After contacting HTC regarding FroYo, I was told that the decision whether or not to offer it for devices is based on how they are weighing up the impacts on user experience.
As far as I am aware, FroYo will offer extreme performance improvements over previous builds, and I fail to see how it could negatively impact this.
As for Desire and FroYo, they did of course totally avoid the question and gave no specific response relating to the Desire in any way, nor did they confirm that they will offer it for any devices at all, merely that it is being
"considered" for "some devices" according to the impact "user experience".
As the title suggests, this is not about "if" or "when" but about what exactly they think could be affected in terms of "user experience".
'Introducing the new HTC User Exprience: Sense'
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'Introducing the new HTC User Exprience: Sense'
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I don't htink they were directly to sense. The rep I spoke to mentoned sense, but mentioned this in a different context. I think maybe they may have meant performance wise, once they integrate sense, will the phones really be able to handle FroYo.
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I don't htink they were directly to sense. The rep I spoke to mentoned sense, but mentioned this in a different context. I think maybe they may have meant performance wise, once they integrate sense, will the phones really be able to handle FroYo.
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Obviously, Froyo would even run faster on a G1, because Froyo is just faster.
I think this means they'll thjnkk about upgrading for 6 months - then announce a delay.
I really shouldn't try to read too much into anything that HTC say about this.
Google's own devs have already gone on record to say that it is technically possible for a G1 to run Froyo (see here), but you can be almost 100% certain that there will never be an "official" port.
By being deliberately noncommittal, HTC can avoid accusations of reneging on promises, because they've thus far promised nothing.
Personally, I think it is reasonably certain that we will see Froyo on the Desire and the Legend in the relatively near future (I'm thinking end of August time frame).
I seriously doubt that any of their earlier phones will get an official update to Froyo, and that includes the Hero even though it is very similar hardware wise to the Legend.
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I think that HTC cannot loose their chance against Apple.
They cannot screw things up - Evo 4G flagship at Sprint probably will be the first with Froyo - otherwise people start buying iPhone 4G (seems Sprint is going to sell iPhone as well).
HTC Poland recently put their account on the facebook - they didn't expected that users will be with so negative feedback about their support and speed of software releases. I am not sure if such activities HTC did in other places, but phone market now is growing rapidly and if their dont release updates soon enough people like me will get Apple again
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I think that HTC cannot loose their chance against Apple.
They cannot screw things up - Evo 4G flagship at Sprint probably will be the first with Froyo - otherwise people start buying iPhone 4G (seems Sprint is going to sell iPhone as well).
HTC Poland recently put their account on the facebook - they didn't expected that users will be with so negative feedback about their support and speed of software releases. I am not sure if such activities HTC did in other places, but phone market now is growing rapidly and if their dont release updates soon enough people like me will get Apple again
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Well, the lady I spoke to said they have "learned" a lot from the updates they have released recently and will carry this forward when releasing future updates. As for apple, nothing, and I mean nothing, on this earth would make me go back to apple.
why is this in the development section? You have three other areas to post this in besides development!
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why is this in the development section? You have three other areas to post this in besides development!
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My bad, as I'm always developing or looking at development my bookmarks take me straight to dev section, I had entirely forgotten about the others.
MODS: Any change you could move this to general please?
I think you will almost certainly find that the "4G" in the iPhone 4G refers to the fact that it is the 4th iteration of the iPhone - not that it works on a 4G network.
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Dont apologise mate i thought your thread was interesting and informative
Dont appease these random trolls that think they moderate these forums! Let the mods do the moderating and we will do the grazing hahaha
The guy was a twat, he came on the thread where we are trying to port Froyo and said the same thing that this isnt a dev topic I mean it that isnt dev, then i will give up computers
Total waste of space!!!
JD
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I think you will almost certainly find that the "4G" in the iPhone 4G refers to the fact that it is the 4th iteration of the iPhone - not that it works on a 4G network.
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You reckon?
Was there any evidence for this in the various tear downs that have popped up over the last month or so?
Suppose it would make sense from a business point of view. The world (and Europe in particular) isn't exactly overflowing with 4G networks right now.
While i dont always agree with what HTC say on this issue they do have a point with Froyo. If they launched an update tomorrow all hell would break loose. Half the apps in the market dont work with froyo right now, and people would happily swap out their SD card without realising it might mean they loose some apps that have moved.
The Nexus one is not the same beast, it is sold as a test bed in effect and users should expect issues, the Desire is a consumer device for the masses. HTC NEED to wait until the early issues are fixed otherwise they would be overwhelmed with support calls.
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While i dont always agree with what HTC say on this issue they do have a point with Froyo. If they launched an update tomorrow all hell would break loose. Half the apps in the market dont work with froyo right now, and people would happily swap out their SD card without realising it might mean they loose some apps that have moved.
The Nexus one is not the same beast, it is sold as a test bed in effect and users should expect issues, the Desire is a consumer device for the masses. HTC NEED to wait until the early issues are fixed otherwise they would be overwhelmed with support calls.
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I agree in part, but I don't think Google are trying to market the Nexus as a dev phone. I know it is, but unlike the G1 they want it to be a competing consumer device.
I see what you mean now about the FroYo problems, but, not everybody frequent these forums as we do, the solution woul dbe a simple instruction list with the update, saying moving apps to your SD card would of course mean they're not available if you remove it. And I thought apps were restricted in visibility to OS version? I know my hero couldn't see half the new stuff when it was on 1.5.
Still, you make a valid point, just as a Computer Scientist and Electronic Engineer, I refuse to accept these as valid excuses on HTCs part.
I'v seen smaller teams do harder work with better results, in less time using fewer resources.
seriously ... sense isnt that good why cant htc jsut put there apps on the market .... and give ppl stock 2.2 and the choice
Not a very well worded post, but I kinda agree. I'd like the option of not having some of the apps. Things like Friendstream and Peep just aren't as good as the alternatives out there.
