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HTC Desire with Android 2.1(NO SENSE UI)

Hi there!
I'm pretty much a newbie at Android(actually, I'm more like an upcoming newbie, cause I don't have any phones with Android yet).
In my case I am going to buy either the "Google Nexus One" or the "HTC Desire". I prefer the interface of the Desire, but I have tried my friends HTC Hero, and came to HATE the HTC Sense UI.
Therefore, I wonder if there is a simple way to get the original Android OS 2.1 onto the HTC Desire.
Yes, I've heard of Launcher2.apk(or whatever it's called), but that's not what I'm lookin' for. I want to simply replace the HTC Sense with Android OS 2.1, so that I can enjoy the hardware buttons and feel of Desire - and the simplicity and originality of Android OS 2.1. And if it's possible, then I want to have the stock version of Android OS 2.1 - NOT A MOD OF IT.
As long as there is no need for extracting files in Linux(I have both Windows and Mac) and no need for any coding or such things, then I'm capable of doing it. If you can, please post a rating of how simple it is(1 to 10, where one is dead simple).
Last thing - will the optical trackpad(or any of the hardware stuff) work with Android OS 2.1?
Thanks!

knowsbest said:
Hi there!
I'm pretty much a newbie at Android(actually, I'm more like an upcoming newbie, cause I don't have any phones with Android yet).
In my case I am going to buy either the "Google Nexus One" or the "HTC Desire". I prefer the interface of the Desire, but I have tried my friends HTC Hero, and came to HATE the HTC Sense UI.
Therefore, I wonder if there is a simple way to get the original Android OS 2.1 onto the HTC Desire.
Yes, I've heard of Launcher2.apk(or whatever it's called), but that's not what I'm lookin' for. I want to simply replace the HTC Sense with Android OS 2.1, so that I can enjoy the hardware buttons and feel of Desire - and the simplicity and originality of Android OS 2.1. And if it's possible, then I want to have the stock version of Android OS 2.1 - NOT A MOD OF IT.
As long as there is no need for extracting files in Linux(I have both Windows and Mac) and no need for any coding or such things, then I'm capable of doing it. If you can, please post a rating of how simple it is(1 to 10, where one is dead simple).
Last thing - will the optical trackpad(or any of the hardware stuff) work with Android OS 2.1?
Thanks!
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If you don't like the Sense UI then why not buy the N1 instead? It would be easier, carry warranty and so what you want it to do. The track ball over the optical mouse is not enough to warrant you bricking your phone to remove Sense UI from your device.
I happen to think that the Sense UI is what makes the Desire more Desirable than the N1. I know that I can get an N1 now and root it then place the Desire Sense UI on it but why?

If you don't like the Sense UI then why not buy the N1 instead? It would be easier, carry warranty and so what you want it to do. The track ball over the optical mouse is not enough to warrant you bricking your phone to remove Sense UI from your device.
I happen to think that the Sense UI is what makes the Desire more Desirable than the N1. I know that I can get an N1 now and root it then place the Desire Sense UI on it but why?
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Yeah I see your point, and honestly I do agree with you - BUT - I think that the Desire looks so much better, and at the same time it has the buttons that aint touch capasative(I hate touch capasative buttons ).
Why I'm really asking this is that I am going to buy a phone that I can have for a long time(not like my iPhone 3G). Therefore I want to buy a phone that will not annoy me in any way.
But, if it's not worth taking the chance, then, damn it, I'll just have to go for the Nexus One.

why do you hate Sense UI, because of the "look" or because of the HTC Apps (like Contacts, Photos etc..).
Deactivation of Sense UI is no problem at all, getting rid of the HTC Programs is a (big) problem and installing / finding the N1 counterparts is a problem too.
sry for my english

Once the phone is rooted properly then it will be possible to install a N1 stock rom.
I'd say for now just buy a Desire and use the Launcher2.apk method and wait patiently. The launcher 2 method is pretty decent for now!

