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Desire on AT&T sometime? Please?

I'm in love with the Desire, does anyone have any news in this regard? I've googled a lot and there are random rumours.. Even rumours at this point will keep me happy.
Note: Yes, I know, the N1 will work on AT&T. Now we have that out of the way.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think it is coming. US Cellular is getting it, however they are CDMA carrier. As far as AT&T goes...they might be getting the HTC Legend. It just passed through the FCC with bands capable of catching AT&T 3G.
This has been discussed on HoFo. It sucks...but IMHO AT&T is focusing all of their attention on the iPhone coming out in the next few weeks.
One thing to note is that the Samsung Galaxy S is rumored to be released on all 4 carriers and unlocked just like the Nexus One

You could always import a Telstra Desire since they work on the same bands, if I'm not mistaken.

redrazr7791 said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think it is coming. US Cellular is getting it, however they are CDMA carrier. As far as AT&T goes...they might be getting the HTC Legend. It just passed through the FCC with bands capable of catching AT&T 3G.
This has been discussed on HoFo. It sucks...but IMHO AT&T is focusing all of their attention on the iPhone coming out in the next few weeks.
One thing to note is that the Samsung Galaxy S is rumored to be released on all 4 carriers and unlocked just like the Nexus One
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Yeah, AT&T wouldn't want to interfere with the jobsPhone.. meh... I've been reading around some of the rumours, one called Wildfire looks a bit like an Incredible with a hardware keyboard, I'd be okay with that one.. I like having a keyboard.
But this Dell Aero and Backflip.. Meh.

khaytsus said:
Yeah, AT&T wouldn't want to interfere with the jobsPhone.. meh... I've been reading around some of the rumours, one called Wildfire looks a bit like an Incredible with a hardware keyboard, I'd be okay with that one.. I like having a keyboard.
But this Dell Aero and Backflip.. Meh.
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Little kiddy phones
I forgot about the Telstra Desire, but I really do not think dishing out $800 just to get 3G is worth it. To each their own...we all have our limits

redrazr7791 said:
Little kiddy phones
I forgot about the Telstra Desire, but I really do not think dishing out $800 just to get 3G is worth it. To each their own...we all have our limits
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Yeah, I'd definitely get the N1 over the Desire if I had to import.. I don't have anything against the N1, but in some regards the Desire has bumped specs and I'll admit; I really like Sense.
But then again, it'll probably be like me using Windows Mobile's Today screen on my Tilt 2.. I'll get tired of the flashy stuff fairly fast and want simple and fast. Although I've used Sense on my Tilt 2 and XDAndroid and while it's quite slow, it's very nice.. Although I did see someone say they were using a Desire Sense on their N1, so probably not difficult to get it on there if I went that route.

khaytsus said:
Although I did see someone say they were using a Desire Sense on their N1, so probably not difficult to get it on there if I went that route.
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You could flash it onto the NX-1. I haven't been keeping up with Paul's progress on his "project" but...bluetooth for me is crucial. I really do not like the stock Android UI, so the Desire and Sense UI was a major factor for me buying it.
AT&T EDGE where I live is super fast so browsing speed really isn't that bad as some people think. I toggled between 3G and EDGE on my iphone 3G for a couple of days and could easily see the excessive battery drainage

redrazr7791 said:
You could flash it onto the NX-1. I haven't been keeping up with Paul's progress on his "project" but...bluetooth for me is crucial. I really do not like the stock Android UI, so the Desire and Sense UI was a major factor for me buying it.
AT&T EDGE where I live is super fast so browsing speed really isn't that bad as some people think. I toggled between 3G and EDGE on my iphone 3G for a couple of days and could easily see the excessive battery drainage
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erm.. EDGE = 10k/sec give or take... 3G = 700k/sec (average for me here), faster/slower in other places I'm sure
Yes, less power used on EDGE in almost all cases, even those of it taking less time, but very much worth it IMO.. My last few phones have been 3G and while I've tinkered with disabling it here and there to save power it's hardly ever worth it for the speed and losing data on voice calls.
I'm staring at the Google Nexus One payment page.. Sigh. I really want the Desire.
BTW, I see what you say about the Desire ROM on Nexus... I've flashed a few ROMs but that looks scary.. Hmmffffffffffff..

