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DO we know if anymore new handsets are being released with WP7 something preferably 4G for tmo or sprint

we don't know, but there may be some announcements at CES in a couple of days

I know that the Asus phone is being released pretty soon and the HTC 7 Pro on Sprint (most likely it will be 4G).

canadariot2312 said:
I know that the Asus phone is being released pretty soon and the HTC 7 Pro on Sprint (most likely it will be 4G).
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Highly doubtful it would be 4g, since WP7 currently doesn't support it.

canadariot2312 said:
I know that the Asus phone is being released pretty soon and the HTC 7 Pro on Sprint (most likely it will be 4G).
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I am buying ASUS phone the day its getting released.. its by far the most professional looking WP7 so far.. maybe after Dell Venue Pro..

I regret not buying ASUS P750 every single day of my life.. I went for HP Ipaq 614C which was a miserable choice.

Can anyone tell me what model, what company this Phone is???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr_n-aoohoI

Its the phone they use in a lot of their marketing materials, I don't believe its real.
Omnia looks closest though.

I am guessing that they will releases the Asus phone at MWC, which isn't too far away. Oh and Toshiba is releasing a WP7 phone sometime in the future, maybe an Acer phone.

Well CES came and went and WP7 was barely a blip in the radar besides the update confirmatin coming this month. im starting to become a little dissapointed as MS, to me, is unfortunately not being aggresive enough following WP7 deployment

Yes, CES was a failure for WP7, not much news, very upsetting in my eyes, Android really showed their azz. Putting Wp7 to shame. I was expecting to see something.

what were y'all expecting to see??? The OS just released, a little early for a huge showing at CES.

937dytboi said:
Yes, CES was a failure for WP7, not much news, very upsetting in my eyes, Android really showed their azz. Putting Wp7 to shame. I was expecting to see something.
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It was CES!!
The reason why there was little to no announcements on the mobile front from anyone (even the Android announcements were majority tablet based) was because MWC is just over a month away:
http://www.mobileworldcongress.com/
It is here where they will announce more phones, what's featured in the update to come, new games etc etc.

brummiesteven said:
The reason why there was little to no announcements on the mobile front from anyone (even the Android announcements were majority tablet based) was because MWC is just over a month away:
http://www.mobileworldcongress.com/
It is here where they will announce more phones, what's featured in the update to come, new games etc etc.
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I kind of think tablets were the main focus. Even though AT&T and Verizon released a boatload of phones, not many phones were released for Sprint or T-Mobile and even those phones weren't so hot.
Well, last year they did unveil Windows Phone 7. I would expect something big this year.

brummiesteven said:
It was CES!!
The reason why there was little to no announcements on the mobile front from anyone (even the Android announcements were majority tablet based) was because MWC is just over a month away:
http://www.mobileworldcongress.com/
It is here where they will announce more phones, what's featured in the update to come, new games etc etc.
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Rumors are going around that Samsung could announce the first 4G WP7 at MWC next month. I'm not getting my hopes too high though. This is only a rumor which is based on 'hints' from a Samsung head.
http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-hinting-at-4g-windows-phone-7-smartphone/
Besides that, I'm expecting Sprint and Verizon to have their WP7s by April and the second generation of handsets sometime between August and November.

I agree with MWC being next month where we'll get more WP news, and maybe new form factors (chassis 2 and 3?)
In the end, M$ needs to push really hard in getting the word out, I don't think much people even know about WP7 and what advantages it has over competing platforms. Once M$ can get more public awareness, will we see OEM's have more confidence in the platform, and produce more handsets.

We will see a lot more at MWC from WP7. CES is about a lot more than just phones, and is really a bad place to for a company like MS to focus on their phone platform. MWC is the proper stage to do that, and they will.
I think we see the big news being CDMA phones; and secondary to that will be the first update (either just released or to be released very soon), hints at the next update(s), and a glimpse of WP7 phones to be released this summer. Anymore, phones have about a 6 month cycle, so by summer the first release of WP7 handsets will be due for updates.

pjcforpres said:
I think we see the big news being CDMA phones;
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I'm not sure why people think MS will announce anything CDMA-related there. MWC is an international event and for the past number of years, almost every single phone announced there was GSM-only (i.e. requires SIM card).
MS could just drop some general info about when CDMA phones will be available, but I seriously doubt they will go into any further details and will instead launch more devices for international markets.

