTC straight out lying about the release date for the update (as usual), yesterday I took the plunge and have moved over to DeFroST after rooting.
Based on my initial impressions, battery life has improved. Rooting opens up the possibility of using the brilliant application that is setCPU to very finely tune many battery consuming aspects of the device and should make 48hrs achievable without switching off push and sync. There's a thread in the dev section about this.
I would do it. DeFroST is a brilliant ROM, but there are plenty of gems in the Dev section
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I'm guessing you needed an unlock code to upgrade your radio since your on orange?

i flashed yesterday and , oh boy, what can i say - its great.
you root your phone with unrevoked, then flash a custom rom, then the new radio ( for froyo ). easy, peasy, painless. froyo kicks ass, i chose leedroid and its so speedy, an battery life has improved, altough not too much i think

@ bedeabc
When did HTC lie about the release date:???: the only official announcement I heard was 3rd quarter... there is still weeks/months to go yet. Any reply you see posted via some ones uncle who told my mother that apparently honest to god customer service said two weeks...is not 'official' lol.
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So, you guys think, that its not be worth, to wait for the official froyo?
There will not be some "new" things, i will miss in the froyo, I can get in den Dev-Area?
Cause i dont like it, to change the rom every 2 month ;-)
ATM I have a rooted desire with ocuv kernel.
Untouched radio.
Is the upgread "heavy"? (dangerour, time-expensive?)
Thanks for all of your Help

I just upgraded to Froyo, Android 2.2, yesterday.
Well i think i love it. Extra functions and the speed is incredible.

When rooting & new rom - do you lose HTC Sense?
Dave
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the defrost custom rom is awesome, it'ld go for it tbh

breytex said:
So, you guys think, that its not be worth, to wait for the official froyo?
There will not be some "new" things, i will miss in the froyo, I can get in den Dev-Area?
Cause i dont like it, to change the rom every 2 month ;-)
ATM I have a rooted desire with ocuv kernel.
Untouched radio.
Is the upgread "heavy"? (dangerour, time-expensive?)
Thanks for all of your Help
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Well me personal I'm waiting, if I had a branded phone I probably wouldn't wait as it'll be X amount of weeks after HTC release until you carrier release its version with bloatware.
I am obviously one of those easily satisfied people, I think its a great phone as is with just a few tweaks here and there (voice search, keyboard etc..) which didn't even require root
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deejaydave said:
When rooting & new rom - do you lose HTC Sense?
Dave
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depends on the new rom. If it has Sense you don't lose it Rooting doesn't concern Sense or anything else on interface

what's important for everyone who's considering to move on new froyo sense roms (2.06) - they're stable and fast, I'm using them for a week and haven't noticed one error or reboot.
You can try them out and then decide for yourself whether to return to eclair, or use them until htc releases official version. I'm certain you will choose second option
AdamLC said:
I'm guessing you needed an unlock code to upgrade your radio since your on orange?
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you should check the radio thread in development subforum, last version of radio doesn't lock Orange phones...

[Q] Differences between 2.1 and 2.2

To all 2.2 android rom users: I'd like to know which are the main differences between these two releases (considering an upgrade).
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http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
Note that certain individual features may not be supported at maker's discretion.

Thanks for the link, already saw it, but I'd like to ear direct feedback from users .
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I don't know but differences between official update with motoblur is that:
Windows vista 64 bit is android 2.1
Windows 7 64 bit is android 2.2
Hope you understand this !

Real differences I have found is speed, market downloads you can update all, flash full version for browsing, thats about it really.

shad0wboss said:
I don't know but differences between official update with motoblur is that:
Windows vista 64 bit is android 2.1
Windows 7 64 bit is android 2.2
Hope you understand this !
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Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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I had to upgrade by accident.
It's been 48 hours...
Definitely a better experience than Eclair.
You get Profiles (Like HTC Scenes) now, Flash, A2SD, Snappier performance, and probably a whole lot of other things I haven't had time to notice yet...
psixda said:
Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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adding to what was previously said:
New Gmail app
Push to phone API (chrome to phone, install from web market, etc)
Different memory/task managment
... + some little improvment overall the system.

better, yes, but worths the trouble to get it on your defy? only you can answer that.

psixda said:
Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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Totally mate, it is hell fast and 2.3 is even faster plus you get other things with 2.2 such as full flash support, better performace and speed of course. You can feel it wen playing games and when the benchmark scores double the benchmakrs when running 2.1

999phonebug said:
better, yes, but worths the trouble to get it on your defy? only you can answer that.
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That's the point. Probably I'll wait for Motorola official update, since I use this phone for work and I don't want to mess it up. Anyway glad to know newer versions are faster .
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Just to add my thoughts...
The biggest difference I have seen between 2.1 and 2.2 is a reduction in battery life.
On 2.1, both the original 2.21 that my handset came with and the 2.34 Blur-lite ROM I flashed, I could easily get 2 days of what I consider 'normal' usage between charges, 3 days if I really didn't use it much.
With 2.2, I've only seen a day or so of 'normal' use before needing to charge and that's having used Higgsy's modified build on top of the Chinese Froyo sbf and the new Orange Blur-lite ROM too.
Beyond that, the only noticeable difference IMO is the addition of flash in the browser.

