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Breaking! - winmo 7 is not based on wince at all

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NOTE: Typo in poll, CE 7.0, NOT 6.0
I was in Bett 2010, an official rep there said that winmo 7 WAS NOT BASED ON CE AT ALL!!! No more infomation was given, my source is based in an office next door to the winmo development centre, he says that there is no CE BUILD USED AT ALL!!! He didn't anything else, if this is the case, we may have a serious problem, sorry to break the bad news
Will answer any questions i can
Badwolve1

Don't mean to be harsh, and thanks for informing the community,
but... so what? if it were true, why would it be a bad thing?

Why a bad thing?
Maybe because all our programs will become a unusable piece of ce code?

jfrm said:
Why a bad thing?
Maybe because all our programs will become a unusable piece of ce code?
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Exactly. Cab files and all that would be a thing of the past and we'd all have to start over from square 1 and re-learn everything.
dwizzy130

How about not being able to use all those apps you may have purchased that are based on CE. (Unless of a compatibility feature/how'd that work with vista? lol) May have to wait till software developer creates new version (if they decide to port).

I seriously don't doubt that in this case there will be some compatibility functionality. It just would not make sense business-wise if microsoft didn't, so I still don't see why it's a bad thing...

Survey says....... thats a lie.
how do I know?
Simple, we would've seen OEM software i.e. HTC, LG, Samsung leak something totally unfamiliar to us.
WM7 rumors get crazier by the year.

Unless Microsoft has suddenly turned into Apple, they will provide backwards compatibility.

vetvito said:
Survey says....... thats a lie.
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I'm with you in that survey.lol
dwizzy130

Badwolve1 said:
I was in Bett 2010, an official rep there said that winmo 7 WAS NOT BASED ON CE AT ALL!!! No more infomation was given, my source is based in an office next door to the winmo development centre, he says that there is no CE BUILD USED AT ALL!!! He didn't anything else, if this is the case, we may have a serious problem, sorry to break the bad news
Will answer any questions i can
Badwolve1
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Please, give us more information if you can. Because if that is true, then it would confirm a very interesting theory that I thought about, based on things I've heard.
So please, try to find out more! Most important, try to find out information about the next CE based version (WM6.6?).
EDIT: By the way, I think this is in the wrong forum, shouldn't it be in General?

As far as I know, WM7 will be based on CE7. That means we'll need new bootloaders etc. There's also some stuff that seems to point to CE5.2 (WM5+) code not running on the CE7 base (the CE6 Zune HD things won't run on CE5.2 and I think the reverse is true), but I heard there was an emulation layer much like the way you can run programs in XP mode on W7.

CE7
Could this be the new WM7?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq02FFo-lOI&feature=player_embedded#

Given that the memory model changed in CE6 and that WinMo 7 apparently has a HAL (http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12103) it's likely that a lot of CE5.2 apps won't run on WinMo 7
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if apps built in .NET CF can simply be recompiled to run on WinMo 7 - it would be very unlike Microsoft to not provide some sort of backwards compatibility

Ut0p1a said:
Could this be the new WM7?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq02FFo-lOI&feature=player_embedded#
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Thats Schaps project. He has been working on it for a while, and looks like he is back...!

Ut0p1a said:
Could this be the new WM7?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq02FFo-lOI&feature=player_embedded#
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Nope.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411836

Theres a wm7 wince 5.2 bsp thats all i can say =]

Badwolve1 said:
I was in Bett 2010, an official rep there said that winmo 7 WAS NOT BASED ON CE AT ALL!!! No more infomation was given, my source is based in an office next door to the winmo development centre, he says that there is no CE BUILD USED AT ALL!!! He didn't anything else, if this is the case, we may have a serious problem, sorry to break the bad news
Will answer any questions i can
Badwolve1
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Can't be true at all. The major advantage MS currently has in mobile segment is its vast application base. MS won't like commit a suicide by deciding to make WM7 not backward compatible.
WinCE has been around since ages now, by dumping WinCE, MS will lose it's market share in mobile/embedded devices sector. And if they are continuing with WinCE, then why not using it in their mobile OS, instead of creating a new kernel from the scratch.
Unless MS has decided to make PC and Mobile software compatible to each other natively.

