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Future Windows Phone 7 Updates

I was shocked to read this, but it is still up to the carrier to decide whether or not they want to release a windows phone 7 update according to this article.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3982/windows-phone-7-review/26
"Microsoft physically hosts the update, however it is the carrier’s call whether or not to release it to customers Given the ban on UI customizations and the unified hardware support, there should be no technical reason for a carrier to prevent an update from going out. The fact that Microsoft will deliver, with every update, a list of how the carrier’s own validation tests will run should guarantee that any failure to push out said update would be negligence on the carrier’s part. Microsoft went on to say that while it’s possible for a carrier to prevent a Windows Phone update from going out, it doesn’t believe it’s a likely scenario. While Microsoft didn’t say it explicitly, the implication is that Windows Phone won’t have the update issues that have plagued certain Android customers"
The situation is still better than what we get with Android, but the only thing I want my carrier in charge of us my actual wireless service.
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why would carriers deny an update? they are not creating it so they will approve it as long as it doesn't cripples their hardware...
the reason why they don't bother with android or windows mobile is because they need to create that update themselves...re-do the skin etc which costs $$$ so they are ultra slow regarding those OS...
with microsoft doing all the hardwork, carriers need to check whether the update is good for their device or not...
ps - this is why, everyone should buy an unlocked device..

powersquad said:
why would carried deny an update? they are not creating it so they will approve it as long as it doesn't cripples their hardware...
the reason why they don't bother with android or windows mobile is because they need to create that update themselves...re-do the skin etc which costs $$$ so they are ultra slow regarding those OS...
with microsoft doing all the hardwork, carriers need to check whether the update is good for their device or not...
ps - this is why, everyone should buy an unlocked device..
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They would deny it so that to get new features you have to buy a new phone...hmmm not liking this one bit..would sprint do suck a thing?

havox22 said:
They would deny it so that to get new features you have to buy a new phone...hmmm not liking this one bit..would sprint do suck a thing?
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if that happens then microsoft will tell the carriers to get lost...

powersquad said:
if that happens then microsoft will tell the carriers to get lost...
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I hoping the carriers can only stop people from getting it over the air, but not through zune

Quick note - this wasn't a very clear answer in several cases. According to several sources, including Jason Dunn's site, MS will push the OS updates, not the carriers. The carriers will have the option to roll up their updates into the WP updates so there's a common distribution method. Everything I've read recently strongly implies that the carriers will not be in charge of releasing updates. Hope that gives people some hope that we'll get updates in a timely fashion as defined by MS, not the carriers (who have a horrible track record of providing OS updates).

According to Paul Therrott's conversation with MS, Carriers could hold up one and only one update. Not sure why'd they want too, but who knows.....time will tell.

From a recent interview done on Engadget on The Engadget Show, it has been said by Microsoft that they will push updates. Only the user is able to decide whether or not to update.

havox22 said:
I hoping the carriers can only stop people from getting it over the air, but not through zune
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Carriers have no say over updates through zune since it isn't using their network.

my two cents about wp7 and nodo update

I've been sitting on the sidelines not being vocal, but I think there's something we need to consider...
When we got our wp7 phones we need what features were lacking. If you didn't you should have done some research before you bought the phone. Wp7 is still in its infancy and expect there to be bugs and problems. If you wanted something more concrete should have stick with your iphone or Android. For what we do have everything seems to run pretty smooth.
Im not going to lie, but I curious about the nodo update. But im glad I haven't received it. Because then our phones will be locked and the homebrew segment and actual limited customization will be gone. Until someone of course finds a work around. And someone always does. And honestly, on your old phones how many of you even knew it had a copy.paste feature? Instead of focusing on nodo update which doesn't really do much, except speed up our phones, why no concentrate more on mango! Mango is the update that we all should want! Just my two cents. Btw i use a HTC hd7 on tmobile USA and its done everything i wanted without any problems!

I think people are focusing on Nodo because it's the 1st update and it will give us an idea about how Microsoft will handle the platform.
If they can't even handle a small update with almost nothing in it, this is worrying for the future. If they need 5 months to release such a small update, when will we get Mango? it's nice to make big promises about Mango but I'm starting to believe Thurrott when he says 2012 when you consider Microsoft's pace. I couldn't care less about Nodo, I don't use C&P that much and it doesn't fix the bugs people really care about like Live Tiles and push notifications not working. It only fixes one bug and that's the marketplace one.
And how long until we stop saying "they've just started, give them time"? After 6 months they should be about to deliver their 2nd update and be talking about the next one. Even if it's in 3 months, at least talk about it! They act like they don't give a sh*t and I'm sure soon people will start trading their phones and go back to Android/iOS.

