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He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say
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He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say
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And there we go, gettings up our false hopes again.
He also said, "PS - this website shows you the START of fall. Don't jump to conclusions!! http://bit.ly/oKGsJ2." So don't hold your breath.
I still haven't got NoDo on my Omnia 7. I'm sick of waiting!
I wait in silence!
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No we don't.
Awww crap! that means it won't be arriving until AFTER september 23rd... I actually thought Microsoft would release something ahead of schedule but they never like to disappoint us do they.
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.
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Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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Mushroom management courtesy of Microsoft...again!
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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.
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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.
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I explained this to like 5 people on Youtube earlier, received a lot of hate mail in reply lol people are complete idiots - they will make it widely known when it is getting released.
Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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I don't know what the real deal is with the Mango release date, but intentionally trying to steal attention from Apple by releasing it on the same day (or even the same week) as the iPhone 5 would be an epic mistake. WP7 is nowhere near popular (or even well-known) enough yet to compete with the cacophony of noise that the iPhone 5 will generate. It would be analogous to dropping a small stone into a pond, trying to make more waves than someone else who is dropping a 50 pound boulder.
Iphone5??? More dumbass speculation, MS never once said 9/15... Xda is getting ridiculous, I just follow some tech news sites now, and some Wp7 dev forums here from now on
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It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.
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I'd like to add to this. They pushed quite hard every developer, in an announcement, to update their app to Mango like NOW or sooner if possible !
The hell I will ! If you push a Mango update, you can't update your NoDo version anymore, forever ! So basically I don't even know when the new features I add will become available to the general public (surely not before 1-2 months for most customers) and at the same time if I find a bug in my current version I won't be able to fix, never again.
So you're asking me once more a leap of faith, even after you provided a disaster of update schedule the last (and only) time around ? You must be kidding me...
Playing hide and seek games and having cryptic (supposedly funny ?) posts with release dates after the mess they did with their first one... doesn't feel right.
State a fixed date, well in advance and honour it
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A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.
all of yall must be idiots
they never said the 15th but yet yall hold them to it
even if they said go today your carrier would not be ready some still don't have nodo
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A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.
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Mostly the reason because everyone thought it was the 15th, is the absolute need for it to come out as soon as possible as it's too late already, the window is closing extremely fast.
The platform is freaking late and having a new major iteration of ios close at hand, contemporary to something that puts WP somewhere around a 2009 OS, well you get the picture...
But ultimately, it's just that being in this sh•••y situation, you would expect they would learn to communicate better with their public. It's not like you're Apple, you're the n.1, you've already made proselytises by the bucket who have never been disappointed by your products...again, this cryptic tweets and no updates make them look arrogant.
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I've been sitting on the sidelines not being vocal, but I think there's something we need to consider...
When we got our wp7 phones we need what features were lacking. If you didn't you should have done some research before you bought the phone. Wp7 is still in its infancy and expect there to be bugs and problems. If you wanted something more concrete should have stick with your iphone or Android. For what we do have everything seems to run pretty smooth.
Im not going to lie, but I curious about the nodo update. But im glad I haven't received it. Because then our phones will be locked and the homebrew segment and actual limited customization will be gone. Until someone of course finds a work around. And someone always does. And honestly, on your old phones how many of you even knew it had a copy.paste feature? Instead of focusing on nodo update which doesn't really do much, except speed up our phones, why no concentrate more on mango! Mango is the update that we all should want! Just my two cents. Btw i use a HTC hd7 on tmobile USA and its done everything i wanted without any problems!
I think people are focusing on Nodo because it's the 1st update and it will give us an idea about how Microsoft will handle the platform.
If they can't even handle a small update with almost nothing in it, this is worrying for the future. If they need 5 months to release such a small update, when will we get Mango? it's nice to make big promises about Mango but I'm starting to believe Thurrott when he says 2012 when you consider Microsoft's pace. I couldn't care less about Nodo, I don't use C&P that much and it doesn't fix the bugs people really care about like Live Tiles and push notifications not working. It only fixes one bug and that's the marketplace one.
And how long until we stop saying "they've just started, give them time"? After 6 months they should be about to deliver their 2nd update and be talking about the next one. Even if it's in 3 months, at least talk about it! They act like they don't give a sh*t and I'm sure soon people will start trading their phones and go back to Android/iOS.