mrmomoman said:
If you don't like the Sense UI then why not buy the N1 instead? It would be easier, carry warranty and so what you want it to do. The track ball over the optical mouse is not enough to warrant you bricking your phone to remove Sense UI from your device.
I happen to think that the Sense UI is what makes the Desire more Desirable than the N1. I know that I can get an N1 now and root it then place the Desire Sense UI on it but why?
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look dude theres a whole thread on this and the reasons range from it not being avalible easily in my country and the FACT that the desire is cheaper

slaming said:
look dude theres a whole thread on this and the reasons range from it not being avalible easily in my country and the FACT that the desire is cheaper
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yeah, same here, N1 aint available in my country yet... Still there is a way to get it(through JetCarrier), but it's a lot easier to buy the Desire.
But should it not be a way to install the system via the Android SDK?
Watercool: I just don't like anything about Sense. Not the apps, not the interface and not the widgets...

I'm with you on this. In fact, for the Desire is my first-ever Android phone, I have actually not yet seen Android's native interface, because it's concealed under the Sense!
I agree with you in not liking the Sense interface too much. I saw a Youtube clip showing what must have been a pre-sale sample of the phone, running HTC Sense and stock Android at the same time (i.e. you could easily switch between the two). It's a shame HTC has removed this option from the final product. Speaking of the company, I've been using HTC phones since as long as, maybe, 2000/02, and I really don't get this company sometimes, for all respect I have for them. They make peculiar design/usability decisions sometimes, and more often than not, not to the benefit of their customers, i.e. people who are their "bread and butter."

Congrats with the phone then! Just got my Nexus One too. Desided that it was worth to buy it, because of me getting the updates faster and a simpler and less bloated interface. Also sense has so many ugly sides(as your saying, when you talk about HTC'bad choices).
I am extremely satisfied with my phone, and will never be able to go back to my old iPhone 3GS. I'm actually writing with my Nexus right now!
But to be fair with both HTC and Google, I have to say that a little more from both worlds would be nice. For example is the widgets on Nexus One totally lame. I miss all the eidgets from my old HTC Tattoo, even though the phone itself sucked. Worst is: I can't buy any widgets from the market, since I'm in Norway... But again, I won't miss anything else from Sense. Stock Android mostly kicks it's ass!
Last thing that is a need for me, and that probably won't be fixed very soon, is bacground music control(as when you double click home button in iPhone, and get the previous/pause/next controles for the music app. If anyone know how to do that, please help me!!!!

dual-booter said:
I'm with you on this. In fact, for the Desire is my first-ever Android phone, I have actually not yet seen Android's native interface, because it's concealed under the Sense!
I agree with you in not liking the Sense interface too much. I saw a Youtube clip showing what must have been a pre-sale sample of the phone, running HTC Sense and stock Android at the same time (i.e. you could easily switch between the two). It's a shame HTC has removed this option from the final product. Speaking of the company, I've been using HTC phones since as long as, maybe, 2000/02, and I really don't get this company sometimes, for all respect I have for them. They make peculiar design/usability decisions sometimes, and more often than not, not to the benefit of their customers, i.e. people who are their "bread and butter."
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You can easily switch back to the native android Homescreen on the Desire.

speedking34 said:
You can easily switch back to the native android Homescreen on the Desire.
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Well then don't keep it to yourself?! How?

knowsbest said:
Well then don't keep it to yourself?! How?
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Help yourself USE SEARCH <<< Its what it was made for.
It has been discussd many times across multipul post, in multipul guides.
Dont be so lazy!

HTC concerned about "user experience"

After contacting HTC regarding FroYo, I was told that the decision whether or not to offer it for devices is based on how they are weighing up the impacts on user experience.
As far as I am aware, FroYo will offer extreme performance improvements over previous builds, and I fail to see how it could negatively impact this.
As for Desire and FroYo, they did of course totally avoid the question and gave no specific response relating to the Desire in any way, nor did they confirm that they will offer it for any devices at all, merely that it is being
"considered" for "some devices" according to the impact "user experience".
As the title suggests, this is not about "if" or "when" but about what exactly they think could be affected in terms of "user experience".