OGCF said:
Besides that, I'm expecting Sprint and Verizon to have their WP7s by April and the second generation of handsets sometime between August and November.
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i really really really really hope that is not the case. Give me something HPSA+ capabilities soooon.

Kontagious said:
i really really really really hope that is not the case. Give me something HPSA+ capabilities soooon.
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This coming update will provide drivers for the new snapdragon chips. The ones that are capable of 14.4 mpbs down. I am guessing we will have HSPA+ really soon.

my two cents about wp7 and nodo update

I've been sitting on the sidelines not being vocal, but I think there's something we need to consider...
When we got our wp7 phones we need what features were lacking. If you didn't you should have done some research before you bought the phone. Wp7 is still in its infancy and expect there to be bugs and problems. If you wanted something more concrete should have stick with your iphone or Android. For what we do have everything seems to run pretty smooth.
Im not going to lie, but I curious about the nodo update. But im glad I haven't received it. Because then our phones will be locked and the homebrew segment and actual limited customization will be gone. Until someone of course finds a work around. And someone always does. And honestly, on your old phones how many of you even knew it had a copy.paste feature? Instead of focusing on nodo update which doesn't really do much, except speed up our phones, why no concentrate more on mango! Mango is the update that we all should want! Just my two cents. Btw i use a HTC hd7 on tmobile USA and its done everything i wanted without any problems!

I think people are focusing on Nodo because it's the 1st update and it will give us an idea about how Microsoft will handle the platform.
If they can't even handle a small update with almost nothing in it, this is worrying for the future. If they need 5 months to release such a small update, when will we get Mango? it's nice to make big promises about Mango but I'm starting to believe Thurrott when he says 2012 when you consider Microsoft's pace. I couldn't care less about Nodo, I don't use C&P that much and it doesn't fix the bugs people really care about like Live Tiles and push notifications not working. It only fixes one bug and that's the marketplace one.
And how long until we stop saying "they've just started, give them time"? After 6 months they should be about to deliver their 2nd update and be talking about the next one. Even if it's in 3 months, at least talk about it! They act like they don't give a sh*t and I'm sure soon people will start trading their phones and go back to Android/iOS.

That's true too. But considering this is their first update we can't assume things will be perfect. Now if the next major update rolls out and there's still issues with updating I for would question Microsoft. But I see your point of view. Perhaps Microsoft was releasing this small update to see how their update system would work? Dunno, but don't give up on Microsoft just yet. Trust me, I miss my android G2, but my wp7 phone hasn't let me done yet. And I was just thinking, do we really need multitasking? That could open up a whole new can of worms.

A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.

vetvito said:
A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.

z33dev33l said:
I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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Same here. I'm really starting to get worried that it'll be like everyone feared.
Oh well, I really thought they would up their game with this.
Still a great phone, just now I know it won't be supported.

I'm still not quite sure what carriers have to do with updating the phone. The update comes through Zune. C&P can't screw up a network, neither can the marketplace not crashing all the time.
In other words, this update fiasco is purely MS's fault.
Be it that they didn't make a better deal with carriers, they underestimated logistics, they haven't been forthright with customers, it is the fault of MS.
On the other hand. If you bought the phone because some said someone at MS said an update was coming out soon that would add C&P, I can see how you'd be pissed off, but you'd still be silly for buying a phone based on a rumor as opposed to its merits, which are plentiful.
My problem with this whole thing is:
1/. If MS was gonna stay mum and not update us on the delays, they should've STFU all the way until they announced a concrete date for the update.
2/. If MS was gonna talk about updates, they should've kept us posted all the way instead of tidbits here and there.
The way their going about it making it so some can't even recommend WP7 because of this update fiasco. I mean, since when couldn't MS send out bug fixes? I get one almost every week for my PC and that OS is way more complicated than a phone OS.

