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WP7 Today's Update "No Donuts"

Does anyone got the update on his device?
First Impressions? How long it took to install? Incompatibility Issues? Changes in system speed and stability?
Let's monitor this!
Here in Italy isn't yet arrived

It's supposed to come out today?

yeah, it was announced arriving the 07/02..... but till now nothing...

That's the rumor, the rumor was also like 9am, eastern time I believe
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the.rider1290 said:
yeah, it was announced arriving the 07/02..... but till now nothing...
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That was only a rumour. I wouldn't hold your breath for it being today

Source of rumor? I just unlocked my WP7 but it can go out the Windows if it means I get C&P and faster app launching.

by the way Microsoft assured that the will support homebrew applications in future updates, son no longer need to patch the phone...

Who knows if they'll actually follow through with it? I also doubt they'll start that initiative with this update. They got more important stuff to tend to first.

the.rider1290 said:
by the way Microsoft assured that the will support homebrew applications in future updates, son no longer need to patch the phone...
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No, they haven't.
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
Do no believe everything you read on the internet until you see this things -> " ", followed by a respected Microsoft employee's name.

Yeah the OP keeps throwing out false information, we might as well close that thread.
And no, the update was never "announced arriving the 07/02".

FiyaFleye said:
That's the rumor, the rumor was also like 9am, eastern time I believe
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It's 09:15, Bosnia, GMT+1, nothing yet...

Yep i also think its just a rumor. But if does turn out to be true and gets released, then hooray! Just dont hold your breath for it

if the rumors are right and they never are then 9am est is 2pm gmt so just over 5 hours. I wont hold my breath though. I hope it is right as i do get off work early on a Monday lol i'm more interested in the Nokia rumor as the wp7 is already perfect for me so i'm more interested in keeping its future alive as i don't want to go to iPhone or BB and Android is really more suited as a tablet os imho.

Peew971 said:
Yeah the OP keeps throwing out false information, we might as well close that thread.
And no, the update was never "announced arriving the 07/02".
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OK, it was rumored but usually they are attendible when they are not changed near the effective date.
>the OP keeps throwing out false information, we might as well close that thread.
Go back playing with Barbie, that post is still helpful

I hope that this will take place in April at least. Knowing MS, I don't expect for these days

Only update we've had was to the Dev Tools, and any dates posted have only been rumours and heresay.
Till an official annoucement, we wait...

the.rider1290 said:
Go back playing with Barbie
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Yeah that's mature, this is what XDA has become.

Peew971 said:
Yeah that's mature, this is what XDA has become.
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It become nothing of bad, if you take a look to my other posts I am just trying to help users that come here and want to experiment on their devices, that thread want just to be a place where to discuss about rumors and, if it will be released, to discuss about pros and cons about the first WP7 update.
Just don't go around asking to close threads if you don't share the content.
By the way, think we are a lot that hope for this update for speed and copy/paste, so....

the.rider1290 said:
that thread want just to be a place where to discuss about rumors and, if it will be released, to discuss about pros and cons about the first WP7 update.
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No you created that thread as a place to discuss the "officially released today" update, which it's not. Then you stated that Microsoft "assured they would support homebrew applications" which is also false, which is why I wrote my post.
But never mind, I'm going back to play with Barbie since I'm the immature one.
Ciao

Calm down ladies...enough cat fighting. Its all good. If it comes out today, awesome. If it doesn't, oh well.

Here's another opportunity to rant!!

So microsoft releasing their second online survey on the experience or lack of it on windows phone 7
So rather than ranting here it would be better to send the feedback to MS directly
So heres the link
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/480470/e01f3a84faf0

Sweet! Gave 'em a piece of me ol' mind.

MartyLK said:
Sweet! Gave 'em a piece of me ol' mind.
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Me too.
I'm fairly forgiving when it comes to Microsoft, but this takes the cake for sure. I urge everyone to rip'em a new one on this survey and I bet you we won't see a 90% plus satisfactory rating next time they release any numbers.

^ wanna make a bet on it

vetvito said:
^ wanna make a bet on it
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LOL
I actually don't think they would manufacture numbers. I am confident that the numbers they reported earlier were real. What will happen now is that they'll simply leave the satisfactory rating out of the press release

evolutionqy7 said:
So microsoft releasing their second online survey on the experience or lack of it on windows phone 7
So rather than ranting here it would be better to send the feedback to MS directly
So heres the link
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/480470/e01f3a84faf0
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You sure this a new one? The copyright date is 2010 and it has the same questions as the other one

bennyj71 said:
You sure this a new one? The copyright date is 2010 and it has the same questions as the other one
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Ah sure people discover new things over time. And it still contains what would you change and your favorite feature texts box
It has a few changes in it though

i personally don't even think this is an MS survey... wouldn't they use their own systems not some third party to take a survey?

