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Glad I tried it, but...

I don't think I am a fan of Android. I admit, I was enthused, at first, but after spending a few days playing around with XDAndroid on my Tilt 2, I'm convinced that I'm in no hurry to upgrade my phone. I've been a WinMo user since 2003, so I'm pretty familiar with its strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of them. Droid does some things well (reflowing web pages when zooming is one), but it seems more like a Mac to me in the way that a lot of the OS is inaccessible to the user unlike WinMo. As a tinkerer/modder, I feel like WinMo lets me get under the hood easier and better and in more ways. I'm sure my short exposure to Android is probably not unbiased, but I just couldn't find the customizability level that WinMo has built-in to it. It looks good, it worked OK (a bit sluggish, horrendous battery usage and no BT didn't let me really enjoy it), but it just felt too rigid compared to the flexibility I'm used to with WinMo.
I do have to give props to the people behind porting this to work on my Tilt 2. I'm sure it wasn't easy. Thanks to all you developers who share your talents here and on PPCGeeks. Gonna play with it a little more, but I'm no longer feeling any Droid envy.

Well I guess it depends on how you look at it... there's no registry, but there's so many other ways to modify things within Android... After all, the source code is all available, and with a little bit of knowledge you can change anything.
Plus, don't chalk up poor performance and lack of BT to Android... our builds are NOT like native Android phones - don't expect it to be anytime soon either... Perhaps one day we'll get it close, but this phone has a tired old processor. Not many native Android phones have our slow processors & run Froyo
Heck, we'll probably run Gingerbread before 90% of the native Android devices officially get it!
Either way, this is just meant to be tested/had fun with. It's not supposed to replace WinMo

Yeah, I didn't expect it to be a replacement. I'm sure if I invested the time (like I have with WinMo) I would find all kinds of ways to bend Android to my will. I guess I just like what I'm used to better. The Android interface is too iPhone like for my tastes. I like having program groups, not a page full of icons of unrelated programs that I have to scroll through. I like that I have different backgrounds on all my screens and that I can access System items by category instead of scrolling through menu after menu. I did spend some time looking through the Android Market and was impressed by the number of apps, especially free ones, but I've yet to not find an app available for WinMo for the way I use the phone, most of them free, as well. I'm not convinced that Windows Phone 7 is the answer and I will NEVER buy an iPhone, so I will probably end up on some Android phone in the future. At least, thanks to this little preview, I know I don't need to switch anytime soon and can keep using my Tilt 2 until it dies.

arrrghhh said:
Well I guess it depends on how you look at it... there's no registry, but there's so many other ways to modify things within Android... After all, the source code is all available, and with a little bit of knowledge you can change anything.
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Personally I consider the lack of a registry a -good- thing.

****ing confirmed yihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

F22 said:
Personally I consider the lack of a registry a -good- thing.
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agreed... sometimes

Miami_Son said:
Yeah, I didn't expect it to be a replacement. I'm sure if I invested the time (like I have with WinMo) I would find all kinds of ways to bend Android to my will. I guess I just like what I'm used to better. The Android interface is too iPhone like for my tastes. I like having program groups, not a page full of icons of unrelated programs that I have to scroll through. I like that I have different backgrounds on all my screens and that I can access System items by category instead of scrolling through menu after menu. I did spend some time looking through the Android Market and was impressed by the number of apps, especially free ones, but I've yet to not find an app available for WinMo for the way I use the phone, most of them free, as well. I'm not convinced that Windows Phone 7 is the answer and I will NEVER buy an iPhone, so I will probably end up on some Android phone in the future. At least, thanks to this little preview, I know I don't need to switch anytime soon and can keep using my Tilt 2 until it dies.
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I'm with you 100% there! I still love playing with XDAndroid though... any time I start getting bored with WinMo I come play with it. One thing it did clarify for me is the difference between 'application' (WinMo) and 'app' (Android and IPhone) and I now understand why there are more 'apps' on the market... they're more single purpose where WinMo is more of a 'suite'.

This is not a flame as much as it is a testament to the great dev's here at XDA who work so hard at making these Android ports.
Having been forced to use WinMo due to "company policy" and using an Android device on the "sly", I would take Android over WinMo hands down. That is my personal opinion and choice.
And apparently the DEV's have done a great job at porting over XDAndroid to the TP2/Tilt2 as I noticed Miami_Son's signature now states Samsung Captivate (Android Device) as the primary phone and HTC Tilt 2 as "(going soon)."
I just found some humor in that.

Miami_Son said:
I don't think I am a fan of Android. I admit, I was enthused, at first, but after spending a few days playing around with XDAndroid on my Tilt 2, I'm convinced that I'm in no hurry to upgrade my phone. I've been a WinMo user since 2003, so I'm pretty familiar with its strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of them. Droid does some things well (reflowing web pages when zooming is one), but it seems more like a Mac to me in the way that a lot of the OS is inaccessible to the user unlike WinMo. As a tinkerer/modder, I feel like WinMo lets me get under the hood easier and better and in more ways. I'm sure my short exposure to Android is probably not unbiased, but I just couldn't find the customizability level that WinMo has built-in to it. It looks good, it worked OK (a bit sluggish, horrendous battery usage and no BT didn't let me really enjoy it), but it just felt too rigid compared to the flexibility I'm used to with WinMo.
I do have to give props to the people behind porting this to work on my Tilt 2. I'm sure it wasn't easy. Thanks to all you developers who share your talents here and on PPCGeeks. Gonna play with it a little more, but I'm no longer feeling any Droid envy.
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That's what ive been saying... its a great gimmick, but im just a windows fan at heart. I mean, games are great on it. Its like, if im picking someone up and im waiting for them, just boot up droid. Its like a mini arcade. I like that about it. the fact i can switch over from business to play. But for everyday use, winmo is just soooo much better for me. great interface. sense is a hog, but whatever. I flash my phone daily so I dont notice anything. i get a fraction of the errors with winmo i do with android.
Dont get me wrong, these ports are BADD-EFFIN-ASS!!! I mean just look at them, you can see the amount of time and energy they put into them. And ill continue to use it as an arcade... but a daily driver??? nnaaahhh
winmo=way2go

