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BREAKING NEWS: AT&T Versions of Rhodium & Topaz Confirmed!!!

According to Engadget Mobile, AT&T will have its own versions of the Touch Pro2 and Diamond2. Some old, leaked documents indicate that these devices will come to AT&T (soon!):
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This is a leaked, most likely internal, document that summarizes its features, specs, selling points, etc. Unfortunately, as expected, AT&T butchered the keyboard from the original offset keyboard, which is a huge selling point for this device. Head on over to Engadget to read the full story. See the photographs here. Notice the "WM 7.X refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date", it seems that this device will be upgradeable to WM7.x, although I doubt it will come in September, considering the amount of delay they've had with WM7 so far. And although it might be the proximity sensor, there also appears to be a camera on the front of the device.
One point that the article makes is that the "Fortress" will most likely NOT be released on the 25th of May according to the documents, but will probably be released later, because these documents are old and most likely outdated in terms of ETA to the network. 'Tis a very exciting day for AT&T subscribers everywhere!
Dave
PS: If this is old news, or has been posted already, please feel free to take this post down, Mods. Thanks.

I'm an ATT man, and it looks like I'll be shopping for something unlocked.

I just saw this on a twitter post from pocketnow.com and it really made my day!! I don't know if I'm digging the red keyboard. and the offset keyboard is really completely gone huh..that was a major selling point for me. but it's ok I guess. I'm still gonna get the phone.
so it'll get the 6.5 upgrade AND the 7.x upgrade when it comes out?? sorry if it's a common sense question I just wanna make sure.

Probably same here, but it's still big news for a lot of people.
Besides, since this supports AT&T's networks, it most likely means that there will be an AT&T compatible unlocked version from HTC, which I had been doubting would come.
@poppinpengawen: Nobody really knows for sure when, but the most likely answer, according to this, is yes. Besides, even if not, that's practically the reason why cooked ROMs were made.
Dave

haha yea, you make a good point. I'm sure that the cooked roms will end up being better than the actual upgrades offered thru AT&T/HTC. but at least we know that it'll be upgradeable to the new versions of WM, even without a cooked ROM [:

I knew ATT would mess up the phone, but never thought theyd mess it up THAT badly. I'm sticking with getting an unlocked, offset keyboard version.. that one looks horrible.
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Whatever, Id rather have a GSM F'd up Touch Pro2 than some jank CDMA Touch Pro that I cant use overseas.
Honestly, I dont care that AT&T changed the keyboard, because unlike Verizon, they actually dont physically weaken their phones. That plus GSM makes AT&T the best US carrier.

Why unlocked?

DrawnToScale said:
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because of the keyboard choice

hmmm I'd wanna get an unlocked one too as long as it supports the AT&T 3G bands. but I think I'm just gonna stick with the AT&T subsidized version. gotta save money I guess.. /:

uhh.... Why have the Y and the Z key changed places?
Also, the keyboard doesn't look so good compared to the unlocked version.

Very interesting point, I hadn't noticed that before. A little Wikipedia-ing led me to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ. It explains that this keyboard configuration is used in Central, Eastern, and German speaking parts of europe. I'm not entirely sure what this means, but it's really weird, that's for sure.
Dave

http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=7454
the post talks about the switching too. the device pictured isn't even branded for AT&T, so it could be any other HTC device. maybe the keyboard won't be as bad then huh?

No, the keyboard will probably be worse than this if these aren't real. You'll probably have to crank some crank on the side of the phone 100 times before you can use it, or the letters will spontaniously re-arrange themselves randomly every 10 minutes. AT&T always, ALWAYS, ruins the keyboards.
Dave

I hope its before july
I really hope it come out soooner than later, no later than the end june. Just watch it will be in the chistmas rush November Decenber.

poppinpengawen said:
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=7454
the post talks about the switching too. the device pictured isn't even branded for AT&T, so it could be any other HTC device. maybe the keyboard won't be as bad then huh?
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I agree with Dave. If this isn't it, it will probably be worse.