That's true too. But considering this is their first update we can't assume things will be perfect. Now if the next major update rolls out and there's still issues with updating I for would question Microsoft. But I see your point of view. Perhaps Microsoft was releasing this small update to see how their update system would work? Dunno, but don't give up on Microsoft just yet. Trust me, I miss my android G2, but my wp7 phone hasn't let me done yet. And I was just thinking, do we really need multitasking? That could open up a whole new can of worms.
A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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Same here. I'm really starting to get worried that it'll be like everyone feared.
Oh well, I really thought they would up their game with this.
Still a great phone, just now I know it won't be supported.
I'm still not quite sure what carriers have to do with updating the phone. The update comes through Zune. C&P can't screw up a network, neither can the marketplace not crashing all the time.
In other words, this update fiasco is purely MS's fault.
Be it that they didn't make a better deal with carriers, they underestimated logistics, they haven't been forthright with customers, it is the fault of MS.
On the other hand. If you bought the phone because some said someone at MS said an update was coming out soon that would add C&P, I can see how you'd be pissed off, but you'd still be silly for buying a phone based on a rumor as opposed to its merits, which are plentiful.
My problem with this whole thing is:
1/. If MS was gonna stay mum and not update us on the delays, they should've STFU all the way until they announced a concrete date for the update.
2/. If MS was gonna talk about updates, they should've kept us posted all the way instead of tidbits here and there.
The way their going about it making it so some can't even recommend WP7 because of this update fiasco. I mean, since when couldn't MS send out bug fixes? I get one almost every week for my PC and that OS is way more complicated than a phone OS.
That's so true. They shouldn't make promises they can't keep. And if they say something and it dont go right atleast keep us in the loop. I also agree its hard to reccomend a phone where the support from Microsoft seems to be very spotty. So my question is, is it still too early to tell the future of wp7? I guess now I can understand why some people are asking about trying to dual boot on our phones. So is it the carriers fault, Microsoft fault, or the OEMs hardware fault we're not getting updates? And since we have to update through Zune, what do the carriers have anything to do with the updates?
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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The messed up part is that this is an advantage.
While they were ironing out whatever back-alley deals they had to iron out with the carriers, they could've been taking notes on what actual people in the know on forums like these had to ***** about.
They could've then slipped a few of the fixes, swapped a few 1s with 0s in the code, tweaked it around just a bit to make the OS even better.
Instead, we're going to get the update verbatim, the geek world is going to laugh and MS is gonna wonder where it all went wrong for the umpteenth time.
Probably just a reiteration of what others have said, but nonetheless my opinion. Microsoft first said that the NoDo update would be coming early next year so most people assumed January, than they said late February (I think they did), then it was early March, and now its late March. This update merely adds copy + paste (along with a few bugfixes, one of which ISN'T for the camera) and that is a very basic feature! Apple just released iOS 4.3 (which updated the Safari javascript engine and some other stuff) AHEAD of schedule by 2 days and Microsoft keeps pushing back a minor update by weeks.
I'm pissed because I want WP7 to succeed. I used the device and I loved the device, but it's not nearly as good as its competitors as a whole. If Microsoft doesn't figure out what their doing WP7 will fail.
The general rule is you NEVER buy a phone based on what is "coming". You always buy based on what is in the phone when you bought it. I went through the same crap with blackberry, promising an os update to the storm 2 series. When OS6 came out they were like nope, not supporting that handset. Go buy a the touch.
I'm very satisfied with the Samsung Focus I have now, any future updates is just icing on the cake. You'll be sorely disappointed if you buy things based on promises
Sorry I will have to reiterate my post 'normal consumers' want to play music,surf the web play youtube and games most will not use copy and paste that is just a fact. I work in a theater with a varied range of people most do not even know they have copy and paste capabilities.
