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Windows Phone 7 update not due until March 8

here's the source link http://www.neowin.net/news/exclusive-windows-phone-7-update-not-due-until-march-8

nooooooooooooooooooooo.......
i was really waiting for this D:

As long as it's in first quarter I'm happy...

Sad news indeed. But at least it's still coming and as long as there are no major hiccups I'd rather wait for a quality update.
But I have a feeling this last minute change could severely screw up Microsoft's plans for MWC. I was expecting MS to tout how the first update was being pushed out to WP7 owners across the world at that moment and then would proceed to tease the next OS update. Now if they show off the second OS update without even releasing the first OS update, they'll look like a laughing stock and be criticized for being too slow.
This is not good news at all. But at least MWC is almost guaranteeing new hardware so it's not a complete loss.

LOL
Are these the same multiple sources everywhere on the web who were reporting Feb. 7. Tomorrow this will be all over the web & stated as fact just because someone heard it from someone else, who heard it from the janitor who works at a major carrier .
If you keep guessing long enough you are bound to be right, or close to it eventually so who knows it could happen.
Whenever it happens really doesn't matter anymore because MS has failed IMO. There is very little talk about WP7, except the Nokia stuff & how long it's taking MS to get this update out. The Nokia stuff is a big deal only if you believe Nokia can shift a big part of their market share to WP7, & I doubt they can.

phoneguy 4567 said:
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Are these the same multiple sources everywhere on the web who were reporting Feb. 7. Tomorrow this will be all over the web & stated as fact just because someone heard it from someone else, who heard it from the janitor who works at a major carrier .
If you keep guessing long enough you are bound to be right, or close to it eventually so who knows it could happen.
Whenever it happens really doesn't matter anymore because MS has failed IMO. There is very little talk about WP7, except the Nokia stuff & how long it's taking MS to get this update out. The Nokia stuff is a big deal only if you believe Nokia can shift a big part of their market share to WP7, & I doubt they can.
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No, real life sources, actually.

phoneguy 4567 said:
Whenever it happens really doesn't matter anymore because MS has failed IMO.
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Welp, all your credibility flew out the window there.

i sure will postpone n postpone... microsoft style....

How can it not be considered a fail when you start off with positive press & excitement & a few months later it's replaced by data leak questions & when will the first update be released. On top of that as a Samsung Focus owner I can't use a Micro SD card reliably.
All MS had to do is put out a date like March at the beginning & they could have avoided all of it. Even if they said March & ended up delivering it early they would look good, if they delivered in March they would be seen as delivering the update on time.

Easy. You say an ambiguous date like "Early 2011" so it doesn't matter when you release it but early 2011. Things could happen. They haven't announced it, so when they announce it, then you can "*****" at them for being late, until then, Microsoft said all the correct things. No matter what you think about that.

phoneguy 4567 said:
How can it not be considered a fail when you start off with positive press & excitement & a few months later it's replaced by data leak questions & when will the first update be released. On top of that as a Samsung Focus owner I can't use a Micro SD card reliably.
All MS had to do is put out a date like March at the beginning & they could have avoided all of it. Even if they said March & ended up delivering it early they would look good, if they delivered in March they would be seen as delivering the update on time.
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Im guessing with their crystal balls and a touch of hindsight they could have given date, but in the real world things like that dont happen, to my knowledge there has not been an official press statement saying Feb 7th, so tell me, how have thhey missed a target that doesnt exist?
could that date have been an internal milestone date? who knows huh!
MS hasnt failed, but if it does its because of comments like this, missinformation, bad bias reporting and bigotry by people that didnt understand what it is or in some cases havent even used it for a length of time

I never said MS gave any date I just used the Feb. 7 date as a example of one post or site saying something, & it spreading all over the net. Then in the end it turns out to be false, & now it starts again with this March date which may or may not happen.

Still wish it coming out before that...

Is anyone really that excited about Copy and Paste? The only thing worth the update is the faster load times... and that's a pretty minor thing. Granted, copy and paste would be nice, but are people actually upset about this because they don't have copy and paste? Just seems like a lot of hoopla for nothing.

Thats really dissapointing! Will wait for the NoDo update and Mango for sure..
Microsoft said that THEY WILL keep our devices up to date utleast 5 times per year..

phoneguy 4567 said:
I never said MS gave any date I just used the Feb. 7 date as a example of one post or site saying something, & it spreading all over the net. Then in the end it turns out to be false, & now it starts again with this March date which may or may not happen.
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Still, saying something as daft as WP7 is a failure is..well, daft.

