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Windows Phone 7 Should Have Customizable Wallpaper

I know this has been discussed before.
But have a look at this!
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-should-have-customizable-wallpaper
If you like it, post a comment on pocketnow, lets make some waves so that MS can hear us.
They have allready made som other changes according to our wishes, so there is still hope.

Yes, I think there should be more options to customize the homepage.
Transparent tiles & Wallpapers spring to mind. But I don't think this is a case of them not wanting to offer things of that nature, I just think that level of customization is out of the scope of this phase.
Edit: I think it should exist, but personally I'd probably disable the transparent tiles. I'd probably use a wallpaper.

I like the black background. With a amoled it will look very good.
And the black Background is metro... And i like it ^^

I can't really see the point of wallpaper on the home screen. The tiles take up too much space and it would just clutter a nice clean interface.

I would love to have a wallpaper and the tiles half transparent.

I thought it would look ugly- but that dosn't look half bad- is it possible to develop an app which does this or wouldn't Mircosoft allow it?

I really like this. I'm hoping that we see this added in the first revision of the OS. The more customization options the better.

Wallpapers not featuring in this release doesn't mean that they aren't coming. Loads of stuff (actually, most of the stuff people critisize) has been left out for time constraints rather than as a design decision. I expect that includes wallpapers, it seems like an obvious thing.

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jakem said:
I can't really see the point of wallpaper on the home screen. The tiles take up too much space and it would just clutter a nice clean interface.
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are you even serious..."face palm".
typical damn winmo fanboy response, jesus some of you will defend this piece of crap phone till the end. yet another reason this device will FAIL and why i wouldn't use one if i got one for free.
who the heck is microsoft to tell me how to use my phone? i cannot believe these are the same people who gave us the masterpiece that is windows 7. this wp7 will do worse than the palm pre/pixi did.

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cheyne1 said:
Your a f***n idiot plain and simple. Get a Fu**n life seriously cuz u act like u have nothing to do but talk **** for whatever reason God only knows. As far as I know your messing with android anyways so myob. It just looks like your coming over here to mess with people but if u acted like this to people in person you would get your ass whooped.... little *****. You are one of the people that are completely worthless as far as these forums go so if u get that damn bored that u need to act like a little ***** to people u should probably kill yourself.
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lmao...did i strike a nerve? because i spoke the truth, deal with it.
and for your info, this has NOTHING to do with droid, im talking about how locked down this phone will be. it's worse than the iphone, learn to read before you respond.

fixxxer2008 said:
are you even serious..."face palm".
typical damn winmo fanboy response, jesus some of you will defend this piece of crap phone till the end. yet another reason this device will FAIL and why i wouldn't use one if i got one for free.
who the heck is microsoft to tell me how to use my phone? i cannot believe these are the same people who gave us the masterpiece that is windows 7. this wp7 will do worse than the palm pre/pixi did.
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I think your comment is a bit over the top...quite silly actually...
Will you be coming back here to eat your own words...
WP7 looks pretty sweet to me...with all the money and marketing they are putting into this it would be a long shot for it to fail...
LIP

lip said:
I think your comment is a bit over the top...quite silly actually...
Will you be coming back here to eat your own words...
WP7 looks pretty sweet to me...with all the money and marketing they are putting into this it would be a long shot for it to fail...
LIP
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i was an avid winmo user for years. wp7 not only looks like utter crap but it's more locked down than any phone ive seen. not being able to set my own theme or wallpaper is beyond ridiculous. this has nothing to do with me being a current android user. i just do not see this phone doing well until a crap load of changes are made, maybe by the devs. BUT from what i understand the devs won't be able to do much to it anyways. if i could shut off metro completely i may look into the phone just for the specs alone. most people i talk to agree 100% even loyal winmo devs. it's gonna take alot more than what wp7 currently has to offer to bring me back or most of the devs that defected to android. an believe me alot of them moved to android.