Yeah, I know some will say it's immature but as someone who has jumped in front of a train of android fanboys time and time again defending all of my WP7 devices is getting harder and harder when it seems that not even Microsoft wants to take themselves seriously. If they don't begin to take themselves and us, the more intelligent userbase, seriously then I won't be taking them seriously and my 8 WP7 devices will be traded/sold off on craigslist for another unfortunate soul to pick up. I love the WP7 UI, absolutely love it. I don't know where to go after this to get a UI that's even 1/10th as good as the WP7 UI but this phone that microsoft more or less promised the world on is looking less and less so on a daily basis. If Microsoft doesn't stop taking us seriously... I don't know where I'll go for a phone OS because android is now too slow for me and Iphone screens are too tiny, but I will certainly take my rather spendy business elsewhere. I know the meager 2100 dollars I've spent on WP7 devices may not seem like much to a corporate giant like microsoft but that's more than most people are willing to pay in WP7's current form.
I don't blame you dude. Its getting ridiculous! Microsoft stated that the future updates for Windows Phone 7 would blow the Iphone and Android out the water... I was really excited by this as I had just picked up my Mozart, now 6 months on, no updates at all, nothing, zip! I have also been reading that NoDo will be the only update this year!?!?!
Yes I'm excited to have copy and paste on my device (something that should have been present in the first place) but Microsoft are missing a trick here! Yes this phone has a great UI but without getting the simple things right I can see it flopping. I'm also struggling with the accuracy of many of the Microsoft built in features such as Bing Maps, which can't seem to get me anywhere at all!
SORT IT OUT MICROSOFT!
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Yeah, I know some will say it's immature but as someone who has jumped in front of a train of android fanboys time and time again defending all of my WP7 devices is getting harder and harder when it seems that not even Microsoft wants to take themselves seriously. If they don't begin to take themselves and us, the more intelligent userbase, seriously then I won't be taking them seriously and my 8 WP7 devices will be traded/sold off on craigslist for another unfortunate soul to pick up. I love the WP7 UI, absolutely love it. I don't know where to go after this to get a UI that's even 1/10th as good as the WP7 UI but this phone that microsoft more or less promised the world on is looking less and less so on a daily basis. If Microsoft doesn't stop taking us seriously... I don't know where I'll go for a phone OS because android is now too slow for me and Iphone screens are too tiny, but I will certainly take my rather spendy business elsewhere. I know the meager 2100 dollars I've spent on WP7 devices may not seem like much to a corporate giant like microsoft but that's more than most people are willing to pay in WP7's current form.
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No blame here, either. In my case, I have an iPhone an HD2 and soon the Android equivalent of the iPhone: Nexus S, to keep my tech veins fixed.
In all honesty I don't know where to go from here though. May have to pick up another HD2. Android is too choppy for me and as much as I like the iphone with the WP7 theme the keyboard is too small.
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In all honesty I don't know where to go from here though. May have to pick up another HD2. Android is too choppy for me and as much as I like the iphone with the WP7 theme the keyboard is too small.
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Well I mean I'll be angry too, but wp7 as is, is still a fantastic device. You could just stay with it, and understand that it's just unsupported now.
Or would you bail because of the principle of it all?
I think it's utterly pathetic the way Microsoft is handling this. They came out a strong contender, but now are returning to what they were: a joke.
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Well I mean I'll be angry too, but wp7 as is, is still a fantastic device. You could just stay with it, and understand that it's just unsupported now.
Or would you bail because of the principle of it all?
I think it's utterly pathetic the way Microsoft is handling this. They came out a strong contender, but now are returning to what they were: a joke.
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Primarily the principle... and as much as I hate to admit it I would like multi-tasking... if I am playing ilomilo and I sit my phone down for a minute I have to start the level over again... it's pretty lame. If tombstoning apps worked as it should it wouldn't be an issue.
M$? Seriously? You think they're delaying the update as some sort of diabolical scheme to make money? Or is it just because they want to taunt their users? I'm sorry so much of your self worth is tied up in a phone that you can't bear someone making fun of it.
I think it's pretty obvious it's not out yet because Samsung's firmware is garbage and they're trying to work around it. After this first one future updates should go much more smoothly.
Well I am pretty sure I am picking up a HTC 7 Pro/Arrive from Sprint on March 20th, and it comes pre-installed with the NoDo update. Obviously the update already works and is out if HTC is manufacturing the Arrive and will have them in stores on the 20th.
I would say that the issue of update is falling just on Microsoft.
Dude STFU! Official word was 90 days after CES. Officially they are right on time.
Its like you guys dismissed official word and believed bull**** rumors.