Well I wouldn't say it is scary, but you might face the usual problems like certain features missing or not working or the freeze-ups and need for reboots. Either way, I would just hold out for a little longer. The NX-1 came out in January, meaning that HTC will probably be working on a new, more powerful phone to release soon.
The Evo and Incredible should be available soon. Both the Nexus and Desire are already available so in a few months...say Q2-Q3...we will probably be seeing HTC drop new phones that are GSM ready.

Bleh, don't search ATT Desire on Twitter, lots of people saying they're sure it's coming.. Makes me twitchy.

khaytsus said:
Bleh, don't search ATT Desire on Twitter, lots of people saying they're sure it's coming.. Makes me twitchy.
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Verizon Galaxy Nexus

So I tested out the Verizon Galaxy Nexus at Columbus Circle in NYC. I was surprised at how light the phone is compared to it's size. I was also surprised at how thin it is (the photos online make it seem thicker than it actually is).
The phone is light and made of plastic but it didn't feel cheap like the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 next to it did.
The phone is not completely black, it's more of a very dark gray.
The screen looks amazing, very sharp and great colors. YouTube has an option to force streaming in High Quality even when not on wifi. The software buttons also hide themselves a few seconds after the video starts.
There was no SIM inserted in the phone but the Wifi speeds were 19,800kbps download (can't recall what the upload speed was).
Photos!
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Did you happen to see if it was 32gb?

TiltedAz said:
Did you happen to see if it was 32gb?
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It is 32gb. Many tech blogs have already done pics/videos. Shown apps, capacity, firmware version, etc.

TiltedAz said:
Did you happen to see if it was 32gb?
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no did not see sorry

i think the VZW model looks better. that and i still can't believe the GSM model is only 16GB when i thought that 32GB wasn't enough.... considering that i can download 1GB in 5 minutes(& have unlimited data)

i wanna get one asap i have had every single android phone and every single iphone i am currently on iphone 4s after nexus s i said to my self i would never go back to android because its so sluggish and the battery life was horrible on all the android phones i had, but when i saw ics it looked great now i am willing to give this a try and its lte..

flameinthefire said:
i wanna get one asap i have had every single android phone and every single iphone i am currently on iphone 4s after nexus s i said to my self i would never go back to android because its so sluggish and the battery life was horrible on all the android phones i had, but when i saw ics it looked great now i am willing to give this a try and its lte..
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you're probably going to see some abysmal battery life then.
sent from outside big and inside small.

@rbiter said:
you're probably going to see some abysmal battery life then.
sent from outside big and inside small.
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really? i heard good thing about the gn battery life

@rbiter said:
you're probably going to see some abysmal battery life then.
sent from outside big and inside small.
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heh... i had an iphone back in the day... i used to fall asleep at night while letting it stream music & when i woke up the next day it was still on streaming.... tried that once with my old Thunderbolt & remember getting up in the night to use the restroom(a few hours later) and the phone was already dead.... and considering that my Rezound only lasts about 2 1/2 hours(constant use) i'm not expecting much more from the GN.

voxigenboy said:
heh... i had an iphone back in the day... i used to fall asleep at night while letting it stream music & when i woke up the next day it was still on streaming.... tried that once with my old Thunderbolt & remember getting up in the night to use the restroom(a few hours later) and the phone was already dead.... and considering that my Rezound only lasts about 2 1/2 hours(constant use) i'm not expecting much more from the GN.
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damn thats a let down well the it has 1850mah battery and iphone only has 1400mah so lets see how it performs

LTE radios all use a lot of power, its endemic to first generation chipsets. The VIA chipset in the Gnex is no different and radio performance in general is mediocre in poor signal areas, compared to my Bionic or any of my other Motorola devices. The Qualcomm LTE chipset on the Thunderbolt is abysmal in this regard and battery life suffered horribly as a result.
None of the current LTE phones is going to deliver really decent battery life until the second generation chipsets appear next year.

flameinthefire said:
damn thats a let down well the it has 1850mah battery and iphone only has 1400mah so lets see how it performs
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And the iPhone doesn't have LTE, and has a 3.5" screen. That helps.
You can't even compare. 2 different OS's and completely different devices.