'Introducing the new HTC User Exprience: Sense'

DarkMio said:
'Introducing the new HTC User Exprience: Sense'
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I don't htink they were directly to sense. The rep I spoke to mentoned sense, but mentioned this in a different context. I think maybe they may have meant performance wise, once they integrate sense, will the phones really be able to handle FroYo.

alias_neo said:
I don't htink they were directly to sense. The rep I spoke to mentoned sense, but mentioned this in a different context. I think maybe they may have meant performance wise, once they integrate sense, will the phones really be able to handle FroYo.
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Obviously, Froyo would even run faster on a G1, because Froyo is just faster.

I think this means they'll thjnkk about upgrading for 6 months - then announce a delay.

I really shouldn't try to read too much into anything that HTC say about this.
Google's own devs have already gone on record to say that it is technically possible for a G1 to run Froyo (see here), but you can be almost 100% certain that there will never be an "official" port.
By being deliberately noncommittal, HTC can avoid accusations of reneging on promises, because they've thus far promised nothing.
Personally, I think it is reasonably certain that we will see Froyo on the Desire and the Legend in the relatively near future (I'm thinking end of August time frame).
I seriously doubt that any of their earlier phones will get an official update to Froyo, and that includes the Hero even though it is very similar hardware wise to the Legend.
Regards,
Dave

I think that HTC cannot loose their chance against Apple.
They cannot screw things up - Evo 4G flagship at Sprint probably will be the first with Froyo - otherwise people start buying iPhone 4G (seems Sprint is going to sell iPhone as well).
HTC Poland recently put their account on the facebook - they didn't expected that users will be with so negative feedback about their support and speed of software releases. I am not sure if such activities HTC did in other places, but phone market now is growing rapidly and if their dont release updates soon enough people like me will get Apple again

masi0 said:
I think that HTC cannot loose their chance against Apple.
They cannot screw things up - Evo 4G flagship at Sprint probably will be the first with Froyo - otherwise people start buying iPhone 4G (seems Sprint is going to sell iPhone as well).
HTC Poland recently put their account on the facebook - they didn't expected that users will be with so negative feedback about their support and speed of software releases. I am not sure if such activities HTC did in other places, but phone market now is growing rapidly and if their dont release updates soon enough people like me will get Apple again
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Well, the lady I spoke to said they have "learned" a lot from the updates they have released recently and will carry this forward when releasing future updates. As for apple, nothing, and I mean nothing, on this earth would make me go back to apple.

why is this in the development section? You have three other areas to post this in besides development!

1wayjonny said:
why is this in the development section? You have three other areas to post this in besides development!
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My bad, as I'm always developing or looking at development my bookmarks take me straight to dev section, I had entirely forgotten about the others.
MODS: Any change you could move this to general please?

I think you will almost certainly find that the "4G" in the iPhone 4G refers to the fact that it is the 4th iteration of the iPhone - not that it works on a 4G network.
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Dont apologise mate i thought your thread was interesting and informative
Dont appease these random trolls that think they moderate these forums! Let the mods do the moderating and we will do the grazing hahaha
The guy was a twat, he came on the thread where we are trying to port Froyo and said the same thing that this isnt a dev topic I mean it that isnt dev, then i will give up computers
Total waste of space!!!
JD

foxmeister said:
I think you will almost certainly find that the "4G" in the iPhone 4G refers to the fact that it is the 4th iteration of the iPhone - not that it works on a 4G network.
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You reckon?
Was there any evidence for this in the various tear downs that have popped up over the last month or so?
Suppose it would make sense from a business point of view. The world (and Europe in particular) isn't exactly overflowing with 4G networks right now.