So you don't mind what the update does as long as you get five of them each year? Better to have it tested properly first, though it is kind of frustrating for them to - hmm - "let us assume" a schedule (with several pointers) and then not stick to it.

thats when HOMEFRONT comes out now my march 8 will be completely awesome

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Still, saying something as daft as WP7 is a failure is..well, daft.
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This thread is about the first update to WP7 coming out in March I never said WP7 is a failure, it's too early to know that. MS failed in its handling of the update IMO so now it won't matter when it's released, it will be seen as a failure. There will be other updates & if MS can add features/fixes in a faster manner then they can recover. You just assumed I meant MS failed with WP7 when I meant they failed with this update.

Mango update final version release date

When will it be???.
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...check with your favourite fortune-teller.....

FTC said:
...check with your favourite fortune-teller.....
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love this!
When will it be???.
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coming this fall!

September.
- Was talking to a MS guy lol, he told me .-.
Not sure if he was 100% right, but it seems like a ok time.

11.11.11, 11.11 am Pacific Time. That's what the cards say .

Peew971 said:
11.11.11, 11.11 am Pacific Time. That's what the cards say .
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Realistically November - December for users.

FTC said:
...check with your favourite fortune-teller.....
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Mmm - you can use Bing local search to find him or her
Jan Roelof

If this is question, please use "Q" or "?" in thread name.

fiinix said:
September.
- Was talking to a MS guy lol, he told me .-.
Not sure if he was 100% right, but it seems like a ok time.
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Usually August OEMs get final ver. while september and october are release dates. So it would seem quite likely that existing phones get mango...hopefully first...

i think november (xbox gets than an update too)
and the plan for mango is more cooperative with xlive just my thought o.o

doministry said:
Realistically November - December for users.
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If we're being realistic, it'll be in the user's hands in early/mid 2012.
Not kidding. Mark my words.
/b-b-b-but NoDo will be here in January!
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And anyone who disagrees is setting themselves up for disappointment. Seriously, everyone's sitting here saying September, November, October, etc. These boards will be filled with raaaaage when the fall comes and Mango hasn't arrived yet. If I'm wrong I'll happily eat my words, but I'd say there's abuot a 4% chance of Mango getting here before 2012. Just watch.

We can only hope they have learned from Nodo.
The word I have heard from my source is late summer for a release, and into consumers hands sept/oct. And this was later vindicated at the MIX event.

I bet Sept, with the release of new phones. December at the latest. Any bets?
They've been pushing this thing since last year.

domineus said:
Usually August OEMs get final ver. while september and october are release dates. So it would seem quite likely that existing phones get mango...hopefully first...
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Add 3 months for us carriers to do their own testing and sounds about right..
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eric12341 said:
I wish people would stop being ignorant about this. it was only the Samsung focus that had the update issues and delays.
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Exactly. And people also need to stop pretending that Microsoft ever stated that NoDo would be released in January (or February, or March). They never did.
As for Mango, as far as I can recall, all they have ever officially said (so far) is later this year. If I had to guess, I would say that it will be available on new devices in late September / early October, and on existing devices starting in October. But, as I've said before, AT&T will be (by far) the last to approve the update. So between them and Samsung's pathetic firmware reputation, I doubt that I'll see it on my Focus before next February, if ever. Which means I will probably be looking for a new phone by November.

Glad i dont have a samsung device, my guess mango for htc will be out first

I'm perfectly ok with beta 2 until Mango is available for everybody.
Excited to see the changes between beta 2 and final.
Samsung Focus v 1.3.. so I've had 0 update troubles.
If they learned from their mistakes with Nodo, I'd expect Mango around September/October for existing and new devices.

Peew971 said:
11.11.11, 11.11 am Pacific Time. That's what the cards say .
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11.11.11., 11.11 am but MESZ, this is when the carnival season starts in Germany...

sure haven't said:
If we're being realistic, it'll be in the user's hands in early/mid 2012.
Not kidding. Mark my words.
/b-b-b-but NoDo will be here in January!
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And anyone who disagrees is setting themselves up for disappointment. Seriously, everyone's sitting here saying September, November, October, etc. These boards will be filled with raaaaage when the fall comes and Mango hasn't arrived yet. If I'm wrong I'll happily eat my words, but I'd say there's abuot a 4% chance of Mango getting here before 2012. Just watch.
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I think NoDo taught them one thing or two and I definitely think it will be this year. Reasons for that being:
- Microsoft officially said 2011 a few times
- There are new devices scheduled for release this year that will come with Mango onboard
- the new iPhone will be released this year as well as Android's Ice-cream Sandwich
- All developers are currently using Mango
My bet is November as that's when all the Fall updates have been released on the console side although they should really aim for September before the iPhone 5 is out.
That being said, since you're thinking 2012 you can only be pleasantly surprised when you get it before that

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Exactly. And people also need to stop pretending that Microsoft ever stated that NoDo would be released in January (or February, or March). They never did.
As for Mango, as far as I can recall, all they have ever officially said (so far) is later this year. If I had to guess, I would say that it will be available on new devices in late September / early October, and on existing devices starting in October. But, as I've said before, AT&T will be (by far) the last to approve the update. So between them and Samsung's pathetic firmware reputation, I doubt that I'll see it on my Focus before next February, if ever. Which means I will probably be looking for a new phone by November.
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See right there though, you're faulting speculation for the disappointment with NoDo, but then provide speculation with respect to Mango.
However you are in the same thinking as me with your AT&T thoughts.

