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First signs of a Froyo delay?

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at samsung mobile singapur's facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileSingapore?v=wall&viewas=0)
Don't know if it's, as some people posted after flashing jph, good news.

since JPH is still buggy, they'd better work harder and give it some time

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6 Days To supposedly release
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters...&month=09&day=23&hour=12&min=00&sec=00&p0=195

It wouldn't surprise me.. Software development is never a definitive process. It's impossible to determine how long something will take. Sometimes it takes quicker than expected, sometimes longer.

as i said elsewhere, if they cancel release and work on it further before releasing it's a good thing for us.
if they release the current version they will prolly stop working on fixing the important stuff
if they dont and delay further it means they have realized the "important stuff" REQUIRES fixing before release
in a nutshell:
- RFS performance (replacement would be neat but they are too proud of their own FS or smth.. weird)
- GPS accuracy ( /pray ?)
- Reported critical software bugs (exchange, etc)
Luckily they read XDA

Just a question - how is this question for development section?

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Reported. Please take that racist [email protected]# elsewhere, or if you think you're THAT cool, show me what YOU can do better! Kernel patch to fix lag, stereo FM radio, longer battery life, etc. would do.

siddspain said:
Seen this:
at samsung mobile singapur's facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileSingapore?v=wall&viewas=0)
Don't know if it's, as some people posted after flashing jph, good news.
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Please note that this message is for the Singapure upgrade:
Jerahmeel Zacky Chua So Galaxy S was first released in SG... Are we the first to get Froyo too?
Wednesday at 5:09pm · Flag
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Samsung Mobile Singapore Hi Jerahmeel, unfortunately not. Europe will be getting it first. SG should still be getting at end of Sep.

Samsung UK mobile on twitter are still giving out the "end of September " answer on Twitter so...... who knows. I'd say samsung but I'm starting to doubt that!

We'll just have to wait and see right?
I prefer they another week or 2 to really finalize it and fix all the bugs before releasing instead of rushing for a release which only disappoints.

cheers man, I am personally not offended but some people might be a bit more PC

ontopic: i wouldn't mind upgrading to froyo knowing it had bugs, but at the same time knowing it would get updated within a reasonable time frame. the problem we have with samsung (apart from having to put up with their developing "skills") is that they are very quiet. you only find out about stuff per semi-dodgy twitter or facebook accounts.

very likely samsung is rushing froyo to pre-empt the Desire HD which ships with froyo. (and early previews seems to indicate a very mature froyo at that) and latest reports says the Desire HD may even ship a week earlier...so our buddy Mr Sam Sung is in a bit of a bind here....lol.
rushed the 2.1 to pre-empt the iphone4 and now trying to rush 2.2 to pre-empt the HD....tough being mr sam.

And then they'll rush their new gingerbread phone to market and forget all about their galaxy s customers..... :/

sunwee said:
very likely samsung is rushing froyo to pre-empt the Desire HD which ships with froyo. (and early previews seems to indicate a very mature froyo at that) and latest reports says the Desire HD may even ship a week earlier...so our buddy Mr Sam Sung is in a bit of a bind here....lol.
rushed the 2.1 to pre-empt the iphone4 and now trying to rush 2.2 to pre-empt the HD....tough being mr sam.
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in a way i feel they will struggle from rushing so much...we will see

Maybe it's just how long it takes for every country to customize it or something like that. I read it somewhere.

sionyboy said:
And then they'll rush their new gingerbread phone to market and forget all about their galaxy s customers..... :/
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Well if they forget about their Galaxy S customers with regard to Gingerbread, they wont be doing themselves any favours with a phone that's been on the market a less than a year.
I know new Android phones are constantly being released but Samsung will not announce a new phone as soon as Gingerbread is released.
The Galaxy S will still be a flagship product and companies will need to take a leaf out of Nokia's book.
Look how many people stuck with the likes of Nokia for many years.
Companies like Samsung producing Android phones need to start getting their act together with the OS, otherwise it'll end up as a one horse race and the likes of HTC will end up with the largest slice of the market.