That's true too. But considering this is their first update we can't assume things will be perfect. Now if the next major update rolls out and there's still issues with updating I for would question Microsoft. But I see your point of view. Perhaps Microsoft was releasing this small update to see how their update system would work? Dunno, but don't give up on Microsoft just yet. Trust me, I miss my android G2, but my wp7 phone hasn't let me done yet. And I was just thinking, do we really need multitasking? That could open up a whole new can of worms.

A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.

vetvito said:
A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.

z33dev33l said:
I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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Same here. I'm really starting to get worried that it'll be like everyone feared.
Oh well, I really thought they would up their game with this.
Still a great phone, just now I know it won't be supported.

I'm still not quite sure what carriers have to do with updating the phone. The update comes through Zune. C&P can't screw up a network, neither can the marketplace not crashing all the time.
In other words, this update fiasco is purely MS's fault.
Be it that they didn't make a better deal with carriers, they underestimated logistics, they haven't been forthright with customers, it is the fault of MS.
On the other hand. If you bought the phone because some said someone at MS said an update was coming out soon that would add C&P, I can see how you'd be pissed off, but you'd still be silly for buying a phone based on a rumor as opposed to its merits, which are plentiful.
My problem with this whole thing is:
1/. If MS was gonna stay mum and not update us on the delays, they should've STFU all the way until they announced a concrete date for the update.
2/. If MS was gonna talk about updates, they should've kept us posted all the way instead of tidbits here and there.
The way their going about it making it so some can't even recommend WP7 because of this update fiasco. I mean, since when couldn't MS send out bug fixes? I get one almost every week for my PC and that OS is way more complicated than a phone OS.

That's so true. They shouldn't make promises they can't keep. And if they say something and it dont go right atleast keep us in the loop. I also agree its hard to reccomend a phone where the support from Microsoft seems to be very spotty. So my question is, is it still too early to tell the future of wp7? I guess now I can understand why some people are asking about trying to dual boot on our phones. So is it the carriers fault, Microsoft fault, or the OEMs hardware fault we're not getting updates? And since we have to update through Zune, what do the carriers have anything to do with the updates?

I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.

hassia said:
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.

Peew971 said:
Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.

emigrating said:
Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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The messed up part is that this is an advantage.
While they were ironing out whatever back-alley deals they had to iron out with the carriers, they could've been taking notes on what actual people in the know on forums like these had to ***** about.
They could've then slipped a few of the fixes, swapped a few 1s with 0s in the code, tweaked it around just a bit to make the OS even better.
Instead, we're going to get the update verbatim, the geek world is going to laugh and MS is gonna wonder where it all went wrong for the umpteenth time.

Probably just a reiteration of what others have said, but nonetheless my opinion. Microsoft first said that the NoDo update would be coming early next year so most people assumed January, than they said late February (I think they did), then it was early March, and now its late March. This update merely adds copy + paste (along with a few bugfixes, one of which ISN'T for the camera) and that is a very basic feature! Apple just released iOS 4.3 (which updated the Safari javascript engine and some other stuff) AHEAD of schedule by 2 days and Microsoft keeps pushing back a minor update by weeks.
I'm pissed because I want WP7 to succeed. I used the device and I loved the device, but it's not nearly as good as its competitors as a whole. If Microsoft doesn't figure out what their doing WP7 will fail.

The general rule is you NEVER buy a phone based on what is "coming". You always buy based on what is in the phone when you bought it. I went through the same crap with blackberry, promising an os update to the storm 2 series. When OS6 came out they were like nope, not supporting that handset. Go buy a the touch.
I'm very satisfied with the Samsung Focus I have now, any future updates is just icing on the cake. You'll be sorely disappointed if you buy things based on promises

Sorry I will have to reiterate my post 'normal consumers' want to play music,surf the web play youtube and games most will not use copy and paste that is just a fact. I work in a theater with a varied range of people most do not even know they have copy and paste capabilities.

[OFFICIAL] Microsoft Post about NoDo, Phone Updates ect.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...1/03/10/phone-updates-process-and-timing.aspx
At least somebody has been hired to start saying something

There’s one more thing I want to clear up. I’ve seen a lot of speculation on blogs and forums lately about whether carriers can “block” an update. We work closely with carriers to test and schedule updates. They may ask us for a specific date to start an update. They may ask for updates to be bundled together. But you should ultimately receive all the updates we send out.
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Damn you Carriers!
This short pause should in no way impact the timing of future updates, including the one announced recently at Mobile World Congress featuring multitasking, a Twitter feature, and a new HTML 5-friendly version of Internet Explorer Mobile.
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I sure hope so...
This is just what I expected, But I don't think it can penetrate the people's stupidity. Hopefully this can SHUT some of the people UP.