Windows Phone Mango released to manufacturing (RTM)

Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/

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Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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a subject already exist http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170721&page=2
but great news for us

Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.

slimshady322 said:
Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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we can hope that got it earlier
http://www.wpcentral.com/ATT-dell-venue-pro-not-shipping-till-8-30-getting-mango-speculation

"fall" is only two months away, as of tomorrow. Just to keep things in perspective.
It seems reasonable to expect the testing and certification by phone manufacturers and carriers to take at least two months, which would be consistent with all of the timelines that have been "leaked" over the past few months. Many rumors indicated that Mango would RTM in July (which it has), and that new Mango-equipped hardware would begin to hit retailers by late August/early September (which also appears to be accurate - remember, no one ever said they would be available worldwide at that time).
Add in another month to complete manufacturer/carrier testing for existing devices, and deal with the logistical issues around preparing for the distribution, and people on reasonable carriers could easily start seeing the update on their phones in early October. People on AT&T will probably see it by June of next year.

Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.

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Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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it is now

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-mango-released-to-manufacturing.aspx

I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.

Demaar said:
I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
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how will hoping you know about the direction of wind help mango leak?!
i will hope in vain as well, but maybe we'll get lucky and it will leak out (or even be released in short order)
wasn't that new toshiba phone msft is showing today/tomorrow supposed to be running mango?

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Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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Well, it looks like you got more time. Only 4 days worth, but still...
Seriously, though, It seems obvious now that the code was already frozen when the original report "leaked", but that the hand-off to handset makers and operators was not complete. Now it is.
So, we are still on track (barring ridiculous manufacturer/carrier delays) to see people actually receive the update by late September/early October. And, if Nokia does have hardware ready to go (which seems evident), we may see Mango-equipped new phone models very quickly.

kinda news ?
i was expecting more today, like a NEW mango finalized device displayed somewhere..
is this only a rtm announcement ?
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
...waiting for some hard news...

I'm hoping that I'll connect to Zune soon and see that an update is available. I'd like full Twitter integration in my Mango.

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anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.

This is fantastic. Like others Im hoping someone leaks the latest build so XDA members can get their fingers dirty.

RoboDad said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products, and could care less about an update that will -not- sell another contract/phone to existing customers. an iphone hardware update on the other hand, oh yes yes yes, they love that stuff.
i did see a couple of blog posts (via my android news aggregator) stating that there would be a mango hardware unveil today, along with the rtm statement. apparently, bloggers jumped the gun, again.
the rtm statement is really a non-news worthy event. "we released something to someone, so sometime soon you might have a something for your phone. maybe." really that's all it is.
now HARDWARE... that's something i can understand there being threads and news about. say, searay or whatever the supposed new SHIPPING device is, that's news.
anyway, back to my jonesing for new tech... maybe endgadget or someone has some cool news... rss update time

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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products
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Pushing products in a store and pushing updates to existing phones have nothing to do with each other. So I still don't understand your original question about carriers pushing the update to our phones. They don't push the update, Microsoft does.

[Rumor] Mango to be released next week.

According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.

dkp1977 said:
According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.
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Some said 15th earlier, which is on next week's Thursday. I hope this is true. Time for me to play those registry tricks to see if I can install extra languages.
But not sure if DVP will follow this schedule.......

The way Microsoft and reliable sources are talking, it seems as though Microsoft may have used some of its strength on carriers and we'll see a much more expedited release. That isn't to say some, or many, won't be delayed, but I doubt it'll be a NoDo type delay.

I will be amazed if my phone gets the update this side of Christmas and I refuse to het my hopes up

SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?

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SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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Yup, that's why we were supposed to back up our backup.

I think this time around, once MS announces the Mango update rollout schedule, most of the devices will get it fairly quickly. MS should have learnt a thing or two from the NoDo episode.
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@Henry I think Dell may be on board. I called last week about a replacement DVP and was told they were out of stock and to call back Sep 16 to get my replacement shipped out.
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Keep in mind, The marketplace started accepting apps for Mango a few weeks ago. No Dev is going to release new apps for NoDO when Mango will offer more features in the API and everyone should have it soon.
Microsoft has a big push in getting Mango in everyone's hands ASAP.
The question is, how it will be done, the leaked roms from HTC are making people nuke their phones to install it, most carriers are going to want people to do it as a upgrade, because of data loss=support nightmare.
Time will tell but, I will bet it will be within the next 2 weeks for 90% of the carriers (huge carriers almost 99%)

Sadly MS is highly unpredictable. There was an overflow of rumors and statements made about the condition of WP7 upon initial release, which panned out to be false. Then there was another wildly overflowing number of rumors and statements made about the release of NoDo. NoDo was finally released when nobody really even cared anymore.
Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.