The Gate Keeper said:
i personally don't even think this is an MS survey... wouldn't they use their own systems not some third party to take a survey?
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Nope, it's official. Been tweeted by various MSFT employes/teams for a while now. You should probably use this Uri though.

thanks for the link. Biggest gripe is the delays on the updates. When they announced wp7, they promised an aggressive update schedule that would get to all phones around the same time. Still no pre- nodo updates in the usa and apparently nodo has been finished by MS since december and still not released....
Other than that, I do love my phone, just give me the updates you have promised.
And how about updating IE separate of the OS so it doesn't get the carrier run around.

Is it survey from MS ?
If it from MS, here we go..

Did it......!

survey
I too, ragged about the updates.
I like the phone, but the updates need to come faster. Maybe that is what the ill-fated update to help the update process is supposed to be -- making things easier.
Let's hope so.
The real problem is these sites which incessantly get our hopes up because they want to one-up each other and get the "word" (which turns out to be poppycock) out and announce that they have learned (guessed, or completely fabricated is more like it) the actual update time. Then all us users hope its true and actually get pissed when it isn't.
They are all brainwashers! Believe none of them unless they refer to a Microsoft URL.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
-e

wp7dev007 said:
I too, ragged about the updates.
I like the phone, but the updates need to come faster. Maybe that is what the ill-fated update to help the update process is supposed to be -- making things easier.
Let's hope so.
The real problem is these sites which incessantly get our hopes up because they want to one-up each other and get the "word" (which turns out to be poppycock) out and announce that they have learned (guessed, or completely fabricated is more like it) the actual update time. Then all us users hope its true and actually get pissed when it isn't.
They are all brainwashers! Believe none of them unless they refer to a Microsoft URL.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
-e
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Remember the infamous link to the Microsoft URL referring to the "january update"? It's all based on real information.

In depth Mango preview on Engadget

Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/

zukа said:
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...

I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.

Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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domineus said:
q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.

I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist

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I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.

yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals

dtboos said:
That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.

After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.

RoboDad said:
still waiting for 7392 here
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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.

It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....

tiny17 said:
Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.

I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?

[News] Mango devices are going to be rolled out on September 1st?

http://www.wpcentral.com/mango-rollout-coming-september-1
Saw this article and also an article from HTC Vietnam
http://blog.htcsmartphone.com.vn/?p=1837 (use Google Translate if you want)
That mean, we can pick up new device on September 1st?
I can wait to renew my contract.
Sep 1st = Mango Release + Call of Duty XP
Sep 2st = Vietnamese Independence Day + Call of Duty XP
Too good for September.

I wouldn't count on seeing the update happen on Sept 1st. Microsoft is already saying that it won't release then and I cannot imagine the carriers have their crap together well enough to get ready for deployment by that time.

I would tend to agree, but it is also worth pointing out that Belfiore didn't actually say it wouldn't be released on the first. All he said is that it was a rumor (which means nothing more than it didn't come from an official Microsoft announcement). After all, when the first RTM announcement leaked, Microsoft was quick to say that it was also just a rumor, despite the fact that it was only 3 days away from actually happening.
I'm not trying to build up false hope, but at the same time, all we really have to go on is a rumor (that pocketlint believes to be credible) and a very vague response on Twitter.
As for carriers being ready, I just look back at NoDo. The HTC Arrive was ready to go a full month before most carriers had their upgrade testing completed for existing devices. If it means selling new hardware, rest assured they won't spin their wheels.

I am gonna have a new contract soon... do i have to buy a damn pre-paid simcard just to wait for new mango device?

Am I missing something here? At this point it is out of microsoft's hands right? Isnt it essentially up to the carriers when an update will be released?

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
Rumor continue.

don't quote the source of the first post as new info
then hunt around alittle more for this old news and see that joebelfiore says it just a rumor. (he is the corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management)
https://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore/status/101900748660555776

Strike_Eagle said:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
Rumor continue.
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belfiore debunked that...

domineus said:
belfiore debunked that...
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k i know what i want know, a pre-paid simcard , can't wait to have a new phone...
When will T-Mobile finish merging with AT&T then?

domineus said:
belfiore debunked that...
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You mean the same way they "debunked" the release of the Mango beta to developers? There was a blog post that said it was coming "this week" (meaning the week of the post), and Microsoft's "debunking" response was "nothing is happening this week". While that was true, the release did happen, the next week. Or is it like the "debunking" of the RTM of Mango, which was reported on a number of sites as happening "today" (meaning the day of the report), which Microsoft "debunked" as "it's not happening today". Again, their statement was true, but it didn't bother to mention the fact that it was going to happen just 3 days later.
So, forgive me if I take Joe's very cryptic, ambiguous "Sept 1? Just a rumor." comment as much of a debunking. Maybe it won't happen on the 1st. Maybe it will be announced on the 2nd, at IFA. Or maybe it won't happen until a few weeks later. Just about anything is possible at this point.