While i dont always agree with what HTC say on this issue they do have a point with Froyo. If they launched an update tomorrow all hell would break loose. Half the apps in the market dont work with froyo right now, and people would happily swap out their SD card without realising it might mean they loose some apps that have moved.
The Nexus one is not the same beast, it is sold as a test bed in effect and users should expect issues, the Desire is a consumer device for the masses. HTC NEED to wait until the early issues are fixed otherwise they would be overwhelmed with support calls.

rovex said:
While i dont always agree with what HTC say on this issue they do have a point with Froyo. If they launched an update tomorrow all hell would break loose. Half the apps in the market dont work with froyo right now, and people would happily swap out their SD card without realising it might mean they loose some apps that have moved.
The Nexus one is not the same beast, it is sold as a test bed in effect and users should expect issues, the Desire is a consumer device for the masses. HTC NEED to wait until the early issues are fixed otherwise they would be overwhelmed with support calls.
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I agree in part, but I don't think Google are trying to market the Nexus as a dev phone. I know it is, but unlike the G1 they want it to be a competing consumer device.
I see what you mean now about the FroYo problems, but, not everybody frequent these forums as we do, the solution woul dbe a simple instruction list with the update, saying moving apps to your SD card would of course mean they're not available if you remove it. And I thought apps were restricted in visibility to OS version? I know my hero couldn't see half the new stuff when it was on 1.5.
Still, you make a valid point, just as a Computer Scientist and Electronic Engineer, I refuse to accept these as valid excuses on HTCs part.
I'v seen smaller teams do harder work with better results, in less time using fewer resources.

seriously ... sense isnt that good why cant htc jsut put there apps on the market .... and give ppl stock 2.2 and the choice

Not a very well worded post, but I kinda agree. I'd like the option of not having some of the apps. Things like Friendstream and Peep just aren't as good as the alternatives out there.
It'd be great if the Sense UI and apps were installed, but they sold the apps on the Market (obviously providing them free of charge with phones), and allowed the option of uninstalling them.

Sure everyone has choice, if you don't like the sense UI, you can choose nexus one, or MOTO, or Samsung, or LG, or whatever... what I don't understand is why people buy HTC phones, if they don't like sense UI in the first place. I don't think HTC can force you to do so, hehe
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Sent by winx199 via his HTC Desire

I had the option of getting a Nexus or Desire, and opted for the Desire mainly because it meant paying less per month. Since I'm a student until the Summer, and don't have a job to go into yet, this was a big factor.
I was also (wrongly) under the impression that you could switch Sense off if needed, as was shown on pre-release models.

You can easily disable the sense home. I currently run both helix launcher and sense and can choose which when I press home or set a default. As for sense/no sense, I think for me, it makes my Android phones. Couldn't live without it, even with the great launchers out there.
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Potential HTC Sense Leak?

I didn't actually see the Concept video, and it's currently blocked. But the commenters seemed to like it. Did anyone actually get to see it?
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Damn damn damn, HTC almost
just sold me on WP7! Damn that's nice! The animations are beautiful but a little extreme. They really used the live tiles!
The start screen is still fugly!
I'm sure I can mod the other tiles to match HTCs!
I watched it on my phone browser, try that.

I've seen the video. A bunch of useless stuff with tons of meaningful slow animations.

vetvito said:
I watched it on my phone browser, try that.
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You'll be able to in WP7. (not "in" the browser but it will play full screen seamlessly).

Looks cool to show off as eye candy but I'd probably end up removing them from the start screen. They just seem like to much useless animation and they don't really go with the WP7 UI.

vetvito said:
I watched it on my phone browser, try that.
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If I still had WM I would. iPhone offers a much better solution, and I viewed the video from an RSS feed in the video player. Looks like WP7 is going the same route, and I'm happy about it.
About this Sense leak, this would be the horrible reality if MS didn't forbid OEMs meddling with the UI. Luckily, they did and I won't have to tolerate this atrocity.

Its a concept ladies and gentlemen. Don't be so hard on them.

RustyGrom said:
You'll be able to in WP7. (not "in" the browser but it will play full screen seamlessly).
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I was just suggesting something to Gom999, sense he said it was blocked.

vetvito said:
Its a concept ladies and gentlemen. Don't be so hard on them.
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No, it´s real, i´ve got here http://www.pocketpt.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=32524

^ damn that's awesome!
I think it takes the same amount of time as any other transition on the OS, just my opinion.