I too was a long timer with Winmo (since 2003) before they were integrated with phones...blablabla cough cough old school.
I discovered Android through my touchPro2 and was quite impressed how close I could get to Winmo's capabilities. The early versions of the kernel definitely needed to mature for a few years but in my opinion is now up to scratch...
I acquired the desire HD and have just been blown away by the extent of its capabilities like I was with Winmo in the old days.
Integration of apps within the OS actually make it grow stronger rather than stalls it if you guys see where I'm coming from.
What killed Winmo for me was its lack of good memory and screen resolution management.
All I'm eager to see is a good Office suite replacement and maybe TomTom but doesn't mean I can't edit word docx and navigate...(not at the same time of course).
Lastly, let's be real, Microsoft has pulled the plug on Winmo and Devs have moved on... It's almost as if I was still trying to get divx running on my poor Amiga (which I loved so much but had to let go).
That was my humble opinion, hope it will be understood accordingly. (now where is that Amiga emulator, lol)
Dodsin.
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To WP7, or not to WP7

Hello fellow XDA members,
Currently residing on Android, I'm thinking about making the switch to WP7 using a HTC 7 Trophy. http://www.htc.com/www/product/7trophy/overview.html
I would like to know the pro's and cons about wether to make the switch. I'm basically tired of Android and rather not have an iPhone.
Thank you for your time.
Jorijn.

I highly suggest you get some hands on experience w/ the OS rather than asking for Pro's & Con. It is something you need to experience for yourself. See if your carrier could let you demo one.

Crimson Lotus said:
I highly suggest you get some hands on experience w/ the OS rather than asking for Pro's & Con. It is something you need to experience for yourself. See if your carrier could let you demo one.
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I could drive up to a store which sells these HTC phones with WP7, this however gives a quick impression rather than experiences from (power-)users. Thank you for your help though.

I made the switch a month or so ago. I have loved it. I had one of the Samsung Galaxy S phones and got a Samsung Focus from a buddy of mine. I love it. I was swapping sim cards for a while not sure of which I liked better but after about a week of that, I just left it in the WP7 cause I like it much more. It's mainly just more cohesive. I'm just sick of tinkering with the Android and having constant lag no matter what. I have begun using my Android as a media player for car trips, etc simply because it's easier to get movies on it. Music etc is much better on the WP7 from organization to sounds quality. Just get a little hands on time with it. It's still a work in progress but I have been using it great joy and looking forward to future updates. With Android I NEEDED the updates hoping they would fix some killer flaw (like the GPS not ever working).

Here's my take as a power user on iOS, WM6.5, WP7, and Android:
Here are the draw-backs of WP7 as compared to Android and iOS.
1) no 3rd party multitasking till a year or so when the Mango update comes out
2) not as many (or enough IMO) apps/games
3) The facebook app sucks royally as it's laggy and has a terrible UI (again, just my opinion, not really important if you're not a facebook junkie)
4) You can't change the UI much at all right now or for the foreseeable future.
5) Various bugs on certain phones such as camera shutter sound, random reboots, market download failures, etc...
Now, having said that the NoDo update apparently fixes things like number 5 to some extent. The UI really is fun and sleek. The app store is building up every day and developers seem to like WP7 except the lack of APIs at times. It's a new experience which quickly grows on you and if you are tired of Android this really is a nice alternative. It is still at a growing infant stage but for a new OS release it's actually pretty damn impressive. The built in facebook integration is really cool if you're into that, and I really do like the Live Tiles, although I really wish I could modify the UI more.
Apps run smoothly for the most part, although not as smooth as iOS, but still really great. Xbox live games are getting better and better and
I'll admit that I've come off as a WP7 hater at times, but I guess it's more my annoyance at some people claiming it's the best thing since sliced bacon and some of the lack of features of WP7 personally I can't get around. But as long as you go into it knowing what it can and can't do it's honestly not a bad buy and I think you'll enjoy the experience, just know that it does have some limitations.
iOS is pretty cool because you can theme it in a million ways and the apps support and smoothness overall, as well as things like multitasking and being able to put your apps in folders (I hope MS implements that at some point, I hate having my apps just floating in the right menu).
Android is cool but you already know what it can and can't do and seem to be tired of it.
WP7 is a great experience, I guess I am just too impatient for a fully featured OS which is a pretty unrealistic hope when the OS just came out.
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almost forgot, Netflix streaming is a HUGE plus on WP7 over Android.

WP7 works really well on my omnia 7. its fast as hell, its beautiful, no laggs, no obvious bugs but. too much restrictings, its just totally unflexible.
after 2 weeks i sold my omnia 7 and went back to my 2years old nokia 5800.

My suggestion would be to wait a year, minimum, before jumping to a WP7 device. MS is screwing all early adopters by not holding to their statement that updates will be done by them and not the carriers. There has yet to be one single update for the majority of WP7 devices, and updates were expected months ago.
WP7 is buggy with system freezes requiring reboots, market freezes requiring reboots, dead volume issues and so forth. I highly recommend staying with Android for the time being or going to an iPhone. Maybe in a years time, once MS has shown its nature, then consider a WP7 device.
WP7 devices are great right up front and in the beginning of ownership. But they become very displeasing as time goes by.

MartyLK said:
My suggestion would be to wait a year, minimum, before jumping to a WP7 device. MS is screwing all early adopters by not holding to their statement that updates will be done by them and not the carriers. There has yet to be one single update for the majority of WP7 devices, and updates were expected months ago.
WP7 is buggy with system freezes requiring reboots, market freezes requiring reboots, dead volume issues and so forth. I highly recommend staying with Android for the time being or going to an iPhone. Maybe in a years time, once MS has shown its nature, then consider a WP7 device.
WP7 devices are great right up front and in the beginning of ownership. But they become very displeasing as time goes by.
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Very well said, and the fact that you own an HD7, an HD2, and an iPhone4 means you at least have some great comparisons and experience enough with different devices to opine intelligently on it.
I think when you get an opinion from someone who owns/owned WP7/Android/iOS/WM6.5 (i too have all of these) you can get a fuller picture. WP7 was freaking AWESOME the first couple of weeks I had it but the limitations do manifest themselves. In a couple of years I think it will be very polished and great to own, but you just want to do some serious research before you drop funds on a phone you may seriously regret, that's all.