Damn I usually criticize this mediocre OS, but you guys are going too far.
Realistically, no profit minded business gives a **** about pushing updates to old hardware. It doesn't make money! Get over it.
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M$? Seriously? You think they're delaying the update as some sort of diabolical scheme to make money? Or is it just because they want to taunt their users? I'm sorry so much of your self worth is tied up in a phone that you can't bear someone making fun of it.
I think it's pretty obvious it's not out yet because Samsung's firmware is garbage and they're trying to work around it. After this first one future updates should go much more smoothly.
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Eh, they've had 6 months to do this. We are not children, they should've tested it on two of their most popular devices much before the release that bricked some devices with 0 benefits. The corporate world is not something you procrastinate in if you want to succeed in whatever market. I have no doubt given the support WP7 will be the best out there but it truly doesn't seem microsoft is taking it seriously. Samsung is garbage when it comes to drivers. That is and will continue to be their weak point for whatever reason.
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Dude STFU! Official word was 90 days after CES. Officially they are right on time.
Its like you guys dismissed official word and believed bull**** rumors.
Damn I usually criticize this mediocre OS, but you guys are going too far.
Realistically, no profit minded business gives a **** about pushing updates to old hardware. It doesn't make money! Get over it.
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And even more recent word was first two weeks of March. I'm not one of those people who acts as though the update should've been out in January. I went solely on Microsoft's word and it does get annoying when not only are the rumors incorrect but also the official word.
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Dude STFU! Official word was 90 days after CES. Officially they are right on time.
Its like you guys dismissed official word and believed bull**** rumors.
Damn I usually criticize this mediocre OS, but you guys are going too far.
Realistically, no profit minded business gives a **** about pushing updates to old hardware. It doesn't make money! Get over it.
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When did they ever officially say "90 days after CES" ? At first it was the "January Update." Then February. Then Early March. Now it's late March. I won't be surprised if it dips into ****ing April.
WP7 is a solid OS, there's nothing mediocre about it. It makes iOS look like an archaic toy in terms of UI.
But with all that said, Microsoft is taking WAY too long to bring the OS up to feature parity with Android and iOS, and it's starting to get a little ****ing ridiculous. what we SHOULD be getting this month is Mango, not NoDo. Microsoft is dragging their damned feet, and the more they do it the further they'll fall behind.
They CANNOT afford to take their sweet damn time like this. If they do, the platform will die.
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When did they ever officially say "90 days after CES" ? At first it was the "January Update." Then February. Then Early March. Now it's late March. I won't be surprised if it dips into ****ing April.
WP7 is a solid OS, there's nothing mediocre about it. It makes iOS look like an archaic toy in terms of UI.
But with all that said, Microsoft is taking WAY too long to bring the OS up to feature parity with Android and iOS, and it's starting to get a little ****ing ridiculous. what we SHOULD be getting this month is Mango, not NoDo. Microsoft is dragging their damned feet, and the more they do it the further they'll fall behind.
They CANNOT afford to take their sweet damn time like this. If they do, the platform will die.
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January and February were tech blog rumors. Android reallly doesnt have much further to advance so that's not a concern. With them it's pretty much a hardware battle from here on out.
Oh my gosh, AT CES THEY SAID 60-90 DAYS! NO TECH BLOG, NO RUMOR. FACT.
I think you should calm the fsk down and stop treating your phone like a football team. You *threw* yourself in front of android fanboys? the chivalry lol!
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Oh my gosh, AT CES THEY SAID 60-90 DAYS! NO TECH BLOG, NO RUMOR. FACT.
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Ballmer himself said first two weeks of March
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Android reallly doesnt have much further to advance so that's not a concern. With them it's pretty much a hardware battle from here on out.
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You sound like the Guy that made a living selling oil lamps in the early 1800s. "There is nothing else they can invent, this is the best technology can get". Yeah right.
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I think you should calm the fsk down and stop treating your phone like a football team. You *threw* yourself in front of android fanboys? the chivalry lol!
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Yup, that added something to the thread.
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You sound like the Guy that made a living selling oil lamps in the early 1800s. "There is nothing else they can invent, this is the best technology can get". Yeah right.
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Honestly cant think of a good addition thats been added to android since... I don't know... multi-tasking?