It'd be great if the Sense UI and apps were installed, but they sold the apps on the Market (obviously providing them free of charge with phones), and allowed the option of uninstalling them.
Sure everyone has choice, if you don't like the sense UI, you can choose nexus one, or MOTO, or Samsung, or LG, or whatever... what I don't understand is why people buy HTC phones, if they don't like sense UI in the first place. I don't think HTC can force you to do so, hehe
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I had the option of getting a Nexus or Desire, and opted for the Desire mainly because it meant paying less per month. Since I'm a student until the Summer, and don't have a job to go into yet, this was a big factor.
I was also (wrongly) under the impression that you could switch Sense off if needed, as was shown on pre-release models.
You can easily disable the sense home. I currently run both helix launcher and sense and can choose which when I press home or set a default. As for sense/no sense, I think for me, it makes my Android phones. Couldn't live without it, even with the great launchers out there.
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As HD2 owner I am dissapointed.
Again!!
But its just a spokeperson.. so we can't track the source... wich makes it a rumor..
Who cares what someone says at microsoft......they keep saying "No No No" like Amy winehouse....... HD2 can support it with EASE.
The reason why they say "No" is that microsoft has promised manufactuers that NEW OS equals Great Sales.....extacly how they did with the VISTA series !!!
What ever I say to microsoft......they like it or not....WE WILL get WP7S on out HD2 phones.....I love XDA !
One of the main reasons I got the HD2 was that I thought it would be upgradeable... I'm still hoping that it'll happen, one way or another.
I'm passing on the HD2 just beacuse of this reason I got my TP2 and when the HD2 came out I said I would just wait to see what WM7 is going to look like before I upgrade. I'm glad I waited. Guess you guys should have done the same. No one nows if porting to the HD2 will be possible yet so I wouldn't get too excited.
vardig said:
The reason why they say "No" is that microsoft has promised manufactuers that NEW OS equals Great Sales.....extacly how they did with the VISTA series !!!
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Existing hardware on desktops is upgradeable and Microsoft even gave free updates for systems purchased within the months leading up to release.
It's funny how they still leave the door slightly open with their statement.
The first device that has WP7 on it (as long as it doesn't suck) I'll be buying. My Touch Pro is due for retirement.
if you have read the article you will clearly see that the Microsoft spokesperson said that they currently dont have plans to update the HD2...key word being currently. but WP7 wont be out until around christmas....so curruntly they may not have have an update, but by release time they might. sometimes u have to read in between the lines...its something they are deffinatley working on, because if they werent, they could just give a straight answer instead of beating around the bush.
as a owner of an hd2 I would he dissapointed but I am really positive about this for simple reasons. i may be wrong about this but still ill say my opinion .
as a lot of ppl have seen on YouTube there is a video of someone from Adobe with hd2 with flash 10.1 and a (new kind of IE) which according to me is available on wp7s (according to MS a renewed browser with pinch to zoom )
BTW the home button of hd2 can somehow be reprogramed as the search button.
ok on YouTube you see the start menu but you don't see him opening the browser.
as i said I may be wrong but its my opinion.
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the Microsoft spokesperson said that they currently dont have plans to update the HD2...key word being currently
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No, the key word is "don't".
Yeah when someone says they currently don't have any plans it means they aren't going to do it unless it has a major effect on their business if they don't.
really?
Then that means all the 6.X device can not update to windows phone 7 severies !
Hope some oone could tans 7 to 6.X.
I am waiting
If nothing could do to refresh i will think about android or other os.........
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I'm passing on the HD2 just beacuse of this reason I got my TP2 and when the HD2 came out I said I would just wait to see what WM7 is going to look like before I upgrade. I'm glad I waited. Guess you guys should have done the same. No one nows if porting to the HD2 will be possible yet so I wouldn't get too excited.
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Not really... I'm really annoyed that I, (probably) won't be able to get the new OS on my new 'phone, but let's not forget that the HD2 is still one kick-ass mobile, and I am still seriously impressed with it.
The only thing that annoys me is the amount of people who, on seeing my phone for the first time, say "Ooh, is that an iPhone"
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as a owner of an hd2 I would he dissapointed but I am really positive about this for simple reasons. i may be wrong about this but still ill say my opinion .
as a lot of ppl have seen on YouTube there is a video of someone from Adobe with hd2 with flash 10.1 and a (new kind of IE) which according to me is available on wp7s (according to MS a renewed browser with pinch to zoom )
BTW the home button of hd2 can somehow be reprogramed as the search button.
ok on YouTube you see the start menu but you don't see him opening the browser.
as i said I may be wrong but its my opinion.
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Really have no idea what you're talking about, mate.
what a fail...and right before tmo usa will launch their touch hd2...i wonder how this will impact sales. I know I won't switch fully to tmo because of this and unless there's a beta on xda developers very soon, I will not go to touch hd2. I will wait
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what a fail...and right before tmo usa will launch their touch hd2...i wonder how this will impact sales. I know I won't switch fully to tmo because of this and unless there's a beta on xda developers very soon, I will not go to touch hd2. I will wait
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I'm definitely waiting. I was thinking about upgrading to HD2 but I'll just stick with my Touch Pro2 til the holidays.
I've wanted the HD2 from the second I put my eyes on it. It's everything I wanted in a phone minus the slide out keyboard, but the screen size made me willing to bypass that. Then I saw Windows Phone 7 and realized I wanted it on my HD2. Not being able to have it on the HD2 is surely making me reevalutate my future purchase of the tmo HD2 which is released on 3/24.
I may not get the phone at all and I really find that to be a sad thing for myself, HTC, Microsoft and TMobile USA.
Not a huge disappointment. I love the HD2 the way it is. WM 6.5 with HTC Sense does a very nice job in everything I need and use the phone for.