I don't expect to see any proper froyo for SSGS in the near future.
However Samsung should at least release the official GPS fix within this September since this problem is already a know issue for a long time and they can have separate development between this and the froyo one.

the galaxy s line is selling very well, so i'd guess that they can not afford to let us standing in the rain when comparable htc/motorola devices get gingerbread. as to the froyo update: i hope they take their time to improve speed and fix the remaining bugs. at least for us 'power-users' (flashers) it would be preferable that they release an official froyo firmware (INCLUDING the SOURCE -> voodoo fix) but improve it further over the next month or 2...

NoDo - second half of March

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/03/09/official-nodo-coming-out-in-the-second-half-of-march/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=985084&page=12

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Yeah dude... it's so easy to find post 118 of that thread. The OP was right in posting this as it's own thread.

..........

I've bookmarked that link for those who, in a months time, insist on claiming there was never any set time frame. I should have done this with all of the other claims.
And if the page is somehow removed, I've copied it to paint.

MartyLK said:
I've bookmarked that link for those who, in a months time, insist on claiming there was never any set time frame. I should have done this with all of the other claims.
And if the page is somehow removed, I've copied it to paint.
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Eh, there never was an official announcement that showed anything before March but at this point I'm not defending Microsoft til they give reason. It's an amazing OS but if they're just going to string people along then it's definitely losing ground in my book.

z33dev33l said:
Eh, there never was an official announcement that showed anything before March but at this point I'm not defending Microsoft til they give reason. It's an amazing OS but if they're just going to string people along then it's definitely losing ground in my book.
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That's how I feel. But rationally thinking, why would a company handle business this way? It makes me think they are trying to iron out something completely unexpected; trying to capitalize on a sudden resource. I think once they finally do get past the first big update, things will go smoother and faster from then on. There's no rationality to a consumer oriented company (a company making efforts to be consumer oriented) putting off its customer base. There has to be a good reason for how things are going.
Maybe MS has its hands full of the carriers. Maybe the carriers are so badly locking down MS that they can't organize well enough. Too bad MS doesn't go with a single hardware market system and run with that. They would have complete control over the whole system, much like Apple does with the iPhone. Not saying it will happen, but speculatively speaking, MS just might be headed in that direction. If the carriers are, in fact, causing all the problems, MS might just get to a point where they will have had enough and discontinue multiple hardware support and focus on one specific handset...of their choosing. Then the carriers will get taught a valuable lesson.

90 days after CES, the date is right on time.

Windows Phone 7 is good OS but it is loosing grip because of the slow update... Same happened with Windows Mobile... Seems like M$ didn't learn from it... Well let's See how well M$ can keep up with the Android and IOS.... The Update that was supposed to released in Jan is Coming is End of March.... Such an Embarrassment......
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rajivshahi said:
Windows Phone 7 is good OS but it is loosing grip because of the slow update... Same happened with Windows Mobile... Seems like M$ didn't learn from it... Well let's See how well M$ can keep up with the Android and IOS.... The Update that was supposed to released in Jan is Coming is End of March.... Such an Embarrassment......
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for the hundredth time no one at Microsoft said anything about January.

z33dev33l said:
for the hundredth time no one at Microsoft said anything about January.
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For the 100th time; Yes they did.

Yeah they actually did, they orginally said Jan/Feb.

EDDS said:
Yeah they actually did, they orginally said Jan/Feb.
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No, they didn't. The assumption was made because there was a webpage hosted that had "january_update" in the URL. Assumptions were then made.

They honestly did, I remember seing it directly from a microsoft employee, not some crappy little website.

EDDS said:
They honestly did, I remember seing it directly from a microsoft employee, not some crappy little website.
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Yeah, please do show some proof because I'm quite certain if that was the case it would've come up on some tech blog. All of which ive been following daily since months before the initial release of WP7. Microsoft made no official announcement aside from "Early 2011." From there they went on to say "The first 2 weeks of March." Finally we come to where we're at today.

It was supposed to have been released on the 7th, but was pulled - yet again. The latest date I have is the 22nd.
What irks me is that this update is still the same old build that's been ready for deployment since January.

