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Started having doubts on my purchase.....

So, I've been reading so much on the charge and thunderbolt. With regards to the 4g and started feeling like I made the wrong choice. Well, i popped in the Verizon store to see these two phones and found the Charge felt very cheaply made. The Home buttons felt very "loose". Also did a small test with the speed and my dinc2 was barely slower than the 4g bolt on loading websites. I do like the feel of the bolt, as it's very similar to the Dinc2 screen and software. Long story short my after playing with all 3 phone, I feel very comfortable with my choice. The 4g as I saw it doesn't save much time at all with regard to web surfing. That could all change in time though lol.
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me too...I really need wireless tether and netflix....only reason I got this phone to replace my inc1 was for the global since I'm out of the country often

I have to admit, I have not yet once doubted the purchase of the DINC2.
The TB didn't interest me because of some of the issues it had. I did briefly contemplate the Casio G'Zone (or whatever it's called). And I've sworn up and down there was no way in hell I'd ever buy another Samsung phone, so that left the Charge out. Plus, I don't need 4G. So the DINC2 just made sense.
Yeah, I paid full price for it the day after it was released, but after nearly six months of the instability and bugs of the Droid 2 Global, it was an investment well worth it to get a stable phone.
Love my Droid Incredible 2...with or without root.

The Charge buttons were ridiculous. Very big and felt like they could fall off. It might be because it was a demo. If thunderbolt didn't have all the issues, i would definitely want it. I feel better after going in and trying the other phones out, since buying the Dinc2 was a bit of a whim
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I love my Dinc2 its my first smart phone and i'm in love with it. Although i am a little hesitant about not being on the 4g network. The things i'm reading about the TB Charge and Revo make me wanna stay with the Dinc2 plus it was 50$ cheaper and I didn't have the extra money at that time. Just afraid in the two years i'm contracted to it i'll regret not being able to use 4g.

applejacks108 said:
I love my Dinc2 its my first smart phone and i'm in love with it. Although i am a little hesitant about not being on the 4g network. The things i'm reading about the TB Charge and Revo make me wanna stay with the Dinc2 plus it was 50$ cheaper and I didn't have the extra money at that time. Just afraid in the two years i'm contracted to it i'll regret not being able to use 4g.
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One of the bigger reasons that I didn't go 4G/LTE is my concerns about reliability on that network still. 3G is still rock solid.

I guess I still don't understand why people need/want [email protected]/s over [email protected]/s? What do you do on your phone that would need anything over 2MB/s?

sixteen2nd said:
I guess I still don't understand why people need/want [email protected]/s over [email protected]/s? What do you do on your phone that would need anything over 2MB/s?
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I could see it from a tethering perspective. Beyond that, everything I've bothered to stream has usually streamed just fine over 3G.

sixteen2nd said:
I guess I still don't understand why people need/want [email protected]/s over [email protected]/s? What do you do on your phone that would need anything over 2MB/s?
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Good question. Tethering is an obvious answer, but with Verizon cracking down hard on tethering, I'm staying with 3G.
LTE is still very much in its infancy. I'd rather have better battery life.
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Yes, 2mbit is realistic.
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The only reason I'd want 4G is for tethering. Still, I've tethered with my Eris and didn't feel like it was terrible speed. Using the internet on my I2 has been significantly better than my Eris simply because the device itself is faster. My roommate still has his Sprint Hero (equivalent to the Eris) and watching us browse websites shows completely night and day differences in experience. The 3G didn't slow me down on my Eris, the hardware did.

Verizon is going to have issues in some area's anyway. My area has some older switches and won't see 4G for quite some time, and it's the 2nd biggest city in Illinois. I'm opting for the Dinc2 as soon as the bootloader situation gets figured out. I'll hold off for a 2nd gen 4g chip that doesn't make the phone bulky and drain batteries to death.

I had a T-bolt and returned it after 14 days. It was fine in Mexico where I had limited data access, but as soon as I got to the US and it got within range of 3G or 4G, the battery drained far too quickly. I got 30+MB/s at one point (RDU airport, terminal A), but most places were in the 20+MB/s range, like Detroit and a couple of other places that I forget.
I returned it for an iPhone4, which is not a bad phone (aside from having to deal with Apple and the idiotic form/function design issues), and gets great battery life. After three weeks I got assigned to Bahrain support duty, so I eBay'd the iPhone for $515 picked up a Dinc2 as a global phone because I had a Dinc1 for a while and really liked it. So far it hasn't been bad. I did the temp-root/bloat-freeze to get rid of the most annoying stuff and loaded AWD Launcher to get the screen like I want it, as well as a Seidio 1750 battery for a bit more usage time.
I'd really like to have more ROM options like my Dinc1, and if I wasn't assigned to a global support role I'd probably go back to the Dinc1, but the Dinc2 is a decent phone.