What I don't need is a closed OS with a lot of eyecandy (well, one can argue about that) and xbox integration. Microsoft can state "everything what ppl care about directly at the homescreen" as often as they want. But what I actually care about is efficiency on how I can use the phone. And having big colored blocks on the screen for every possible program/contact/bookmark/pictures/appointment etc. is neither very efficient, nor very effective ...
So glad I didn't wait
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Not a huge disappointment. I love the HD2 the way it is. WM 6.5 with HTC Sense does a very nice job in everything I need and use the phone for.
What I don't need is a closed OS with a lot of eyecandy (well, one can argue about that) and xbox integration. Microsoft can state "everything what ppl care about directly at the homescreen" as often as they want. But what I actually care about is efficiency on how I can use the phone. And having big colored blocks on the screen for every possible program/contact/bookmark/pictures/appointment etc. is neither very efficient, nor very effective ...
So glad I didn't wait
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Well... I should have waited for a good Android phone instead of the HD2.
I'm not at all interested in the dumb iPhone copycat OS that WP7S is. Good UI, but other than that, they've just copied Apple's bad bad policies (out of envy, I think).
I'm not going to adjust myself to an OS that doesn't multitask, doesn't let me install the stuff I want because of Marketplace censorship, doesn't let me manage my files on my own etc.
With Android, like WM6.5, I can have an OS that simply does what I want it to do. I don't have to adjust myself. That's how it should be.
Thus, the only regret I have is that I've not waited for a good Android phone, because WM6.5 is doomed and now nobody will develop anymore for it, whereas the quantity AND quality of the applications on Android has now surpassed Windows Mobile, and the OS itself is almost there.
I'm not sorry either... I change my phones every year - as flashy and useful and nice as they are, they don't last as long as $50 Nokia dumbphones did.
I use my HD2 very heavily and, apart from increased tear, this toy is much more important to me than a regular phone. As such, it absolutely needs to be the best toy around.
Also, the earlier I sell my phones, the more money I'll get.
I love it and enjoy using it for the most part, but by the end of the year I'm sure there will be devices available that I'll want more, and the love affair with HD2 will be pretty much a thing of the past.
Finally, even though I like what I see as regards to WP7, I'm not at all sure it will have the essential apps I need or that it will live up to the promise in its v.1 incarnation.
Android... I can't force myself to like either the OS or the phones carrying it. Yeah, they have multitasking and all, but I'm not buying a principle, I'm buying a phone.
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Android... I can't force myself to like either the OS or the phones carrying it. Yeah, they have multitasking and all, but I'm not buying a principle, I'm buying a phone.
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So Android buyers buy a principle?! Nonsense... they buy Android phones. Simple as that.
And of course, they buy them because they prefer them to other phones.
And of course, Android's features are reasons to prefer Android phones to other phones - and multitasking, for example, is one of them.
I don't like Google, I don't like Java... but if Google's OS is the only one to suit my needs, then I buy a Google phone. Because I'm not buying a principle (i.e. not Google or not Java), I am buying a phone (i.e. the phone that does what I need it to do).
The next big OS update after Froyo will demand a minimum of a 3.5-inch display, a 1GHz processor, and 512MB of RAM (The desire has all the minimum requirements plus a little bit more..).
My question to you guys is; Do you think the mighty HTC will continue to support the Desire much after Froyo. The Desire is set for a US release to select operators in August, so perhaps this will spur HTC on to keep on supporting the phone seen as it will be new in the US.
Android 3.0 (Gingerbread)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/android-3-0-gingerbread-getting-revamped-ui-froyo-living-on-for/
Desire to US
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/16/htc-desire-in-the-us-pipeline-for-select-regional-operators-th/
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
^ what a grumpy prick
vlasac said:
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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What crawled up your **** this morning? I was asking a question to find out hat other people think, because un-like you, I'm interested in other peoples opinions. Also, asking a question provides more substance and ability to lengthen the thread to more interesting posts other than "Cool" and "I can't wait for Gingerbread".
If that's the wrong way to treat a forum then let me know and I'll refrain from posting in the future.
Some people think we're running out of space! If you dont like a thread, dont reply to it, let it sink into the mud.
Anyway I hope that we get Gingerbread since we meet the spec.
If not it will be ported somehow I'm sure Maybe ex sense programmers will join the cheffing team
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Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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You sir, are one grumpy twat.
My guess would be that The Desire MIGHT get a gingerbread update, but if it does, it most certainly will be the last update for the device.
I Don't understand why HTC does not simply provide 2 different official ROMS for their phone. One with Sense enabled, the other being a simple build from AOSP with the right drivers. It wouldn't be that time consuming in regards to maintaining the vanilla build.
Exactly, If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it.
It would be nice to see the next big OS update before they officially stop support.
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I think yours is the childish post.
If you can't learn to skip over threads you don't appreciate, then you should go to a forum that doesn't promote healthy discussion, although it will likely be stagnant.
Regarding the original post, I think we will get gingerbread, although after a longer delay than froyo as the desire won't be the flagship by then.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
When a Device matches only the min Spec
even if it gets it , it should be quite slow i think ...
vlasac said:
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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LOL at you grumpy @[email protected]$. cool yourself fella, have a cookie.
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When a Device matches only the min Spec
even if it gets it , it should be quite slow i think ...
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I don't think the minimum requirement are a technical requirement as much as standards that google had "failed" to set to begin with. My guess is that this was to avoid manufacturers sticking Android on low end devices to find later that it cannot be upgraded to new android releases. Setting a 1ghz, 512mb RAM minimum limit means google knows for sure that they have some margins and that phones will be able to run future updates.
vlasac said:
Why would you or anybody else care about what we think HTC will do? Go on Facebook and discuss it there.
I am sick of childish posts like this .This use to ba a useful forum long time ago...
Visual redesign is nice, now we need some change in forum policy, because S/N is very low this days.