Has any one seen anything from the FCC or, does a standard HTC GSM unit qualify the Att unit.

With CDMA and GSM support it looks like Sprint is still the carrier to beat for this device. I would add the keyboard configuration as another reason, but it's looking more and more like the keyboard won't look like this. Not only are there mistakes in the layout, but zooming in on it it doesn't even look like those are real keys. The whole thing looks like a Photoshop project to me.
I don't see in the specs that a front facing camera is included but is shown in the picture. This also makes me think this is not representative of what ATT will actually release.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/05/htc-fortress-slide.jpg
in that pic is states 5 row qwerty keyboard. maybe the pic of the phone is just a render and not final?

the ad also says its only 16mm thick, but the touch pro 2 is supposed to be 17.3 mm thick. that would be awesome if they made it thinner.

Do we need to cancel our order???

Samsung 4", SUPER AMOLED, 1GHz Android Phone!
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I want SUPER AMOLED and 4" screen!!!!!
I guess, I will use HTC Desire for a while ... I cannot keep waiting and waiting for new device!
From Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/samsung-announces-galaxy-s-android-smartphone/

Would pick HTC over Samsung anyday..
Really is a shame - from seeing the pictures.. They're essentially copying the iPhone UI - with a little bit of Sense aswell..
Can't see myself wanting this at all - only when HTC release the Supersonic will i want something more than the HTC Desire.

Samsung also wants to get sued by Apple.
Seriously though, there are just so many ways to make a sensible user interface. I agree that the bottom four icons look strangely familiarly places, but they are probably exchangeable. Which the icons on iPhone are not, if I'm not mistaking?

Nah I want desire more then this one. I hate the touchwiz interfaces from samsung they never were good in my opinion. Also I really don''t like the look of most samsung devices. They look a bit cheap to me.

If u live in the US then cancel your order now!! Not because of the Samsung phone, but because of this!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-is-sprints-android-powered-knight-in-superphone-armo/

like the HD2 4.3" is too big for a phone

Yeah it might look shiny and nice, but don't be fooled.. ;?D
Here's some reason I don't like it:
1. It's a Samsung. They have many great products in many categories, but phones? Nah.. "My" experience with samsung phones (Haven't own one, but friends and family have..) is that you shouldn't expect the best build quality and even if the UI has its pros, the cons will nag you.. Forever! ;?P
2. I think the UI looks a lot (a lot!) like the UI on the IPhone (They must have looked once or twice on the IPhone) with some "extra quirks". And frankly that isn't a good thing.
( - We need a new ui for our Android-phone. - HTC sense is sooo done! - Oh, I know!! Lets copy the [ridiculously] popular IPhone, that should be a good selling point..)
Aim for the Evo 4g instead (or settle with the Desire ;?D )

Just for fun.. tweetphoto.com/15554598

wankingweiner said:
If u live in the US then cancel your order now!! Not because of the Samsung phone, but because of this!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-is-sprints-android-powered-knight-in-superphone-armo/
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Um...maybe if the handset was GSM. It is going to a CDMA carrier (Sprint). Hate to say it, but I think I will just wait it out for the Desire.
Here is a comparison of the 2
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-vs-hd2-and-desire-fight/

The HTC Evo 4G is a beast of a device, but if you're not on sprint there's no point.
Also keep in mind that the Desire has more RAM (576 vs 512) and an AMOLED screen.
The Samsung is a sad excuse for a superphone, that filthy skin makes it look like a dumbphone OS. Not to mention you won't have the strong community support that HTC devices do.

chambo622 said:
The Samsung is a sad excuse for a superphone, that filthy skin makes it look like a dumbphone OS. Not to mention you won't have the strong community support that HTC devices do.
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Got to admit that the UI and even the one button in the middle of the phone looks awfully familiar. Can anyone say...iPhone

redrazr7791 said:
Got to admit that the UI and even the one button in the middle of the phone looks awfully familiar. Can anyone say...iPhone
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the icons were the 1st thing reminding me of the iphone

Galaxy S is a just another example of a great hardware ruined with the crap Samsung customization. I really like the huge Super AMOLED screen (actually it is amazing) + 1GHz CPU, but this pitiful copy of the iPhone's UI is simply disgusting, especially when the stock Android is excellent on itself. They simply shouldn't touch it.
And in addition, I still remember how Samsung abandoned their i7500 customers with refusing to release future OS updates for this handset. Personally, I'm going to stay away from Samsung's phones in the future.