Epic 4g Touch vs Verizon Galaxy Nexus...

Hello everyone,
Like most of you here I bought the Epic 4g Touch soon after it came out after waiting for quite a while for the Galaxy S2 to be released domestically. I was aware of the Nexus being released but I chose not to wait. I am still happy with my phone, but I want to know if anyone could do an honest assessment of how these phones stack up. I have a few questions. I think on balance, I am still happy with the E4GT, but I am wondering if I am missing out on much.
1. How is the hardware different? From what I have gathered, the chips in both phones are nearly identical. Technically, both phones are very close in terms of capabilities. Is this correct?
The screens are about the same size but the Nexus has a higher resolution screen. Is there a great advantage to a 720p screen on a phone of this size over what our phone has? Is it really noticeable?
I have heard that the camera on the Epic 4g Touch is superior to the Galaxy Nexus. That being said, is the camera on our phones pretty much the best on all smartphones? Do you agree that the camera on our phone is solidly superior to the Nexus?
Overall, which phone would you say has the superior hardware?
2. I think the network is one major reason for getting the Galaxy Nexus. I think we all know that Verizon's internet speeds are great and the coverage is pretty much the best. And we know that LTE speeds are amazing. However, I am wondering if you think that having unlimited data is more important than faster speeds?
Where I live, I don't usually have 4g coverage. Call quality is quite good for me. Where I did get 4g coverage, speeds for me were about 6-7 mbps. That seems very fast to me. Maybe if LTE offers something like 15-20 mbps, I cannot see how one would appreciate this difference relative to normal data requirements.
Do you think that the speed difference between the Epic 4g Touch on Sprint and the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon is dramatic enough to overcome the data cap?
If I had access to consistent Wimax 4g speeds would that be preferable to Verizon LTE with a data cap given that wimax is more than sufficient for all normal cell phone tasks? Maybe I don't understand, but I find it hard to see how the increased speeds for internet on a cell phone is so important to so many people. Isn't speed beyond say 5mbps really overkill for a cell phone? What are people doing on their phones to warrant greater speeds?
I am sure I would appreciate faster 3g and more consistent speeds, but I am not sure whether the Verizon network with a hard data cap would, on balance, be a much better deal than I am getting with Sprint.
What are your thoughts on this?
3. For certain, the greatest selling point for the Galaxy Nexus is Ice Cream Sandwich. I already know that it is far superior to Gingerbread. But if and when we are able to get it running on the E4GT, would that render the two phones mostly identical in all important areas? Do you anticipate Sprint releasing an official update soon?
If not, what will it take to get a talented developer to release it for our phones? What is the current time frame for a release? Judging from past experience, is an unofficial release of a major OS update lacking in any significant way from an official release?
In conclusion, what are your thoughts on our phone, the Epic 4g Touch, and how it compares to the Galaxy Nexus on the issues I laid out here? And, given we have seen a number of impressive phones being released in the past couple of months, are you happy with your phones still? Do you wish you had waited?
And, one final question that is probably bothering me the most:
We all know that LTE is the future for cell phone companies. But will Sprint still continue to expand coverage of Wimax for those of us with Wimax phones? The speeds of Wimax 4g have been quite excellent in my experience and more than sufficient for everything that I would want to do on my phone. The problem is that it is not available enough places. If they have a commitment to continuing to expand coverage even as they roll out LTE coverage, I would be more reassured. Sprint 3g can be spotty. It is perfectly sufficient for internet browsing, but media streaming like youtube can be frustrating.
Thanks. I still love this phone but I wanted to see what you all thought of how it compares to the Galaxy Nexus and other new phones on the issues I mentioned.
I look forward to hearing your responses.

