Hi there!
I'm pretty much a newbie at Android(actually, I'm more like an upcoming newbie, cause I don't have any phones with Android yet).
In my case I am going to buy either the "Google Nexus One" or the "HTC Desire". I prefer the interface of the Desire, but I have tried my friends HTC Hero, and came to HATE the HTC Sense UI.
Therefore, I wonder if there is a simple way to get the original Android OS 2.1 onto the HTC Desire.
Yes, I've heard of Launcher2.apk(or whatever it's called), but that's not what I'm lookin' for. I want to simply replace the HTC Sense with Android OS 2.1, so that I can enjoy the hardware buttons and feel of Desire - and the simplicity and originality of Android OS 2.1. And if it's possible, then I want to have the stock version of Android OS 2.1 - NOT A MOD OF IT.
As long as there is no need for extracting files in Linux(I have both Windows and Mac) and no need for any coding or such things, then I'm capable of doing it. If you can, please post a rating of how simple it is(1 to 10, where one is dead simple).
Last thing - will the optical trackpad(or any of the hardware stuff) work with Android OS 2.1?
Thanks!
knowsbest said:
Hi there!
I'm pretty much a newbie at Android(actually, I'm more like an upcoming newbie, cause I don't have any phones with Android yet).
In my case I am going to buy either the "Google Nexus One" or the "HTC Desire". I prefer the interface of the Desire, but I have tried my friends HTC Hero, and came to HATE the HTC Sense UI.
Therefore, I wonder if there is a simple way to get the original Android OS 2.1 onto the HTC Desire.
Yes, I've heard of Launcher2.apk(or whatever it's called), but that's not what I'm lookin' for. I want to simply replace the HTC Sense with Android OS 2.1, so that I can enjoy the hardware buttons and feel of Desire - and the simplicity and originality of Android OS 2.1. And if it's possible, then I want to have the stock version of Android OS 2.1 - NOT A MOD OF IT.
As long as there is no need for extracting files in Linux(I have both Windows and Mac) and no need for any coding or such things, then I'm capable of doing it. If you can, please post a rating of how simple it is(1 to 10, where one is dead simple).
Last thing - will the optical trackpad(or any of the hardware stuff) work with Android OS 2.1?
Thanks!
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If you don't like the Sense UI then why not buy the N1 instead? It would be easier, carry warranty and so what you want it to do. The track ball over the optical mouse is not enough to warrant you bricking your phone to remove Sense UI from your device.
I happen to think that the Sense UI is what makes the Desire more Desirable than the N1. I know that I can get an N1 now and root it then place the Desire Sense UI on it but why?
If you don't like the Sense UI then why not buy the N1 instead? It would be easier, carry warranty and so what you want it to do. The track ball over the optical mouse is not enough to warrant you bricking your phone to remove Sense UI from your device.
I happen to think that the Sense UI is what makes the Desire more Desirable than the N1. I know that I can get an N1 now and root it then place the Desire Sense UI on it but why?
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Yeah I see your point, and honestly I do agree with you - BUT - I think that the Desire looks so much better, and at the same time it has the buttons that aint touch capasative(I hate touch capasative buttons ).
Why I'm really asking this is that I am going to buy a phone that I can have for a long time(not like my iPhone 3G). Therefore I want to buy a phone that will not annoy me in any way.
But, if it's not worth taking the chance, then, damn it, I'll just have to go for the Nexus One.
why do you hate Sense UI, because of the "look" or because of the HTC Apps (like Contacts, Photos etc..).
Deactivation of Sense UI is no problem at all, getting rid of the HTC Programs is a (big) problem and installing / finding the N1 counterparts is a problem too.
sry for my english
Once the phone is rooted properly then it will be possible to install a N1 stock rom.
I'd say for now just buy a Desire and use the Launcher2.apk method and wait patiently. The launcher 2 method is pretty decent for now!
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If you don't like the Sense UI then why not buy the N1 instead? It would be easier, carry warranty and so what you want it to do. The track ball over the optical mouse is not enough to warrant you bricking your phone to remove Sense UI from your device.
I happen to think that the Sense UI is what makes the Desire more Desirable than the N1. I know that I can get an N1 now and root it then place the Desire Sense UI on it but why?
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look dude theres a whole thread on this and the reasons range from it not being avalible easily in my country and the FACT that the desire is cheaper
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look dude theres a whole thread on this and the reasons range from it not being avalible easily in my country and the FACT that the desire is cheaper
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yeah, same here, N1 aint available in my country yet... Still there is a way to get it(through JetCarrier), but it's a lot easier to buy the Desire.