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32 posts in 5 years! Well you are a useful member of the community!
****!
speedking34 said:
I Don't understand why HTC does not simply provide 2 different official ROMS for their phone. One with Sense enabled, the other being a simple build from AOSP with the right drivers. It wouldn't be that time consuming in regards to maintaining the vanilla build.
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this is a great idea, if anything it might boost their sales of the devices as people who dont like sense but actually like the look of the phone and specs may get one.
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I don't think the minimum requirement are a technical requirement as much as standards that google had "failed" to set to begin with. My guess is that this was to avoid manufacturers sticking Android on low end devices to find later that it cannot be upgraded to new android releases. Setting a 1ghz, 512mb RAM minimum limit means google knows for sure that they have some margins and that phones will be able to run future updates.
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I completely agree. It's important that Google finally face the facts that it is important to have minimum requirements - and the important part ist, that they are high enough to last for some years. Otherwise you will have the same problems in 1 year...again...
I definitely think that the Desire is potent enough to run Android 3.0. I doubt it though that it will officially get an update.
Whilst Google may have made the mistake of not setting minimum requirments the OS is still relatively young. If they implement it now, within the next few months nie years they may be able to prevent further fragmentation.
And I think it is also important that if it gets fragmented (and it will, even iOS is fragmented now) you make clear cuts. Not like what we have seen until today where some devices have verison x, another has version y for no clear reason. Phones with hardware X get X and, those with hardware Y get Y. And it is also important to make updates as easy as possible, and I think they are doing that too. I read that they want to make the cusom UIs (like Sense) really just shallow so they arent deeply integrated into the system.
I think those two steps are really important and necessary for the future.
The Nexus One will get the next OS ('Android 3') for sure, unless Google makes some sudden changes in their plan. Since the Desire is the Nexus but with even more RAM, it's pretty sure we will see a working Android 3 ROM. It's good to be brothers with Google's kid
Don't tell anybody I told you this, but IF HTC decides to be nice and provide Android 3 for the Desire, the OTA update will arive in February 2011. Off course expect some new killer Android 3 devices to make you forget about the Desire and buy a new 400€ device.
J/k at the part I am a secret spy @ htc xD
Didn't google once mention that they would make the individual components of the OS updateble, so that even phones with sense or blur could update as soon as it came out? (so if they implement that in android 3.0 and we get that update, we will be golden)
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Didn't google once mention that they would make the individual components of the OS updateble, so that even phones with sense or blur could update as soon as it came out? (so if they implement that in android 3.0 and we get that update, we will be golden)
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It would be great if it was possible to upgrade your phone OS without waiting for your the developer to update their software.
But if that means that it will be much harder for app developers to make their software work on as many phones a possible I don't think they should do this.
Anyway, I hope HTC will bring an Android 3.0 upgrade for the Desire. Damn, I'm still waiting for 2.2 :/
*checks for updates on his Desire*
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I don't think it's actually shocking news that low end phones won't get the 3.0 update, even though I think the specs mentioned (1 GHz, 512 MB RAM) would be very high for a *phone* OS, probably released within a few months. I hope it will not really be "minimum" specs, but more "recomended" specs.
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Didn't google once mention that they would make the individual components of the OS updateble, so that even phones with sense or blur could update as soon as it came out? (so if they implement that in android 3.0 and we get that update, we will be golden)
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Yeah they're doing this in Android 3.0.
I'm thrilled about this, I hope they revamp things like the music app and the message app.
Hi all,
I have a question, does anyone know if there will be a new official rom for the TP2? The last ROM update, as we all know, had the SOD problem and it would be nice of HTC to patch that up with a new ROM.
Or HTC maybe declared WM6.5 dead and already moved on to WP7.
Maybe someone knows
Grtz FeareX
Not likely, since the phone has been discontinued.
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Not likely, since the phone has been discontinued.
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What do you mean by discontinued?
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What do you mean by discontinued?
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As in no longer in production. AT$T is the only carrier still offering it and replacements through Asurion are refurbished units, not new. Development is pretty much over as it has reached its end of life.
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As in no longer in production. AT$T is the only carrier still offering it and replacements through Asurion are refurbished units, not new. Development is pretty much over as it has reached its end of life.
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Right, but it still has HTC tech-support.
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Right, but it still has HTC tech-support.
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Yeah, but don't expect any more ROM upgrades from HTC. They've moved on.
Wouldn't be so sure. They just released a rom update for Leo, a fix for corrupted microphone in speakerphone mode for Rhodium and People application update for Rhodium too.
Those were to fix issues that needed fixing. There is nothing on our phones that doesn't work properly with the stock ROM. This last AT$T ROM update was an enhancement (Sense 2.5) and will probably be the last official Rhodium ROM to come from HTC. We might see a hotfix or two, but not another complete ROM update.
What about SoD and performance problems?
Also some users are reporting problems with droped calls. We just need HTC's attention.
Those aren't necessarily ROM issues. I've had a total of one unexplained SOD in the first month I owned the phone. The rest have been related to my overclocking it. Dropped calls are more a carrier issue, not a device issue. My Tilt 2 runs great on WinMo 6.5 and TF3D 2.1. That's why I skipped the latest update to Sense 2.5, which seems to have caused more problems than it fixed. No company keeps fixing problem in perpetuity. This phone is already 18 months old, which is ancient in terms of cell phones, and most are near or beyond the end of their factory warranty period. Unless there is still a problem that affects all or a large percentage of users and isn't related to user mods, don't expect HTC to throw any more of their resources at trying to fix it. They would much rather concentrate on newer phones that are still in the retail channel. Now that M$ is done with WinMo 6.5, there isn't much incentive for HTC to waste any more time with it. That's just the ugly truth.
SoD and performance are rom problems for sure.
Dropped calls is a radio rom issue for me, because if you use another phone with this same sim card the problem disappears (in this same area). However this might be a hardware antenna problem.