The screen is Super AMOLED non plus meaning its resolution is not true in the manner you are used to. Instead of having a Red Green and Blue sub pixel for each pixel counting to the resolution its usually a little more like having 1280 x 720 total sub pixels (varies by the design) It wont look as good as a true 1280 x 720 screen but its terrible either.
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I hit average speeds of what your getting as well. Peaks of up to 15 Mbps but from what I hear verizons upload speeds on LTE are better than the 1.4 im getting. I too am worried that I will be stuck with a phone that if I move into a non 4G area will never see 4G till I get an LTE phone.

The Exynos processor is much better for gaming on the phone.
Just because theyre both 1.2ghz doesn't mean theyre the same.
You can see more of a page on a higher resolution screen of the same size. The sensor on the Nexus is better its just less megapixels.
The Nexus also has NFC.
Verizon is more expensive with a data cap. Im on Wifi 90% of my day so the only thing i need is coverage and a lighter bill so for ME sprint would be better.
As of right now. ICS breaks some apps and also has its own issues. Though it is supposed to be faster will you really notice the difference on an already buttery smooth phone with amazing battery life? If they can implement little things into gingerbread like how they did the rotation animation i'd be happy.

if you can get 4g you should be fine
10 MB is normal for me and for the last year I thought there was no 4g around where u live but a bout a month ago I going 4g in a ton of areas close to me
Who needs a 40 MB speed if you get capped to 2gb per month
If you wanted to switch December was the only good time cause you would have 4 gb for the same price
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oh yeah I forgot to say but in my opinion we should get I cs in sometime in q2
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Anyone out there getting fed up with sprint horrible

We have the latest smart phones but cant use to its fulk capabilities because network is horrible anyone else getting ready to leave sprint it makes me mad that i have full bars and i cant not use web
Im on my SG3

Seeing as I just came from T mobile it is amazing to see how drastically different the networks are. I will tell you that the LTE is pretty amazing (I live in Kansas City) the few times I have been able to get it so it gives me some confidence that it will catch up pretty soon.

I used to have tmobile and it was pretty crappy im in chicago and i hope this network issue speeds up cuz its getting annoying
Im on my SG3

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You have a choice, just sayin.
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You knew this before you bought the SIII. Fortunately for me, I do live in one of the launch cities for their LTE. While it is still spotty where I live, I am seeing the 3G boost. I guess it's a matter of where you live. If the 4G speeds i've gotten is an indication, where it has tested as high as 28 megs, a little more patience will go a long way.

I think he is one of those never happy customers.
Complained about TMobile, complains about sprint. IF he went to att he would find something to complain about them as well.
If your unhappy with it do something about it other then letting us know your not happy.
IF you need the number to Sprint let me know, i will google it for you..
Im on Sprint. I am patient enough to wait out the issues and am finally seeing some improvement..

Sprint has best price and best phone selection.

Been with Sprint for more then 8 years...I've had my issues but they aren't enough for me to complain about and I can do everything on my phone with their 3G service.
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boogief1 said:
We have the latest smart phones but cant use to its fulk capabilities because network is horrible anyone else getting ready to leave sprint it makes me mad that i have full bars and i cant not use web
Im on my SG3
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If you posted this from your phone, logged onto this forum and made a thread. Is that not using the full capacity of the service provider on your mobile device?