After a long night and good sleep, I made up my mind
I will keep HTC Desire Because I cannot stand the Samsung Galaxy S iPhoneness look.
And I have a strong feeling that HTC is keeping a secret superphone with better specs.
Probably: 1.5GHz Snapdragon, 4+" AMOLED screen, 1080p HD recording, TV-out
Why? Because in June, there will be iPhone 4G announcement.
And HTC will use that secret superphone to out-done iPhone 4G.
At least, I will do that if I am HTC, I must have a strategy to stay on top. They don't need to rush another superphone, they have already quite some superphones ... our beloved HTC Desire. If this happen, it would be another 1 year to replace HTC Desire ... not bad eh? Now I am happy.
HTC Evo? Nah, CDMA is useless in Europe, at least in my country.

Agree with the first post.
Much talk about getting the next and the next and the next phone.
Even if you say:
"-Ill go for the new samsung" or whatever, there will always be
a new phone in the pipe-line with a better spec.
You'll be dead before even getting a phone that way.
Desire is a super nice phone.
Right size, and right look if you ask me.

Tired of people who have no idea what they're talking about being publicized?

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I mean really, that product of incest Dvorak who has been proven wrong time and time again is out to get another OS. I mean as many times as he's been wrong you could call it a good omen that he thinks WP7 will fail. You know, just like the iphone did? Not to mention the fact that none of these people are WP7 users and yet they feel obligated to argue the facts. None of them seem to know much about the phone other than "Ooh, it's a smooth UI." or *shudder* "It's just an iphone ripoff." It's a shame that they can't put real WP7 users on these radio shows to really talk about the benefits of the OS and because of that all people hear is the negatives. WP7 is the Cinderella OS as queer as that may sound. It's two ugly competitors that have lost any real drive because they're already swimming in cash and anything else is just excess. Then there's the OS that has more to offer, looks better, and is just waiting for it's time to shine. As someone who was just a few months ago an android fanboy the best change I've made recently was to a new phone OS. WP7 is just amazing and sadly unrecognised.

Why hate Galaxy S?

Get Mom to make you a hot chocolate and tuck you into bed, you'll feel much better after a good nights sleep.

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Samsung put a terribly slow interface over an already laggy OS causing extreme slowdowns. Not to mention the T-mobile variation feels unbelievably cheap. Sure with a number of fixes you can make it run remotely decent but even after all that it's not too great a device.

gerryjoson said:
Get Mom to make you a hot chocolate and tuck you into bed, you'll feel much better after a good nights sleep.
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It's so adorable when people who are terrible at trolling attempt it.

z33dev33l said:
Samsung put a terribly slow interface over an already laggy OS causing extreme slowdowns. Not to mention the T-mobile variation feels unbelievably cheap. Sure with a number of fixes you can make it run remotely decent but even after all that it's not too great a device.
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TouchWiz is generally not a bad idea, just too iOS... the notification toggles are good designs.
I agree that the launcher was bad, I always replace it.
Galaxy S is a great device on hardware, Hummingbird, quadband WCDMA, best NAND, BlueTooth3.0, decent GPS chip (however functioning terrible)... Also the international version i9000 do have timely updates.
On late version TW performs better.
So I would blame US carriers for destorying the performance of GS. I've been running i9000 ROMs on my Captivate for months and never went back to i897ROMs. Well, my SIM is in my Focus now