Dude, why do you keep arguing with me? Unless everyone or a large majority of users are having the exact same issue, it isn't a ROM problem. The SODs could very well be a hardware and/or a software issue, but it is still not one that everyone is suffering from. Almost every PC running Windows has had a freeze at one time or another, you think M$ is going to continue trying to fix every version of Windows it's ever made? A phone that drops calls easier than another isn't necessarily defective, either. When I had my RAZR V3 I hardly ever dropped calls. When I moved to a Smartphone I started dropping calls like crazy. Put simply, the Smartphone was less powerful because of the space needed for so many other components that the radio section suffered. Places I easily got 4-5 bars on my RAZR I now get 2-3 bars on my Tilt 2. Can't be helped other than by HTC coming out with another model with a better radio. They aren't going to improve the TP2/Tilt 2 to make it better. They're done with it.
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Dude, why do you keep arguing with me?
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Because it's a forum? I don't agree with your opinion, so why should I stay quiet? Do you feel offended or what? It's a crime to disagree or point other arguments? Sometimes I really feel that this forum lost its soul.
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Unless everyone or a large majority of users are having the exact same issue, it isn't a ROM problem.
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Not true at all?
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The SODs could very well be a hardware and/or a software issue, but it is still not one that everyone is suffering from.
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Hardware? So why it doesn't occur on S0 or S1 roms? Only on S2?
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They aren't going to improve the TP2/Tilt 2 to make it better. They're done with it.
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Any arguments for that? Their last update was on 12-th November, not even a month ago (for other countries even later).
Whatever, man. I never told you to shut up, I just don't see why you have such a hard time accepting the truth. I pointed out the reality that once a product has reached its end-of-life and is no longer being manufactured, much, if not all, development comes to a halt. This is true of almost any consumer electronic item you can think of. The Tilt2 had a total of one updated ROM released by HTC for it recently and a couple of hotfixes back in February and a couple after the release of this latest ROM. I would bet money that is the last we'll see from HTC on this phone. There are just too many other newer phones they need to concentrate on and support instead of a nearly 2 year old model. For the most part, the carriers would have to be bugging them for an update and most of them are more interested in selling you a new phone to replace it and extending your plan another 2 years. I've been around the retail electronics business (family store) for over 30 years and that's just the way it works, only today, with such short product cycles, it is even worse. You have a much better shot at some developer on XDA fixing these issues, but even many of them haved moved on to other phones. Life goes on.
And not to make you feel bad, but I have had very few issues with my Tilt2 and most were caused by something *I* did, not the phone or the software. I hate to say it, but I think a lot of the SODs and performance issues are related to poor quality control and user error and tweaking, not the phone or software itself. And then there's just some things in WinMo that have been ongoing issues for years. trust me, I know. I've been a WinMo user since 2003 and I'm amazed at some of the things I see still causing problems.
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Whatever, man. I never told you to shut up, I just don't see why you have such a hard time accepting the truth. I pointed out the reality that once a product has reached its end-of-life and is no longer being manufactured, much, if not all, development comes to a halt. This is true of almost any consumer electronic item you can think of. The Tilt2 had a total of one updated ROM released by HTC for it recently and a couple of hotfixes back in February and a couple after the release of this latest ROM. I would bet money that is the last we'll see from HTC on this phone. There are just too many other newer phones they need to concentrate on and support instead of a nearly 2 year old model. For the most part, the carriers would have to be bugging them for an update and most of them are more interested in selling you a new phone to replace it and extending your plan another 2 years. I've been around the retail electronics business (family store) for over 30 years and that's just the way it works, only today, with such short product cycles, it is even worse. You have a much better shot at some developer on XDA fixing these issues, but even many of them haved moved on to other phones. Life goes on.
And not to make you feel bad, but I have had very few issues with my Tilt2 and most were caused by something *I* did, not the phone or the software. I hate to say it, but I think a lot of the SODs and performance issues are related to poor quality control and user error and tweaking, not the phone or software itself. And then there's just some things in WinMo that have been ongoing issues for years. trust me, I know. I've been a WinMo user since 2003 and I'm amazed at some of the things I see still causing problems.
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1) I had just one issue, it's already fixed by HTC. No more issues at all
2) Poor quality control? Software just should be prepared for all situation. For all those years I have been a developer, I never called an user action stupid or poor. I always tried to predict all situations. That's how software should work.
3) WinMo user since 2003 - glad to read your references... Shall I show mine?
I agree with this opinion, WM never was even close to perfection. From the other side, it always was a step ahead in customization and features.
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1) I had just one issue, it's already fixed by HTC. No more issues at all Then what are you waiting for an updated ROM for?
2) Poor quality control? Software just should be prepared for all situation. For all those years I have been a developer, I never called an user action stupid or poor. I always tried to predict all situations. That's how software should work. You're living in a fantasy world. I'm glad that you have that attitude towards the code YOU write, but M$ has never thought that way. Not with Windows 3.0 (what I started on) and not on Windows7, which still suffers from niggling issues carried forward from several versions back. Despite there still being a large XP user base, do you think they are still putting much effort into fixing its problems? They did, it's called Windows Vista, which Windows 7 was created to fix after that. What I meant about stupid user action is the many things we do ourselves that break our phones. I mean, we're on XDA because we aren't satisfied, right? So we mod and fix and customize and sometimes mess things up. How many times have you installed a cab or regedit and reboot with your fingers crossed?
3) WinMo user since 2003 - glad to read your references... Shall I show mine?
I agree with this opinion, WM never was even close to perfection. From the other side, it always was a step ahead in customization and features. Sure is, and that's what we love about it.