Most people here have been with sprint prior to coming to the S3 and we just deal with it mostly because of price and unlimited data. It's pretty well known that sprint doesn't have the best coverage (could change in the future) and if this is a deal breaker for anyone then that person should've researched more before signing on.
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Sprint was goid when i got it about four years ago im just saying in Chicago is getting worst and worst lots of people i know are dropping sprint what kind of **** is it that i have full bar 3g and my web doesnt work
Im on my SG3

Once again, did you but know this before signing a contract?
If it's that terrible pay the etf and move on. Complaining isn't going to do a damn thing about it.
And I'm willing to bet your web works. But not in the way you want it to.
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I get mad then I think about how verizon and AtT are so expensive and how tmobile also doesnt have unlimited data. Then I become happy and say Thank goodness im with sprint.:thumbup:

I agree with the op no need to flame him I did speed test in at&t stores and sprint and sprint is so far behind its crazy
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@speedin07si dude my web does not work at all and this is tested on 3 phone and none of them rooted
Im on my SG3

boogief1 said:
@speedin07si dude my web does not work at all and this is tested on 3 phone and none of them rooted
Im on my SG3
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Sounds like it may just be you then. Our else we'd see a ton more users in your area reporting they can't connect to the browser.
I agree Sprint service is subpar compared to other companies.
If you are unhappy go fight with Sprint and tell them to waive your etf she to no service at your house.
Just my .02
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Just left sprint for Verizon. I had the s3 but got tired of sprint basically I had a 3g so I switched to Verizon got s3 that I can actually use 4g on
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If you're near Chicago it may be an issue with the pending upgrade to LTE.
I just came to Sprint from Verizon because Verizon is too expensive and because they (and the handset manufacturers whose phones they sell) lock everything down so tightly. I really got fed up with them when they claimed that the OG Droid (which I owned) was not capable - from a hardware standpoint - of wireless tethering when my Droid was rooted and I was actually tethering. Sprint's coverage is currently not as good as Verizon, but it is cheaper, it is unlimited data, and I think it will be much better coverage when the upgrade to LTE is done and they "turn on the switch." Until the upgrade is done why don't you just quietly "ride out the storm."
That being said, I get 4G about 80% of the time and am getting about 15M up and 1.9M . Maybe you can look forward to that.

Sprint does do things as- backwards,
Sprint was the First with the Best 4G device available, the Evo 4G, but most customers never saw Wimax to take full advantage of the Evo's capabilities.
I didn't see Wimax until over a year later, and I was one of the fortunate ones
All the promises by Sprint regarding Wimax coming to your city soon, were emptier than a pot full of gold left in the middle of Times Square at High Noon.
Now we have LTE, well most really don't, at least for now.
I do hope that LTE is not rolled out like Wimax Never was.
Hey, I got my S3 without LTE availability yet. Was this a smart choice? Probably not. But I like the S3 if it begins to have the ability to make calls without constantly dropping them.
Hopefully the LF9 modem takes care of this.
Yet I digress.
As I said, Sprint's track record has been poor regarding rolling out Networks. I will be happy if LTE proves me wrong........

boogief1 said:
Sprint was goid when i got it about four years ago im just saying in Chicago is getting worst and worst lots of people i know are dropping sprint what kind of **** is it that i have full bar 3g and my web doesnt work
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You do know that Sprint is currently in a total rebuild of the Chicago system with the Network Vision/LTE upgrade. According to S4GRU.com they are about 40% built, with an estimated deployment of September 2012. When they rebuild a market there are disruptions.
I, on the other hand am in a market not even scheduled for LTE yet.

Convince me to buy the P2XL

Hey folks... first I am not trying to start anything negative....I really am wanting the P2XL but with the perceived issues I read about and the price tag I am having difficulty rationalizing the extra 400 dollars vs the Essential. I know many of the issues are blown a bit out of proportion. To me the best way of getting the facts is to go to the users who actually use the device...
I would be coming from the Nexus 6p.
Thanks for any information.

Mate, if you want a new Device and consider the Pixel 2 XL I just want to tell you: Get it and test it. If it fits your expectations stick with it, if not, change. Easy.
I also ordered mine but will get it in round about 5-10 days and despite all the negative press I am very excited. If it doesnt fit my expectations I will get my refund and done.
Btw: the hardest competitor to the Pixel 2 XL is the upcoming OnePlus 5t in my opinion and absolutely not the essential

Agreed, buy it and try it for yourself. The return process is pretty simple with Google if you change your mind. All you have to loose is a bit of time.