But should it not be a way to install the system via the Android SDK?
Watercool: I just don't like anything about Sense. Not the apps, not the interface and not the widgets...
I'm with you on this. In fact, for the Desire is my first-ever Android phone, I have actually not yet seen Android's native interface, because it's concealed under the Sense!
I agree with you in not liking the Sense interface too much. I saw a Youtube clip showing what must have been a pre-sale sample of the phone, running HTC Sense and stock Android at the same time (i.e. you could easily switch between the two). It's a shame HTC has removed this option from the final product. Speaking of the company, I've been using HTC phones since as long as, maybe, 2000/02, and I really don't get this company sometimes, for all respect I have for them. They make peculiar design/usability decisions sometimes, and more often than not, not to the benefit of their customers, i.e. people who are their "bread and butter."
Congrats with the phone then! Just got my Nexus One too. Desided that it was worth to buy it, because of me getting the updates faster and a simpler and less bloated interface. Also sense has so many ugly sides(as your saying, when you talk about HTC'bad choices).
I am extremely satisfied with my phone, and will never be able to go back to my old iPhone 3GS. I'm actually writing with my Nexus right now!
But to be fair with both HTC and Google, I have to say that a little more from both worlds would be nice. For example is the widgets on Nexus One totally lame. I miss all the eidgets from my old HTC Tattoo, even though the phone itself sucked. Worst is: I can't buy any widgets from the market, since I'm in Norway... But again, I won't miss anything else from Sense. Stock Android mostly kicks it's ass!
Last thing that is a need for me, and that probably won't be fixed very soon, is bacground music control(as when you double click home button in iPhone, and get the previous/pause/next controles for the music app. If anyone know how to do that, please help me!!!!
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I'm with you on this. In fact, for the Desire is my first-ever Android phone, I have actually not yet seen Android's native interface, because it's concealed under the Sense!
I agree with you in not liking the Sense interface too much. I saw a Youtube clip showing what must have been a pre-sale sample of the phone, running HTC Sense and stock Android at the same time (i.e. you could easily switch between the two). It's a shame HTC has removed this option from the final product. Speaking of the company, I've been using HTC phones since as long as, maybe, 2000/02, and I really don't get this company sometimes, for all respect I have for them. They make peculiar design/usability decisions sometimes, and more often than not, not to the benefit of their customers, i.e. people who are their "bread and butter."
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You can easily switch back to the native android Homescreen on the Desire.
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You can easily switch back to the native android Homescreen on the Desire.
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Well then don't keep it to yourself?! How?
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Well then don't keep it to yourself?! How?
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Help yourself USE SEARCH <<< Its what it was made for.
It has been discussd many times across multipul post, in multipul guides.
Dont be so lazy!
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If this phone gets to the US through att (please!) I'm thinking hard about picking it up. I have a question though for the users that have switched from winmo to android.
I've been a winmo user since the wizard days and here lately I've grown tired of the daily resets (or multiple resets per day) to keep memory down and things running smooth. I love the Sense UI but it's a hog on winmo. I never thought I'd go to another phone that didn't have a slide out keyboard but the desire is something I'm really considering.
I realize this is a modding community and I'm sure I'll mod the device, but whereas the sense ui on winmo is "lipstick on a pig" it seems it's a lot more seamless on android.
Mainly i think i'm just getting burned out on winmo, but i refuse to support the evil empire of apple lol. I just want a phone that i don't have to restart every day, and I'm hoping android can be that.
So uh, does android "just work"?
Depending on how much of a "power user" one is , you could say Android just works.
I mean, Android with Sense + some minor tweaks and i don't have the urge to hack my phone into little pieces. I just use it.
Then again, for "just using" you might aswell get the iPhone.
Yes android does "Just Work"
And Sense UI on WinMo is completely different to the Android version, I couldn't believe they called it the same name =/
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Yes android does "Just Work"
And Sense UI on WinMo is completely different to the Android version, I couldn't believe they called it the same name =/
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what u mean by different? whats so different?
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what u mean by different? whats so different?
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Some of the design and the widgets of course and the integration. Plus it's slower on winmo than on android...
Almost identical reasons as the OP for me very seriously considering moving to the Desire.
Sense on Android does seem far more customisable than on WinMo devices. I've been using WinMo device since the Imate JAM.
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what u mean by different? whats so different?