That's so true. They shouldn't make promises they can't keep. And if they say something and it dont go right atleast keep us in the loop. I also agree its hard to reccomend a phone where the support from Microsoft seems to be very spotty. So my question is, is it still too early to tell the future of wp7? I guess now I can understand why some people are asking about trying to dual boot on our phones. So is it the carriers fault, Microsoft fault, or the OEMs hardware fault we're not getting updates? And since we have to update through Zune, what do the carriers have anything to do with the updates?

I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.

hassia said:
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.

Peew971 said:
Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.

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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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The messed up part is that this is an advantage.
While they were ironing out whatever back-alley deals they had to iron out with the carriers, they could've been taking notes on what actual people in the know on forums like these had to ***** about.
They could've then slipped a few of the fixes, swapped a few 1s with 0s in the code, tweaked it around just a bit to make the OS even better.
Instead, we're going to get the update verbatim, the geek world is going to laugh and MS is gonna wonder where it all went wrong for the umpteenth time.

Probably just a reiteration of what others have said, but nonetheless my opinion. Microsoft first said that the NoDo update would be coming early next year so most people assumed January, than they said late February (I think they did), then it was early March, and now its late March. This update merely adds copy + paste (along with a few bugfixes, one of which ISN'T for the camera) and that is a very basic feature! Apple just released iOS 4.3 (which updated the Safari javascript engine and some other stuff) AHEAD of schedule by 2 days and Microsoft keeps pushing back a minor update by weeks.
I'm pissed because I want WP7 to succeed. I used the device and I loved the device, but it's not nearly as good as its competitors as a whole. If Microsoft doesn't figure out what their doing WP7 will fail.

The general rule is you NEVER buy a phone based on what is "coming". You always buy based on what is in the phone when you bought it. I went through the same crap with blackberry, promising an os update to the storm 2 series. When OS6 came out they were like nope, not supporting that handset. Go buy a the touch.
I'm very satisfied with the Samsung Focus I have now, any future updates is just icing on the cake. You'll be sorely disappointed if you buy things based on promises

Sorry I will have to reiterate my post 'normal consumers' want to play music,surf the web play youtube and games most will not use copy and paste that is just a fact. I work in a theater with a varied range of people most do not even know they have copy and paste capabilities.

MIX'11 Official Announcements

Some good stuff coming up but having to wait for Fall is painful. They should have at least one update in the meantime to fix some of the known bugs.
Bummer.
WPCentral Summary of the keynote: http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-keynote-summarised
Demos from MIX 11 by Channel9: http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Windows-Phone-7/Windows-Phone-7-Announcements--Demos-from-MIX-11-with-Joe-Belfiore
Engadget report with video: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/this-is-windows-phone-next-developers-take-notes-video/
New Chassis unveiled: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/04/14/new-windows-phone-7-chassis-unveiled-msm7x30-and-msm8x55/

Everything anybody has asked for - both user and developer side - were announced with the exception of voice navigation... I feel a lot of things have still been left unannounced... But wow, Joe's presentation was amazing tbh

Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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While I understand the frustration... I think that's a bit extreme. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt it'll take til Mango for a patch

You wanna take that bet? I say no patch before Mango, that's a sure win.
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I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met

Is anyone going to consolidate all the WP7 anouncements from MiX11???
Or can someone post a link so other people can see some of the GREAT stuff thats coming to WP7

I was going to do that but I haven't seen a link with everything yet.

One interesting thing I picked up on Ch9Live was someone asked if Devs will get access to Mango on thier phones before its release.
The answer was that they are committed that registered developers with dev unlocked phones will have access to mango. They havent solved it yet, but are absolutly commited to it.

Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
Sent from my Omnia 7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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lol @ resetting phone every few weeks

It's hard to consolidate everything because, frankly, that was a lot of info. And, furthermore, there's a lot to come yet - like it was mentioned briefly that there will be new pickers and choosers, but which ones is to be announced later.

Yeah, I think it will be a while before all the relivent info is pulled togather from MiX11.
I for one am quite excited about what snipits i've read so far with what is coming to WP7.
I used to be an android user back in the 1.6 hero day and saw how android has developed into arguable the biggest and best OS in smartphones.
I genuinly believe WP7 has the potential to challenege RiM, Apple, and Android and with all these great noises coming out from MiX 11 maybe just maybe it could dominate the WWWWWWWWORLD......MMMMMMMWAAAHAHAHAHA.....