I used WP7 for about 3 days on my HD2 before flashing back to my 6.5/android combination.
I have to say that I loved the wp7 experience and the main reasons I flashed back to 6.5 were because I wasn't able to use WP7 on a native device.
I'm still undecided about where I'm going to go with my upgrade in a months time, WP7 or android.
That said, the points already raised about it still being rough around the edges are very true.
But hey, you could always sell it and buy an android device if you didn't like it....
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I bought a Focus the same week it was released, brought it back 2 weeks later. I love WP7, but I will be waiting until at least Mango update. Maybe the new Nokia devices will be what I want.
Basically, it felt more restricted than iphone. I want a in-between of Android and iPhone, not an iPhone clone. I can't use custom ringtones, I can't use flash, I can't customize the homescreen the way I want, free apps are horrible (but paid apps are really good), battery life seems worse than android, and a few other issues I had.
Other than that though, I really liked it and I'm hoping MS can fix everything.

I have and really like hd7 and wp7
but as far as I'm concerned MS
is out of step with other OS
watch new devices HTC Evo 3D, LG Dual Optimus and Optimus 3D Android
I think we will see something similar with WP7 in 2012 .... and I did not want to wait

I personally don't feel the same as others seem to about personalization.
For me this is the most personal device I've ever had. Sure I can't change the background but to me thats a moot point when I can change nearly everything else. First off the lock screen is definitively "mine" but even once you're past that it is my xbox avatar, my friends, my pictures, and any icons that I've made (you can get apps that do it but when I do it I just use the built in option of pinning a webpage to the homescreen). I'm able to go one step further in that I "hacked" mine and get the custom color options for tiles. Though honestly even before I did that I think the basic color option gave it a fair sense on "individuality." Plus again with the homebrew you get custom ringtones.
Out of all of the options out there (and I've used them all except for webOS) WP7 has been by far my favorite.

Depends on what kind of user you are. I have used the Blackberry, Android and WP7.
Blackberry: Functional, solid apps but underpowered and slow device. Could not see myself using it for more than 6months.
Android: Hate hate hate the context menu button. Everything takes 4-5 button clicks to access, email on android is horrible unless your only account is a gmail one. Very good apps and app store, and extremely customizable
WP7: Almost instant access to everything. Flip the lock screen and I can tell how many emails I have, what meetings are coming up, any missed calls or text messages. The commercials don't lie about how easy and quick it is to get the information you need and move on with your life.
For me the WP7 is exactly what I wanted from a smartphone. I'm don't stare at my phone a lot but when I do whatever info is needed should be fast and to the point.
If you like to configure your phone or treat it like a football team to the envy of your friends then stay away from it

MartyLK said:
My suggestion would be to wait a year, minimum, before jumping to a WP7 device. MS is screwing all early adopters by not holding to their statement that updates will be done by them and not the carriers. There has yet to be one single update for the majority of WP7 devices, and updates were expected months ago.
WP7 is buggy with system freezes requiring reboots, market freezes requiring reboots, dead volume issues and so forth. I highly recommend staying with Android for the time being or going to an iPhone. Maybe in a years time, once MS has shown its nature, then consider a WP7 device.
WP7 devices are great right up front and in the beginning of ownership. But they become very displeasing as time goes by.
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OMG, it's the best summary I saw so far for WP7

orangekid said:
Very well said, and the fact that you own an HD7, an HD2, and an iPhone4 means you at least have some great comparisons and experience enough with different devices to opine intelligently on it.
I think when you get an opinion from someone who owns/owned WP7/Android/iOS/WM6.5 (i too have all of these) you can get a fuller picture. WP7 was freaking AWESOME the first couple of weeks I had it but the limitations do manifest themselves. In a couple of years I think it will be very polished and great to own, but you just want to do some serious research before you drop funds on a phone you may seriously regret, that's all.
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I own an HD2, Vibrant, and HD7 and I've been saying the same thing since I started posting in these threads.
For the first 2-3 weeks, the phone is awesome. The user experience is fresh/new and you don't really notice the deficiencies.
When "playtime is over" and you need to actually get work done, this phone OS falls flat on its face.
I'll probably be SIM Swapping my unlimited data plan back to my Vibrant in the next week. The only thing I'll miss from the HD7 is Board Express, the Huge Screen, and the Roomy soft keyboard that makes both Swipe and the Samsung keyboard feel like it's on a 3" screen (can hardly type on them after using the WP7 keyboard so much).

conantroutman said:
I used WP7 for about 3 days on my HD2 before flashing back to my 6.5/android combination.
I have to say that I loved the wp7 experience and the main reasons I flashed back to 6.5 were because I wasn't able to use WP7 on a native device.
I'm still undecided about where I'm going to go with my upgrade in a months time, WP7 or android.
That said, the points already raised about it still being rough around the edges are very true.
But hey, you could always sell it and buy an android device if you didn't like it....
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You're assuming someone wants to buy it. Not many people want to buy WP7 devices.
I get 10x the amount of offers for my HD2, and 5x for my Vibrant that people trying to sell WP7 devices get for their phone. The interest is just so low. When you buy this phone, you have to make up your mind that it's what you want FAST so that you can return it in the carrier return window. They are hard as hell to sell.

Thank you for these extended opinions. I decided not to make the switch. Microsoft seems to have a rather unpleasant image on phone updates. WP7 doesn't have advanced navigation features like Android does at the moment.
WP7 seems to be a wonderful experience to have for a few days. After that it'll probably get old and boring and I'll guess I'll probably start seeing the negative points on this all.

I suggest stay on android or either go to ios. Wait for 2012 and nokia's wp7 releases. Wp7 is still too premature for hardcore users. Too many restrictions and drawbacks.

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You're assuming someone wants to buy it. Not many people want to buy WP7 devices.
I get 10x the amount of offers for my HD2, and 5x for my Vibrant that people trying to sell WP7 devices get for their phone. The interest is just so low. When you buy this phone, you have to make up your mind that it's what you want FAST so that you can return it in the carrier return window. They are hard as hell to sell.
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Thats not strictly true. Speaking from personal experience I've sold Omnia 7s, Mozarts and HD7s without problems. It wasn't difficult at all.

Jorijn said:
Thank you for these extended opinions. I decided not to make the switch. Microsoft seems to have a rather unpleasant image on phone updates. WP7 doesn't have advanced navigation features like Android does at the moment.
WP7 seems to be a wonderful experience to have for a few days. After that it'll probably get old and boring and I'll guess I'll probably start seeing the negative points on this all.
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I think you've made a wise choice for now. let's see how it does after Mango.

Just tried Android via the Amazon.com emulator and WOW!!