Intresting...but I am calling it fake news..

the0ne said:
Intresting...but I am calling it fake news..
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+1
This shouldn't be called news unless it is really news! it can be called a rumor at best
WM7 is still a mystery, i have heared it will be based on Silverlight but who knows! i know MVPs who don't know anything about it. MS is NOT and i repeat NOT allowing anything to be leaked!
30 days 4 hours 4 minutes left till Windows Mobile 7.
http://msmobiles.com/wm7.php

anaadoul said:
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This shouldn't be called news unless it is really news! it can be called a rumor at best
WM7 is still a mystery, i have heared it will be based on Silverlight but who knows! i know MVPs who don't know anything about it. MS is NOT and i repeat NOT allowing anything to be leaked!
30 days 4 hours 4 minutes left till Windows Mobile 7.
http://msmobiles.com/wm7.php
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Look here:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8902.html
dwizzy130

XNA(GS4) & VB integration means you can do whatever you want.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27589/GDC_Microsoft_Announces_XNA_Game_Studio_40.php
^it's only a matter of time before you l337 ha><ors will find a way to customize EVERYTHING on WP7S. i got a lot of confidence in all of you cookers.
personally i'm really excited to see what you guys will come up with, not just the standard offerings that OEMs will give us.
if you thinking cooking ROMs now is l337... just wait til you start truly diving into VB and using real powerhouse computer languages to bring a new look to the new phones.
i am already requesting this:
please, som1 'cook' up a LCARs star trek TNG UI complete w/sound fx =). i think the "tricorder" is no longer sci-fi. it's REAL and it's ON

I must have missed the memo when VB became "1337"

it's a mean to an end =P. a tool. ultimately it's l337 ha><ors on here will figure a way around the restrictions and put in their own UI designs =). i don't doubt it. it'll simply be a matter of time and figuring out the BIOS portions. these phones have like a BIOS type stuff like PCs don't they?:

JediFonger said:
if you thinking cooking ROMs now is l337... just wait til you start truly diving into VB and using real powerhouse computer languages to bring a new look to the new phones.
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Sorry, is this VB as in "VisualBasic" or something else that is abbreviated to "VB"? Because I'm really not recognising that as a description of VisualBasic.

JediFonger said:
it's a mean to an end =P. a tool. ultimately it's l337 ha><ors on here will figure a way around the restrictions and put in their own UI designs =). i don't doubt it. it'll simply be a matter of time and figuring out the BIOS portions. these phones have like a BIOS type stuff like PCs don't they?:
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Ah, cool, so you're just giving us textual diarrhea and don't really have a clue what you're on about?
Cheers for the link, anyway.

Shasarak said:
Sorry, is this VB as in "VisualBasic" or something else that is abbreviated to "VB"? Because I'm really not recognising that as a description of VisualBasic.
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may be typo,
I think is VS (Visual studio )
But why XNA don't support VB.net?

elyl, every1 asks me all the time the same question IRL . muhahaha
i think i'm referring to the whole software development package in general. i still use 'old terms' like VisualBasic to refer to the whole 2008 .net C#, etc.etc.etc. and all new languages that are used =P

WP7 is going to support .NET and Silverlight. All managed code so they'll limitations to what you can do. On the brightside that also means they'll be limitations to how much a program can mess up your device lol.