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Sense UI on winmo is basically touchflo
I'm a die hard WinMo fan (I have well over a dozen WinMo phones right now - all HTC except 2). I want the Desire if for no other reason to hack something different while I wait for Windows Mobile 7 (which I may not get). If for no other reason, I ran out of things to hack on Windows Mobile. I need a new challenge. If I end up not liking Android, at least it kept me busy while we wait for Windows Mobile 7 (I refuse to call it anything else).
I picked up an iPhone 3GS just to see what I could do with it. Never even activated it. Not one of my prouder moments...
-Mc
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I'm a die hard WinMo fan (I have well over a dozen WinMo phones right now - all HTC except 2). I want the Desire if for no other reason to hack something different while I wait for Windows Mobile 7 (which I may not get). If for no other reason, I ran out of things to hack on Windows Mobile. I need a new challenge. If I end up not liking Android, at least it kept me busy while we wait for Windows Mobile 7 (I refuse to call it anything else).
I picked up an iPhone 3GS just to see what I could do with it. Never even activated it. Not one of my prouder moments...
-Mc
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same here... i absolutely love WinMo and will never, ever abandon it. i'm waiting for the HD2 to drop on T-Mo so i can test before i buy. if i get the HD2 it will be the Telstra version. i might wait longer for a WinMo 7 device, too.
i took the Android plunge almost 2 months ago with the Nexus One. i have been challenged to no end to learn some of the Android basics, but i'm getting there. once i got the courage to unlock and root, it was friggin on! now i'm running the alpha Desire ROM (yes alpha), a.k.a, Sense UI, which isn't perfect, but from a functionality and performance perspective i couldn't be happier. (well, that's not entirely true, i'm hoping that [email protected] can get bluetooth fixed, it's a little flaky right now). i truly, truly hope that WM Seven is similar in performance and functionality.
using Android hasn't been an easy journey and i was very concerned that i'd change my mind and go back to WinMo, but it hasn't happened. i know i will be a better, more knowledgeable hacker in the future. some of the things i admire with Android/Nexus One:
ability to create backups before testing new ROMs. i mean backups with all my apps installed. a.k.a., Nandroid
the ability to recover from my mistakes via Nandroid backups.
a buttload of themes, customizations galore for the Nexus One
notification panel, where you can slide down for all your notifications
a great browsing experience
absolutely beautiful AMOLED screen
with a 1 ghz processor, this thing is simply fast
gesture search of contacts, music, apps, web, etc. it's like the old graffiti but using the regular alphabet
things that are challenging me big time:
Android command language
ROM/folder structures, basically where stuff get's stored
java, java, java
no native install to microSD card, there's AP2SD, but i'm not ready for that yet
not knowing how Android manages memory, programs, etc.
knowing how to create my own themes; i've had more failures than successes
having to depend more on others for assistance than i'm accustomed to.
i'm glad i made the transition to Android with the right device (for me). i miss WinMo and my all time favorite device Touch HD. i have an Xda Orbit II as a standby that's been good to me for 2 years. i'll be back to WinMo 7, but for now, i'm enjoying my Android experience.
i'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to move to Android; i only want to share my experience as a current/forever, diehard WinMo user. thanks for allowing me to express my thoughts!
p.s. i still have my first WinMo device, it's an MPx 200 running WinMo 6.5. a classic device that i will never give up!
I can not call myself a WinMo veteran, since I have been using the HD2 for only 2,5 months. But the fact that it is already a dead device because of the Developers leaving to 7 Series(Adobe just stopped making flash for it, while they were very close to finishing it) makes me sad. If on 1 April there is still no word on the future of the HD2, I am selling it and getting a Desire.
A few questions to Android users!
How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?
General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?
Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?
Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?
What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?
I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.
Kind regards
great time to stumble on this thread.... my HD2 is no more and despite only using winmo for 3 months, I'm ready to go to Android too.
I'm no smartphone veteran - but something I enjoyed on the HD2 was the PSX emulator - will we see anything like that on Android?
Does anyone know about the development of medical apps for professionals as well as students?
Much appreciated.So far the Desire is looking like a strong contender but do the wise folks here have any other phone tips?
Hi there.
I am quite a WinMobile user. I already worked with WinCE many many years ago, but couldn't ever think of having a phone with WinCE/WinMobile. Then 2 years ago, I got myself the Tytn II because I wanted to advance in my mobile experience. After using it quite a while, flashing ROMs and doing stuff with it, I thought I'd never switch away from WinMobile. Until the real problems started.
A friend of mine got a Hero last year and I started playing around a bit. Android really seemed to me, that it is pretty nice and you can do a bunch of things with it. I then tried some Android things on my Tytn II and was pretty happy with playing around with it. My first Android experience was with the G1. But I really didn't like it back then.