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Much of the problem with our phones is that they were compromised from the start. The hardware, while cutting edge at introduction, wasn't really designed for the things that our mods and updated ROMs are trying to do on it. A TP2 running WinMo 6.1 is actually a pretty fast, reliable machine. Then AT$T decided that to compete they wanted their version to run WinMo 6.5 with TF3D. Still, not so bad, performance remained acceptable. Then they put Sense 2.5 on it and the shortcoming and issues multiplied ad infinitum. The phone itself didn't change, but in trying to keep up with the iPhoneses we asked more and more of it and, well, it wasn't quite up to the task. At least not for real power users, anyway. That being the case, do you think HTC will keep trying to squeeze more performance out of a discontinued device just to make a small cadre of XDA and PPCGeeks users happy with their totally underpowered, by comparison to what's available today, TP2s and Tilt 2s? Not likely. I'm just a pragmatist that way. I love my Tilt 2 and it does all I want right now. I'm eligible for an upgrade already, but I'm in no hurry. If something really worthy comes along or the Tilt 2 no longer meets my needs, I'm gone. I just hope that it offers me near or better the same level of personalization that my Tilt 2 does. From what I've seen of XDAndroid, I'm happy to wait awhile longer. Good talking to you and although I don't use one of your ROMs, I appreciate that you're here and have been helping the community all these years.
Hehe, I think that anything has been said here already
Just to clarify - I do not run into troubles, because I'm creating my own roms - something that in my opinion works like it should right out of the factory. I demand HTC to fix performance/sod/radio issues in their latest stock S2 rom.
It's a flagship, business and high-end device. How the **** did they released such a trashy ROM for it?
About the MS Vista example, MS still does publish fixes and updated software for it. Hah, even XP is still supported. "In an unprecedented move, Microsoft has committed to providing support services for its soon to be retired Windows XP through 2014 -- a full 13 years after the operating system was originally released."@InformationWeek
Why doesn't HTC act same? TP2 is still a very popular device.
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It's a flagship, business and high-end device. How the **** did they released such a trashy ROM for it?
Why doesn't HTC act same? TP2 is still a very popular device.
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Simple answer for both questions is, because HTC doesn't make the base software their devices run on. They are saddled with the problems they inherit from Microsoft. They would be wasting time and money to try and fix the things in WinMo that don't work right, which is why so many manufacturers and developers are abandoning the platform. Years of trying to work with M$ and still too many disgruntled customers to show for it. WinPho7 is a perfect example. How can you come to market with a new OS that doesn't support something as simple as cut-and-paste, a feature the previous OS has had for years? It seems like a small thing, but it just shows how M$ is constantly missing the mark on functionality and user experience. And why something like Android was able to garner so much market share in such a short period of time.
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Hehe, I think that anything has been said here already
Just to clarify - I do not run into troubles, because I'm creating my own roms - something that in my opinion works like it should right out of the factory. I demand HTC to fix performance/sod/radio issues in their latest stock S2 rom.
It's a flagship, business and high-end device. How the **** did they released such a trashy ROM for it?
About the MS Vista example, MS still does publish fixes and updated software for it. Hah, even XP is still supported. "In an unprecedented move, Microsoft has committed to providing support services for its soon to be retired Windows XP through 2014 -- a full 13 years after the operating system was originally released."@InformationWeek
Why doesn't HTC act same? TP2 is still a very popular device.
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I completely agree with you... I'm tired of using tp2 with the problems that it has...
I mean, before ending with HTC tP2, they must make a final ROM version of content which all fixed and upgrades for HTC's faith real customers.
It's not everyone who wants to use WP7... I do not know about you but I will never buy a mobile with WP7 or iPhone...
I'm also having SOD about every day.
Started after the upgrade from WM6.5 to WM6.5.5
So I downgraded to WM6.5 again, but the problems stayed.
I don't have changed anything on the ROM, and I'm using the official ROM's of HTC.
I even ran a week with WM6.5 out of the box, and the problems still occurred.
So blaiming the users is quite short sighted...
And after complaining for 6-9months at HTC, I gave it up.
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I don't think the TP2 is out of live over here (the Netherlands), or it's just stock they are emptying.
It's fully available in many stores, and online.
Dear Paulius,
Hi Paulius, thanks for getting in touch with us about all your questions.
Firstly, HTC do not control this application, the person in the thread referred to it as "the official OTA HTC Froyo update". The updates actual name is Google Android 2.2 (Froyo). It is just on a HTC device. If you want to know anything about this application, you will need to contact Android Market Customer Care, or Google Customer Care. We do not have information nor able to supply support for third party applications, I am sorry about that.
<this was regarding this bug: http://androidforums.com/desire-sup...ogle-talk-shortcut-people-gone-froyo-bug.html - as you can see, they don't have an idea on what they are talking about, besides, vanilla froyo does not have this bug, and this update is indeed HTC's, not Google's>
With regards to your Wifi turning off, you may have the sleep function off, but this will not stop the phone from stopping the Wifi connection when it loses a link and is unable to establish after 3 attempts. This is to prevent the function from draining the battery as constant Wifi connection and constantly trying to re-establish a connection can see any smart phone from draining the battery in just a couple hours.
<I mentioned that Wi-Fi would go to sleep on battery even if I set it to never turn off>
With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2, so unfortunately, the UI's are not compatible and will never be available to one another.
<I was saying that we are not feeling good that they are keeping last generation devices from getting updates to new features of new devices (for example, desire HD sense ui improvements to Desire), even though they are perfectly capable of handling them hardware-wise>
As far as HTC Sense is concerned, this is not yet a fully functioning service and is still in the testing phase, it has been put out for general access as the best test pilots are always the ones that are going to be using the facility on a daily basis any way. It is just a case of sit and wait for everything to be working properly, but in the meantime, expect HTC Sense.com to be quite buggy with most of its functions unusable.