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It was supposed to have been released on the 7th, but was pulled - yet again. The latest date I have is the 22nd.
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Where are you getting this information?

z33 is correct. Microsoft's only official announcment about the first update was Q1 2011. Which doesn't end until March 31st.
There were several rumors from various tech blogs about January and then February but nowhere has an official MS announcement been made on an exact day and/or time.
I've also been following about 10 or so tech blogs since about December.

it was always Q1 for the nodo and Q3 for the mango.... MS never give out dates... no one will give out dates for the updates come on...

emigrating said:
It was supposed to have been released on the 7th, but was pulled - yet again. The latest date I have is the 22nd.
What irks me is that this update is still the same old build that's been ready for deployment since January.
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And then when it comes out and has problems everyone will be crying about why they didn't beta test it more. Just relax people I want the update too but not enough to whine about it on the net. Just sayin'..

Android 4.4, KitKat !

Hello,
Has anybody seen the announcement ?
http://www.android.com/kitkat/
The next version of Android 4.4 shall be named KitKat, and it has already its own statue in front of Android building !
What are your thoughts on this ? After the Nokia thing, mobile world has gone nuts today

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It seems that Key Lime Pie was not the favorite dessert for Google.

It's our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody.
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So basically they say: We want to make sure Android has an amazing experience on all devices.
AKA: Performance optimization, less RAM usage by system, faster app loading. At least, that's what I guess

so, what are the odds of the Gnex getting this? even with the possible performance optimization.

Does the fact Google didn't jump a full version number bode well for us nexus folk?
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It's our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody.
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if I get this correctly, Google is working on something that would be available for all, or at least for the majority of devices? How can this possibly take place? Is Google trying to establish one version of its own OS for all, same as the iOS goes for all iphones, and then evolve that? Maybe with some small code changes for different type of phones? Kinda confusing statement but I guess its good news. Boy, I can see how the upcoming update will put XDA forums on fire. And definately this is going live by the end of this year.
PS: Judging by the name Google must have paid a great amount of money as using a name/brand of chocolate that popular is a great deal.

Android 4.4 should use Google's 4.8 toolchain! :good:

where is the OTA ?!?
That's the next question for the next days

And mad props for google in breaking the main news of the day.
Microsoft: "Hey, we bought nokia for € 5Mi"
Media: "Who cares, we have a new android to cover"

itasoulas said:
PS: Judging by the name Google must have paid a great amount of money as using a name/brand of chocolate that popular is a great deal.
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apparently, google went to nestle (or who ever makes KitKats) and they reached a "no money changed hands" deal in 24 hours.
its a good deal for both IMO.
google would have to pay for the kitKat name, KitKat gets free advertising, everyone is happy with no money.
I think google just wanted the name, and it happened to work out that KitKat was OK with that and happy for the advertising.
i would personally never buy a KitKat, but now that i have a chance to win something android, i am going to be buying up the stores

I wouldn't put much stock into the "available to everybody" phrase on the KitKat Android page.
The closest we've had is the slow trickle of apps being unpaired from the system core and launched on Google Play instead.
That's assuming we're even talking about software, that line is so vague it could mean anything (and possibly nothing, just marketing talk due to the 1 billion device activations).

for me what matters is "an amazing Android experience", I think something about a better user interface probably
in my opinion it's still not sure if we get it or not
Ps: on the bottom of the page it says: "Sign up to learn more when we launch the release", so it's not going to launch soon..1-2 months?
Pps: http://kitkat.com/ website is down, too much visits probably, they are having a break

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so it's not going to launch soon..1-2 months?
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Yeah, Most likely October-November. Thats when Jelly Bean was released last year.

itasoulas said:
PS: Judging by the name Google must have paid a great amount of money as using a name/brand of chocolate that popular is a great deal.
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I think Kitkat paid a whole lot of money, it's the best advertisement they can get. Allways in the users eye.
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12alex21 said:
I think Kitkat paid a whole lot of money, it's the best advertisement they can get. Allways in the users eye.
Sent from my potato
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Apparently, neither one of them spent money on the deal. Its just free advertising for both parties.