So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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psixda said:
That's the point. Probably I'll wait for Motorola official update, since I use this phone for work and I don't want to mess it up. Anyway glad to know newer versions are faster .
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I didn't notice that the battery is running out faster on 2.2, I think it can last 2-day based on the remaining capacity at night (I charge every night) on normal usage.
But if you're using this for work I seriously discourage you to mess it up. Although if you flash those .sbf I suppose it's pretty simple but still... You understand.
There are some apps that doesn't support pre-2.2, BTW.

psixda said:
So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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What exactly are you looking for then?

kiladubz said:
What exactly are you looking for then?
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Guys, stop flashing custom roms and confusing other people, custom rom does have 2.2 but it's custom and it prolly overclocks the cpu at high voltage which can be a reason for you to have battery drainage.
We yet can't say anything about 2.2 update because we haven't recieved it officially just yet. What i said in my previous posts is by looking at other phones such as Samsung Galaxy S (quite similar to defy cpu wise) and then when i looked at benchmakrs (performace) of it running on 2.1 and 2.2, there was a great difference and in 2.2 it performed quite well.
So don't consider custom roms as real updates, they are totally modified with tons of changes.
Right now, we don't even know if the stock speed of official update for defy is 1GHZ or 800MHZ...and if it's 1GHZ then i believe the battery will run out faster but we just can't say anything unless we get the official update OR a user who already had the official motorola update on defy (o2 germany users) can actually tell us the difference between 2.1 and 2.2

psixda said:
So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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With regards to performance, my Defy performed well enough under 2.1 that I haven't noticed any difference.
That's not to say that Froyo hasn't necessarily improved matters, just that I haven't seen any practical difference so far - benchmarks are all well and good but they don't make any difference to how a phone works on a day-to-day basis.
shad0wboss said:
Guys, stop flashing custom roms and confusing other people, custom rom does have 2.2 but it's custom and it prolly overclocks the cpu at high voltage which can be a reason for you to have battery drainage.
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You're guessing and you're wrong.
Firstly, when I did flash a custom ROM, true enough it came with the means to allow you to overclock the CPU but it wasn't automatically activated, you still had to do that yourself.
Secondly, as I said before, I've tried more than one Froyo ROM and the on I'm using now is not a custom ROM but the battery life is still just as poor.

Step666 said:
With regards to performance, my Defy performed well enough under 2.1 that I haven't noticed any difference.
That's not to say that Froyo hasn't necessarily improved matters, just that I haven't seen any practical difference so far - benchmarks are all well and good but they don't make any difference to how a phone works on a day-to-day basis.
You're guessing and you're wrong.
Firstly, when I did flash a custom ROM, true enough it came with the means to allow you to overclock the CPU but it wasn't automatically activated, you still had to do that yourself.
Secondly, as I said before, I've tried more than one Froyo ROM and the on I'm using now is not a custom ROM but the battery life is still just as poor.
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Maybe your cpu is running on different voltage? because OS has got nothing to do with battery life tbh lol
you can have millions of programs running in the background because of your custom rom?

Maybe I spoke too soon...
I don't know what's changed but I'm ~32 houes since charging my handset and have (according to DefyBatt) 55% of my battery left.
The battery's not new, so I don't get why it would need to bed in on the new ROM, yet that seems to be the key

For me, the biggest difference is the new apps that require 2.2 - primarily Chrome To Phone, which I love.
Other than that, 2.2 is faster than stock 2.1, but if you had JIT enabled on 2.1, then the difference isn't huge.
I haven't noticed any difference in battery life.
Basically, it's a minor performance boost, and the ability to use some programs which I couldn't with 2.1.

[Q] best ROM for defy ?

i need a good rom for long term use suggest me for my DEFY...
i need a rom without bugs or min. bugs....will b also good...
plss help...2.2 is sucking (stock)
Thanx in advanced

asn39 said:
i need a good rom for long term use suggest me for my DEFY...
i need a rom without bugs or min. bugs....will b also good...
plss help...2.2 is sucking (stock)
Thanx in advanced
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CM7 IMO, is the best.