Currently I use the iPhone I repaired for a friend (just some minor testing because I don't like it) and I must say, that I am already pretty accustomed to the touchscreen keyboard (like everyone knows, the touchscreen keyboards on Tytn II are crap) (and the iPhone sucks... did I mention that?). But, I always wanted a hardware keyboard again. The only good device currently is the Moto Droid. But it already lacks due to the processor and not natively having Android 2.1. So I looked around a bit and found the Nexus One. Would be pretty cool, but it's still not yet available in germany. So I waited. Then the MWC. HTC Desire. Now this is what I want and this is what I will get. Already pre-ordered and hopefully it will hit the market soon. Can't wait for it.
This will be my first Android device, but I look forward to a bright future with it I already like the customizability of it and of course the big screen and everything else. Despite the little things.
Well google, you lost a customer because of your inability to provide a new product to the whole world at the same time. Perhaps I'll think about it in 2 years
Balrog82 said:
Well google, you lost a customer because of your inability to provide a new product to the whole world at the same time. Perhaps I'll think about it in 2 years
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I would say that anything with android on it would still be considered a google phone since google came up with android in the first place. They get a customer either way
However, I have no idea how they make money out of this since it is open source. Maybe they are like huge donators to a charity for all us techno geeks, just to make life more pleasant for us.
Just wanted to say I recently traded my tp2 for 200$ plus a G1, and I couldn't have been happier. The G1 is GREAT. It's not rooted yet, but I already like the experience more then the Tp2 with sense.
Im going to be trading the G1 for a Magic soon, and I will get sense on that. Im sure I will enjoy it even more then.
I liked winmo 6.5. But 7 looks like garbage to me. So I jumped ship from a dieing platform, and I suggest others to do so aswell. Android is great.
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im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
sallal said:
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
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Your reasons why the HD2 (with WM 6.5) is better than Android:
1. Yes, it has a 4.3 inch screen, and currently there is no Android device that has such a huge screen. I myself find the screen beautiful, but would not mind using a slightly smaller screen. The HTC HD2 can be hard to use sometimes, because of that massive screen.
2. The 1 GHz processor is fast indeed, but the Nexus One and HTC Desire both have a 1 GHz processor as well. Since most people here are talking about the HTC Desire, this point makes no sense. Both have a 1 GHz processor.
3. Android Market = 20.000 apps and growing, fast. WM Marketplace = biggest Smartphone Application Store failure ever. Seriously.
And yes, there may be many 'apps' on the internet that you can use on the HTC HD2. But really, of what quality are they? First of all, they are random spread on the internet, so very hard to find. Secondly, they are made for Windows Mobile in GENERAL, or if you are lucky for Windows Mobile 6.5. But then again, it could be made for another device, with a 3.5 inch screen, which means it will not be optimized for the HTC HD2.
So what I am trying to say is: the HTC HD2 lacks good apps. Android Market on the other hand offers many applications, which are easy to find and install & usually better quality.
4. I think that you can use custom ROMs on Android devices as well, but I am no expert in that area.
So my vision is still, HTC Desire > HTC HD2
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4. I think that you can use custom ROMs on Android devices as well, but I am no expert in that area.
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Android, unlike win mo, is an open source operating system so the scope for new roms, new featurs etc is better than Windows Mobile.
Check G1 Android Development or Nexus One Android Development to see the vast amount of roms avaliable.
sallal said:
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
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Sorry mate but I think a mega fail on your part, you just bought a device that can only run at this stage on a dying OS that will be unsupported shortly. No new fancy apps or games..... And technically you are not a convert, so why you posting?
I will be switching to the desire after having my blackstone for a year. I hate win-mo. No matter which version (6.1 -too old, 6.5 - still ugly and looks the same as 6.1, or 6.5.x which looks slightly better but that's it) I always try and improve things. That's the prob I find, it doesn't do what most people want it to do straight out of the box. You have to apply a zillion reg fixes, patches, work arounds all to get something android does straight out of the box..... Can't wait!!!! been fiddling with android on my blackstone and it rules, so pretty and logical
For reference on the switching to Android from WM thing, I bought an n1 a month or so ago, with great hesitation, and came from a TP2. I've been an avid WM guy for about 2 years, mostly due to being amazed at eeeeverything you could do.
The just works thing is the best answer. But it's also more of a black box, yet more customizable. linux is no registry having windows system. however, sense on android makes wm touchflo rediculous. The home system is completely different but similar thinking. The Android homescreen with sense is seven screens, customizable completely and easily with either shortcuts or widgets, smaller tiny always on versions of programs that you choose. htc designed a widget to replace each pane on the WM version, for example text email weather etc.