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SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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entire thread devoted to that question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257690
going by snickler's post there is a chance that we might not have to roll back if on 7220.68. Only time will tell...

Still on 7712 here. Didn't get the unofficial 7720 because not much is different in it. Im hoping I don't have to go back to nodo. Even though I have a backup (multiple in fact) its just annoying to lose my settings from mango. hopefully I can go from 7712 to official mango
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7712 directly to official is highly unlikely as 7712 is beta and in the beta que. As has been said, 7720.68 may be back into the official release que (carrier and oem updates seem to come through) so a 7712 to 7720.68 to official release just might be a feasible update path that doesn't lose anything. Time will tell.
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Have to agree with martylk, even if Microsoft get mango out this week, the carriers will svree things up for sure.
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Microsoft completed Mango in July. What we are waiting on right now is the carriers (and handset makers, although it does appear that most/all of them are done now). If a release is announced in the coming days, it will be because the carriers have completed their testing and possible changes, and submitted whatever they have back to Microsoft, not because we are still waiting on them.

Yep if telenav breaks all the customers get boned cause the carrier wants their 9.99/mo... Its pretty sad, but I'm starting to think about dropping my smartphones (4 a dumbphone) and getting a 7" tab to save money and not have to deal with that in th future. this seems not o be worth it anymore...
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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.

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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.
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Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.

Info released today: http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=21053&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32754&mapcode=consumer%7Cmobile-devices
AT&T will be among the first carriers to start updating existing phones and all Windows Phones already sold by AT&T will receive the Windows Phone 7.5 update this fall.
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Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.
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I did a Google search and all I found was officially "fall" + a lot of rumors.
If you show me a link I might stand corrected though.

"9/15 isn't Mango day" Says Joe Belfiore

http://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore
He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say

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He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say
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And there we go, gettings up our false hopes again.

He also said, "PS - this website shows you the START of fall. Don't jump to conclusions!! http://bit.ly/oKGsJ2." So don't hold your breath.

I still haven't got NoDo on my Omnia 7. I'm sick of waiting!

I wait in silence!

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No we don't.

Awww crap! that means it won't be arriving until AFTER september 23rd... I actually thought Microsoft would release something ahead of schedule but they never like to disappoint us do they.

Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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Mushroom management courtesy of Microsoft...again!

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.

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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.
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I explained this to like 5 people on Youtube earlier, received a lot of hate mail in reply lol people are complete idiots - they will make it widely known when it is getting released.

Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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Peew971 said:
Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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I don't know what the real deal is with the Mango release date, but intentionally trying to steal attention from Apple by releasing it on the same day (or even the same week) as the iPhone 5 would be an epic mistake. WP7 is nowhere near popular (or even well-known) enough yet to compete with the cacophony of noise that the iPhone 5 will generate. It would be analogous to dropping a small stone into a pond, trying to make more waves than someone else who is dropping a 50 pound boulder.

Iphone5??? More dumbass speculation, MS never once said 9/15... Xda is getting ridiculous, I just follow some tech news sites now, and some Wp7 dev forums here from now on
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MartyLK said:
It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.
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I'd like to add to this. They pushed quite hard every developer, in an announcement, to update their app to Mango like NOW or sooner if possible !
The hell I will ! If you push a Mango update, you can't update your NoDo version anymore, forever ! So basically I don't even know when the new features I add will become available to the general public (surely not before 1-2 months for most customers) and at the same time if I find a bug in my current version I won't be able to fix, never again.
So you're asking me once more a leap of faith, even after you provided a disaster of update schedule the last (and only) time around ? You must be kidding me...
Playing hide and seek games and having cryptic (supposedly funny ?) posts with release dates after the mess they did with their first one... doesn't feel right.
State a fixed date, well in advance and honour it

well said my freind..

A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.

all of yall must be idiots
they never said the 15th but yet yall hold them to it
even if they said go today your carrier would not be ready some still don't have nodo

sure haven't said:
A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.
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Mostly the reason because everyone thought it was the 15th, is the absolute need for it to come out as soon as possible as it's too late already, the window is closing extremely fast.
The platform is freaking late and having a new major iteration of ios close at hand, contemporary to something that puts WP somewhere around a 2009 OS, well you get the picture...
But ultimately, it's just that being in this sh•••y situation, you would expect they would learn to communicate better with their public. It's not like you're Apple, you're the n.1, you've already made proselytises by the bucket who have never been disappointed by your products...again, this cryptic tweets and no updates make them look arrogant.