Oh and some more info about Android KitKat http://kitkat.com/
Aaaaand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKOrkLxOBoY#t=21

Anthropostar said:
Oh and some more info about Android KitKat http://kitkat.com/
Aaaaand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKOrkLxOBoY#t=21
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That website is interesting. I know they are playing with the idea of the KitKat having a whole phone spec thing. But I wonder how much of that could be little hints to what is coming with android. We all know how Google likes to tease and play with our minds.

itasoulas said:
if I get this correctly, Google is working on something that would be available for all, or at least for the majority of devices? How can this possibly take place? Is Google trying to establish one version of its own OS for all, same as the iOS goes for all iphones, and then evolve that? Maybe with some small code changes for different type of phones? Kinda confusing statement but I guess its good news. Boy, I can see how the upcoming update will put XDA forums on fire. And definately this is going live by the end of this year.
PS: Judging by the name Google must have paid a great amount of money as using a name/brand of chocolate that popular is a great deal.
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Google and Nestle didn't pay anything to each other...they just being friendly.

Nexus 5 http://oi39.tinypic.com/1zwjcx3.jpg

[DISCUSSION] Android 4.4 KitKat !!!

http://www.android.com/kitkat/index.html
What are your thoughts on this ?
and on the website of Nestlé: http://www.nestle.com/media/newsandf...android-kitkat
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Couldn't be less interested...
Nothing to do with the ZL - this should be in the Android General forum.

Beak me off a piece of that KitKat bar yo!
In all seriousness, all we know is a name so far. There are rumors under the key lime pie codename but that's it. We won't be seeing an official ROM from Sony on the ZL until Q4 2014 or even H1 2015. We will be lucky if we have 4.3 officially by the end of the year.
Saying all that. The version numbers aren't very important now that Google has separated most of their services from their OS. In a way that is very good because we get most of the latest features that gets rolled out with the various gapps updates without having to wait for the features to be updated with the ROM.
Since I like to rock it stock, I am looking forward to an official 4.3 release for our phone to have native TRIM support.
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demonicjas said:
http://www.android.com/kitkat/index.html
What are your thoughts on this ?
and on the website of Nestlé: http://www.nestle.com/media/newsandf...android-kitkat
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I'm pretty unhappy at the idea of a release of an operating system for my phone being free promotion for another company.. particularly one like Nestlé. It's unnecessary and inappropriate, imho.

Ya the promotion is totally unnecessary..
Let's see what this update brings..
And yeah we might only see this next year for our devices.. I wonder if officially though
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Google hit a point where there's no more innovation. It used to be every time an Android update hit, massive sweeping changes were implemented that completely changed the experience. Now, we're lucky if it's smoother or better battery life.
I keep hoping they will announce 5.0, but even then I have to wonder exactly what they would have as a feature to make you go "WOW!"

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Google hit a point where there's no more innovation. It used to be every time an Android update hit, massive sweeping changes were implemented that completely changed the experience. Now, we're lucky if it's smoother or better battery life.
I keep hoping they will announce 5.0, but even then I have to wonder exactly what they would have as a feature to make you go "WOW!"
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I'd be happy with better battery life!

I don't see the problem with the cross promotion. It came out of a Google engineer's genuine enjoyment of the confection that resulted in a friendly promotional deal that benefited both parties without money changing hands. This is a rarity in business.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23926938
As for innovation, I don't think we will see anything major for a little while. The core experience had made a huge leap with the introduction of Android 4.0. Google has been introducing small changes that, as a user, I wouldn't have known about if I didn't keep up with tech news. For the most part, technical changes to the OS can really be mostly appreciated by the developers and those of use that care about technical details. Most users are given updates and innovations in the form of updated Google apps and services which Google has been separating from the underlying OS. In the cases where we don't like things that Google provides, we have the great developers here who help us make the most of what we want; the way we want it. ArsTechnica did a pretty good writeup if you want to read it.
Article: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/