But there is a big similarity. The weather clock, the dialer, the keyboard, and mostly the weather widget, is exactly, down to color and design, the same. And so when converting to Android, if you liked htc, the desire will be instantly usable.
For more info you can search my thread in the TP2 forum. By the way I am dying to have an Android phone released like the TP2, except more 2010: very thin, wider screen, good speakerphone nice keyboard. I'ld buy that droid in a heartbeat if it was gsm, b ut i hate the keyboard. thats the idea though, or like the toshiba g1 w/ the qwerty version.
Since android 3.0 will have a nice UI on it's own,wheres that leave the evo and HTC? Will the evo get 3.0? If so will HTC overlay sense ontop if that's the case i'll drop this evo quickly.. any thoughts are appreciated
evo will most likely be getting it, any devices with 4 inch screen, 1ghz cpu and minuim 500mb ram is suppose to be eligible and even if they don't the wizards in the dev forums will find a way
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Yeah it's not so much a matter of getting it,but since android with have it's own revamped UI Will HTC still "Senseify" it? lol senseify
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Yeah it's not so much a matter of getting it,but since android with have it's own revamped UI Will HTC still "Senseify" it? lol senseify
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I doubt it.
the death of third party User Interface shells like HTC Sense, MotoBlur, etc;. Android 3.0 basically kills the need for them.
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Ahhhh I do love the XDA devs
That's what i hope as i'm still with my hero and upgrading to the evo soon and sense was beautiful when i first started out modding my phone and generally with 2.2 being released soon,3.0 on the horizon and all the awesome home replacements such as launcherpro,adw,etc i just dont see a need giving up updates for sense as i'm growing away from it.. But HTC is the only manufacturer i buy phones from so let's hope no sense or they make it apps and widgets only like motoblur on the droidx
As far as the minimum specs that were reported - the guy who leaked that later clarified that they weren't the minimum required, they were just the recommended.
Looks like I'm in the minority here. I don't think HTC will add sense to it. I KNOW they will. It's a trademark thing that they will want to do. They put Sense on 1.5 and even though 2.1 had Launcher2 they still put Sense on top of that. Just remember it's not just a home replacement. It's a whole framework. It runs the Sense apps and has a lot of backgrounding involved such as pulling down the weather, stocks, FB, Flickr, etc. HTC has branded themselves with Sense on both Android and WinMo and there is no way they would abandon that branding. Sad but true.
At least you can remove Sense. And for those who really hate Sense, there will be Sense-free ROMs available.
No need to worry, we're not that locked down.
Thank god for xda
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Looks like I'm in the minority here. I don't think HTC will add sense to it. I KNOW they will. It's a trademark thing that they will want to do. They put Sense on 1.5 and even though 2.1 had Launcher2 they still put Sense on top of that. Just remember it's not just a home replacement. It's a whole framework. It runs the Sense apps and has a lot of backgrounding involved such as pulling down the weather, stocks, FB, Flickr, etc. HTC has branded themselves with Sense on both Android and WinMo and there is no way they would abandon that branding. Sad but true.
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i COMPLETELY agree. HTC will never let go of sense because thats what sets apart their phones from other phones. it is their trademark. WE ALL KNOW that HTC would rather keep their phones running outdated software if that means they get to keep their crap. so expect gingerbread to have Sense.
thank god for our devs.
i really wish google would take a stance on these overlays like MS is doing with windows phone seven series, it overall help with upgrading software, and have htc create exclusive widgets i like their widgets. But the differences in performance with and then without sense is crazy
Any updates on Gingerbread ?
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Any updates on Gingerbread ?
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Agree 100% that sense will be involved. HTC and sense are like bread and butter. They have been using this for a long while on their phones(touchflo). Nothing will stop the monster that is sense. Look at windows phone 7. Even with something so closed off. They still found a way to infect it.
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Wow first one to vote, maybe im just abit excited lol.
Omnia 7 is at the top of my list atm. GSMARENA has a good review of the device already (no idea how they got hold of it)
Im gonna hang on to my current device and by a WP7 phone when they start coming out with a second line of phones.
just bought my desire. WinMo 7 doesn't look too customizable, but only time will tell
Former long time windows mobile user, not impressed, Ill stick with my EVO for now.
Going to get a better Android phone I think... probably Samsung Epic 4G now or Evo (more than the WP7) ones now.
Once I see multiple calendar support, we'll talk. As for now: never.