amtrakcn said:
TouchWiz is generally not a bad idea, just too iOS... the notification toggles are good designs.
I agree that the launcher was bad, I always replace it.
Galaxy S is a great device on hardware, Hummingbird, quadband WCDMA, best NAND, BlueTooth3.0, decent GPS chip (however functioning terrible)... Also the international version i9000 do have timely updates.
On late version TW performs better.
So I would blame US carriers for destorying the performance of GS. I've been running i9000 ROMs on my Captivate for months and never went back to i897ROMs. Well, my SIM is in my Focus now
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Once you've gone WP7 having to flash roms and stuff just to make your device functional is rather tedious and boring. The captivate while my wife had it did run smoother than the Vibrant but still nowhere near a WP7 device. I still found my G1 running 2.1 runs faster than anything using touchwiz. and thats almost depressing. I don't see why carriers are blamed.

z33dev33l said:
Once you've gone WP7 having to flash roms and stuff just to make your device functional is rather tedious and boring. The captivate while my wife had it did run smoother than the Vibrant but still nowhere near a WP7 device. I still found my G1 running 2.1 runs faster than anything using touchwiz. and thats almost depressing. I don't see why carriers are blamed.
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That's why my SIM is in Focus now. Also better Battery life.
For GS, just dont use the TW launcher, that's really laggy.
ROMs of US variants update much much slower than other parts of the world. The latest official AT&T Captivate ROM is still on 2.1, while the Canadian Captivate is on 2.2 and Chinese version has official 2.2.1 (Significant bug-fix to 2.2) running. If it's not AT&T, who should be responsible for the difference?
Sorry for messing up your post...

amtrakcn said:
That's why my SIM is in Focus now. Also better Battery life.
For GS, just dont use the TW launcher, that's really laggy.
ROMs of US variants update much much slower than other parts of the world. The latest official AT&T Captivate ROM is still on 2.1, while the Canadian Captivate is on 2.2 and Chinese version has official 2.2.1 (Significant bug-fix to 2.2) running. If it's not AT&T, who should be responsible for the difference?
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The consumers. The Vibrant was updated not because ours was the most sold (T-mobile is like the bottom of the big 4 and has a vibrant 2 coming out soon) but because we griped and complained and rode T-mobile/Samsung enough. I hate to say it but a number of people who got the captivate were previous iphoners which for the most part are not very bright (Not being mean just a fact) They don't care what version of what they have as long as they can play angry birds and text. I think it's heavily on the consumers.

looks at title...
looks at replies...
Ok, off topic here
Here is the video of him bashing WP7 although Veronica had the right idea and debated him all the way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucbt_q4uq20&feature=player_embedded

mike21pr said:
looks at title...
looks at replies...
Ok, off topic here
Here is the video of him bashing WP7 although Veronica had the right idea and debated him all the way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucbt_q4uq20&feature=player_embedded
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Well, just like the title and the replies are saying. Dvorak doesn't know **** about what he talks about. This guy is a pure disgrace to the tech world.

Started having doubts on my purchase.....

So, I've been reading so much on the charge and thunderbolt. With regards to the 4g and started feeling like I made the wrong choice. Well, i popped in the Verizon store to see these two phones and found the Charge felt very cheaply made. The Home buttons felt very "loose". Also did a small test with the speed and my dinc2 was barely slower than the 4g bolt on loading websites. I do like the feel of the bolt, as it's very similar to the Dinc2 screen and software. Long story short my after playing with all 3 phone, I feel very comfortable with my choice. The 4g as I saw it doesn't save much time at all with regard to web surfing. That could all change in time though lol.
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me too...I really need wireless tether and netflix....only reason I got this phone to replace my inc1 was for the global since I'm out of the country often

I have to admit, I have not yet once doubted the purchase of the DINC2.
The TB didn't interest me because of some of the issues it had. I did briefly contemplate the Casio G'Zone (or whatever it's called). And I've sworn up and down there was no way in hell I'd ever buy another Samsung phone, so that left the Charge out. Plus, I don't need 4G. So the DINC2 just made sense.
Yeah, I paid full price for it the day after it was released, but after nearly six months of the instability and bugs of the Droid 2 Global, it was an investment well worth it to get a stable phone.
Love my Droid Incredible 2...with or without root.