XNA 3.1 doesn't support VB through VS.NET, but you logically, you should be able to use VB for XNA in some fasion, considering it all goes to CLR anyways.
This post is retarded though. WM6.5 had already had access to .NET CF which is alot more complex than the .NET Framework they are exposing to WM7. Where WM7 wins is with Silverlight and XNA. But then again, even both of those frameworks rely on exactly what pieces of the .NET Framework they make available.
If WM7 programming is anything like the Zune HD, expect pure failure. Zune HD SDK is nothing but an embarssment to Microsoft and developers who even want to code with it. I can't imagine Microsoft would make a similar move with WM7, but if they do, Android and iPhone, hell even Palm will have a lead.
Only time can tell, and that time is in a few day. The Beta SDK will be released to MIX Attendees, TAP Members and MSDN Subscribers come monday/tuesday. Expect next week to be a huge week in the development and potential for success of WM7.

cohowap said:
Only time can tell, and that time is in a few day. The Beta SDK will be released to MIX Attendees, TAP Members and MSDN Subscribers come monday/tuesday. Expect next week to be a huge week in the development and potential for success of WM7.
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Not that I don't believe you (it makes sense) but where'd you hear that?

JediFonger said:
i still use 'old terms' like VisualBasic to refer to the whole 2008 .net C#, etc.etc.etc. and all new languages that are used =P
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..Don't

Windows Phone OS 7 Guides [Development::Architecture::Customization]

Some additional information about Windows Phone OS 7. These guides cover technical information about the new OS consisting of
Download the documents here
- Application Development Guide
The OEM and MO Application Guide for WP7 provides guidance on developing applications for a Windows Phone.
- WP7 Architecture Guide
The Architecture Guide provides fundamental technical information about WP7. It serves as a roadmap to the components and core fundamentals of the WP7 architecture.
- WP7 Customization Guide
The Customization Guide for WP7 provides information about customizing the user interface and other system functionality.
Have fun reading, thanks to Tom Codon.

Thanks. Do you have a linkable source?
Casey

Casey_boy said:
Thanks. Do you have a linkable source?
Casey
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That would be post #1

love all the info you guys are digging up... keep em coming... now any one got a spyshot for the HTC Mondrian

The architecture article must be very outdated. It tells about CE6, but afaik, CE6 has been replaced by CE7 during development.

It says "Ferburary 2010".

vangrieg said:
It says "Ferburary 2010".
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Yeah so that's the weird thing about it.

vangrieg said:
It says "Ferburary 2010".
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I was reading some of the architecture guide and some way down it says something(cant remember what) will be ready for the end of 2009.
So I think that it was written in late 2009 for feb 2010. Also some of the information has been changed like it says one one of the guides that you can have external storage which we know MS was now removed.

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The architecture article must be very outdated. It tells about CE6, but afaik, CE6 has been replaced by CE7 during development.
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I believe someone is MS has said it is based on CE6 with features of CE7 added, so its probably somewhere between the two.
MS probably did this as CE7 was not finalised when the started making WP7 so they used CE6 and added features of CE7 that was being made for CE7 by the CE team (dont know what department makes the CE stuff).
I expect that MS could update to the full version of CE7 with a system update (I expect MS to have a major update each year like apple does).

Im not sure if anyone outside of MS knows the answer to this question but would like your views on what you think the answer could be.
I the Customization guide it say that OEM can only add 6 apps that together are no larger that 60mb.
So can a company this Asus who make the Garmin-Asus phones make a wp7 handset with the satnav built-in? (this would be a lot larger than 60mb)

Maps can be a separate download.

Ganondolf said:
I believe someone is MS has said it is based on CE6 with features of CE7 added, so its probably somewhere between the two.
MS probably did this as CE7 was not finalised when the started making WP7 so they used CE6 and added features of CE7 that was being made for CE7 by the CE team (dont know what department makes the CE stuff).
I expect that MS could update to the full version of CE7 with a system update (I expect MS to have a major update each year like apple does).
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This is what I heard too.

Ganondolf said:
I believe someone is MS has said it is based on CE6 with features of CE7 added, so its probably somewhere between the two.
MS probably did this as CE7 was not finalised when the started making WP7 so they used CE6 and added features of CE7 that was being made for CE7 by the CE team (dont know what department makes the CE stuff).
I expect that MS could update to the full version of CE7 with a system update (I expect MS to have a major update each year like apple does).
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Da_G explained it in a previous thread.