Like a lot of people here, I have a HTC HD2 and am running WM6.5 and Android 2.2 on it. So, for me, I'll consider a WP7 device once my HD2 either dies (let's pray it never happens) or maybe in 6-12months when it's time for an upgrade.
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Like a lot of people here, I have a HTC HD2 and am running WM6.5 and Android 2.2 on it. So, for me, I'll consider a WP7 device once my HD2 either dies (let's pray it never happens) or maybe in 6-12months when it's time for an upgrade.
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Me too.... HD2 forever
Our beloved HD2s can run any OS so why switch to WP7 when the HD2 already runs it (Not public yet!)
The hardware in most (currently presented) WP7 devices is as good as our HD2's
So.. maybe I will buy one if the hardware is superior to the HD2's!!!
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Once I see multiple calendar support, we'll talk. As for now: never.
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Um, there is multiple calendar support.
Looks great to me, especially the Dell Venue Pro.
Sure, why not. Every HTC phone that I have had was Windows. Why would I give up now? I have played with the HTC EVO running Android, and I do not like it. I prefer Windows. That is my own personal opinion and choice from experience, and somewhat from what I have spoken with other people who have Android phones from different manufactures, which I have personaly tried and played with for a while with each and every one of them.
I just prefer Windows over anything else.
maybe and unsure is about the same.
im hoping it can be ported to the hd2. that'll save me some money
for sure i will buy the WP7 phone HD7 i think... as i am HTC fan as well as WM.
Not at this time. I love the interface. I just don't like the rest of the story. The system just locks you in. Perhaps if could be jailbroken, that would change things.
Well I got the HTC Desire on Android 2.2 and thus far I don't see anything I prefer in the Win 7 phones that would make me switch. If anything it has less functionality at present with no cut & paste, no tethering and no SD card. I do like some of the features though but will wait and see how they develop this, so for now it's a no.
I think Microsoft has missed a trick with the launch of WP7, by basing the OS entirely for phone devices. As with Android it can be used not only on phones but tablets as well and judging by how the community response to the Sammy Tab is high with enthusiasm i think MS should have looked further forward than just Windows 'Phone' 7 and evolved further ahead with appying its new OS to tablets as well, even if not making it available now but atleast showing a mock up to show its potential of being more than just a phone OS.
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Well I got the HTC Desire on Android 2.2 and thus far I don't see anything I prefer in the Win 7 phones that would make me switch. If anything it has less functionality at present with no cut & paste, no tethering and no SD card. I do like some of the features though but will wait and see how they develop this, so for now it's a no.
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What?!? no cut & paste and no sd cards? where can I read up on WP7 features?
Also long time and big time WinMo fan, but I got the EVO and after rooting it, nothing can come close. Win7 simply went the way of iPhone, by locking everything down, so even if it weren't for the rooted EVO being so damned awesome and far above every other phone out there, I wouldn't get a Win7 phone out of iPhone-hatin' spite.
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Dear Paulius,
Hi Paulius, thanks for getting in touch with us about all your questions.
Firstly, HTC do not control this application, the person in the thread referred to it as "the official OTA HTC Froyo update". The updates actual name is Google Android 2.2 (Froyo). It is just on a HTC device. If you want to know anything about this application, you will need to contact Android Market Customer Care, or Google Customer Care. We do not have information nor able to supply support for third party applications, I am sorry about that.
<this was regarding this bug: http://androidforums.com/desire-sup...ogle-talk-shortcut-people-gone-froyo-bug.html - as you can see, they don't have an idea on what they are talking about, besides, vanilla froyo does not have this bug, and this update is indeed HTC's, not Google's>
With regards to your Wifi turning off, you may have the sleep function off, but this will not stop the phone from stopping the Wifi connection when it loses a link and is unable to establish after 3 attempts. This is to prevent the function from draining the battery as constant Wifi connection and constantly trying to re-establish a connection can see any smart phone from draining the battery in just a couple hours.
<I mentioned that Wi-Fi would go to sleep on battery even if I set it to never turn off>
With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2, so unfortunately, the UI's are not compatible and will never be available to one another.
<I was saying that we are not feeling good that they are keeping last generation devices from getting updates to new features of new devices (for example, desire HD sense ui improvements to Desire), even though they are perfectly capable of handling them hardware-wise>
As far as HTC Sense is concerned, this is not yet a fully functioning service and is still in the testing phase, it has been put out for general access as the best test pilots are always the ones that are going to be using the facility on a daily basis any way. It is just a case of sit and wait for everything to be working properly, but in the meantime, expect HTC Sense.com to be quite buggy with most of its functions unusable.