<Yeah, as if HTC sense alone is a service, I was referring to HTCSense.com, which is quite functioning with Desire HD and Z; anyways, good attitude, lol!>
Google have only just released 2.2 to the General Market, you will find that some phones are not viable for the 2.2 update, this will be because that particular device is not compatible, or Google are still working on the coding, but, all phones that can have 2.2 will have 2.2 and I would not worry too much about Android 3.0 for now, that is going to be something that Google release some time into the new year.
<Desire already had 2.2, I was asking about 2.3 update and about wether they were thinking of bringing 3.0 to Desire, when it get's released, of course>
Not to be funny, but if you are moving away from HTC because of something not in their control, or because of a little rough patch during their development stage, then you can not really call your self a loyal customer, rather someone that is with HTC because it was the better option at the time.
<I mentioned poor HTC Hero support and said that I was disappointed about Hero not having the 2.2 update even though I didn't have it anymore at the time, because that shows how HTC treat their customers... and what are they talking about? I had like 4 phones from them and they dare to not call me loyal? And everything is exactly in their control!>
Besides which, it is Google whom you should be talking to about their updates and your questions about releasing of the 2.2, their future updates and so on.
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With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2
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Lovely, I love HTC
pauliusba said:
With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2, so unfortunately, the UI's are not compatible and will never be available to one another.
<I was saying that we are not feeling good that they are keeping last generation devices from getting updates to new features of new devices (for example, desire HD sense ui improvements to Desire), even though they are perfectly capable of handling them hardware-wise>
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C'mon HTC. You cant be saying this!!
Hum.....so I guess we can reference this next time some one asks for windows on a desire. Lol
Carl needs to be fired for saying the Desire HD and Z run WinMo...Seriously.
And what if I want WinMo to my Desire, where can I find the solution? Should I write to HTC Support??? LOL
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Carl needs to be fired for saying the Desire HD and Z run WinMo...Seriously.
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Looks like wrong hire Fire him
I doubt Carl works for HTC..
LOL.
Retard most likely work as a PR junkie, not very well versed technically. Nor is he updated about the technological progress that the company is going through. Answer was pulled out from where the sun doesn't shine without reference to the appropriate departments.
Best response will be to complain about his lack of technical knowledge in helping you
Well this can happen if the customer support are not familiar with the product he or she's supporting.
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He don't know what he's talking about...but I can't blame him for that, that's his bosses fault for hiring him, maybe they can't get people with enough knowledge in the subject for the wage they are offering.
But bring rude to a customer like that is out of order.
work experience boy?
Honestly it doesn't surprise me, every time I have contacted HTC support it has given me the impression that I was talking to a monkey. What country is that support team in? That is unacceptable, what an absolute joke.
Just remember next time you contact HTC to ask for Carl...
perhaps this will help: http://www.htc.com/sea/support/customer_care.html
Such negligence in hiring for such an important post, can be disastrous for the company's repute.
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I doubt Carl works for HTC..
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sounds like it
pauliusba said:
With regards to your disappointment in the Desire HD and Z having "better" UI's than the standard Desire, you must remember that they are both different operating systems to the one you have, where the Desire Z and Desire HD use Microsoft Windows 6.5 operating systems, your phone is using Android 2.2, so unfortunately, the UI's are not compatible and will never be available to one another.
<I was saying that we are not feeling good that they are keeping last generation devices from getting updates to new features of new devices (for example, desire HD sense ui improvements to Desire), even though they are perfectly capable of handling them hardware-wise>
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Come on guys, give Carl a chance.
He must have been drunk when he replied you, there is no other explanation, he must have been drunk .... and distorted.
He might be trying to flog off the older WM65 devices they have left in stock?
or probably more likely, just confused with the HTC Touch HD2 or something... Desire HD, Touch HD2... maybe he thought the Z was a 2?
who knows - maybe they are just trying to fill up the staff for the xmas period...
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Come on guys, give Carl a chance.
He must have been drunk when he replied you, there is no other explanation, he must have been drunk .... and distorted.
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No, he just make cofusion with the template they have..Htc customer care have some templates to use for every case, and every template have some input (like the device)..Maybe he just put the wrong input (wm 6.5) and he didn't read the output that sent u...
LOL..joking..but I think thats the real situation, htc has always replied me with some default template..
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LOL..joking..but I think thats the real situation, htc has always replied me with some default template..
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I know what you mean - I always feel I get a default template reply, but with some areas for free text.... I get a MUCH better sense of a real response from HTC than with a lot of other companies to be honest - which is why if you ask the same question twice you do get different replies - but mostly the same 'content'...
I do generally feel a reply has come from a person rather than a machine at least even if its wrong!
I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
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I assume its due to new apps such as: netflix, hulu, move rentals and other apps that require a lockdown. I don't think HTC would like to see their hard work (HTC Sense) on other devices lowering the need for upgrades: example, the two Incredibles if you install sense 2.0 or skyraider 4.0 the need for Incredible 2 lowers quite a bit. I plan on jumping on Incredible 2 just because of its design. It is exactly what I wanted in the first Incredible. I'm all up more for unlocked HTC phones
I sent them an email and got the following response...
Thank you for your feedback regarding the Incredible 2. Unfortunately I do not have information about whether the bootloader is locked or how it can be customized to allow you to install a custom ROM. Because we focus on supporting the software included on the device and assisting users with free technical support we are only able to support the aspects of the device as they are developed by ourselves and your carrier, in this case Verizon.
That said, however, we do value your feedback. You will see an invitation to provide our company with recorded, documented feedback in the signature of my email to you. The ratings at the top are your opportunity to rate my response to you and then there is a comment section that allows you to make your opinions known to HTC itself, rather than to simply the representative who corresponds with you. I would encourage you to submit your opinion there as well, even if you just copy and paste most of your initial email to us.
We track this feedback and it does make a difference in our product decisions. If it turns out the bootloader is locked down with a secure key or other method, your feedback using the survey system may convince the powers that be to change this in a future update.