WP7 UI experience is just plain AWESOME. If only MS gets Mango on all current and future WP7 devices before this year end, its gonna be a real threat to Android and iOS.
-proud owner of a Samsung Focus (7.0.7004.0)
update::
Ok so why do I think WP7 is awesome compared to Android? Well for starters the concept of Hubs is amazing. The Music Hub has all my songs, videos and even links to 3rd party Music/Video Apps right in one place. The Android Music Player seems like junk compared to the Zune player, it even automatically finds the currently playing songs Artist image and sets it as the background for the entire Zune Hub which although seems trivial but it really adds a nice touch.
The Office Hub does not even have a comparable application on Android. The mango update is gonna make it even better with skydrive integration built rt into the hub.
Xbox live integration with its achievements and gamer points really increases the replay value of games. Although one thing which i currently find annoying is the high minimum price of the xbox live games, some of which cost $2 more than their iPhone counterparts. This may be due in part becoz WP7 is a newer platform so as it matures and the adoption rate increases prices will reduce.
overall the UI really seems to be built for the consumer and is really easy to use. from what I have seen of Android it just seems like a marriage between Symbian/WinMo. Sure you can customize the hell out of it and currently it has a lot of features which WP7 lacks but IMO only features do not determine the success of a platform coz Symbian/WMO had most of these features half a decade ago. And frankly the average consumer does not give a damn about modding/ ROMS/ features etc.
.....hmm have to get back to work now, will update this asap ....unless the thread gets locked

Well, I recommend you get your NoDo fix now...it is super easy, and works using either the data method or wifi...

kapanak said:
Well, I recommend you get your NoDo fix now...it is super easy, and works using either the data method or wifi...
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yup I'm aware of the Hungarian VPN hack, but am not that desperate for NoDo right now so will wait for ATT to get its act together.

Tried Android emulator on amazon.com and decided that WP7 UI is awesome?
I'm not sure how this works.

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Tried Android emulator on amazon.com and decided that WP7 UI is awesome?
I'm not sure how this works.
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Something like humping an ugly fat neighbour to appreciate your slim, beautiful wife even more ?!

Avandor said:
Something like humping an ugly fat neighbour to appreciate your slim, beautiful wife even more ?!
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Jesus!

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Tried Android emulator on amazon.com and decided that WP7 UI is awesome?
I'm not sure how this works.
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Well I was a former Symbian user and had never used an Android device before, so this was my first time with the Android UI which I must say offers nothing compared to WP7.

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Something like humping an ugly fat neighbour to appreciate your slim, beautiful wife even more ?!
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lol rofl

fat girls need loving too
but they gotta pay!!!
As for android, best to go look at a device. Sadly, it functions quite similarly to amazon's test...sometimes fast, most times slow

And what does text based WP7 offers, thad android doesn`t?

balance
non fragmented hardware
driver specific code to run at optimum
me thinks that's enough

UbiMaiden said:
And what does text based WP7 offers, thad android doesn`t?
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Text based? At least WP7 doesn't use any terminal emulator

UbiMaiden said:
And what does text based WP7 offers, thad android doesn`t?
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A clean, smooth, fast interface?

This thread should be closed before it gets out of control.

I have used Windows Mobile before moving to Android.
here is what I feel about Android...
Android is the new Windows Mobile 6.X
very powerful...but lacks cohesiveness. Unusable without custom ROMs
I am thinking of giving Windows phone 7 a try. Perhaps I am getting too old to keep flashing my phone every week.
Anyways... don't completely ignore Android. UI can be improved at any time. Next few years will be interesting to watch.

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Android is the new Windows Mobile 6.X
very powerful...but lacks cohesiveness. Unusable without custom ROMs
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^^^^My thoughts exactly. Maybe those Microsoft WM developers jumped ship to Google
If you ever played with the Windows Mobile emulator before, it's the same experience. Very plain and boring. That's why OEMs spent so much time skin it and customize it.
What you see on the emulator is not the same on devices.

What's hilarious is that someone starts a thread like this, then some WP7 denizens wonder why there is "negativity" about WP7. What is the OP even saying? Such valuable information that will surely help someone out, the forums are better for it that's for sure. Pretty sad actually.
as per the topic (whatever it actually is), the problem with the WP7 UI is that it can't be changed. So you either love Metro forever, or you best get a phone where you can theme it a little or at least change the wallpaper. I'm not going to sit here and bash WP7 because even though it is missing essential features that I need as a power-user, it is still a nice OS and I can see that it might be right for some people. For me It's going to be Android, iOS, and WM6.5.x for at least a couple more years till WP7 matures.

arkavat said:
I have used Windows Mobile before moving to Android.
here is what I feel about Android...
Android is the new Windows Mobile 6.X
very powerful...but lacks cohesiveness. Unusable without custom ROMs
I am thinking of giving Windows phone 7 a try. Perhaps I am getting too old to keep flashing my phone every week.
Anyways... don't completely ignore Android. UI can be improved at any time. Next few years will be interesting to watch.
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That's not true.
That being said, to some people the ability to load a custom rom is an advantage. If you want to "customize" WP7 you're SoL. If you don't like your manufacturer's Andorid skin, but love the hardware (as many Galaxy S users do), it's not hard to load a stock custom ROM on it and get on with your life.
In many cases people don't even need custom roms. They just install something like ADW or LauncherPro and that's good enough for them.
That being said, no software differences will make up for the huge gap in hadware between WP7 and Android phones. The WP7 hardware is just not... attractive... these days. Even normal consumers are asking about specs these days, because the tech press and even the normal press have been conditioning them to expect these things to improve over time, not drop back (as WP7 has... going from late 2010 hardware to late 2009 hardware if you "upgraded" from Android to WP7).
Another thing Anddoid has going for it is Apps. AmEx just came out with Serve.com and there's only an App for iOS and Android, for example. No WhatsApp for WP7. No Trillian for WP7. RIM is supposed to be releasing BBM for iOS and Android. There are tons of apps that either aren't available for WP7, or will never be available in the forseeable future due to API lockdown by Microsoft.
It's a terrible platform for an App-o-holic and moving form Android to WP7 I find myself carrying around both phones pretty much 100% of the time because there are lots of apps that simply aren't available on WP7. There still isn't an IM client. No HTML5 browser. No SP-to-SP messaging app, no Turn-by-Turn Navigation, still cannot attach videos to MMS or Email, etc.
Like I said in another thread. Looks only get you so far. A dumb blond may be hot as hell, but she's still dumb.

but then this leads to the question, what do you want to change? besides putting background image and font changing, much of the wp7 is extremely theme friendly. Now, granted, haven't found a way to change the square tiles but even then that's a wip...
And even with the tile shape not being able to be changed, there are plenty of options to create something amazing

domineus said:
but then this leads to the question, what do you want to change? besides putting background image and font changing, much of the wp7 is extremely theme friendly. Now, granted, haven't found a way to change the square tiles but even then that's a wip...
And even with the tile shape not being able to be changed, there are plenty of options to create something amazing
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The size of the tiles? Make the App List a a grid instead of a list?
Change the default search provider in the browser?
Lower the touchscreen sensitivity and/or threshold for panning so that moving my finger 1 millimeter won't make the phone switch panes.
A lot of stuff people would want to change are impossible becuase Microsoft has crafted the OS in such a way that even skilled developers cannot compete with their stock apps (better browsers, other music players, better email clients (with conversation view and unified inbox, e.g.).