At least someone at Microsoft said something about the updates, even though it doesn't say a whole lot.
Lets hope they become a bit more vocal about things, instead of relying on rumors to become news.

His post was full of words, but didn't really tell us anything at all. I think he's probably a politician at heart.

1. they test updates at ms
2. carriers also test the updates, some carriers take longer than others
3. carriers can request a certain date updates will be allowed. e.g ATT can send an update a week earlier than Verizon (you will get your update but carrier decides when)
4. updates can sometimes include firmware from specific phone manufactures
5. updates are targetted to specific phones. just because LG phones got an update does not mean HTC phones will get an update. see point (2)
6. the snafu about the last update made them pause to make sure this update goes well.
7. The next update is copy and paste, improved market search and other improvements
what do you mean he didn't say anything?

Wow, I'll be honest, I'm both speechless, and pretty much satisfied.
This is exactly what they should have done. Wow. I'm seriously blown away that Microsoft actually did this. Very impressive.
Good enough for me.

i'm still not satisfied with these explanations. these excuses are to buy time and make microsoft look good. microsoft test update in lab > manufacture and chipmaker test their firmware > carrier test it on their network > users get update. they went thru at least 3 phases of testing and tell me none knows of the issue with samsung wp7? they were way behind schedule and have to rush the update so it wasn't properly test. NoGo was supposed to be out january. still NoShow.

akachay said:
i'm still not satisfied with these explanations. these excuses are to buy time and make microsoft look good. microsoft test update in lab > manufacture and chipmaker test their firmware > carrier test it on their network > users get update. they went thru at least 3 phases of testing and tell me none knows of the issue with samsung wp7? they were way behind schedule and have to rush the update so it wasn't properly test. NoGo was supposed to be out january. still NoShow.
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perhaps, but given your logic shouldn't the manufacturer (that being samsung) had picked it up when they were given the update and told MS about it before it hit a whole lot of samsung users? MS don't create the phones themselves (unlike Apple, which everyone seems to be comparing MS' update system to), so therefore the complexity of the updates in general are increased to a great magnitude with the additional layers that they need to help satisfy.

akachay said:
microsoft test(s) update in lab > manufacture(rs) and chipmaker(s) test their firmware > carrier(s) test it on their network(s) > users get update
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There's a step missing for a good test - between network testing and end users, a quick release to power user early adopters needs to happen.
These are people who ideally have the technical proficiency to help troubleshoot any issues encountered (in other words, they know how to file a bug report, and also how to follow troubleshooting instructions from MS).
Whiny *****es would of course be excluded.
MS used to have a system like this for their MSN software products (such as MSN messenger). I thought it worked really well as a participant, but then they ditched the program - IMHO they invited too many whiny non-technical people and just got sick of placating them.

I really don't think this addresses the issue. Tell me MS didn't know how this would work from the beginning?? If they did know, why did they advertise the system the way they did? They made frequent and aggressive updating as a main feature of WP7. Yet that "aggressive" updating is more like super timid updating.
Either MS didn't know what it was getting into, or they knew and are trying to blow smoke up our rears.

or they knew and are trying to blow smoke up our rears.
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*poots left over smoke out of his arse.

MartyLK said:
Either MS didn't know what it was getting into, or they knew and are trying to blow smoke up our rears.
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I would bet money it's the former.
They probably had meetings, layed it all out on spreadsheets, powerpoint presentations, etc. Had engineers give reports. Marketing specialists chime in on what's needed to win. And they thought it would go smooth as butter.

Ok.. time to give a fack with this guy..

So, was there anything we didn't already know?

The fact that MS had to push a pre update update is amusing, & the update was for every phone not just Samsung. Obviously MS never tested the update process before the launch of WP7. The Samsung issues show that MS & its OEM partners don't communicate well with each other. A good example of this is SD card support, if MS doesn't want it why is it there & how did Samsung get away with putting it in? Is MS not in charge of WP7 & the user experience, which a buggy SD card will impact?

Now, that said, I think it's worse than I thought.
So they need to adjust WP7 OS to every device out there, and with approval from carrier?
So, that means.. that this is almost exactly like Android. Or at least seems like Android. They are going to release tons of phones, and then, forget our humble phones.
Really, do you guys think MS is going to worry with an outdated smartphone? That don't even sell in stores anymore?
Crap ;/

After reading some of the comments posted there, it is clear that folks do not understand that the difference between Apple updates and Microsoft updates is that Apple controls the entire chain from nuts and bolts to software. They are updating ONE piece of hardware.
Microsoft is updating MANY DIFFERENT hardware types from many different manufacturers. Thus, 'issues' will occur.