Watched the (very distorted) video on my phone browser. I'm in two minds; cannot say really that I liked it BUT I grew to love HTC ginormous box of tricks. Got used to Sense on my HD2 and the integration of the new Sense with the WP7 tiles appeared not to work. Don't think it's the final version and wouldn't be amazed if it was actually leaked to gauge feedback. Having said that, this is the last shot I'll have at Windows; I know tha WP7 is a brand new OS and has nothing to do with WM. But if Microsoft does not manage to iron out everything that was wrong before and give me an excellent OS (not reasonable, not good, no acceptable) I'll be off to Androidland. Ballmer, it is your very last chance, ever!!! BTW, the Desire HD looks fantastic!
Well, well, well...
I have just seen Sense for WP7 on pocketpt.net ;-D
It is very fast, very responsive and surely will be tinkered even more before Oct 11. At long last, it looks like Microsoft is coming together - with W7, IE9 (Beta, still) and WP7. Let's just hope that the Marketplace looks more like a huge, luxurious shopping centre than a poor street stall.

There's just a ton of absolutely useless animations. Look at the Notes app. Do you really want to view that cartoon each time you need to make a quick note?

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^ damn that's awesome!
I think it takes the same amount of time as any other transition on the OS, just my opinion.
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I AGREE
I am impressed with htc sense so far. I think if anything htc sense will evolve next year. It's good htc will have snese
I like sense
now if only we can add walpapers on the start screen this would almost be perfect. I am very hopeful

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No, it´s real, i´ve got here http://www.pocketpt.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=32524
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What's the story behind the device? It's the Mozart? How'd you get it? Where's it headed? GSM I assume? When should we see a release?

That is an abomination on WP7 and if I am limited to an HTC devcie on T-Mobile that will be the first thing I remove, just as I did with my HD2. Utter rubbish.

I have to say this looks like a massive disappointment... Sense on my HD2 is very nice - better than stock hands down. On android it seems very nice too, from my limited experience with that. But this...
Completely out of place, over the top. One word: horrible.
Ok, two: unpack - disable

efjay said:
That is an abomination on WP7 and if I am limited to an HTC devcie on T-Mobile that will be the first thing I remove, just as I did with my HD2. Utter rubbish.
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It's a good thing that it's easy to completely remove.

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It's a good thing that it's easy to completely remove.
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Thats the only saving grace. Back to Metro!

ok, so we are waiting for new HTC sense on HD2
it's possible? What do you think?

The hd2 won't get any Support or Big update from htc... I my opinion. Its too old.

Google preparing for Gingerbread?

I don't usually like 'WHEN CAN I HAZ GINGERBREADZ?' but this is different.
According to a lot of Android people on Twitter, GMail, Phone, Contacts, Calendar and other G Apps are on the Market with a lot of speculation that it's preparation for better ota updates after Gingerbread.
What do you guys think?

Hepefull Gingerbread shall be here soon! Although now that the Desire HD and Z is coming out.. i think that they will get the ota before the nexus or our Desire.:/
Sent from my beloved hTc Desire!

even if we do not get an official release for our device , since the Desire has more HorsePower than the Z , i think a port can easily be made ( just a guess though )

SkyWalker1726 said:
even if we do not get an official release for our device , since the Desire has more HorsePower than the Z , i think a port can easily be made ( just a guess though )
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the desire dosent have more horsepower than the desire z, dont let the clockspeed fool you, the 2nd generation snapdragon in the desire z is quite a powerhouse, it like comparing a 4 gig core 2 duo to a 3 gig i7 cpu, even tho the core 2 duo has a higher clockspeed, the i7 would kick its ass ps keep your eye out for the htc glacier aka the t-mobile sapphier, its gunna be a beast with a 2gig dual core snapdragon