needmoregigs said:
I don't see the problem with the cross promotion. It came out of a Google engineer's genuine enjoyment of the confection that resulted in a friendly promotional deal that benefited both parties without money changing hands. This is a rarity in business.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23926938
As for innovation, I don't think we will see anything major for a little while. The core experience had made a huge leap with the introduction of Android 4.0. Google has been introducing small changes that, as a user, I wouldn't have known about if I didn't keep up with tech news. For the most part, technical changes to the OS can really be mostly appreciated by the developers and those of use that care about technical details. Most users are given updates and innovations in the form of updated Google apps and services which Google has been separating from the underlying OS. In the cases where we don't like things that Google provides, we have the great developers here who help us make the most of what we want; the way we want it. ArsTechnica did a pretty good writeup if you want to read it.
Article: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/
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oh that i did not know that ..
nice

needmoregigs said:
I don't see the problem with the cross promotion. It came out of a Google engineer's genuine enjoyment of the confection that resulted in a friendly promotional deal that benefited both parties without money changing hands. This is a rarity in business.
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It's still business, and Nestle benefits from it greatly. Nestle are a company with a very, very dirty history and if I wanted to support them, I'd buy their products - which I don't. Ever. This deal gives free advertising to them and their products and if I want the latest version of Android, I do not have a choice but to buy into that. If the Google engineer enjoys that confection, he should go out and buy a ton of it with his salary and that should be the end of it having anything to do with Android.

where are can found it?

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where are can found it?
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Que hora es?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WckCw_-7e3M

Question Pixel watch 2022, thoughts.

Just popped up on Google feed there for me, this is what iv been wanting a full pixel eco system, having G assist on a watch would be like perfect!
What's your thoughts and expectations on this?
If there's another thread for this my bad

Since they dropped almost every new device because of the chip shortage, I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I remember 9to5 making a lot of news about the Pixel Fold, only to have other Tech sites 3 weeks later claim that it's a dead product for now.

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Since they dropped almost every new device because of the chip shortage, I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I remember 9to5 making a lot of news about the Pixel Fold, only to have other Tech sites 3 weeks later claim that it's a dead product for now.
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I think they might go for it considering the amount of pixels they are selling atm it only makes sense for them to now have an eco system for it, they already have there own operating system for it wearos, so I hope they do

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Knowing Google, it'll come out just after my credit for buying the p6p expires

Would be nice, but Don't hold your breath
Google collaborated with Samsung on the Galaxy 4 Wear os watch series...

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Just popped up on Google feed there for me, this is what iv been wanting a full pixel eco system, having G assist on a watch would be like perfect!
What's your thoughts and expectations on this?
If there's another thread for this my bad
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1) I run google free. The presence of the "assistant" was the part of the google spyware system that finally convinced me that it was time to get rid of it all. You should be very cautious about allowing anyone to spy on you. Read some George Orwell -- what they are ACTUALLY doing now was at that time seen as an unbelievable overstep.
2) I stopped wearing watches when I got my first cell phone. Why do I need to carry two things that do the same thing? The phone is a lot more convenient since it has a much bigger screen.
The whole idea of a "smart watch" is a gimmick. Don't fall into it.

Google might get into the smart watch game to compete with Apple and Samsung. I mean, it is logical. It is a good move to get into that market. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple starts making electric cars.

Oh good...another half baked device.

As long as I can sideload the Google Assistant to my Galaxy Watch 4 Classic I'd be happy
Maybe find an app that can rebind my HW Keys to replace Bixby too

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I wouldn't be surprised if Apple starts making electric cars.
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That would be very frightening. They are not good at things that are complicated. If it happens, I'll be trying to come up with some means of detecting them (i.e. 360 degree visual) and alerting me when one is getting close so I can keep well clear of it.

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That would be very frightening. They are not good at things that are complicated. If it happens, I'll be trying to come up with some means of detecting them (i.e. 360 degree visual) and alerting me when one is getting close so I can keep well clear of it.
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True. But it has been reported that at least 5,000 employees are currently working on the project code name Titan, as of 2018. Willing to take the risk to overtake Tesla

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I wish people could figure out that electric cars are not as "environmentally responsible" as they're made out to be. The reason Musk makes them comes down exclusively to the fact that you can't run an internal combustion engine on Mars. Tesla is a hell of an R&D lab for that.