<Yeah, as if HTC sense alone is a service, I was referring to HTCSense.com, which is quite functioning with Desire HD and Z; anyways, good attitude, lol!>
Google have only just released 2.2 to the General Market, you will find that some phones are not viable for the 2.2 update, this will be because that particular device is not compatible, or Google are still working on the coding, but, all phones that can have 2.2 will have 2.2 and I would not worry too much about Android 3.0 for now, that is going to be something that Google release some time into the new year.
<Desire already had 2.2, I was asking about 2.3 update and about wether they were thinking of bringing 3.0 to Desire, when it get's released, of course>
Not to be funny, but if you are moving away from HTC because of something not in their control, or because of a little rough patch during their development stage, then you can not really call your self a loyal customer, rather someone that is with HTC because it was the better option at the time.
<I mentioned poor HTC Hero support and said that I was disappointed about Hero not having the 2.2 update even though I didn't have it anymore at the time, because that shows how HTC treat their customers... and what are they talking about? I had like 4 phones from them and they dare to not call me loyal? And everything is exactly in their control!>
Besides which, it is Google whom you should be talking to about their updates and your questions about releasing of the 2.2, their future updates and so on.
I hope that I have answered your questions, if you have any more in the future, please do not hesitate in getting in touch with us again.
All the Best,
Carl.
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So what you guys thing? Isn't this just pathetic?
P.S.: sorry for bad English, I was in a hurry to post this as soon as possible
With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2
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Lovely, I love HTC
pauliusba said:
With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2, so unfortunately, the UI's are not compatible and will never be available to one another.
<I was saying that we are not feeling good that they are keeping last generation devices from getting updates to new features of new devices (for example, desire HD sense ui improvements to Desire), even though they are perfectly capable of handling them hardware-wise>
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C'mon HTC. You cant be saying this!!
Hum.....so I guess we can reference this next time some one asks for windows on a desire. Lol
Carl needs to be fired for saying the Desire HD and Z run WinMo...Seriously.
And what if I want WinMo to my Desire, where can I find the solution? Should I write to HTC Support??? LOL
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Carl needs to be fired for saying the Desire HD and Z run WinMo...Seriously.
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Looks like wrong hire Fire him
I doubt Carl works for HTC..
LOL.
Retard most likely work as a PR junkie, not very well versed technically. Nor is he updated about the technological progress that the company is going through. Answer was pulled out from where the sun doesn't shine without reference to the appropriate departments.
Best response will be to complain about his lack of technical knowledge in helping you
Well this can happen if the customer support are not familiar with the product he or she's supporting.
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He don't know what he's talking about...but I can't blame him for that, that's his bosses fault for hiring him, maybe they can't get people with enough knowledge in the subject for the wage they are offering.
But bring rude to a customer like that is out of order.
work experience boy?
Honestly it doesn't surprise me, every time I have contacted HTC support it has given me the impression that I was talking to a monkey. What country is that support team in? That is unacceptable, what an absolute joke.
Just remember next time you contact HTC to ask for Carl...
perhaps this will help: http://www.htc.com/sea/support/customer_care.html
Such negligence in hiring for such an important post, can be disastrous for the company's repute.
abhik55 said:
I doubt Carl works for HTC..
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sounds like it
pauliusba said:
With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2, so unfortunately, the UI's are not compatible and will never be available to one another.
<I was saying that we are not feeling good that they are keeping last generation devices from getting updates to new features of new devices (for example, desire HD sense ui improvements to Desire), even though they are perfectly capable of handling them hardware-wise>
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Come on guys, give Carl a chance.
He must have been drunk when he replied you, there is no other explanation, he must have been drunk .... and distorted.
He might be trying to flog off the older WM65 devices they have left in stock?
or probably more likely, just confused with the HTC Touch HD2 or something... Desire HD, Touch HD2... maybe he thought the Z was a 2?
who knows - maybe they are just trying to fill up the staff for the xmas period...
irkan said:
Come on guys, give Carl a chance.
He must have been drunk when he replied you, there is no other explanation, he must have been drunk .... and distorted.
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No, he just make cofusion with the template they have..Htc customer care have some templates to use for every case, and every template have some input (like the device)..Maybe he just put the wrong input (wm 6.5) and he didn't read the output that sent u...
LOL..joking..but I think thats the real situation, htc has always replied me with some default template..
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LOL..joking..but I think thats the real situation, htc has always replied me with some default template..