Samsung Galaxy S2 Vs. Omnia 7

Hi,
I am tired of my current WP7, its almost 4 months now and their has been no major development in the APP market scene.. everyone just release initial app and than forget about it with no updates and no improvements.. the Gaming market scene of Xbox is pretty much dead too with no new fun game, I had pretty bad experience with Sonic which is practically unplayable and other boring games which have started coming out recently.. it seems Xbox is releasing games just for the heck of it.. ex: geodefence and tentacles.. boring not worth paying which are like free in android market..
I am really getting inclined to give up my WP7 and switch to Android now and buy Galaxy S2.. its has some plus points and some minus points:
Plus:
I can expand my memory.
Looks better.
Its Smoled 'Plus'.
It might have better battery? I am not sure about this.
Established Android market.
Minus:
Its too big for my pocket.
No ZUNE Pass like service.
I have to give up my Achievements Score and I dont know if they have anything similar to this.
I have never used Android and have never seen one ever before.. its completely new to me and I dont even know where is the settings option, I dont know if I will like it after using WM6.5 and now WP7 for last 7 years. I have seen Iphone before and used it for like a week, but never spend even 20 secs with an Android phone.
With all the hype surround MANGO which I am waiting for, I dont think Microsoft will release any major update after that for a really long time.. If this MANGO dosent work and the APP and GAMES Marketplace dosent become more vibrant than it is right now.. than I am thinking this WP7 could just become a device for people could not afford phones like Iphone and GALAXY S2, like a second option, a second choice market, which I am scared of.. I want to own the best and not the second choice.. and right now it seems GALAXY S2 with its ANDROID thing is the best phone in market.

Hmm. Not sure if I quite get where you're coming from with the apps and games thing. Over the last month, a ton of apps, big names and small, have come to the platform. A ton more coming and updated post-Mango. I mean, the market will most likely hit 30k apps soon. I don't have, nor do I use, 30k apps on my phone, not to mention the 100k+ or 400k+ of android and iphone, respectively.
Also, I'm pretty sure that every installed app, or almost every installed app, on my phone has seen an update... several at that. So, I missed you on the "no updates and no improvements" part. Are there specific apps that YOU are missing, or need that you can't find in the windows marketplace?
Games-wise, well that's a matter of preference. Games you find boring, others may find greatly exciting. For example, one recent game which has come to the platform that I like is Arcane Tower Defense. It's a fantasy version of the classic tower defense genre with some twists.
I also like little games like Vanessa Saint-Pierre Delacroix and her Nightmare. But, after Mango there will be many games including multiplayer fighting games, RPGs, you name it, real time and turn-based.
As to the GS2. I haven't used it personally. I do know you can't get xbox live benefits like achievments, however. I'm sure somebody else here is more informed on the phone than I. I hear it's a killer phone, though. And, there may also be a WP7 version of the phone as well.
But, dig around a bit and check out the apps that have hit the marketplace in the last month or so as well as the games. I think you may be pleasantly surprised. Then again...

Purple11 said:
With all the hype surround MANGO which I am waiting for, I dont think Microsoft will release any major update after that for a really long time..
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They are on a yearly cycle for major updates, like pretty much everyone else.

I am finding it increasingly difficult to do business with this phone, its been so long and yet their is no decent Calendar App like Pocket Informant. The built in calendar app is very basic, I want to create recurring appointment on every first Tuesday of a month which was possible on PI8 but not here.
I miss Apps like SPB Diary which let me scroll my entire contacts and entire days appointments right from the front screen, and SPB Pocket Plus which basically was what Android is right now, a choice of multiple home screens with one app, thats what SPB Pocket Plus was.
I want Resco Audio Recorder which auto recorded all my incoming and outgoing calls, not because I want to spy but because if someone tells me large reference number on phone I dont have to tap and write at that moment, I could just say go ahead i am writing it down, and later I would just play back that call and note down what was that number.
I want the missing file explorer which is their present in android right now.
Metratrader 4 app for real time live trading execution in currency and stocks right from your phone, nothing like that exists in WP7, I know we have it for Iphone I dont know about android..
We say we have so many number of apps and things like that, but look at the top 10 PAID apps in each of the categories..
Business:
6 are language learning, 3 are business cards, 2 are time tracker and one to tie knots...
Tools and Productivity:
2 flashlights, 1 night clock, 1 air horn, 1, dog whistle, 1 that saves pic in pdf format and calls itself 'scanner' (very poor scanning my direct camera photo is better than their PDF it include handy scan app too), 2 remote desktop (10 USD each)..
Personal Finance:
7 budget software (all exactly same, just store your spending, nothing else, useless, nothing like SPB Finance), remaninf 4 are market watch apps which all just does the same thing which is stream rates of top 10 cos from yahoo or google.. , no decent wallet app like CODEwallet Pro where we could create nice cards from desktop and sync it to wallet on phone, no actual trading app.. nothing..

Sounds like Android is a better fit for you.

PG2G said:
Sounds like Android is a better fit for you.
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Yep. Agreed.

In this kind of needs and preferences better try Android. WP7 is not really meant for this type of usage. This is what I have found for myself and while WP7 started to be frustrating after few months, Android solved everything for me in every respect.
I also want to see Mango and keep my Optimus 7 however some things are still not in the pipeline, like file explorers, USB docs/email sync and some apps like Opera Mini... And I'm afraid there won't by alternatives for core apps of WP7 either.