One interesting point is that the dev tools for Mango are due to be released next month. In the Q&A session afterwards it was mentioned that a Mango build will be made available for developer-unlocked devices to allow testing of apps with the new SDK.

Microsoft is back on the track,these new features are amasing,very exciting about the conference today by joe belfiore

Good info here...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/Mango-new-version-of-Windows-Phone-arriving-this-fall.php

So 6 months from now to update (Fall there is September, right?). If this is right, I'm assuming that the update is about to arrive at October.
The problem with that, is wait for new APIs. I want Whatsapp!
Ah, btw, nothing was mentioned about Windows Live Messenger. That is sad.

whats this live tiles thjing about? My HTC doesnt have this problem, is it specific mobiles?

spliffmonkey187 said:
I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.

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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Hehe crow bar to the head of any one operating inefficiently would be my rememdy as well But joking aside, you do have a point in that the "coming soon" or "TBA" or "TDA" of alot of things to do with WP7 is frustrating. I think the only way consumers can ensure MS stays on track and does release any information is to keep asking "when will feature A or B be released" or "when is patch D going to be pushed out" it may be subtle but negative press that is garnered by constant negative exposure does help companies see where they are doing things wrong and where they can fix things.
WP7 after Mango is released and implemented will mark a milestone in its growth. It will no longer have the excuse "we are the new kid on the block and need time to catch up" no, after Mango they have to focus their efforts on improving communication with operators and oems so updates push out better, faster and efficiently, this Pre-Nodo/NoDo fiasco will not look good in 2012 if say the next batch of update (Guava, Tomato or whatever it will called) encounters nodo problems in a post mango age.
So for now let keep those crow bars under the bed and in a few months if no changes then we can make a field trip down to redmond with crow bars in hand Piaqt

Anyone know what phone he was using for showing the gyro api? Was it the htc pro or hd7? Do our phones have gyro sensors built in?
Btw, loved the presentation , the quantas app was brilliant

Windows Phone Mango released to manufacturing (RTM)

Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/

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Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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a subject already exist http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170721&page=2
but great news for us

Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.

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Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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we can hope that got it earlier
http://www.wpcentral.com/ATT-dell-venue-pro-not-shipping-till-8-30-getting-mango-speculation

"fall" is only two months away, as of tomorrow. Just to keep things in perspective.
It seems reasonable to expect the testing and certification by phone manufacturers and carriers to take at least two months, which would be consistent with all of the timelines that have been "leaked" over the past few months. Many rumors indicated that Mango would RTM in July (which it has), and that new Mango-equipped hardware would begin to hit retailers by late August/early September (which also appears to be accurate - remember, no one ever said they would be available worldwide at that time).
Add in another month to complete manufacturer/carrier testing for existing devices, and deal with the logistical issues around preparing for the distribution, and people on reasonable carriers could easily start seeing the update on their phones in early October. People on AT&T will probably see it by June of next year.

Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.

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Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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it is now

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-mango-released-to-manufacturing.aspx

I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.

Demaar said:
I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
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how will hoping you know about the direction of wind help mango leak?!
i will hope in vain as well, but maybe we'll get lucky and it will leak out (or even be released in short order)
wasn't that new toshiba phone msft is showing today/tomorrow supposed to be running mango?

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Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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Well, it looks like you got more time. Only 4 days worth, but still...
Seriously, though, It seems obvious now that the code was already frozen when the original report "leaked", but that the hand-off to handset makers and operators was not complete. Now it is.
So, we are still on track (barring ridiculous manufacturer/carrier delays) to see people actually receive the update by late September/early October. And, if Nokia does have hardware ready to go (which seems evident), we may see Mango-equipped new phone models very quickly.

kinda news ?
i was expecting more today, like a NEW mango finalized device displayed somewhere..
is this only a rtm announcement ?
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
...waiting for some hard news...

I'm hoping that I'll connect to Zune soon and see that an update is available. I'd like full Twitter integration in my Mango.

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anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.

This is fantastic. Like others Im hoping someone leaks the latest build so XDA members can get their fingers dirty.