I hate to say it, but the OP is right and the defenders are wrong. And I'm throwing down the gauntlet, too: if NoDo doesn't hit in March, I'm DONE.
Some good stuff coming up but having to wait for Fall is painful. They should have at least one update in the meantime to fix some of the known bugs.
Bummer.
WPCentral Summary of the keynote: http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-keynote-summarised
Demos from MIX 11 by Channel9: http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Windows-Phone-7/Windows-Phone-7-Announcements--Demos-from-MIX-11-with-Joe-Belfiore
Engadget report with video: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/this-is-windows-phone-next-developers-take-notes-video/
New Chassis unveiled: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/04/14/new-windows-phone-7-chassis-unveiled-msm7x30-and-msm8x55/
Everything anybody has asked for - both user and developer side - were announced with the exception of voice navigation... I feel a lot of things have still been left unannounced... But wow, Joe's presentation was amazing tbh
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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While I understand the frustration... I think that's a bit extreme. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt it'll take til Mango for a patch
You wanna take that bet? I say no patch before Mango, that's a sure win.
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I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
Is anyone going to consolidate all the WP7 anouncements from MiX11???
Or can someone post a link so other people can see some of the GREAT stuff thats coming to WP7
I was going to do that but I haven't seen a link with everything yet.
One interesting thing I picked up on Ch9Live was someone asked if Devs will get access to Mango on thier phones before its release.
The answer was that they are committed that registered developers with dev unlocked phones will have access to mango. They havent solved it yet, but are absolutly commited to it.
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Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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lol @ resetting phone every few weeks
It's hard to consolidate everything because, frankly, that was a lot of info. And, furthermore, there's a lot to come yet - like it was mentioned briefly that there will be new pickers and choosers, but which ones is to be announced later.
Yeah, I think it will be a while before all the relivent info is pulled togather from MiX11.
I for one am quite excited about what snipits i've read so far with what is coming to WP7.
I used to be an android user back in the 1.6 hero day and saw how android has developed into arguable the biggest and best OS in smartphones.
I genuinly believe WP7 has the potential to challenege RiM, Apple, and Android and with all these great noises coming out from MiX 11 maybe just maybe it could dominate the WWWWWWWWORLD......MMMMMMMWAAAHAHAHAHA.....
One interesting point is that the dev tools for Mango are due to be released next month. In the Q&A session afterwards it was mentioned that a Mango build will be made available for developer-unlocked devices to allow testing of apps with the new SDK.
Microsoft is back on the track,these new features are amasing,very exciting about the conference today by joe belfiore
Good info here...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/Mango-new-version-of-Windows-Phone-arriving-this-fall.php
So 6 months from now to update (Fall there is September, right?). If this is right, I'm assuming that the update is about to arrive at October.
The problem with that, is wait for new APIs. I want Whatsapp!
Ah, btw, nothing was mentioned about Windows Live Messenger. That is sad.
whats this live tiles thjing about? My HTC doesnt have this problem, is it specific mobiles?
spliffmonkey187 said:
I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Hehe crow bar to the head of any one operating inefficiently would be my rememdy as well But joking aside, you do have a point in that the "coming soon" or "TBA" or "TDA" of alot of things to do with WP7 is frustrating. I think the only way consumers can ensure MS stays on track and does release any information is to keep asking "when will feature A or B be released" or "when is patch D going to be pushed out" it may be subtle but negative press that is garnered by constant negative exposure does help companies see where they are doing things wrong and where they can fix things.
WP7 after Mango is released and implemented will mark a milestone in its growth. It will no longer have the excuse "we are the new kid on the block and need time to catch up" no, after Mango they have to focus their efforts on improving communication with operators and oems so updates push out better, faster and efficiently, this Pre-Nodo/NoDo fiasco will not look good in 2012 if say the next batch of update (Guava, Tomato or whatever it will called) encounters nodo problems in a post mango age.
So for now let keep those crow bars under the bed and in a few months if no changes then we can make a field trip down to redmond with crow bars in hand Piaqt
Anyone know what phone he was using for showing the gyro api? Was it the htc pro or hd7? Do our phones have gyro sensors built in?
Btw, loved the presentation , the quantas app was brilliant
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
zukа said:
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.
Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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domineus said:
q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.