I understand your points well. I would also suggest that
Android is the right choise.
Just another way to look at things i would like to mention is, maybe most of the things you miss is just ways you USED to work with your phone? What ever WP is, its a new way to interact with your phone. For a old WM user like me, it was very wierd in the start, and i felt naked. I got used to it thou and currently having a replacment Android phone, while my current device is in for service. And now i miss my WP. It's strange how you miss the cow's afterwards.
Im staying with WP.
Just some thoughts from another side.

um..
I was thinking the same thing about switching to android, but I wont abandon wp all together. I'll give it a good year to mature

We have omnia7 and galaxy s. Of course the galaxy s fits better to my hardcore needs because it has al lot more options and you have a lot of custom roms and so on. BUT sometimes I'm really jealous about Omnia 7 perfect materials. And android is never as perfect designed as wp7. Android and its tons of different launchers is looking like an evolution of symbian and iOS. WP7 is something fresh and easy. Its what a phone is ment to be: a very easy and fast (internet) communication device. Not an overfilled little laptop.
So it's your choice: easy to use and well designed Omnia7 or a powerful plastic (gaming-)device with childish looking interface.
By the way: mango is awesome!

The galaxy s II is one of the finest android phones available. If you're looking for a feature set more similar to the old windows mobile ( and it sounds like you are), then Android is truly your best option.
Microsoft doesn't want a "complicated" phone platform anymore. They want consumer-facing, easy to use, social media and entertainment oriented with the ability to handle corporate e-mail, calendar and document editing if you need it in a pinch.
I doubt we're going to see anything like file managers or similar anytime soon, if at all.
I owned a Galaxy s II before selling it to a friend who needed a new phone, and I would purchase the device again in a heartbeat if I decided I wanted to use android.

Andrmgic said:
I doubt we're going to see anything like file managers or similar anytime soon, if at all.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure we won't. Hell, even desktop operating systems may be moving away from file managers.

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Yeah I'm pretty sure we won't. Hell, even desktop operating systems may be moving away from file managers.
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Yeah maybe in 2050. You must be kidding. For any profi usage these are the basics.

I will give this phone a try till December, if nothing comes up in the APP scene better than what it is at present than I will switch to Android perm for good.. I am not the one who keeps two phones or keep migrating from one to another OS frequently.. I just choose the best and stay with it for a long time..
i desperately need a better calendar app for appointments.. this whole wide calendar tile is just a wasteful eye candy which i have come to realize.. auto call recording which i guess with the absence of file explorer will never come to wp7.. i want to make my phone a USB on the Go like thing, a pen drive... 16 GB of total storage is too small..
I dont know how microsoft thinks they make a 3 horse race with these features missing.. its basically a two horse race, racing in front and a 3rd horse limping behind to catch the bets by people made by error ...

Purple11 said:
I dont know how microsoft thinks they make a 3 horse race with these features missing.. its basically a two horse race, racing in front and a 3rd horse limping behind to catch the bets by people made by error ...
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You have very specific requirements that the average user doesn't care about. Recording phone calls without consent isn't even legal in many states.

PG2G said:
You have very specific requirements that the average user doesn't care about. Recording phone calls without consent isn't even legal in many states.
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Yep. Microsoft isn't gearing this phone toward the likes of the geeks and tech nerds that frequent this forum. The average user makes up the majority of users, thus the demographic Microsoft seeks to lure to WP7.
As far as what you need, you will find that some of these things will come to WP7 like various calendar apps due to the vast number of APIs made available by MS.
You may also find that some of these things may never come or may not come for quite some time. I, for one, hope to never see a file explorer on WP7.
The fact is, this isn't android and that's a good thing. Each has its own role to play and fits in where they fit in. If WP7 had been around back in 2008 as the alternative to ATT and the iphone, android would most likely be a niche device for the above geeks and tech nerds.
That being said, only Android will fully fill your present and perhaps future needs.
Good luck. Whichever direction ya go.

Wyn6 said:
As far as what you need, you will find that some of these things will come to WP7 like various calendar apps due to the vast number of APIs made available by MS.
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That's one of the things that I was thinking about as I read what he wanted to do. Unfortunately, Mango only allows for read-only access to the Contacts and Appointments. The only way to create an app like that (that actually integrates with the existing calendar app) would be to make the changes in the cloud and let the phone sync like normal. I guess you could always have a 100% standalone calendar app though.

I also want to say that the inability to expand memory using SDHC card will restrict many companies to bring their larger good graphics game to WP7... I have 16GB but I know their are people with only 8GB memory and they cannot expand it..
Now checkout this game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CwSedSzckE&feature=relmfu
It looks a very heavy game by memory wise , if we want games like this on WP7 than 8GB device is a very small handset to have several of this kind of game.. I dont think gameloft can bring such games to WP7 with current restrictions on expandable memory..

****ty textures.. probably fits into the 400-500mb range.
The iphone version weighs in at 511MB..
You should probably get the SGS II and be done with it. You're not likely to find a better android device this year, and android will serve your purposes better than WP7.
It'll play 1080p h264 video in a mkv container without re-encoding.. and supports HDMI out using a MHL adapter.
Even with Mango's new APIs, you're not going to get the same level of functionality that you're looking for.
1. WP7 apps are not written using native code, they use silverlight, XNA or a combination of the two
2. There will never be a file manager or a task manager
3. There is no bluetooth file transfer
4. No Expandable storage
5. Small number of applications (this will be less of an issue as time goes by.. the marketplace is growing fairly rapidly)
6. Limited hardware options
7. No true multitasking (applications don't run constantly in the background until they are exited.. they do on android)
8. No Usb mass storage

I have both devices.
Maybe i can help you a bit.
I do have both devices (+ I have some more). It was part of the benefits of my last job and also part ( almost a requirement) of my actual one.
- If you switch to Android from Wp7 you feel like going back to WinMO a bit. Tons of Rom's,tons of walpapers but milligrams if you need help.
- The greatest benefit of WP7 is the unified platform. Maybe you don't realize it atm, but for 99% of people I've spoken to, it's a deal breaker.
- Not, I repeat, not my solely opinion: everything onscreen with Omnia7 looks better than on SGS2. People always want to tinker with the Omnia7 when I put both phones on the table (sometimes I carry the IPhone 4 with me also).
- SGS2 is literally bloated with redundant crapware. If you guys have ever bought a Sony Vaio in 2008-2010, this is worse.
- SGS2 takes mindblowing photos and FullHD videos (that they don't look like shot through a fishbowl).
-there are some neat tricks bundled on SGS2 but nothing you can't dl from market for free.
-battery is on par.
-voice commands are better on WP7.
-SGS2 feels like under development. 16bit graphics + wake up lag...for amoled+ and dual core? WTF?
- WP7 is more on the legal side, harder to sideload stolen/cracked apps. On android, on the other hand, you get hundreds of forums just for that.
If you have more questions I'd be happy to answer.