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I know what you mean - I always feel I get a default template reply, but with some areas for free text.... I get a MUCH better sense of a real response from HTC than with a lot of other companies to be honest - which is why if you ask the same question twice you do get different replies - but mostly the same 'content'...
I do generally feel a reply has come from a person rather than a machine at least even if its wrong!
I have hd2 and Im so so so happy with it but here I come to my next thot what next????wm6.5 is dead, android is not for me wp7 ok but ugly here comes question IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING SENSE 2,5 ON WP7 PHONES imagine wp7 system and beauty of cht on home screen FANTASTIC.So my question to all wp7 devs and all ppl there would you like this combination on your wp7 unit do you think its good or not and most important is someone out there who could make this working??????????
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I have hd2 and Im so so so happy with it but here I come to my next thot what next????wm6.5 is dead, android is not for me wp7 ok but ugly here comes question IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING SENSE 2,5 ON WP7 PHONES imagine wp7 system and beauty of cht on home screen FANTASTIC.So my question to all wp7 devs and all ppl there would you like this combination on your wp7 unit do you think its good or not and most important is someone out there who could make this working??????????
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no...just no..
See above... Wp7 did awesome to get away from the trainwreck UIs that plague android and winmo. They have created the single cleanest and best looking OS in doing so. Sense would just much it up and I'm glad HTC doesn't have that much access because if I had to see that stupid flip clock I'd likely leave my phone for dead.
The only Sense UI aspect that *could* be done is to utilise tiles. I've seen mock-ups of this somewhere. However, we don't have that much flexibility with the tiles - i.e. no double tiles for the flippy clock and no direct way (without push implementation) to change what's on the tiles.
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See above... Wp7 did awesome to get away from the trainwreck UIs that plague android and winmo. They have created the single cleanest and best looking OS in doing so. Sense would just much it up and I'm glad HTC doesn't have that much access because if I had to see that stupid flip clock I'd likely leave my phone for dead.
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ok m8 but we are not same some of us dont like that simple square ugly look of windows phone.THATS WHY i STARTED THIS TO SEE IF WE CAN USE WP7 ON OUR WAY.Soon hd2 will be old tec and we gona need something new.I love 6.5 because I can costum everything on it icons,sliders,look,levels I started to make my own stuff in photoshop and I dont like that stupid iphone clon os everything locked and all about money.I hate iphone but if have to chose ios or wp7 how is now ios is more OK for me
and yea I forgot 6.5 without sense looks nicer then wp7 and if you dont like flip clock no problem go little in 6.5 threads and look what those fantastic devs done of 6.5 IF SOME ONE OF THEM READ THIS ,,,,TY SO MUCH TO ALL OF YOU GUYS FOR MAKING 6.5 STILL ALIVE
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ok m8 but we are not same some of us dont like that simple square ugly look of windows phone.I love 6.5 because I can costum everything on it icons,sliders,look levels I started to make my own stuff in photoshop and I dont like that stupid iphone clon os everything locked and all about money.I hate iphone but if have to chose ios or wp7 how is now ios is more OK for me
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if your perogative is customization then you are on the wrong OS. Wp7 is a completelnew oS and is not an extension of windows mobile. The fact that it's locked down does not make it an iPhone clone and I must say, you're either trolling or really showing your ass here. Sense won't happen, you would have to hack the phone extensively, get htcs code, convert it to the proper format, unlock APIs that don't exist to make a tile that is fully live, and pretty much build it from scratch all with the potential lawsuit from HTC for doing so. That's just for that hideous clock. The next option would be to port android or wm6.5 onto your wp7 device but that's counter-intuitive at best and with winmo likely impossible. Either way, you're out of luck.
Android would be your best bet, you can customise it to look how you want AND HTC devices will obviously have sense. Even if sense could be done on WP7 as you dont like the OS itself its pointless as eventually you will have to deal with some aspects of it. And if you are happy living entirely within the sense environment again, an android device with sense is the solution.
Having thought about it, you could create an app - not a true UI like Sense.
You wouldn't suffer from the same problems, it'd be completely customizable and it could be instant resume...
Sure, there'd still be problems - i.e. you couldn't have shortcuts to apps etc. Oh and it probably wouldn't get into the Marketplace if it looked too much like Sense, so you'd have to sideload it.
Casey
well all I can do is wait and hope that roomers about htc OS is truth hope they will make something good and nice looking in one,or hope that my hd2 will run good couple of years more lool
buy an android/winmo phone next time
lol m8 I have rafpignas disareHD rom on my sd card just for games and browsing (flash 10,1)have flash 10,1 on wim mob too but not that god like on android