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You mean the same way they "debunked" the release of the Mango beta to developers? There was a blog post that said it was coming "this week" (meaning the week of the post), and Microsoft's "debunking" response was "nothing is happening this week". While that was true, the release did happen, the next week. Or is it like the "debunking" of the RTM of Mango, which was reported on a number of sites as happening "today" (meaning the day of the report), which Microsoft "debunked" as "it's not happening today". Again, their statement was true, but it didn't bother to mention the fact that it was going to happen just 3 days later.
So, forgive me if I take Joe's very cryptic, ambiguous "Sept 1? Just a rumor." comment as much of a debunking. Maybe it won't happen on the 1st. Maybe it will be announced on the 2nd, at IFA. Or maybe it won't happen until a few weeks later. Just about anything is possible at this point.
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It's not often Belfiore just openly states that it is just a rumor. Heck he posts windows phone, but not often to say whether something is valid or not. That's more of Brandon's schtick. Whether its one day or next week, we can say no Mango for Sept. 1...
We can speculate until the cows come home but there's no proof.

Okay, i will just hold my HD7 for a little bit longer and for CoD XP.
Can't wait for Eternity.
Off Topic : So, that mean, all Windows Phone is designed for 16-bit color after all?
So, when i see a 32-bit Color Image, what would happen?

"9/15 isn't Mango day" Says Joe Belfiore

http://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore
He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say

wwfc said:
He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say
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And there we go, gettings up our false hopes again.

He also said, "PS - this website shows you the START of fall. Don't jump to conclusions!! http://bit.ly/oKGsJ2." So don't hold your breath.

I still haven't got NoDo on my Omnia 7. I'm sick of waiting!

I wait in silence!

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No we don't.

Awww crap! that means it won't be arriving until AFTER september 23rd... I actually thought Microsoft would release something ahead of schedule but they never like to disappoint us do they.

Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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Mushroom management courtesy of Microsoft...again!

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.

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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.
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I explained this to like 5 people on Youtube earlier, received a lot of hate mail in reply lol people are complete idiots - they will make it widely known when it is getting released.

Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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Peew971 said:
Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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I don't know what the real deal is with the Mango release date, but intentionally trying to steal attention from Apple by releasing it on the same day (or even the same week) as the iPhone 5 would be an epic mistake. WP7 is nowhere near popular (or even well-known) enough yet to compete with the cacophony of noise that the iPhone 5 will generate. It would be analogous to dropping a small stone into a pond, trying to make more waves than someone else who is dropping a 50 pound boulder.

Iphone5??? More dumbass speculation, MS never once said 9/15... Xda is getting ridiculous, I just follow some tech news sites now, and some Wp7 dev forums here from now on
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It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.
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I'd like to add to this. They pushed quite hard every developer, in an announcement, to update their app to Mango like NOW or sooner if possible !
The hell I will ! If you push a Mango update, you can't update your NoDo version anymore, forever ! So basically I don't even know when the new features I add will become available to the general public (surely not before 1-2 months for most customers) and at the same time if I find a bug in my current version I won't be able to fix, never again.
So you're asking me once more a leap of faith, even after you provided a disaster of update schedule the last (and only) time around ? You must be kidding me...
Playing hide and seek games and having cryptic (supposedly funny ?) posts with release dates after the mess they did with their first one... doesn't feel right.
State a fixed date, well in advance and honour it

well said my freind..

A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.

all of yall must be idiots
they never said the 15th but yet yall hold them to it
even if they said go today your carrier would not be ready some still don't have nodo

sure haven't said:
A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.
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Mostly the reason because everyone thought it was the 15th, is the absolute need for it to come out as soon as possible as it's too late already, the window is closing extremely fast.
The platform is freaking late and having a new major iteration of ios close at hand, contemporary to something that puts WP somewhere around a 2009 OS, well you get the picture...
But ultimately, it's just that being in this sh•••y situation, you would expect they would learn to communicate better with their public. It's not like you're Apple, you're the n.1, you've already made proselytises by the bucket who have never been disappointed by your products...again, this cryptic tweets and no updates make them look arrogant.