In regard to your inquiry regarding an API for the Sense interface, any application or widget targeted for Android should work in HTC Sense, so you should be able to use the Android APIs for your development purposes and this will also allow your application to work on phones that do not run HTC Sense, such as competitor phones or even some of our devices like the G2. That said, there are additional resources where you can get information about developing on HTC and Android devices:
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Pretty much just seems like a regular copy paste brush off response.
HTC has some very good reasons for locking devices down, and I don't blame them at all. Their setup is very nice for the average consumer.
I support OEMs locking their hardware in general, however I also support (and am active in) unlocking them. What they really need to do is find a workable solution, like enabling oem unlock.
tylerch said:
I'm kind of angry that HTC chooses to do this I mean after all we all purchased this phone therefor we should have the right to do as we please with it, correct?Sure its not really getting anything done on the rooting scene but the least we can do is tell them we're dissatisfied with their closed approach to Android.
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I have seen a lot of boilerplate brush-offs in my life, and while that HTC rep wasn't able to help get anything done in some concrete form, the letter was not based on a template. Sure they were 2 or 3 paragraphs that sounded stock, but I am guessing (and was very surprised considering what I have seen from HTC on other occasions) that the letter took a longer than average amount of time to write... I do not think it would not be considered a brush off.
And it makes sense... If there is any industry right now which is being carefully watched because of the world's acknowledged impact of it on an individual's daily life, both professional and personal, it is mobile communication and the development thereof. There is an extraordinary amount of money to be made and lost here. HTC is a newcomer through good fortune and I doubt anyone expected them to be sitting next to motorola, samsung, LG, etc. 3 years ago. In this age of social media where 4000 people complaining on a Facebook page can change a corporate policy, HTC is not ignoring any group. And not one with the power we have.
Look at T-Mobile, while I still think their customer device is mediocre, as third place carrier, I have noticed a distinct catering to the "enthusiast" segment of android. Now this doesn't mean they are going to have every phone released sporting a wide open OS like the G1, but their phones are relatively easy to root (wake up Motorola!), and the caliber of their phones (design, cutting edge technology like dual core) is far and away better than the other carriers out there.
I am starting to ramble, but my point is this is a crucial time in an area that we happen to be a big part of. If you don't think the manufacturers or the carriers are keeping a close eye on this board's membership, or the number of people served by CM7, your wrong.. We have the power to turn the carriers and the manufacturers future business plans on their ear. (With early attempts at a "kitchen"... man, that had to make them tremble a bit.) And this enthusiast market is only going to snowball, even if not for true enthusiasts, then for all the people that just want someone to root and re-theme their phone. Trust me, they care.
EDIT: Bottom line, the OP is making a smart suggestion.
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I certainly expected them to be sitting were they are 3 years ago. 5 years ago, no. Hadn't heard of them yet.
Also that was not a stock brush off. Everytime I've contacted HTC I've been happily surprised with their answers. She told you what we need to do to change it so let's do it!
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I agree with jcase that manufacturers and service providers have legitimate reasons for the locking of their respective devices.
One being the protection of their oem software as stated. Another is fraudulent device returns for devices bricked or otherwise rendered inoperable by something done at root level. Lastly the hot topic of rooted tethering and wifi hot spot which are paid services.
So that being said set aside your anger and look at it from their point of view.
I am a rooted user who takes full advantage of my devices potential. I hope that there is a solution in the not too distant future that will both protect the manufacturers and providers interests yet give us the option to modify our devices as we see fit.
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Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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Are you guys serious? HTC has been around for ages (1997) theyre one of the pioneers in pda/smartphone and touchscreen technology. First windows pda, first windows based phone, first 3g cdma smartphone, first android smartphone and first 4g smartphone. They've been innovative when LG and Moto thought the razr and shine were bleeding edge lol. I had NO doubt they would have a seat upon high. ;-)
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efaden said:
Why not just do what computer manufacturers have done for years? Have a recovery procedure. Or what the nook color did and always boot first off the sd card. Half of the reason that bricking occurs is as a result of circumventing the security. If there was a way to always boot off an sd card people could always restore it. No more bricked phones.. and everyone is happy.
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HTC already does this, but many of us are dicking with the bootloader, which handles this. Once you mess with the bootloader, the possibility of bricking is very real.
Locking down the bootloader was Verizon's idea. Not HTC's. They would rather sell them unlocked. Only the carrier wants them locked. Just think about it and you will see why the manufacturers are forced to do so. There is no point contacting HTC. Please send such emails to Verizon. Please do bug HTC to sell unlocked boot loader devices on the net.
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HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
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HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
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I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.
efaden said:
I agree. It would make sense if the only locked ones were the VZW branded, etc.... but unbranded phones are also locked.
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the incS has XTC support, and touchpro hooked raskal up with his verizon inc2 so lets pray we get support for the inc2!!!
jcase said:
HTC first did this on a non carrier branded phone first. The whole "it is Verizon" argument is silly, it is a reaction to the industry and carriers as a whole.
Don't blame Verizon solely, HTC wants this.
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Actually the difficulties with rooting has not been carrier specific. In fact, the troubles started with the myTouch Slide on T-Mobile then the G2 on T-Mobile and now the Incredible 2 on Verizon, the Evo Shift on Sprint, and the Thunderbolt on Verizon.
Seems like this is more HTC than the specific carrier to me.
This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.
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This is good news. HTC is reviewing their bootloader policy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-were-reviewing-our-bootloader-policy
Hopefully they'll let us unlock the bootloaders of phones they already released, like the Inc S and Inc 2.
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Was just about to post this! I hope they let us unlock the bootloaders.
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And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless
LowFire82 said:
And who says Facebook, Twitter, and other social media is completely useless
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Found this on the HTC Facebook page..
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
Hell yea I was just about to post that as well! I hope this means they will provide means to unlock currently locked phones.