The Charge buttons were ridiculous. Very big and felt like they could fall off. It might be because it was a demo. If thunderbolt didn't have all the issues, i would definitely want it. I feel better after going in and trying the other phones out, since buying the Dinc2 was a bit of a whim
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I love my Dinc2 its my first smart phone and i'm in love with it. Although i am a little hesitant about not being on the 4g network. The things i'm reading about the TB Charge and Revo make me wanna stay with the Dinc2 plus it was 50$ cheaper and I didn't have the extra money at that time. Just afraid in the two years i'm contracted to it i'll regret not being able to use 4g.

applejacks108 said:
I love my Dinc2 its my first smart phone and i'm in love with it. Although i am a little hesitant about not being on the 4g network. The things i'm reading about the TB Charge and Revo make me wanna stay with the Dinc2 plus it was 50$ cheaper and I didn't have the extra money at that time. Just afraid in the two years i'm contracted to it i'll regret not being able to use 4g.
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One of the bigger reasons that I didn't go 4G/LTE is my concerns about reliability on that network still. 3G is still rock solid.

I guess I still don't understand why people need/want [email protected]/s over [email protected]/s? What do you do on your phone that would need anything over 2MB/s?

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I guess I still don't understand why people need/want [email protected]/s over [email protected]/s? What do you do on your phone that would need anything over 2MB/s?
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I could see it from a tethering perspective. Beyond that, everything I've bothered to stream has usually streamed just fine over 3G.

sixteen2nd said:
I guess I still don't understand why people need/want [email protected]/s over [email protected]/s? What do you do on your phone that would need anything over 2MB/s?
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Good question. Tethering is an obvious answer, but with Verizon cracking down hard on tethering, I'm staying with 3G.
LTE is still very much in its infancy. I'd rather have better battery life.
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Yes, 2mbit is realistic.
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The only reason I'd want 4G is for tethering. Still, I've tethered with my Eris and didn't feel like it was terrible speed. Using the internet on my I2 has been significantly better than my Eris simply because the device itself is faster. My roommate still has his Sprint Hero (equivalent to the Eris) and watching us browse websites shows completely night and day differences in experience. The 3G didn't slow me down on my Eris, the hardware did.

Verizon is going to have issues in some area's anyway. My area has some older switches and won't see 4G for quite some time, and it's the 2nd biggest city in Illinois. I'm opting for the Dinc2 as soon as the bootloader situation gets figured out. I'll hold off for a 2nd gen 4g chip that doesn't make the phone bulky and drain batteries to death.

I had a T-bolt and returned it after 14 days. It was fine in Mexico where I had limited data access, but as soon as I got to the US and it got within range of 3G or 4G, the battery drained far too quickly. I got 30+MB/s at one point (RDU airport, terminal A), but most places were in the 20+MB/s range, like Detroit and a couple of other places that I forget.
I returned it for an iPhone4, which is not a bad phone (aside from having to deal with Apple and the idiotic form/function design issues), and gets great battery life. After three weeks I got assigned to Bahrain support duty, so I eBay'd the iPhone for $515 picked up a Dinc2 as a global phone because I had a Dinc1 for a while and really liked it. So far it hasn't been bad. I did the temp-root/bloat-freeze to get rid of the most annoying stuff and loaded AWD Launcher to get the screen like I want it, as well as a Seidio 1750 battery for a bit more usage time.
I'd really like to have more ROM options like my Dinc1, and if I wasn't assigned to a global support role I'd probably go back to the Dinc1, but the Dinc2 is a decent phone.

Is anyone getting the HTC one?

I think that there is a quad core HTC one s coming out for the Tmobile line of phones. Anyone getting it, more undoubtedly there is an gs blaze being released add an addition to the galaxy s series of phones which is a hype looking at how we already have an original s and s2 all this does is make the galaxy s team further.
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Not a quad core......
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not with the S3 right around the corner

alleyezondisromo said:
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Do you really want to stay on the samsung boat? Android 5.0 is going to be launched this year, and youll have to wait 4+ months for an update again. When i jump shop, its to a phone with a running non-beta CM9. Its clear this phone has nothing in terms of CM and waiting till summer for ICS is simply pathetic on Samsungs part.