LiquidArc Gingerbread is the best, no FC, no strange reboots, stable work.

bvbfan said:
LiquidArc Gingerbread is the best, no FC, no strange reboots, stable work.
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how abt battery life in j boogie ??
And whats cm7 IMO ?? i know nly cm 7
Thanxxx both users i will see to that

awesome custom rom
bvbfan said:
LiquidArc Gingerbread is the best, no FC, no strange reboots, stable work.
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I dont know how to install but
The rom is extremely good looking hope in performance too it is that way....
Thanx alot man...let me know how long does ur battery last ??
Thanx to both...of u

For me, it is ms2ginger but I see there's now defy+ rom with same features. Maybe I should give it a try...
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For me it's MIUI or even better WajkIUI.

cm7 works without bugs for me
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dbezzegh said:
For me it's MIUI or even better WajkIUI.
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+1 for wajkiui, I just love it!

CM7 - is better, but battery no so long

Cyanogen mod is the best with no doubt
And for the battery you can install a battery saving app
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Looking for recommendations - Roms& other tweaks
Hi, I hope the OP doesn't mind that I borrow this thread a bit, as this is the exact question I wanted to ask.
tl:dr version:
I am really interested in _opinions_ and _details_ wrt different ROMs (mods or stock) - "xxx is best" isn't a very useful answer to a total noob like me.
So, yesterday I bought this lovely piece of hardware. It came unlocked (of course) and with this ROM (there's a thread about it here):
-System version: Moto_Version.34.177.5.Retail.en.ND
-Firmware: 2.2.2
-Baseband: EPU93_U00.59.1
-Kernel: [email protected] #1
-Build: Jorem_U3_2.4.2_177-5
So far I am rather pleasantly surprised with the lack of bloat. But it did seem rather sluggish when I had installed several apps and played around for a few hours - and the list of running process was horrible.
And I have a feeling I will want Gingerbread in short order (my familiarity with Android is confined to a POS chinese Froyo mini-tablet (had to flash the ROM to even get it to work, then I managed to lose the microSD within it... Haven't taken it apart yet) and looking at my husband's new Samsung G2S - he made me solemnly swear not to root, flash or do anything interesting to it before he even let me touch it).
Or will I?
What I want is
- As much control of the hardware as I can get
(re-assigning buttons (like that to me nearly useless search button), easy ways to turn stuff off and on, customisable quick access to all kinds of interestisting stuff that I hardly even know about yet)
- Minimum of "pretty" UI
- Max battery
- Tweaking off things like wifi and other radio reception, maybe touch-screen too (can one even calibrate capacitative screens? I'm old, and tend to keep my stuff for a long time, so all my previous gadgets have been resistive Palms of various flavours).
And simultaneously I also want:
- As little hassle as I can get away with (ie stable core system which won't need frequent updates).
- Best possible customisation of calendar (and integration with google calendar, of course)
I can't believe it took me so long to finally enter the android world! I can't understand why it took me two years to finally do it. The PalmOS I was in mourning for ("I want my apps from 1995! Why did they break it! I also want wifi! Stupid Palm!") really wasn't worth it.
Nota Bene: I am not a coder or a dev on any platform. I'm a middle aged woman who also happens to be rather fearless when it comes phones. I'm not averse to tweaking a line here and there myself (with instructions or understanding), but generally I get bored pretty quickly with tinkering, and then just want things to work the way I want them to work.
Useless questions in the wrong place (just so I don't give the impression I'm too well behaved - loved the registration video ):
- Where is that "thank you"?! (I've used such on other forums, but I must be blind here. ETA: yes I was.)
- What's the best place (here or elsewhere) to read and ask about a) general android architecture/philosophy/etc (ie what's part of the OS, what can be removed)?
- What's the best place to ask the question "which app would be best for this?"?
- What android-centric forum or subforum would best put up with my wordyness?

I can tell in LiquidArc display eats battery, 3h display is on, battery is down. For other roms i don't know, if someone wants to tell...
Look here -> http://modmymobile.com/forums/640-m...liquidarc-gingerbread-v2-0-09-08-11-a-13.html for installguide

Guys, WajkIui or Cmiui? I tried Cmiui and it is quite nice, but can anyone compare those two plz for me?
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CM7 RC1.5 or MIUI 2.3.5b
for me,CM7 RC1.5 with CEE 179.02 take a long time battery

asn39 said:
how abt battery life in j boogie ??
And whats cm7 IMO ?? i know nly cm 7
Thanxxx both users i will see to that
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That guy means CM7. That IMO means "in my opinion".