Should I buy - coming from Nexus 5

I have a opportunity to get a good deal on one. Should I buy?
I have a nexus 5 that I love, but I want more battery life. I have two small children that I take pictures of, so most pictures would be close range. Camera adequate for that?
I tried the OnePlus One. I liked it, but it was a little big, and the camera wasn't fast enough.
I could get it for $100 difference over my nexus 5.
Thoughts?

Of you want to keep it stock battery life isn't that great but if you go gpe or flash nocturnals gpe ROM battery life will be great

I usually switch phone every 6 months but this phone, I cant find another one that can beat it...but thats just my usage.

If this was a few months ago, I would say yes but kinda hard to recommend right now with the newer crop of phones out or coming soon. The Z3 would probably be the biggest contender with an excellent camera and crazy battery life.
I bought the N5 on release day and had it till about a month ago. Used Sense on the M8 for a day and found it laggy in some places so I converted it to GPE and that only lasted a couple of days cause it just didn't feel as smooth as stock N5.
Went back to Sense but a couple of days ago reconverted to GPE again and this time it feels smoother.
Maybe it only feels this way in comparison to Sense or that I have forgotten how fluid the N5 was but I'm not complaining. I got the M8 as a stop-gap phone until the N6 release but looks like I may have to stick with the M8 cause I can't justify the price of the N6.
HTC One M8

I don't think I would ever buy a Sony phone especially saying they're struggling business wise m8/m8 gpe are the winners
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HTC was struggling profit wise too.
HTC One M8

Previous phone was a Nexus 5 so now owning the HTC ONE M8 is very nice.if you miss the feel of you Nexus just flash GPE

I know people fight about it all the time around here and I'm going to get flamed to death, but if camera is important you'd kinda be nuts to buy this phone. Worst camera I've had in a long time. Look at any head-to-head matchup among modern phones and hte M8 is invariably in last place when it comes to camera.

thebobmannh said:
I know people fight about it all the time around here and I'm going to get flamed to death, but if camera is important you'd kinda be nuts to buy this phone. Worst camera I've had in a long time. Look at any head-to-head matchup among modern phones and hte M8 is invariably in last place when it comes to camera.
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Fire ! Fire !
It's all good but compared to the Nexus 5 it is a better richness to the quality of pictures. And the forward facing takes really clear pics [emoji111]

jball said:
Fire ! Fire !
It's all good but compared to the Nexus 5 it is a better richness to the quality of pictures. And the forward facing takes really clear pics [emoji111]
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The forward facing cam is definitely good. The rear.... not so much.

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Came from the Nexus 5 as well. Miss the size of the Nexus but the pros of the M8 definitely outweigh the cons of it compared to the N5. If you're bored, go ahead and switch.

aamirani said:
Came from the Nexus 5 as well. Miss the size of the Nexus but the pros of the M8 definitely outweigh the cons of it compared to the N5. If you're bored, go ahead and switch.
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Disable the softkeys and use pie controls to pick up screen size [emoji111]

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Adorable. She looks around the same age as my daughter.
I'm not really crazy about quality of pictures, but speed of the camera. With my kids constantly moving, it's nice to capture something without much blur. Does the camera work well for that?

Yes but you can video and save stills if you have to

Stock can have as great battery life as any rom. In fact, depending on your usage and setup, it makes no difference what rom you use... Stock ... Gpe... Aosp.
If you really want good battery life, do everything (or as much as you want to) in post 2 in the battery thread in my signature.
Here's my results... Stock based Sense rom. And stock kernel. (note the average times at bottom of the shot... Not just a good day.... The norm.)
No, N5 is no where near the M8 on battery life... Potentially.