Can't wait for gingerbread

Probably we'll get Gingerbread too since our Desire meets the minimum requirements for it.. and since Google said that Gingerbread will make the custom UI's obsolete.. it all depends on Google i guess.. B-)
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chichoko said:
Probably we'll get Gingerbread too since our Desire meets the minimum requirements for it.. and since Google said that Gingerbread will make the custom UI's obsolete.. it all depends on Google i guess.. B-)
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Yeah, but it is still an HTC Device so the decision on any update in HTCs side. And why should they offer an OS without Sense...?

why are you so curious about it?
what will be new there? any flaws you have right now?
why so freaky about updates?

snudel said:
why are you so curious about it?
what will be new there? any flaws you have right now?
why so freaky about updates?
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It probobly wont even fit on to our desire.. the new sense doesnt so why would this.. ?
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!PANDA said:
It probobly wont even fit on to our desire.. the new sense doesnt so why would this.. ?
Sent from my beloved hTc Desire!
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The new Sense doesnt? Check this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788554 First ROM-Elements. Flashable via ADB. Only Camera isnt working correctly yet. Give it 7-10 days and you will have the first stable Desire HD ROM on your Desire Classic

!PANDA said:
Hepefull Gingerbread shall be here soon! Although now that the Desire HD and Z is coming out.. i think that they will get the ota before the nexus or our Desire.:/
Sent from my beloved hTc Desire!
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The nexus one will be the first to receive it.it is google's developers phone and it is stock vanilla.
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elburna said:
The new Sense doesnt? Check this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788554 First ROM-Elements. Flashable via ADB. Only Camera isnt working correctly yet. Give it 7-10 days and you will have the first stable Desire HD ROM on your Desire Classic
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whats that got to do with it?? it still dosent fit on our desire, 60% of the rom is symlinked to the sd card, while thats ok for ammusement, its not really a day to day option isit?? anyway it boils down to the fact that the desire wont get gingerbread officially, as far as technology goes, its now a generation behind the current level of devices and htc only support its current generation of devices ......

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Yeah, but it is still an HTC Device so the decision on any update in HTCs side. And why should they offer an OS without Sense...?
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They will offer a Sense-less update because.. Google says so? Just sayin..
Google said they will cut off any custom UI made for the Android post-Gingerbread because it makes the ROM's getting deployed later than the Nexus just because of the customizations every damn company makes.. Im not saying that Sense sucks.. it has the most beautiful widgets in the world.. but i vote for stock Android with downloadable widgets than waiting for half a year to get 3.0 only to realize that 5.x+ is already out...
From the yet unofficial info we have about Gingerbread.. it is stated that the next version of Android wont have any custom OEM UI built on it.. so it wont be on HTC to decide wether we'll have it since it will be the same for all future Gingerbread compatible phones.. It will be just like the Nexus.. as soon as it gets released.. we could have it.. But still we have little info about it.. but im pretty sure we'll have it if the minimum requirements remain the same we know atm..

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They will offer a Sense-less update because.. Google says so? Just sayin..
Google said they will cut off any custom UI made for the Android post-Gingerbread because it makes the ROM's getting deployed later than the Nexus just because of the customizations every damn company makes.. Im not saying that Sense sucks.. it has the most beautiful widgets in the world.. but i vote for stock Android with downloadable widgets than waiting for half a year to get 3.0 only to realize that 5.x+ is already out...
From the yet unofficial info we have about Gingerbread.. it is stated that the next version of Android wont have any custom OEM UI built on it.. so it wont be on HTC to decide wether we'll have it since it will be the same for all future Gingerbread compatible phones.. It will be just like the Nexus.. as soon as it gets released.. we could have it.. But still we have little info about it.. but im pretty sure we'll have it if the minimum requirements remain the same we know atm..
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you have got that so wrong lol htc has already confirmed that it will be keeping sence with gingerbread, android is open source google has no right to impose such restrictions on oem version of android, the gpl that comes with android states that anyone has the rite to modify and distribute android as they see fit.

here is a quote from Drew Bamford, who heads HTC’s user experience design team. “Google may focus more on improving the user interface on the stock Android [software], but I don’t think they’ll preclude manufacturer customization.”

If Googles idea is to make all UI overlays obsolete, then Android will be on the same lines as iOS in the sense that its just one experience.
Yeah, its still customizable, but handset makers won't be as interested imo.