cheyne1 said:
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pwnd!
10char...blah, blah!

i have a zune hd. that's quite similar to wp7. Some time ago I did see an app that draws a background. Maybe something like that will come to wp7 too

WP7, what a let down

I am writing this now on a handset which has really not lived up to all its hype, for me anyway.
I received the Samsung Omnia 7 last Monday, and while it was amazing for the first couple of days, once the novelty factor of the UI wore off I've been getting more and more android withdrawal symptoms.
Don't get me wrong, its a very nice phone but for me let down by the OS. WP7 looked like the perfect OS but after a weeks use its just not right for me. I'll list my personal pros and cons:
PROS
•Keyboard is great
•Live tiles are a joy and really set your phone apart from the rest
•Internet Explorer is great
CONS
•Battery life is dreadful
•No flash support
•Lack of C&P
•Wifi connectivity issues, can't use FB without data connection on even with full WiFi lock, same issue with IE and twitter
•Lack of customisation options
•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
I know some of the cons will be fixed with updates but I just can't see myself loving this phone like I did my previous one. I'll be phoning Orange tomorrow and hopefully exchanging this for the HTC Desire HD, which my friend has and is an amazing phone.
I might come back to WP7 or WP8 or whatever the update is called, as once the necessary functionality is there coupled with the lovely UI, it'll be and OS to be reckoned with.
Peace WP7 users. I may see you again some day

wwfc said:
I am writing this now on a handset which has really not lived up to all its hype, for me anyway.
I received the Samsung Omnia 7 last Monday, and while it was amazing for the first couple of days, once the novelty factor of the UI wore off I've been getting more and more android withdrawal symptoms.
Don't get me wrong, its a very nice phone but for me let down by the OS. WP7 looked like the perfect OS but after a weeks use its just not right for me. I'll list my personal pros and cons:
PROS
•Keyboard is great
•Live tiles are a joy and really set your phone apart from the rest
•Internet Explorer is great
CONS
•Battery life is dreadful
•No flash support
•Lack of C&P
•Wifi connectivity issues, can't use FB without data connection on even with full WiFi lock, same issue with IE and twitter
•Lack of customisation options
•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
I know some of the cons will be fixed with updates but I just can't see myself loving this phone like I did my previous one. I'll be phoning Orange tomorrow and hopefully exchanging this for the HTC Desire HD, which my friend has and is an amazing phone.
I might come back to WP7 or WP8 or whatever the update is called, as once the necessary functionality is there coupled with the lovely UI, it'll be and OS to be reckoned with.
Peace WP7 users. I may see you again some day
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While I still find my HD7 an excellent WP7 phone, and still love WP7, your choice of alternatives is excellent. I'm using DesireHD on my HD2 and it is a sweet build. I love the skin feature. The "Wildflower" skin is one of my favorites followed by "Metal". The hardware looks sweet too.

good luck
especially with DesireHD
but beware of battery of it
it's much more dreadful compare to WP7 phone

Btw im planning on buying a 1500mah battery for the desire HD (fiver from eBay), hopefully the battery life won't be as awful as reviewers make out thanks for your comments

CONS
•Battery life is dreadful
Compared to what? My Samsung Focus gets better battery life than the HTC Fuze it replaced and I do a lot more with it.
•No flash support
It's coming
•Lack of C&P
It's coming
•Wifi connectivity issues, can't use FB without data connection on even with full WiFi lock, same issue with IE and twitter
•Lack of customisation options
What do you want to customize?
•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
Is this a joke? Give examples.
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
Nothing Microsoft can do about pricing and has nothing to do with the platform.