(Pixel XL + Project FI) vs. (Note 7 + prepaid USC)

(Pixel XL + Project FI) vs. (Note 7 + prepaid USC)
What is your hypothetical choice?
I'm a low data user, usually not more than 500MB per month...
So, what would YOU choose?
1) Note 7, banned, not any other phone even compares in terms of features, and $35 per month on USC
vs.
2) Pixel XL, you know the score, but $25-30 per month on Project FI.
I already have the two phones, I can cancel/port number, either one. The question is which do I keep?
Considerations:
a) In terms of features, prestige, looks, coolness factor, not even a contest - Note 7 blows ANY current phone out of the water. Add to that Samsung Pay, which works everywhere unlike Android Pay or Apple Pay or any other paypay, and you have a winner. But the phone is dead - no updates, no new features, possible disable of IMEI in the future... The future is very bleak, but today is glorious!
b) Pixel Xl is fast- FAST, Project FI is cheap for a low data user, and there are new updates a coming! But that's about it - the phone is kinda ugly, Project Fi is buggy, and it's just, well, uninspiring. It's a solid phone, but it's ...just that.
I'll have to make a choice in the near future - logic dictates to keep awesome Note 7 until Galaxy S8 arrives, then return for a full refund. But what if they ban Note 7 imei in the US like they did in New Zealand and Australia? Or stop full refunds?
Opinions?
P.S. BTW, before any fire hazard discussion starts - Note 7 safety is not a concern here. Zero concern.

@nabbed,
For starters, I'll state that I have a Pixel XL running on Fi.
My comments:
Note 7: Prestige? Maybe in your mind. But since the battery debacle, not in a lot of others.
Project Fi: Buggy? Really? I've been on Fi since it's launch. It has been rock solid for me.
In any event, my personal criteria is to never let my device drive my carrier choice. For me, the 1st criteria is to choose the carrier that best fits my needs and offers the best value. Then the device follows...

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@nabbed,
For starters, I'll state that I have a Pixel XL running on Fi.
My comments:
Note 7: Prestige? Maybe in your mind. But since the battery debacle, not in a lot of others.
Project Fi: Buggy? Really? I've been on Fi since it's launch. It has been rock solid for me.
In any event, my personal criteria is to never let my device drive my carrier choice. For me, the 1st criteria is to choose the carrier that best fits my needs and offers the best value. Then the device follows...
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Hey, I also have a Pixel XL, running on FI! But it's buggy as hell! I spent over a literal hour on my other phone with an agent to sort it out. And it wouldn't make calls even though data was working, and then it was working again, making calls. And then it stopped calling again. And then it started again. There was no reason for it though, seemed like a bug in software.
And just so it doesn't seem like I'm blowing smoke up your huhu, here's a screenshot:
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nabbed said:
Hey, I also have a Pixel XL, running on FI! But it's buggy as hell! I spent over a literal hour on my other phone with an agent to sort it out. And it wouldn't make calls even though data was working, and then it was working again, making calls. And then it stopped calling again. And then it started again. There was no reason for it though, seemed like a bug in software.
And just so it doesn't seem like I'm blowing smoke up your huhu, here's a screenshot:
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I understand that it is buggy, now, for you. I have no doubt. But this isn't the norm. Plenty of Project Fi users with the Pixel XL.
I don't know if the problem is your device. And I'm sorry that I can't offer any tangible tips for troubleshooting. But I can assure you that something isn't right. And if you can get it sorted out, the combination of XL plus Fi works just fine.

cam30era said:
I understand that it is buggy, now, for you. I have no doubt. But this isn't the norm. Plenty of Project Fi users with the Pixel XL.
I don't know if the problem is your device. And I'm sorry that I can't offer any tangible tips for troubleshooting. But I can assure you that something isn't right. And if you can get it sorted out, the combination of XL plus Fi works just fine.
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Do you really believe that the combination of XL plus FI works just fine, that is, for everyone?
Or is it buggy Google software?
I guess I answered my own question here.

Aside from the risk of fire, it's now a federal crime you bring a Note 7 onboard an aircraft. Even considering the features, that would be enough to strike the Note 7 as an option.
My experience with Pixel XL on Project Fi has been flawless. For low data users, Fi offers excellent value, especially with the coverage overseas.

I have Fi since day one and it's been buggy since day one as well. I probably have over 50 support calls lol. If not for recent T-Mobile price hike and Fi somewhat buggy but fast international roaming, I would be on T-Mobile instead

Fi and the Pixel XL have been amazing for me so far in the few weeks I've had it. I've had a few call issues, but I quickly fixed by forcing to Sprint or vice versa.

You posted this in the pixel sub-forum, responses should be obvious.
Also, Samsung wouldn't take billions in losses and non-reversible brand damage in recalling a phone that isn't a threat to YOU.

Stupid question honestly.
And I've had FI for almost a year now, Pixel XL a couple weeks after it was released. Never had any problems with Fi.

g00s3y said:
Stupid question honestly.
And I've had FI for almost a year now, Pixel XL a couple weeks after it was released. Never had any problems with Fi.
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You really think it was a stupid question? Note 7 vs. Pixel XL?