I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist
sure haven't said:
I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals
dtboos said:
That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.
After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.
RoboDad said:
still waiting for 7392 here
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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....
tiny17 said:
Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.
I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?
http://www.wpcentral.com/mango-rollout-coming-september-1
Saw this article and also an article from HTC Vietnam
http://blog.htcsmartphone.com.vn/?p=1837 (use Google Translate if you want)
That mean, we can pick up new device on September 1st?
I can wait to renew my contract.
Sep 1st = Mango Release + Call of Duty XP
Sep 2st = Vietnamese Independence Day + Call of Duty XP
Too good for September.
I wouldn't count on seeing the update happen on Sept 1st. Microsoft is already saying that it won't release then and I cannot imagine the carriers have their crap together well enough to get ready for deployment by that time.
I would tend to agree, but it is also worth pointing out that Belfiore didn't actually say it wouldn't be released on the first. All he said is that it was a rumor (which means nothing more than it didn't come from an official Microsoft announcement). After all, when the first RTM announcement leaked, Microsoft was quick to say that it was also just a rumor, despite the fact that it was only 3 days away from actually happening.
I'm not trying to build up false hope, but at the same time, all we really have to go on is a rumor (that pocketlint believes to be credible) and a very vague response on Twitter.
As for carriers being ready, I just look back at NoDo. The HTC Arrive was ready to go a full month before most carriers had their upgrade testing completed for existing devices. If it means selling new hardware, rest assured they won't spin their wheels.
I am gonna have a new contract soon... do i have to buy a damn pre-paid simcard just to wait for new mango device?
Am I missing something here? At this point it is out of microsoft's hands right? Isnt it essentially up to the carriers when an update will be released?
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
Rumor continue.
don't quote the source of the first post as new info
then hunt around alittle more for this old news and see that joebelfiore says it just a rumor. (he is the corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management)
https://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore/status/101900748660555776
Strike_Eagle said:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
Rumor continue.
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belfiore debunked that...
domineus said:
belfiore debunked that...
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k i know what i want know, a pre-paid simcard , can't wait to have a new phone...
When will T-Mobile finish merging with AT&T then?
domineus said:
belfiore debunked that...
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You mean the same way they "debunked" the release of the Mango beta to developers? There was a blog post that said it was coming "this week" (meaning the week of the post), and Microsoft's "debunking" response was "nothing is happening this week". While that was true, the release did happen, the next week. Or is it like the "debunking" of the RTM of Mango, which was reported on a number of sites as happening "today" (meaning the day of the report), which Microsoft "debunked" as "it's not happening today". Again, their statement was true, but it didn't bother to mention the fact that it was going to happen just 3 days later.
So, forgive me if I take Joe's very cryptic, ambiguous "Sept 1? Just a rumor." comment as much of a debunking. Maybe it won't happen on the 1st. Maybe it will be announced on the 2nd, at IFA. Or maybe it won't happen until a few weeks later. Just about anything is possible at this point.
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You mean the same way they "debunked" the release of the Mango beta to developers? There was a blog post that said it was coming "this week" (meaning the week of the post), and Microsoft's "debunking" response was "nothing is happening this week". While that was true, the release did happen, the next week. Or is it like the "debunking" of the RTM of Mango, which was reported on a number of sites as happening "today" (meaning the day of the report), which Microsoft "debunked" as "it's not happening today". Again, their statement was true, but it didn't bother to mention the fact that it was going to happen just 3 days later.
So, forgive me if I take Joe's very cryptic, ambiguous "Sept 1? Just a rumor." comment as much of a debunking. Maybe it won't happen on the 1st. Maybe it will be announced on the 2nd, at IFA. Or maybe it won't happen until a few weeks later. Just about anything is possible at this point.
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It's not often Belfiore just openly states that it is just a rumor. Heck he posts windows phone, but not often to say whether something is valid or not. That's more of Brandon's schtick. Whether its one day or next week, we can say no Mango for Sept. 1...
We can speculate until the cows come home but there's no proof.
Okay, i will just hold my HD7 for a little bit longer and for CoD XP.
Can't wait for Eternity.
Off Topic : So, that mean, all Windows Phone is designed for 16-bit color after all?
So, when i see a 32-bit Color Image, what would happen?