Good luck. I can guarantee you the Desire HD has a worse display, worse battery life and is a lot slower due to HTC's android bloatware. I had one for a few weeks but couldnt stand it.
Anyway, if you like it better, then chances are WP7 isn't for you.

wwfc said:
Btw im planning on buying a 1500mah battery for the desire HD (fiver from eBay), hopefully the battery life won't be as awful as reviewers make out thanks for your comments
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If what the other posters are saying about the DesireHD is true, I highly recommend obtaining an HTC HD2 and using the DesireHD build with it instead of the actual DesireHD. You get all the goodness of DesireHD with better battery life and a better screen. Everything works on it too. Plus, if you get bored, you can make it into any of the other Android phones out which have a build made of them. You also get Nexus S Gingerbread goodness if you want.
The builds in my sig are pretty much perfection.

wwfc said:
•Not really practical, takes too long to get simple things done
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
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I have to say this is surprising. I find getting anything done is faster than any other platform.
There are already over 5000 apps!

Ren13B said:
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
Nothing Microsoft can do about pricing and has nothing to do with the platform.
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that's not entirely true. MS needs to open up the system a bit more by providing a lot more APIs for the different parts of the phone. PIM, Video recording, and Compass are just some examples where there are no current APIs yet, but when introduce open up a whole lot of new possibilities for apps.
And as for games, you need to look at it in terms of age of the game. Acreed is an example where on the iOS it's a lot cheaper, but that's because it's been on the iOS market for 2+ years, and only just entered WP market. Give it 2 years and it will be the same price. probably less time.

Ren13B said:
What do you want to customize?[/COLOR]
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Main screen. I want SPB Pocket plus style contact list, message and calendar right on my main screen without having to need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it.
I want pocket informant style calendar, not WP7 calendar because its not customizable, color coding and tons and tons of other things i could do in PI8 but not WP7 calendar.
I want ringtones customized.
I want many more customization which i dont want to write in detail because it will be 3-4 pages long for me.
Were you even a slight power user of WM?? Than you will have common sense to realize how much customization is lacking in WP7. Their is nothing to tweak in this phone, you have to swallow what they give you.

I am eager to see how much progress is made when the first update hits early next year. Maybe they give some details at CES or MWC.
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Purple11 said:
Main screen. I want SPB Pocket plus style contact list, message and calendar right on my main screen without having to need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it.
I want pocket informant style calendar, not WP7 calendar because its not customizable, color coding and tons and tons of other things i could do in PI8 but not WP7 calendar.
I want ringtones customized.
I want many more customization which i dont want to write in detail because it will be 3-4 pages long for me.
Were you even a slight power user of WM?? Than you will have common sense to realize how much customization is lacking in WP7. Their is nothing to tweak in this phone, you have to swallow what they give you.
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I wonder how many of us joined here out of necessity because, frankly, stock winmo is crap. we had to tweak and customize it just to use the damn thing. With wp7, the urge to tweak isn't there for me.
I'd rather be watching video on netflix, or slingplayer, or my videos, or playing any of the wp7 games that are 10x better than the winmo counterparts.

Purple11 said:
Main screen.
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What, you mean the main screen which is infinitely customizable with your own live tiles from any app, arranged how you want them, including websites, contacts, bands, albums, notes and just about anything else you can think of?
I want SPB Pocket plus style contact list, message and calendar right on my main screen without having to need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it.
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Well I'm sure if SPB were to write the apps, the live tiles you want would be made available on your nice customizable main screen. Talk to SPB, not to XDA. And what's this about <i>"need to swipe and flip and tap 45 seconds to get to it"</i>? I have no idea what you're talking about. Your main screen is one contiguous flowing block. Please explain.
I want pocket informant style calendar, not WP7 calendar because its not customizable, color coding and tons and tons of other things i could do in PI8 but not WP7 calendar.
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Again, talk to the app maker. There's no reason why they couldn't make an app that does what you want. Why are you blaming the OS?
I want ringtones customized.
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This is coming in an update but I'm sure you can survive in the meantime - it you *want* to. But I think your mind is already made up *not* to.
I want many more customization which i dont want to write in detail because it will be 3-4 pages long for me.
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Ooh getting a bit vague now, maybe you ran out of stuff.
Were you even a slight power user of WM?? Than you will have common sense to realize how much customization is lacking in WP7. Their is nothing to tweak in this phone, you have to swallow what they give you.
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Personally, I've been a mammoth user of WM for years, and yes I cutomized it a lot, primarily because I had to to get it how I wanted it. Amazingly, WP7 is perfect for me out of the box. I really don't find any great need to customize it beyond installing the apps I want and arranging my tiles how I want them.
It sounds to me like you're addicted to customization for the sake of it, and I'd suggest you get yourself an Android phone which you can tinker with to your heart's content, while the rest of us get on with living our lives to the full.
After all, what could be better than an OS made by an advertising company?