Samsung will reveal the cause of the Galaxy Note 7’s exploding battery this Sunday

The Verge is reporting that; "Samsung will reveal the cause of the Galaxy Note 7’s exploding battery this Sunday"
Moment of Truth?

Can't wait. So we can finally move on and they can finally make a good phone for us again.

Looks to have been leaked early:
http://amp.androidcentral.com/galaxy-note-7-had-two-separate-battery-defects

Phlip00ws6 said:
Looks to have been leaked early:
http://amp.androidcentral.com/galaxy-note-7-had-two-separate-battery-defects
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Hoping this is a simplistic assumption. There has to be a bigger/broader explanation. Apple, LG, Sony, etc. (put in the same position) wouldn't sacrifice billions and loose a whole product line over "just battery issues". They would recall the device, blame the battery manufacturer and replace the battery with a more reliable one. I could even see a scenario in which the replacement battery has a slight spec bump for "goodwill and PR purposes".
No, there has to be more at play here like an inherent design flaw. Perhaps one that only allow for limited high capacity battery options given the allotment of space in the device as has been reported elsewhere.
Lets just hope they are truthful, yes?

it's seeming likely what some have guessed of there not being enough expansion room for the battery being the second battery issue, as if that was the problem they would need to totally redesign either the battery to be smaller or reengineer the frame and everything else in the phone to free up space for the battery expansion, this is the only way I could it see it being an issue that is unfixable in a reasonable time frame.
but really until we see what they release everything is just guess work, just have to hope the release a bit more detail other than just "battery issues"

I doubt we will get the whole, complete truth. Just enough to regain confidence of consumers and investors.
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I doubt we will get the whole, complete truth.
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What difference does it make? The reason the Note7 was killed wasn't just because of a mysterious overheating issue. There's no question that with time Samsung could have figured it out and corrected it. Once the Note7 became a global laughing stock and lightning rod for negative hits on Samsung's reputation the choice was allow the Note7 to flounder in the public eye while they tried to fix it or kill it.
Here's the S7 Edge and Note7 overlaid. They are virtually the same size. Note the similar width.
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Look at the internals.
The silo for the S Pen takes up almost half an inch vertically running parallel to the battery. To keep the Note7's battery capacity and physical size comparable to the S7 Edge Samsung crammed ten pounds of sh!t in to a five pound bag. To "fix" the Note7 would have required a new smaller capacity battery and/or a complete retooling of its internals. The latter would have taken months which Samsung didn't have. The cost of a fix probably wouldn't have been much cheaper than pulling the plug. So they did. Simple as that. It was a business decision that killed the Note7. The issue leading up to its death was both a technical and ego drive one in that Samsung tried to deliver too much in the packaging they chose and pushed the technology available beyond its limits. A future case study for business majors.

Phlip00ws6 said:
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WTF?
This is what they gonna share? This is even less BS than the first guess anyone made when the first battery exploded!!!
This is as retarded as saying "the Battery exploded because of fire inside the phone, because we made bad phones".
xD

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/01/live-samsung-talks-about-the-exploding-galaxy-note7/

Interesting, but not surprising. Most interesting is two different issues in both sets of battery production. Basically the way the battery was manufactured to meet the specs of the phone size (and the SPen added less room to fit the battery so now we know why the N7 had a slightly smaller battery than the S7) meant building a battery that was just too tight for Lithium battery chemicals. But still two different issues in both different productions of the batteries (original run, and 2nd run after the first recall).

I can't help but notice they said failures happened early in the life of devices. So maybe holdbacks were right all along and why are they now pushing to get the last few percent back? I am NOT saying people should keep them, I don't know what this means. If someone can clarify if they know more about these things...

I thought one of the presenters said battery B's is problem is more likely to occur later in life.

"...Samsung may start reselling the recalled Note 7 handsets, 3m of which had been sold, as refurbished phones fitted with new, safe batteries..." The Telegraph uk
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jopa7 said:
"...Samsung may start reselling the recalled Note 7 handsets, 3m of which had been sold, as refurbished phones fitted with new, safe batteries..." The Telegraph uk
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Hmm interesting. Wonder if thats going to happen. Im so fed up with my G3 LG by now and its only been a month or so with it. Miss my N7, still waiting to get some good news on reactivating the thing.
On another note, where all the smart asses who kept telling me it was the battery fit that caused the fires??