With this PR blog post having 100+ replies with more than 90% of them being not positive, and Paul Thurrot's "Still No Update" post (which I'm assuming is what pushed MS to respond) having 150+ replies, maybe they'll finally start to "get it".
But I doubt it...

pbratton said:
After reading some of the comments posted there, it is clear that folks do not understand that the difference between Apple updates and Microsoft updates is that Apple controls the entire chain from nuts and bolts to software. They are updating ONE piece of hardware.
Microsoft is updating MANY DIFFERENT hardware types from many different manufacturers. Thus, 'issues' will occur.
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It seems you may not understand why the comparisons are valid. "Chassis 1" was suppose to be MS's answer to Apple so that they, like Apple, could update all phones at once.
Anything extra the OEMs add should be on them (ie. LG with DNLA) and MS should ONLY be responsible for updating the core OS. Acer, Asus, HP and Lenovo all update their own drivers while MS updates Windows. It should be the same exact process with WP7.
BTW, Apple is updating THREE pieces of hardware and many revisions of each. MS is updating ONE uniform OS AND they've been in the mobile OS business since 2003. They should have known how to run things by now.

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Microsoft is updating MANY DIFFERENT hardware types from many different manufacturers. Thus, 'issues' will occur.
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Also, it's not like MS has no experience here. They've rolled out updates to different hardware types before as part of the Zune updates that have happened occasionally (I think about twice a year, just like Xbox - autumn/spring) since launch.
So yeah, they have carriers in the mix now. That's really the only complexity added over the Zune updates that have been largely trouble-free.

In depth Mango preview on Engadget

Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/

zukа said:
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...

I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.

Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.

I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist

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I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.

yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals

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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.

After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.

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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.

It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....

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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.

I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?

7.8 update on Christmas?

So based on a leaked document from AT&T the 7.8 update will not go live until WP8 devices are released.... that means 7.8 will not come to the Lumia until Christmas...
Nokia and MS are just playing with the customer making promises they will not fulfill.

Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest

oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.

I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.

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Careful - name calling isn't part of the discussion. If someone can afford it they are welcome to do what they want with their money. He said what he's going to do, not what everyone should do. Hence, name calling is totally unwarranted here.
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I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.
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Yes, the update will be made available OTA afaik. My guess is that AT&T will do the official push to gather everyone in so they all are running 7.8. I would assume that even though I will be pushing the update to myself, not everyone will want to do that (depending on how it's made available). My dad comes to mind
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Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest
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Exactly - to be the latest and greatest at all times, you need to be ready to shell out the cash. I'll be looking at the 1st gen WP8 devices, but I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up a slate/tablet this time around as my iToy err iPad (gen 1) is gathering dust due to uselessness and lag (should have NEVER added the latest OS patch =/).
I'm already looking towards WP8 Gen II devices :angel:

Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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Well, I'm going off of some articles I read about the WP 7.8 update, including what Paul Thurrott said. However, I can't seem to find a direct quote from Microsoft. So, we'll just have to wait and see. Nokia said something about 7.8 arriving in the coming weeks, but again, that could have also been in reference to something else (re: exclusive apps and extras).
*shrug* still lots to follow =)

I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.

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I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.
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Yes, as a regular feature. But 7.8 was discussed otherwise:
Windows Update. Windows Phone 7.8 will be delivered directly to all Windows Phone users, bypassing the carriers. You will be able to download and install Windows Phone 7.8 over Wi-Fi, at home or wherever else, and install this update. This type of updating will be made available in Windows Phone 8, as well, as given my long, loud, and lengthy complaining about the lack of such updating in Windows Phone 7.x, you won’t be surprised, maybe, to discover that Microsoft jokingly calls this “the Paul Thurrott feature” internally.
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That was the only part I could find, not an official bit from Microsoft themselves. you can see it here: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?

efektos said:
So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?
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So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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bigwavesurfer4 said:
oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
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Was going to say something in response but have decided instead that, thanks to people like surfer dude here, for me xda no longer serves the purpose for me it once did. It was one of the best sources on the for useful, helpful information for phones and tablets, but has become a source of irritation and frustration with very little useful information. There are far too many people who whine and complain without offering anything useful or meaningful to the community as a whole, to the point there is more griping than anything else. That being said, I am outta here and on to find the quality elsewhere. l8r

when they say in the "coming weeks", anybody have any idea of "how many" weeks does in the "coming weeks" refers to? i'm actually using an unbranded unit, so i'm actually looking forward for this update

jimski said:
So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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Honestly I didn't know that there's an official release date for WP7.8, but I presume it'll be available before (or at the same time at most) AT&T releases their branded version of the update...