Proda said:
Guys, WajkIui or Cmiui? I tried Cmiui and it is quite nice, but can anyone compare those two plz for me?
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Never tried Cmiui but Im surE WIUI is better. It updates every week with a lot of tweaks
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actally I see the MIUI ROM too much unstable with Defy. Cyanogen7 is surely better! I love MIUI UI so I hope it goes better asap!
Bye

I've been using CM7 since a couple of months and have been very happy with the stability. (Presently on cm7 rc 1.5) the stock froyo on the other hand was annoyingly unstable and needed frequent reboots to keep it sane.
The battery life is the only grouse - it lasts around 1.5 days with normal usage. On froyo I could easily get upto 2 days.
Cm7s tweaks and customizations make the trade off in battery life worth it, for me.
To each their own I suppose.
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The amount of tweaking and customisation on CM7 is way ahead of any rom I've ever tried and yes I've tried them all literally. You can shuffle every component of the UI and you've got a new phone everyday, hardware performance is as stable as they come, nice amount of useful apps no added garbage.
If you prefer the curved MIUI look there is a theme for that aswell.
CM7 stands in a league of its own IMO. Battery isn't anything above average(lasts me a day of heavy usage on HSPA network) but it isn't a compromise either.
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Thinking to get defy+

hi guys, i currently own an ideos x5 and would like to buy a new defy+ but i have a major question.
Is there an overclocked kernel to flash without losing the stock rom or flashing a custom rom?
and what is the latest kernel for defy+, is it based on .35 or .32?

Invicta said:
hi guys, i currently own an ideos x5 and would like to buy a new defy+ but i have a major question.
Is there an overclocked kernel to flash without losing the stock rom or flashing a custom rom?
and what is the latest kernel for defy+, is it based on .35 or .32?
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I shouldnt buy it... These are my reasons:
Motorola updates (I think we will not see official ICS in DEFY+)
Locked Bootloader = No "perfect" or "easy" ICS CyanogenMod 9
Motorola lied about it ( Its a defy with "stock" clock processor values.. )
It only can use signed kernels (by motorola --> bootloader locked)
About your questions... No.. overclocked kernel doesnt exists... Only motorola's kernel overclocked from bootmenu or setvsel. Kernel is .32 i think...
In my opinion... You should look for a samsung or Htc phone...

dissapointing...

There is a petition for unlocking the moto bootloaders.
Sign it and spread the word.
Still, if nothing happens, maybe get a sony xperia active. It has ip67 and hd recording and i think its a good alternative if you look for a strong smartphone
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Luckily the CyanogenMod developers are very strong so we will get ICS unofficially. But if you don't need the IP67 certified case I would buy a Nexus phone (the Nexus S isn't that expensive any more) or a Sony (Ericsson). The XPeria Neo or Ray are at the same price level than the Defy but will get ICS in the next months. And because Sony (Ericsson) supports CyanogenMod all devices got CyanogenMod 7.

I would get something with 4" screen and unlocked bootloader. Other then that its just not worthed....
LG 2x come to my mind right now... or something similar.. for a long term...

So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts

TudorBlue said:
So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts
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Can be rooted but no custom kernel n other goodness..
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Man if u like defy take it...
Bootloader locked but there are groups like Cyanogen, Miui and peoples like Wajk, quarx, epsylon3... They are doing great work.
Simple argument i allready have ics and i love my defy now

"love your girl, take a defy" or maybe opposite
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TudorBlue said:
So let me get this straight, the defy+ cannot be rooted at all??? I had a defy and I loved it tbh. I liked the small size and it did everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I didnt like was motoblur. I got rid of this by rooting it. I WAS contemplating going in for a defy+ but Im starting toi have 2nd thoughts
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Mind you, it is still an excellent phone. Can be overclocked to 1.3GHz even without an unlocked bootloader and custom kernels. Also it is a very safe phone to play around with, physically cos of its relative ruggedness, and software wise because the locked bootloader means chances of bricking by doing something related to custom ROMs are nil.

I just have bought a Defy... should I have waited for the Defy+? Or Defy+ is not as good as de Vanilla one?

I would not buy another motorola defy by the locked bootloader, my next phone will have unlocked bootloader
Motorola sucks

darkvier said:
I would not buy another motorola defy by the locked bootloader, my next phone will have unlocked bootloader
Motorola sucks
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Me too... No bootloader = No more sales!

DEFY+ is old...... Why not try dual core .....like I9100?