This is how Samsung plans to prevent future phones from catching fire

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I thought one of the presenters said battery B's is problem is more likely to occur later in life.
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They did but they didn't say at what point in the tests the ones with manufacturing defects failed nor did they say how many of the 200k phones and 30k batteries failed.
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Question No more OP 9 Pro updates?

Really?
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The latest OTA is version 11.2.8.8.LE15AA, I think that one in the screenshot is the full version download preceding the latest OTA updates, but IDK for sure lol
Edit - my default kernel was built on Jul 8 2021, and android security date/level is 7/1/21 ... HTH

I read about OnePlus getting new people to make a team to work on Open Beta for 9/9Pro.
I like that!

New team is not something to like. It might be good but also be a disaster. Questions should be asked like WHY????? are they getting a new team? What happened to all the revenue they made and how are they using it? Who is controlling the company, One Plus or the Chinese government? Why the delay to begin with. I realized DP1 was developers preview and not beta but why not allow Google updates for DP 2 and three. Who cares that Oxygen was not on it yet. Now that stability been reached with Beta, let's us Early Adopters adopt. I refuse to buy a Google Pixel love my one plus but was so excited that it allowed BL to be unlocked but I feel let down by OP. Perhaps my expectations were unrealistic to begin with

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This update is from June. (end of the month)
There's an update (11.2.8.8) from July. (end of month)
So, following this logic, this week OnePlus might release a new one.

bencozzy said:
I'd be more worried if the US government was running it like apple with the new back door.
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Lol US government and Chinese as well because even though apple says they are all American blah blah but they are manufactured in China as well. Just all marketing etc

People get married, have kids, no more time to spend on Android. Priorities change.

null0seven said:
People get married, have kids, no more time to spend on Android. Priorities change. I also think not only priorities of people's lives but also Android itself and the huge slowdown of phone evolution. Actual since smartphone sales slowed companies like apple and Google created smart watches to help increase revenues. They first used the old nostalgic movies like knight rider or James bond to sell them even though Smart watches cannot do anything close to what the movies portrayed. You can make flippable phones but you won't see hologram s coming out of your phone. I know we love to always think of our technology being limitless but that dam law of physics keeps getting in the way. So now they will start with AR glasses with WebView capabilities. And when that fails, which it will because who wants a HUD I'm their line of sight. In 30 years we will events have implants and chips that will help the brain and technology link. Isn't it Neurolink that exists now. That technology is decades away. Because again we do not know how the body/brain will react and now I'm having flashback from the movie Black Mirror.
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Ain't no updates that can save this POS.

the support update page is only updated from time to time, it does not repesent the actual stage of the software.
At this point 11.2.8.8 is up 2 date. OnePlus updates bi-monthly.

sultan.of.swing said:
Ain't no updates that can save this POS.
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Get a life.. go buy an iphone or something and quit trolling

There's closed beta testing so maybe devs are focusing to it. Sad to see no fix for Gmail notification bug...

AndroPlus said:
There's closed beta testing so maybe devs are focusing to it. Sad to see no fix for Gmail notification bug...
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I think the gmail app just sux. I've experienced the late notifications across quite a few devices personally.

Oxygen sucks because of google. The more google on it the more bad Oxygen will be.
Also the King of Bloatware, samsung already gets Androis 12.
And OnePlus release 9R or something...

They are starting the ultimate consolidation of Oxygen OS into Color OS. How is OnePlus going to manage all these phones? Do they even have enough staff to manage all these phones?

Unfortunately they only update bi-monthly.
I saw a user suggest on their official forums basically say "hey guys, how about monthly updates like your competition?" in a friendly way, and a mod basically said **** off and closed the thread. I wasn't impressed.
This was my first OnePlus device, maybe my last.
That 12 Beta debacle was ridiculous.

After having the 7, 8, & 9 Pro, I will be leaving the building as well!

Is this a joke? About month last update and now ppl are think this is over. How do u even can survive this life?

I like how people actually think theres a decent alternative to oneplus these days. At least not in the US. Maybe google if the pixel 6 is actually premium/flagship this time. Otherwise theres no other brand with an unlockable bootloader, which is how they get away with so much bloat. Personally im fine of oneplus becomes a little more like the others as long as the hardware is premium and the bootloader is unlockable.

9 Pro is my first and last phone from OP if they can't get they BS sorted out. The phone has horrible battery life, scrolling issues, and it doesn't get better with next updates. Also, wtf is that BS with the bi-monthly update scheudle? A device like this should be fixed ASAP, the users are experiencing problems and neet to wait, the hell is that policy? Would they wait 2 months to release an update if someone would find a security bug too? So stupid. Get your **** together OnePlus.