Rofl @ last sentence/question. What an awesome way to end an awesome post. I think I woke up the neighbors, LOL.
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You know why they customized WM? To make it useable. WP7 doesn't need the customization because it is already useful.
The same argument can be applied to Android. Why do OEMs put skins on Android? Well, they think the UX and the UI are lacking, that's why.
Why fix what's not broken?

+1 to what these guys said. The reason customisation is limited is because - in the view of the vast majority of people that purchase a WP7 device - it's perfectly usable as is.
If you want a hobby phone you can flash, root, hardSPL, tweak, skin, tinker and waste literally tens of hours of your time on, an android phone is the way to go.
If you want a powerful smartphone that gets you "in, out and back where you need to be", WP7 is a good bet.

Ren13B said:
•Lack of apps on marketplace (I know its only young) and the games just cost too much, i mean come on £5.99 for assassins creed?
Nothing Microsoft can do about pricing and has nothing to do with the platform.
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I remember when I first got my G1 and there only like 500 apps on it which might have been an overestimate at that point in time.

Personally, coming from a Tilt2, I found my Focus to be flat-out incredible. Yes, I did spend a lot of time tweaking the old Tilt2, and yes, a good bit of it was recreational and not just out of necessity. However, I would not have been pushed into rom flashing if the stock rom weren't so bad on it. It was a laggy, crashy beast, and required a ton of work to be something that was not embarrassingly slow.
The Focus is, out of the box, incredibly and effortlessly fast. I don't care that I can't tweak more things in it because, frankly, it is so fast at doing everything that a couple extra swipes here or there doesn't bug me. Yes, it really does take the hobby aspect out of my phone. If you want that in your primary device, then Android (or as has been mentioned, an HD2) is the gizmo for you. I'm personally tempted to pick up a Streak, now that the unlocked ones have had a price dip, just to play around with it. However, my WP7 device will remain as my primary phone for my day-to-day usage.

Btw, just checked, facebook works on wifi only with data connection turned off, just checked this on my hd7

I did think about a HD2, but I can only change to what phones I was offered when I initially upgraded, my options were :
-HTC Desire HD
-Samsung Omnia 7 (obviously)
-HTC Mozart
-Samsung galaxy s
-Blackberry Torch
-Nokia N8
I want android, so really its between the desire HD or the galaxy s, But the galaxy s has 2.1 out of the box while the desire HD has 2.2 and sense which I loved on my HTC hero and looks even better on the desire HD. And I want to root and install a custom oc'able kernel to boost the performance.
For me the screen is nicer on the desire HD than it is on my Omnia 7, which may sound wrong but even though the res is the same due to the squareness of the Omnia 7 The pixels seem more visible and the samoled screen is too saturated.

new fan WP7 ad I made

I'd seen a couple of requests for fan made ads by people disappointed with Microsoft and the carrier's advertising presence, and I've seen some, well, underwhelming, wp7 commercials on TV myself, so I figured I'd try my own since I work in that field.
Check it out-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0SNs-erz0
The music and video were all created by myself. Shot with my Canon t2i, 50mm and 85mm lens, and music recorded with Hamer, Gretsch, and Rickenbacker guitars and basses, for those interested.