Defy+ Update
Defy+ is great phone with improved motoblur
& here is one more reason to look forward to - ICS update for Defy+
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1378691

I would have bought it if I am at your place ..... its got official cm7 miui etc and have great dev support thumbs up .....
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Defy+ is great!
I'm also really satisfied with my Defy+. Rooted, MS2Ginger 2.1 with all patches (except the ones which have something to do with Blur), V6 Supercharger, now it is quite fast, good for playing around (testing different ROMs, nearly unbrickable) and really sturdy (even more with Otter Box Commuter Case). The size is also perfect.
May not be state-of-the-art hardware but has the potential to be a good phone even alongside the next generations of smartphones.

DHD worth it?

What's up fellas?
I'm currently using Sony Ericsson Arc S and to be honest, I'm not happy with it.... I put my phone on sale and I got an offer. Someone wants to exchange his Desire HD to my Arc. The hardware is pretty identical, processor(Arc has 1.4GHz Snappy, but basically it's just factory clocked 1GHz one). Both are about the same price when new.
Does this phone have something really worth... Desiring?
DHD has a lot more roms than Arc, and it's something I like.
Thanks!
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The DHD is an amazing phone with a lot of awesome, stable ROMs for it. Including ICS. But it's slowly becoming a legacy device. Many of the devs who used to make the best ROMs a few months back have now moved on to other devices. Mainly HTC One X and One S. In terms of Gingerbread ROM development, the DHD has reached a state where many of the GB ROMs available for it are in a very stable state, and there's not much to be done with them anymore in terms of bug fixes and new features. The DHD will receive one last round of development when the official ICS upgrade (announced by HTC) is released, which will help mainly to fix the camcorder in all the existing ICS ROMs by providing the required driver. Right now one ROM still going great in terms of development is IceColdSandwich by LorD ClockaN, which is a the best ICS ROM for the DHD.
I'm basically telling you the scene with DHD development right now, so that you can make up your mind better. If you can manage to get a newer generation device in the next few months, then I'd suggest you hold off this trade and get a new device once for all. But if you have no plans of getting a new device, then I'd say trade. The DHD is an awesome device with a very strong build quality and great performance (depending on ROM and kernel used). Feels very solid in the hand. Though it received dreadful battery life reviews when it was launched, that hasn't been a problem for me in a long time. I can get 1+ day with light use and 8 hours with very heavy use. The processor can be overclocked to 2 GHz too (if required) depending on the kernel used. I'd prefer it over the Arc S any day.

sashank said:
The DHD is an amazing phone with a lot of awesome, stable ROMs for it. Including ICS. But it's slowly becoming a legacy device. Many of the devs who used to make the best ROMs a few months back have now moved on to other devices. Mainly HTC One X and One S. In terms of Gingerbread ROM development, the DHD has reached a state where many of the GB ROMs available for it are in a very stable state, and there's not much to be done with them anymore in terms of bug fixes and new features. The DHD will receive one last round of development when the official ICS upgrade (announced by HTC) is released, which will help mainly to fix the camcorder in all the existing ICS ROMs by providing the required driver. Right now one ROM still going great in terms of development is IceColdSandwich by LorD ClockaN, which is a the best ICS ROM for the DHD.
I'm basically telling you the scene with DHD development right now, so that you can make up your mind better. If you can manage to get a newer generation device in the next few months, then I'd suggest you hold off this trade and get a new device once for all. But if you have no plans of getting a new device, then I'd say trade. The DHD is an awesome device with a very strong build quality and great performance (depending on ROM and kernel used). Feels very solid in the hand. Though it received dreadful battery life reviews when it was launched, that hasn't been a problem for me in a long time. I can get 1+ day with light use and 8 hours with very heavy use. The processor can be overclocked to 2 GHz too (if required) depending on the kernel used. I'd prefer it over the Arc S any day.
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Aye, overclock the DHD to 2 Ghz if you wanna FRY your phone, or if your lucky....just reduce the life of it by 90%.
With the mentioned ICS build....yeah, go for it, but don't exprect to be able to take pictures, take videos or read Sim card contacts etc etc.
HTC Desire, for me, using NON-ICS Roms has been AWESOME. Solid build, feels quality, fast etc...if I had a choice i.e. money wasn't object....I'd get the HTC One X...but still keep my Desire HD as a 2nd/backup phone, coz it's sooooo awesome and reliable.
Matt

Yeah, the thing is that Arc has dozens of roms, but it its always slow. I don't know why... I've read a lit of people telling how great Dhd is, and I'm pretty sure it beats Arc. I don't know, they're about the same price, do there's not much to lose... I'll go for it!
Thanks for in fo guys. I'll trade my Arc to Dhd. I'm gonna buy newer phone later.
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