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Do you really want to stay on the samsung boat? Android 5.0 is going to be launched this year, and youll have to wait 4+ months for an update again. When i jump shop, its to a phone with a running non-beta CM9. Its clear this phone has nothing in terms of CM and waiting till summer for ICS is simply pathetic on Samsungs part.
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That's what I'm saying. This will probably be my last carrier subsidized phone period. Waiting on Samsung and then waiting on the carrier is a joke. This phone has been a big disappointment. I like the phone, but its like the red headed step child of the galaxy phones. This along with the skyrocket. I stopped waiting on ICS a while ago. Samsung is so hush mouth about updates. Makes you think they will do anything to get you to buy another phone. No thanks Sammy.
When we finally get ICS it will be dated and the next best thing will be out. By then the gsII will be yesterdays news. Google really needs to be more like Apple with updates. They are starting to leave a bad taste for me. This may sound like a rant but its true.

iwasblown said:
I think that there is a quad core HTC one s coming out for the Tmobile line of phones. Anyone getting it, more undoubtedly there is an gs blaze being released add an addition to the galaxy s series of phones which is a hype looking at how we already have an original s and s2 all this does is make the galaxy s team further.
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The HTC one S seems like a small downgrade of the amaze....like the blaze is a downgrade of the s2
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i wouldn't go HTC until they go back to making quality phones. They went downhill lately with crappy battery life and cheap lcd displays. just like how samsung had a slump until the gs2's got released

I'm looking at the Asus Padphone or the SGS3, depending on which one comes out with an AWS or Pentaband version.

The HTC one x is the one with the quad-core
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Mitallust said:
I'm looking at the Asus Padphone or the SGS3, depending on which one comes out with an AWS or Pentaband version.
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Asus has been quite good on updates with their current devices. If they keep that up id consider asus products in the future.
But at this point, im so sick of the android fragmentation that its either gonna be the google phone, or an iphone. Windows phones are starting to look more and more tempting to, specially with Windows 8 coming and whatever integration they have planned.
Even the google phones might get screwed on the CDMA side, and my carrier is CDMA only.
But its become quite clear that they havent finished ICS for the intl GSII, and probably havent started ours even. The CM team has nothing either. Have heard rumors that Cyanogen himself uses a T989 but i really doubt it, cause wed have an alpha at least.

Rekzer said:
Asus has been quite good on updates with their current devices. If they keep that up id consider asus products in the future.
But at this point, im so sick of the android fragmentation that its either gonna be the google phone, or an iphone. Windows phones are starting to look more and more tempting to, specially with Windows 8 coming and whatever integration they have planned.
Even the google phones might get screwed on the CDMA side, and my carrier is CDMA only.
But its become quite clear that they havent finished ICS for the intl GSII, and probably havent started ours even. The CM team has nothing either. Have heard rumors that Cyanogen himself uses a T989 but i really doubt it, cause wed have an alpha at least.
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Been using wp7. For the last two 1/2 months and although the apps aren't there yet, its been a refreshing change from all this ICS mess. Once T-Mobile comes out with a 4.3 or higher screen size, I will probably make a full switch.
I miss some of my apps and games though. Then again my ps3 takes care of the gaming issue. Wp7 runs so much smoother. Its nice to take a break from android.

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Been using wp7. For the last two 1/2 months and although the apps aren't there yet, its been a refreshing change from all this ICS mess. Once T-Mobile comes out with a 4.3 or higher screen size, I will probably make a full switch.
I miss some of my apps and games though. Then again my ps3 takes care of the gaming issue. Wp7 runs so much smoother. Its nice to take a break from android.
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Ya dude, with win8 tablets n all that coming, i think WP8 is my next upgrade when i think about it. MS/Nokia are making some high quality products.

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