switch from android to wp7?

im using the samsung infuse 4g and thinking about trying a wp7 phone. I want a wp7 phone that compares or is better than my infuse. What phones are out there and what can i expect when switching from android os? thanks

I wouldnt do it. WP7 hardware can't compare to the Infuse. The Infuse is actually one hell of a phone and has so much more with it. WP7 is basically featureless with no sign of improvement. It'll be a dead system before long.
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MartyLK said:
I wouldnt do it. WP7 hardware can't compare to the Infuse. The Infuse is actually one hell of a phone and has so much more with it. WP7 is basically featureless with no sign of improvement. It'll be a dead system before long.
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dead, even with mango coming out?

speedfreak228 said:
dead, even with mango coming out?
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coughing up blood......

Big mistake!!! Don't even try to jump to WM7, you will regret it! Android has more and better options that wm7.
Good luck!
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speedfreak228 said:
dead, even with mango coming out?
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Don't bother trying to reason with him. I can tell it's useless by the kind of post he made.
@OP: I suggest going to you carrier's local store & playing with the WP7 handset(s) they have & see if you like WP7 first & foremost. My suggestion as to which device, I'd say go for a Mango 2nd Gen handset with a Front Facing Camera & a 1.4-5 GHz CPU as these's will be more bang for your buck & will most likely receive more updates down the road. No telling when the 1st Gen devices will loose support. As to Hardware, it doesn't matter as much on WP7, because a 1GHz CPU is faster than "some" faster Android devices & even the Android Dual Cores. I did say some though, there's a few that can keep up.

Why so many people who hate the platform in here? All you android fans seem to have way too much time on your hands. Can't remember the last time I even went into an Android forum.
I for one left Android & the iPhone and will never go back. Mango kicks the crap out of either of them I don't care if your processor is newer.

dtboos said:
Why so many people who hate the platform in here? All you android fans seem to have way too much time on your hands. Can't remember the last time I even went into an Android forum.
I for one left Android & the iPhone and will never go back. Mango kicks the crap out of either of them I don't care if your processor is newer.
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ya why are android users posting useless info here? i just watched a mango review on pocketnow.com and mango looks really impressive. is there any real customization to mango? can you change the wallpaper to something besides black or white, i think that might buy me? also will it sync to my google contacts? idont use ms office at all.

Go for it. Windows Phone 7.5 is much better OS than Android 2.3.5 - faster, with much better design, with great Facebook / Twitter / LinkedIn integration, Office Hub (Word, Excel, OneNote, PowerPoint), Xbox Live and many other stuff. All apps follow design guidelines and are fluent, unlike in Android.
As is Office 2010 + SkyDrive + Hotmail and/or Office365 + Office Online + SharePoint is much better than Gmail and Docs, so is Mango better than Android. I would suggest staying with Android only if you rely on Google services.

I personally would not do it. The infuse has betterhardware than second Gen WP devices and Android is clearly superior at this point in time. Wait another year imo...
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speedfreak228 said:
ya why are android users posting useless info here? i just watched a mango review on pocketnow.com and mango looks really impressive. is there any real customization to mango? can you change the wallpaper to something besides black or white, i think that might buy me? also will it sync to my google contacts? idont use ms office at all.
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It's very simple. And you will understand once you've owned a WP7 device for about a month. People who love WP7 in the beginning and think it is the best system yet, turn against it because there just isn't any customization with it. The current crop of WP7 phones don't have the features you have with phones like the Infuse. And worst of all, the "system-on-a-chip" architecture of WP7 prevents it from having superior sound quality. There is no dedicated audio chip in the works to provide good SQ. The Infuse is believed to have an audio chip from Yamaha. And I can confirm, with my high-end IEMs, it is a superior sounding phone. The best I've ever heard on a smartphone. And on par with the Wolfson-equipped Cowons.
If you want to play with a WP7 phone for a while and experience for yourself how boring and useless it currently is, find one from a store that has a good return policy like Best Buy. Play with it for 20 days and see for yourself. Then return it once you see what we all mean.
Mango is not out yet and there is no date for it to be released. It could come anywhere from Sep. 23 to Dec. 21....maybe. And Mango won't give you better hardware. What you buy today is all you have...no FFC, no NFC, no good audio chip, poor battery life. Mango won't give you any of those. You'll need to wait till better WP7 hardware is released with those features. And your guess is as good as anyone's as to when MS will release better hardware. MS doesn't give out firm dates. And they allow the public to speculate wildly with rumors of new releases and don't even bother to take 1 minute to tweet about the facts.
That's why I say WP7 will be dead...because the company ignores what they need to do and are way too slow about doing anything. They act like they don't care about the system. They released a system without the common features of today. WP7 will go the way of the Kin. MS won't find the necessary support and cooperation they need from the carriers because the carriers have no confidence in MS...especially after the Kin fiasco. MS introduced WP7 as a system they would have control of, providing all of the updates and controlling implementation. They devised the hardware specs so that they could provide updates to all WP7 phones at the same time safely. That has no happened and it is understood MS is allowing the carriers to control the updates.
I have a Samsung Focus with NoDo and another device with Mango on it. They rarely get used because there just isn't anything I can do with them unlike what I can with my Androids...especially my glorious and overwhelmingly awesome Infuse. The base foundation of WP7 is excellent. It's super smooth and elegant. But there's nothing there once your get tired of it. With other systems, there is always something you can do to alleviate boredom. Not so with WP7. I suppose you could satisfy yourself with going to the games directory of the Marketplace to see what new games came...WP7 does have some very fine games from time to time. And this is basically the extent of my WP7 usage. But I'm glad I have other phones. I can't even use my WP7 phones for voice-guided navigation because there isn't any.
Go ahead, find out for yourself...buy one from Best Buy. You'll have about 20 days to return it.

i guess it all depends on what do you want it for. Hardware (cpu) is irrelevant, windows ME would suck even with an i7.