Well done, mate. Looks and sounds really great.

Good job on the video, but it was 31 seconds too long.

nathantw said:
Good job on the video, but it was 31 seconds too long.
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For a commercial they typically like 30 seconds, but I thought it was great. Sometimes a little longer is needed to really tell a story. Well done.

I would agree you have great video production skills.
but...
too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
But good job on your vid dude.

edufur said:
I would agree you have great video production skills.
but...
too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
But good job on your vid dude.
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It showcases the UI and interaction, which are much different than the other platforms. Who honestly cares about the number of apps still? Many of the "necessary" apps are already there, and many are much higher quality than on the other platforms. So long as more quality apps come along, and the ones you need are there, I think most can do without the other 299,000+ apps on the market. The needed functionality in the OS will come over time just like on the other platforms.

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It showcases the UI and interaction, which are much different than the other platforms. Who honestly cares about the number of apps still? Many of the "necessary" apps are already there, and many are much higher quality than on the other platforms. So long as more quality apps come along, and the ones you need are there, I think most can do without the other 299,000+ apps on the market. The needed functionality in the OS will come over time just like on the other platforms.
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I agree... and I shouldn't have made it sound like number of apps was most important. Because quite honestly, I think that is one of my complaints about the Android.... way too many junk apps are allowed to stay on the market. But... even though some of the WM apps are quality, there are way too many apps that you just can't get yet on WM... and unless they change that real soon, this last attempt for market share will fail.

Thanks- that's a good point; however I wanted to focus on the integration of the UI. I don't use any apps other than what is built in to the default user experience- in other words- this is something that anyone can do with WP7, and you don't need any aftermarket mods (Android) or in-app purchases (ios) to do any of it.

nathantw said:
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This was tough to even cram into 60 seconds. My first edit was about 2 minutes along and featured a bunch of other actions like going into the pictures hub, getting directions, etc. I think it's still a bit quick as it is.

I think its great man. I think it would be funny to do the exact same video with android or iOS and show the lack of cohesiveness between apps. I just converted from Android and I could not be happier.

Nice ad. But too long to be exactly an ad.

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Very apt words.

I saw this on wpcentral or something today, VERY well done! Looks pro, and you're right, it showcases what can easily be done with the native UI. Smartphones aren't about the apps, everyone has apps. It's about the UI. Why do you think Android is number 1 now? Cause it has an "interesting" UI. Much better than Apple's rows of boring boxes (although the iPhone is a very high quality device).
The problem I think is people's rightly held mistrust of Microsoft. They occasionally hit homeruns yes, especially lately. But in the long run, they're seen as the company that has software that will fail. This ad demonstrates what was missing from the original ads; the use of the core UI. Great great job.
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I would agree you have great video production skills.
but...
too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
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I'm sorry, what is the point of this post? Do you even have a wp7?
Please take your grade-school bullsh*t to another forum. Adults are trying to talk.

Wow, I am seriously impressed! Great Editing, and a great demo of what WP7 can do without having to hit the Market.

Aren't you concerned when you showed that callers' number for all viewers to see? nice vid btw

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I agree... and I shouldn't have made it sound like number of apps was most important. Because quite honestly, I think that is one of my complaints about the Android.... way too many junk apps are allowed to stay on the market. But... even though some of the WM apps are quality, there are way too many apps that you just can't get yet on WM... and unless they change that real soon, this last attempt for market share will fail.
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how is this even close to on topic???
OP, great ad!!!

Nice ad! A lot of the official MS ads didn't really highlight the uniqueness of WP7 UI and integration capabilities. For example, uploading to Facebook is so straight forward that you don't need to switch to another app. Great work on showing 'real-life' usage. Just one thing, as kieboy said, unless that number is fake (which it doesn't look to be), you might want to edit it out.
edufur said:
I would agree you have great video production skills.
but...
too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
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For someone who claims to be an expert analyst of the smartphone market, and knows that the phone isn't going anywhere, you've done a great job of missing the entire point of the ad. It wasn't really flaunting unique features, it was showing off the interaction and ease of use.