RoboDad said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products, and could care less about an update that will -not- sell another contract/phone to existing customers. an iphone hardware update on the other hand, oh yes yes yes, they love that stuff.
i did see a couple of blog posts (via my android news aggregator) stating that there would be a mango hardware unveil today, along with the rtm statement. apparently, bloggers jumped the gun, again.
the rtm statement is really a non-news worthy event. "we released something to someone, so sometime soon you might have a something for your phone. maybe." really that's all it is.
now HARDWARE... that's something i can understand there being threads and news about. say, searay or whatever the supposed new SHIPPING device is, that's news.
anyway, back to my jonesing for new tech... maybe endgadget or someone has some cool news... rss update time

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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products
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Pushing products in a store and pushing updates to existing phones have nothing to do with each other. So I still don't understand your original question about carriers pushing the update to our phones. They don't push the update, Microsoft does.

[Rumor] Mango to be released next week.

According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.

dkp1977 said:
According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.
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Some said 15th earlier, which is on next week's Thursday. I hope this is true. Time for me to play those registry tricks to see if I can install extra languages.
But not sure if DVP will follow this schedule.......

The way Microsoft and reliable sources are talking, it seems as though Microsoft may have used some of its strength on carriers and we'll see a much more expedited release. That isn't to say some, or many, won't be delayed, but I doubt it'll be a NoDo type delay.

I will be amazed if my phone gets the update this side of Christmas and I refuse to het my hopes up

SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?

Strike_Eagle said:
SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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Yup, that's why we were supposed to back up our backup.

I think this time around, once MS announces the Mango update rollout schedule, most of the devices will get it fairly quickly. MS should have learnt a thing or two from the NoDo episode.
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@Henry I think Dell may be on board. I called last week about a replacement DVP and was told they were out of stock and to call back Sep 16 to get my replacement shipped out.
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Keep in mind, The marketplace started accepting apps for Mango a few weeks ago. No Dev is going to release new apps for NoDO when Mango will offer more features in the API and everyone should have it soon.
Microsoft has a big push in getting Mango in everyone's hands ASAP.
The question is, how it will be done, the leaked roms from HTC are making people nuke their phones to install it, most carriers are going to want people to do it as a upgrade, because of data loss=support nightmare.
Time will tell but, I will bet it will be within the next 2 weeks for 90% of the carriers (huge carriers almost 99%)

Sadly MS is highly unpredictable. There was an overflow of rumors and statements made about the condition of WP7 upon initial release, which panned out to be false. Then there was another wildly overflowing number of rumors and statements made about the release of NoDo. NoDo was finally released when nobody really even cared anymore.
Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.

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SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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entire thread devoted to that question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257690
going by snickler's post there is a chance that we might not have to roll back if on 7220.68. Only time will tell...

Still on 7712 here. Didn't get the unofficial 7720 because not much is different in it. Im hoping I don't have to go back to nodo. Even though I have a backup (multiple in fact) its just annoying to lose my settings from mango. hopefully I can go from 7712 to official mango
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7712 directly to official is highly unlikely as 7712 is beta and in the beta que. As has been said, 7720.68 may be back into the official release que (carrier and oem updates seem to come through) so a 7712 to 7720.68 to official release just might be a feasible update path that doesn't lose anything. Time will tell.
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Have to agree with martylk, even if Microsoft get mango out this week, the carriers will svree things up for sure.
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Microsoft completed Mango in July. What we are waiting on right now is the carriers (and handset makers, although it does appear that most/all of them are done now). If a release is announced in the coming days, it will be because the carriers have completed their testing and possible changes, and submitted whatever they have back to Microsoft, not because we are still waiting on them.

Yep if telenav breaks all the customers get boned cause the carrier wants their 9.99/mo... Its pretty sad, but I'm starting to think about dropping my smartphones (4 a dumbphone) and getting a 7" tab to save money and not have to deal with that in th future. this seems not o be worth it anymore...
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Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.
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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.

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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.
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Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.

Info released today: http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=21053&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32754&mapcode=consumer%7Cmobile-devices
AT&T will be among the first carriers to start updating existing phones and all Windows Phones already sold by AT&T will receive the Windows Phone 7.5 update this fall.
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MartyLK said:
Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.
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I did a Google search and all I found was officially "fall" + a lot of rumors.
If you show me a link I might stand corrected though.