If you like music like I do...WP7 is a must. Zune Pass is the best offer in the market.
if I am in the market I would wait a few months...couple of new hardware coming out that looks pretty darn nice.

Gaming scene in Android is awesome .. Better than iPhone ... Forget Xbox tapping kiddo games of wp7 .. I will switch to Android in June next month if we don't get any call of duty like FPS game in Xbox by than.. Don't do it.. The MP is dead.. No apps.. No games.. No business .. Nothing.. It only looks good.. That's it.. Nothing else.. Zero productivity .. Zero entertainment .. I m pretty much fedup n m just waiting for my zunepass subscription to expire in June.. That's when I will move to Android for good...
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Purple11 said:
Gaming scene in Android is awesome .. Better than iPhone ... Forget Xbox tapping kiddo games of wp7 .. I will switch to Android in June next month if we don't get any call of duty like FPS game in Xbox by than.. Don't do it.. The MP is dead.. No apps.. No games.. No business .. Nothing.. It only looks good.. That's it.. Nothing else.. Zero productivity .. Zero entertainment .. I m pretty much fedup n m just waiting for my zunepass subscription to expire in June.. That's when I will move to Android for good...
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your post is mind blowing. who really do hardcore gaming on a phone?

Laughing my arse off, so many haters.
I wouldn't swap my Omnia 7 for my friend's GSII. We both purchased them around the same time and our experiences are jarringly different - I'm pleasantly surprised again and again on Mango, while he's run into hiccups (laggy lockscreen, FaceBook friends merged with contacts and can't be selectively chosen, hit "update all" and his apps started updating over cellular data with no pause/cancel).
Mango blows Android out of the water in terms of core experience. If you don't like the look of Windows Phone, don't buy it. You can read the limitless articles on the Internet and try out a device. If you were expecting deep customization, you're not going to get it.
I purchased a Windows Phone because Windows Mobile frustrated me. Once you've been in the customization game for long enough, you know that it will never match a purely unified, integrated system.
@Purple11, first person shooters on a touchscreen device? I don't think that's a deal-breaker for anyone. CoD on a phone simply won't work.
@MartyLK, it all just WORKS. That's probably why you get bored, there's not as much excitement when it's all just great.

MartyLK said:
People who love WP7 in the beginning and think it is the best system yet, turn against it because there just isn't any customization with it.
And Mango won't give you better hardware. What you buy today is all you have...no FFC, no NFC, no good audio chip, poor battery life. Mango won't give you any of those. You'll need to wait till better WP7 hardware is released with those features.
I can't even use my WP7 phones for voice-guided navigation because there isn't any.
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I loved it from the beginning & still do, so false. Yes, I do miss customizing, but now I save 1000's of hours I used to waste customizing/hacking/tweaking my cell phone.
Yes & no, Mango does give new hardware that can be used. Of course it won't add new hardware to current device. Software updates can't do that. HTC's new devices are already on their official site, so they should be out any time now. They also have FFC & WP7 has much better battery life than Android. I have 50% battery life after 8 hrs of moderate to heavy use with a lot of 3G+ internet browsing. Another false statement.
There's Garmin & Navigon is coming in Mango, so yes there is voice-guided navigation. False yet again.
In the end, WP7 does everything the typical user could need minus Video MMS & Flash support. Neither of which I miss. I can listen to music, watch movies, call text, send pictures, browse the internet, watch Youtube, connect on Facebook & Tweeter, etc. & do so fast & efficiently. Voice commands work great. I currently work in delivery & constantly use Bing Maps to get directions & can't state how great & fast it is to just tell the phone the address or cross street instead of typing it in. My co-workers look at me funny when they see me do it. They all have Androids, go figure.

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I loved it from the beginning & still do, so false. Yes, I do miss customizing, but now I save 1000's of hours I used to waste customizing/hacking/tweaking my cell phone.
Yes & no, Mango does give new hardware that can be used. Of course it won't add new hardware to current device. Software updates can't do that. HTC's new devices are already on their official site, so they should be out any time now. They also have FFC & WP7 has much better battery life than Android. I have 50% battery life after 8 hrs of moderate to heavy use with a lot of 3G+ internet browsing. Another false statement.
There's Garmin & Navigon is coming in Mango, so yes there is voice-guided navigation. False yet again.
In the end, WP7 does everything the typical user could need minus Video MMS & Flash support. Neither of which I miss. I can listen to music, watch movies, call text, send pictures, browse the internet, watch Youtube, connect on Facebook & Tweeter, etc. & do so fast & efficiently. Voice commands work great. I currently work in delivery & constantly use Bing Maps to get directions & can't state how great & fast it is to just tell the phone the address or cross street instead of typing it in. My co-workers look at me funny when they see me do it. They all have Androids, go figure.
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That's false. My Focus is horrendous for battery life. And even sitting unused, without the email syncing, I have to charge it every other day. The HD7 I had was just as horrendous as the Focus. Not so with my other phones. Android can be a battery hog. But the Infuse is the best Android phone I've seen for battery life.
How is what I said false about the navigation? Is there voice-guided navigation on WP7 right now? And has there been any voice-guided navigation from the launch of WP7?
And just because you haven't turned against it doesn't mean what I said was false. I know of people who can't stand WP7 now. But they were feverish for it in the beginning.

MartyLK said:
That's false. My Focus is horrendous for battery life. And even sitting unused, without the email syncing, I have to charge it every other day. The HD7 I had was just as horrendous as the Focus. Not so with my other phones. Android can be a battery hog. But the Infuse is the best Android phone I've seen for battery life.
How is what I said false about the navigation? Is there voice-guided navigation on WP7 right now? And has there been any voice-guided navigation from the launch of WP7?
And just because you haven't turned against it doesn't mean what I said was false. I know of people who can't stand WP7 now. But they were feverish for it in the beginning.
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It's false, because you give the misconception that everyone who loved it will eventually hate it or grow bored. Yes, there is a current GPS app, Garmin. I already said this & there are a few others in the market. Sorry, I get great battery life & to expect to get more than 2 days on heavy to moderate usage with a smartphone, you're expecting too much. It's not a dumb-phone where you can go a week without charging & most likely won't change anytime soon.
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@MartyLK, it all just WORKS. That's probably why you get bored, there's not as much excitement when it's all just great.
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Exactly, when I pull out my HD7, it just WORKS. It does what I need it to without endless tweaking/customizing. I now have my life back. It's like having a laptop in my pocket.