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Nice ad! A lot of the official MS ads didn't really highlight the uniqueness of WP7 UI and integration capabilities. For example, uploading to Facebook is so straight forward that you don't need to switch to another app. Great work on showing 'real-life' usage. Just one thing, as kieboy said, unless that number is fake (which it doesn't look to be), you might want to edit it out.
For someone who claims to be an expert analyst of the smartphone market, and knows that the phone isn't going anywhere, you've done a great job of missing the entire point of the ad. It wasn't really flaunting unique features, it was showing off the interaction and ease of use.
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Thanks! Yes the number is my company phone number available elsewhere on the internet, so I don't totally mind it being in there. That's not my girlfriend's number, or her real name haha

silvertonesx24 said:
Thanks! Yes the number is my company phone number available elsewhere on the internet, so I don't totally mind it being in there. That's not my girlfriend's number, or her real name haha
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lol that's okay then (btw, I've added your video to my blog)

keyboardP said:
lol that's okay then (btw, I've added your video to my blog)
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Awesome thanks! I'll check it out and link people to it!

Worth getting a WP7 ?

Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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I would personally wait for Nokia WP7, Thats when you'll see some good hardware / camera etc...

I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us

mikeeam said:
I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us
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For 3 iterations, I've always said android feels incomplete. Even on the tablet side, android feels very incomplete and I guess this has made OEMs feel like they can do what they will to cover android's shortcomings - specifically in their management of OS, fragmentation, and acceleration.
The iphone felt finished to me - even if I didn't like the iphone platform at all. Everything just worked and ran quite effectively. It was cohesive and central when it was released.
What I enjoy about windows phone is that it carries the cohesion of apple, and totally ramps it up full blast making it an incredible platform to code on, experience, and use on a daily basis.
I do miss flashing custom roms for one reason - I HAVE A DELL VENUE PRO and so far its one of the most closed wp7 devices on the market! Period! But even then, the only thing I want is root access to the registry. Not so much optimize much because the os is damn good as is.
Are there limits to windows phone 7? Sure all platforms have limits. But I think in time windows phone will definitely be a household name. All it really needs is good advertising at this point.

My biggest issue with WP7 right now is not the missing featurs, but rather the lack of quality hardware. That having been said, the Samsung Focus is very nice. It takes amazing pictures. The screen is big and beautiful. It is sleek, and has long battery life. My only complaint is how slick the plastic is. Would have been nice to have a more rubbery texture to it or something.

Like every OS WP7 has its cons and pro's but to me it's just the experience as a whole that stands out to the rest. I'd certainly recommend a WP7 device to everyone who wants to buy a smartphone. Certainly the one's who owned an Android device before like myself.

I'm happy with my Trophy. I love the hardware. Have a nice grip, and an awesome screen. Not too large, nor too small. It's just the perfect size to me.
The plastic doesn't feel cheap, and doesnt look cheap. I recommend. And it is worth a look.

Thanks for feedback ... I use the following apps remote desktop, facebook,Twitter,slingplayer,navigation and need a good quality camera .... I'm looking at the apps market to see if I can find any apps like this..... I was disappointed to see no flash for browser....
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LG Quantum == great hardware
I love my LG Quantum.
I need a keyboard for business emails. I sometimes write mails on it longer than I do at my desktop computer. Try that on the on-screen keyboard.
But, if I just have a few words, the on-screen is fine. And the word-correct is amazing on WP7.
Friends at work have Samsung Focus and love it. Most people DON'T need over 8GB of flash, because with ZunePass, one can stream what one doesn't have, and then just download what they want to keep.
WP7 really is GREAT STUFF, and getting better with time.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
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intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...

best thing you can do is go play with different devices in the store and see which one you like better.
WP7= fast and smooth, works out of the box great.
Android= very versatile, but does have some lag and might require some tweaking to get the best out of the device.
Just depends on what you are looking for.

intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.