Buy it or don't buy, who cares, I got mine...

if you need to have to ask someone else for justification, you probably shouldn't buy it.

I think you should buy an iPhone. Those people have been convinced that their product is superior and they should buy it. So I think you should as well! Jk jk jk?

KevTN said:
Hey folks... first I am not trying to start anything negative....I really am wanting the P2XL but with the perceived issues I read about and the price tag I am having difficulty rationalizing the extra 400 dollars vs the Essential. I know many of the issues are blown a bit out of proportion. To me the best way of getting the facts is to go to the users who actually use the device...
I would be coming from the Nexus 6p.
Thanks for any information.
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What issues have you read about? Have you experienced these yourself? Every device has issues when released, this didn't stop me from buying. The price tag is there because Google DOESN'T want to sell hardware. They give you the price tag to deter you away, and it works for most.
I'm a Google/AOSP enthusiast - I was on every nexus device and Pixel. I will always be. Issues or not. Google has not once ever let me down like OnePlus has. I will stand behind Google and what ever it sells.
The company backing a product is also a huge selling point for me. Not to mention the phone rocks. Just an FYI. What phone has an orange power button!?

The essential phone would be the obvious buy if it wasn't for the camera. The extra $400 (closer to $500) is the premium I'm willing to pay to have the best camera ever on a phone. I have 2 young kids, so the ability to be able to pull out my phone and get an awesome picture every time is something I'm willing to pay for.
If you don't take a lot of pictures, there's plenty of better options out there for you. I'd consider the essential, the op 5t, the razer phone, heck even my old v20 is still rock solid and retains a removable battery and ir blaster.

KevTN said:
Hey folks... first I am not trying to start anything negative....I really am wanting the P2XL but with the perceived issues I read about and the price tag I am having difficulty rationalizing the extra 400 dollars vs the Essential. I know many of the issues are blown a bit out of proportion. To me the best way of getting the facts is to go to the users who actually use the device...
I would be coming from the Nexus 6p.
Thanks for any information.
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I have the P 2 XL and love the phone. Does everything right. The barely showing time of day and message notification is GREAT.
Also, the what music is playing now feature is helpful. If you don't want to buy and maybe return it, go to a Verizon store and handle
one for a few. You'll be able to tell alot from handling it and seeing if you like the screen. Def worth a look! Get the US Unlocked version
from Google or Swappa, not the Verizon due to locked down bootloader. p.s. Tried and returned the Essential. Doesn't compare.....

Your choice and hands-on is best test! My badboy Pixel XL 2 is rocking...

When the phone came out all reviews were overwhelmingly positive based on the reviewer's perception of the particular phone they were sent. My perception is the same. I love it! Very fast, very efficient, great camera and now the screen is great too! Based on most initial reviews and my own experience I'm guessing the phones with significant problems are very few compared to those that don't. Also the overall rating on this forum is 4.8.
I think most of the issues with the phone affect each of us (or don't affect us at all) differently based on how we use it. You have nothing to lose by trying it.

My XL is going back today. Apparently I have one of the 'bad' pOLED displays.
I could not care less about the saturation or whatever. And it's not just the blue shift on mine. The red and yellows that appear unless you are looking dead center ruin the experience.
This is not acceptable for $850+ device. The IPS LCD on my 2 yr old LG V10 is vastly superior to the Pixel 2 XL.
The quality control issue is real, and the denials by Google are sad. Here are two side by side from the other thread:
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https://i.imgur.com/uLRSI1G.jpg
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I'm more than happy with mine. Although I'm still waiting for the 5t to come out but i think I'ma stick with XL. This thing is so smooth. Battery life and camera are the best two parts of the phone. The blue shift is not bothering me at all and although I'm not used to the natural colors but i think it could be fixed with custom kernels. Microphone is terrible tho.
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Thank folks for all the input....I do believe I will prob go with the 2XL