Currently, Gingerbread is being worked on to get it out as fast as they can, by Q4 2010. Mainly because nV has delayed all Tegra 2 design wins for the year due to OS problems and they're now totally banking on Gingerbread for Q4 launches, the prime of which are HTC designs. Earlier, I was excepting a mid Q1 2011 product launch for the first Gingerbread devices but right now, I'm expecting to see the first in Q4 2010. No idea when mobile designs will ship or get hit with it. N1 I'd expect the same quarter.
I'm 100% sure Google contrasted themselves with Apple not long back that the whole point and benefit in open source is inclusivity of partner development and the diversity and richness it brings, not exclusivity.
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Purely from the rumours ive been reading till now abou GB, it was stated that Google wanted to mark GB as a landmark OS which will divide the low end devices from the high end ones. It is said that the 2.x version will be targeted at the lower end devices while 3.x will be the future of the OS. Hence the minimum requirements it is said they implied (1ghz cpu, 3.5 inch display and at least 512 ram).
And it is also said that the custom UI's wont be needed because of the overhauled Android UI. HTC can always boast about its widgets i guess.. those most likely wont be affected in any way and will remain a part where any individual OEM manufacturer can provide some level os uniqueness.
While i know this isnt anything official to be believed in, by personal preference only id like it to be true because it is plain stupid to have to wait 3+ months for an update just because i have a Custom UI from HTC or Samsung or whatever..
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

AndroHero said:
you have got that so wrong lol htc has already confirmed that it will be keeping sence with gingerbread, android is open source google has no right to impose such restrictions on oem version of android, the gpl that comes with android states that anyone has the rite to modify and distribute android as they see fit.
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Only the Linux kernel is GPL'd - Android itself is not released under the GPL - it is released under the Apache Software License (ASL).
There is something that Google can do to stop ISVs (if it so desires) and that is to refuse to license GApps to them. I don't think it would happen, but Google do have some leverage here.
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Dave

foxmeister said:
Only the Linux kernel is GPL'd - Android itself is not released under the GPL - it is released under the Apache Software License (ASL).
There is something that Google can do to stop ISVs (if it so desires) and that is to refuse to license GApps to them. I don't think it would happen, but Google do have some leverage here.
Regards,
Dave
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sorry i assumed android was covered under the gpl and the only restriction google imposed was that any modifed version of android was distributed with all the google legal information, as for not licensing GApps to htc .... i think they call that commercial suicide lol

would it be possible to get windows mobile 7 working?

I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me

Then you will have to wait for verizon to have a WP7 Phone. Even if a rom was somehow ported over and made to work with the Increbile, it would be very limited, and it's already been said that the xbox live function would not be able to work. I don't have the link for it but a quick google search should net you that information.

Bobboman said:
I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me
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Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.

it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG

Bobboman said:
it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG
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I had the same issue. The trick to miui is using the aosp elements theme. No more iPhoney icons.
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There is a WP7 theme, if you just want the look. The info is in Android Themes and Apps.

AlpineM3 said:
Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.
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Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).

najaboy said:
Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).
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Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.

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Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.
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No bashing here. Some rabid purists would say, "If you want the ____ experience, you should buy a ____ phone". Hell, one of the main bennies of our phones is customization.
Like I said though, it would be possible for someone with talent (that I admittantly lack) to come up with a similar UI. But without access to source, porting the functionality that we'd want from WP7 isn't especially probable.

thanks for explaining that najaboy i figured that it was as simple as getting ahold of stock windows mobile 7 giving it the Inc drivers and going from there
i saw that the HD2 is running it so i thought it might be possible to bring it to the inc even with basic functionality if i knew how to even attempt it i would my self
and yea themeing is not something i'm interested in, i do like the stock look of android but windows mobile 7 would be fun to play with i think
and saying if you like it so much why don't you buy it is such a stupid thing to say as 1) verizon doesn't have it and 2) when i upgraded to the incredible windows mobile 7 wasn't even out yet