Dam a limit ... well well..... that's no to wp7 .. thanks for letting me know about that
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this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy, thats total bull ****...
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...
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I don't think its a silly question... so far people that have had both have given me pros and cons those who have moved to wp7 have shared what they miss .... I am asking for owners experience of the phone... not if they like the color of the device...
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FriedWP7 said:
+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.
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To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?

digime said:
To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?
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Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.

FriedWP7 said:
Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.
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What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.

digime said:
What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.
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No offense dude but until I see oficial word from microsoft that it aint true, I'm gonna hold back.

Well for me - yes and no.
If you don't care so much about features than WP7 is in many ways great.
But for me after 3 months of extensive usage - I start to have enough of stupid limitations. In March we will get only c&p and no other functionality enhancements.
I like how this WP7 behaves but it's totally unfinished product.
I rather accept a little choppiness but have all the features than use super fluent skeleton.
BTW this WP7 super fluent behaviour is a little myth. I see little freezes all the time.
More I think of it I see myself getting Android device soon. I don't care if it is "choppy", what is kinda BS TBH. I saw many current strong Androids which are smooth.
And they have oh so much more to offer right now. Sad but true.
I can't even buy apps and nobody knows WHEN this will be possible. And so on.
It will take a year or more to bring WP7 to desired state and I think some of the very useful features will not be supported ever.
Sorry for the rant but after the joy of using something nice has worn off, I just more and more miss features which are cruical for me and it's more than one thing.
I imagine getting SE Arc....
But I still didn't "give up". WP7 is still a great foundation.

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If you've been using Android especially with Sense I don't see how you could ever switch to WP7. I have an HTC Incredible and I bought an HTC Surround to play around with a week ago. The Surround has already been sold. After using Android for years WP7 seems like a joke right now. It is almost closer to a feature phone than a smartphone. I was going to keep it just to use as a Zune and for the Xbox Live features. My original Zune 30GB is 5 times the music player a WP7 phone is. The Xbox live stuff...I'm playing a game, let me switch to something else for a second...Go back to the game, wait loading? Oh yeah, no multitasking.
Maybe if you were coming from a feature phone WP7 might seem nice, but it is far behind Blackberry, Android, and iOS. Even my Samsung Blackjack with WM 6.1 was far more usable. It sucks because I am a Microsoft fanboy. I love my Xbox, my Zune, Windows 7, etc. But WP7 is pretty bad I thought.

Well done, MS

MS came through on the usability and quality of WP7 at last. The NoDo update made my Samsung Focus the supreme phone in my collection. Yeah, yeah...I know WP7 still lacks the usual features. But I'm loving the experience with my Focus so much I really don't miss them. It helps to have other phones that have those missing features
The Focus is supreme and WP7 is now supreme. They are both working pretty much flawlessly. The market loads and scrolls effortlessly now. I think it's even better than the Android market for functionality. It does quite often put me back at the top of a category after I install an app, though. But it is most certainly free of the frustration inducing loading and scroll-freezing. And I have yet to experience a market freeze-up.

I must agree, while it is missing some small feature atm. What it does, it does very well. Now that I got full GPS, only real thing I need is for Adobe to finally make Flash support & full Multitasking that's in Mango when it comes. Just wish that update wasn't so far away.

Looks like you updated late

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Looks like you updated late
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Not really. I got the NoDo/firmware update as soon as it was released. I've just been using my phone long enough to appraise it as what I described. I have had the habit of speaking a bit too soon about something and then it falls apart. Not so with WP7 this time around.

Only 2 things I miss would be sending/uploading a vid& flash support....Still like it better than my EVO 4G
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Additional features are coming, and with Mango, the response/load time ect of all applications will be even higher as was shown during MIX11.
Here's a video of the code improvements which give a boost to app load times and responsiveness: Around 1:02:00
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MIX/MIX11/KEY02

I agree wholeheartedly in all aspects but one (and it really has nothing to do with MS, but the Focus). Samsung is BY FAR the most pathetic hardware manufacturer in the WP7 game with respect to creating useful value-added apps for their marketplace. And even when the DO come with something good, they pull it a month later.
Look at the amazing apps that HTC (YouTube, etc) and LG (Pano camera add-on, voice-to-text, etc) have produced, and then look at the chaff in the Samsung Zone. There is no comparison.

RoboDad said:
I agree wholeheartedly in all aspects but one (and it really has nothing to do with MS, but the Focus). Samsung is BY FAR the most pathetic hardware manufacturer in the WP7 game with respect to creating useful value-added apps for their marketplace. And even when the DO come with something good, they pull it a month later.
Look at the amazing apps that HTC (YouTube, etc) and LG (Pano camera add-on, voice-to-text, etc) have produced, and then look at the chaff in the Samsung Zone. There is no comparison.
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Yeah, I agree. The dearth of desirable apps by Sammy is certainly troubling. AT&T has a couple I use, though.

Copy and paste should work with the stock calculator.
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Completely agree. Post-Nodo I'm really enjoying the experience - the phone was good but now it's great.
The only things I am personally missing from my old iPhone 4 are psuedo-multitasking and good IM clients. Otherwise the experience with WP7 / Xbox / Zune Pass is fantastic

I am also happy with my WP7 experience. But c&p phone numbers would be lovly, as well internet speed up on my Omnia 7. Its redicilous slow atm. Flash or decent you tube app and flashlight would also make my day. Wish MS could include a flashlight as standard, really annoying.

Nakazul said:
I am also happy with my WP7 experience. But c&p phone numbers would be lovly, as well internet speed up on my Omnia 7. Its redicilous slow atm. Flash or decent you tube app and flashlight would also make my day. Wish MS could include a flashlight as standard, really annoying.
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There are several YouTube apps to choose from. I for one use Lazytube, which is really great imho. You can also find loads of flashlights on the marketplace. Don't know whether they use the LEDs or not, since I have an HD7 with HTC flashlight and thus have no need for any 3rd party app.

I also feel the same after nodo. initially i thought MS fooled me thrice but now feels like i am loving the uniqueness of it. Sure it is new OS so need to give it time after all. Hope MS do not drop the ball.

raman_mogal said:
I also feel the same after nodo. initially i thought MS fooled me thrice but now feels like i am loving the uniqueness of it. Sure it is new OS so need to give it time after all. Hope MS do not drop the ball.
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I hope Mango will release this year.

MartyLK said:
I hope Mango will release this year.
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Thats pretty much guaranteed. I would be VERY surprised if they don't get this out before the holiday season.

dtboos said:
Thats pretty much guaranteed. I would be VERY surprised if they don't get this out before the holiday season.
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They didn't get NoDo out until way after Jan/Feb. I expect Mango probably around Feb/Mar. of 2012, but I hope it shows up this year.

MartyLK said:
They didn't get NoDo out until way after Jan/Feb. I expect Mango probably around Feb/Mar. of 2012, but I hope it shows up this year.
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To be honest I think they will be pulling out all the stops to ensure they release mango by end of October or early November.
1. To introduce new handsets for the Christmas period with the brand spanking new OS.
2. Because of iOS 5 looming on the horizon.
3. To keep a consistent timeline going like Apple. Launch was November.
And if they are not then this will be a failure for them. Nokia also should be trying at all costs to push out a Windows Phone for fall too.

i agree with OP.... MS did it this time with the mobile OS...
i am wating for 2 things 1st MANGO, 2nd is Nokia hardware...