RustyGrom said:
Da_G explained it in a previous thread.
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I was speaking about the quote from the microsoft guy, as i feel his explanation of why there is confusion if its CE6 or CE7 is better for us to get a understanding of the situation.
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Maps can be a separate download.
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yes but that would mean that we would have to download a gig or so of maps to the handset or zune software after purchase.
Also does anyone know how big a satnav software is without the maps and voices as i still think it would be large and the OEM only has a cobined total of 60mb for all 6 apps.

Ganondolf said:
I was speaking about the quote from the microsoft guy, as i feel his explanation of why there is confusion if its CE6 or CE7 is better for us to get a understanding of the situation.
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Right but it's rather unlikely that MS would ship WP7 with a pre-production OS. It just wouldn't really make much sense. What Da_G said, and I agree with, is that MS will likely RTM both at the same time (or close). MS has talks planned at their Tech Ed conference next month on things like "WEM308 | Windows Embedded Overview: Demos of the Latest and Upcoming Releases". They haven't announced CE7 but it sounds like they will before then or at TechEd.

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Right but it's rather unlikely that MS would ship WP7 with a pre-production OS. It just wouldn't really make much sense. What Da_G said, and I agree with, is that MS will likely RTM both at the same time (or close). MS has talks planned at their Tech Ed conference next month on things like "WEM308 | Windows Embedded Overview: Demos of the Latest and Upcoming Releases". They haven't announced CE7 but it sounds like they will before then or at TechEd.
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This could be true but its best to remember that CE is not the WP7 OS but only the code the OS is built on so its very possible they could release the WP7 OS like it is now (CE6 + extra code) and then add extra code later (Full CE7).
In the end i dont think it will make a lot of difference to the end user as if they change it to full CE7 they wont have enough time to add the features launch so the added code wont change anything to the next update (around a year later if they go the apple route).
We will have to wait and see what code the finished launch roms use.

I believe Windows Phone 7 is actually based on the Windows CE 6 core with custom add-ons. This would make sense as CE7 is not reached RTM yet and from a development perspective it wouldn't be good to base your new Phone experience on an unfinished base OS. It would also make synchronization of the development between the two teams very complicated.

RustyGrom said:
Right but it's rather unlikely that MS would ship WP7 with a pre-production OS. It just wouldn't really make much sense. What Da_G said, and I agree with, is that MS will likely RTM both at the same time (or close). MS has talks planned at their Tech Ed conference next month on things like "WEM308 | Windows Embedded Overview: Demos of the Latest and Upcoming Releases". They haven't announced CE7 but it sounds like they will before then or at TechEd.
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I wouldn't put it past them. They shipped Windows ME with a late beta build of IE5.5. While I hope they do it right from the start, it also wouldn't surprise me if they rely on that Microsoft-controlled update service a lot in order to get WP7 out the door so they can continue development and update the OS between the time it RTM's and carriers begin selling the phones to consumers. And don't get me wrong, I can't wait for WP7 regardless. Barring some major setback, I am 95% sure I will be in line to pick up a WP7 phone during the first weeks of its release.

Sorry but that is incorrect, CE7 is due to RTM in July, with WP7 due to RTM in October. That is why they are using it now... Its to make sure the CE7 core is bedded down properly, which should help with perf moving forward.
The core is and has always been CE7.

walshieau said:
The core is and has always been CE7.
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so what your trying to say is that Microsoft was wrong when they said it is using CE6+ added bits from CE7 and you are right lol.

Windows 8 to be the Windows Phone 7 Apollo update?

Just skimming the news. Anyone know (links please) otherwise than these claims ?
http://www.knowyourcell.com/news/1219326/windows_8_to_be_the_windows_phone_7_apollo_update.html
Source ^
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Jan 25, 2012
"Renowned blogger and editor of Russian website Mobile-Review has let slip that the Windows 8 update we're looking forward to may actually be codenamed Windows Phone Apollo.
Eldar posted a tweet saying, 'Do u know that windows phone 8 os is special? May be we even dont see word phone here but that's apollo and oct2012'
This was quickly followed by a post stating Windows Phone 7 apps won't be compatible with Windows 8:
'WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level (u need to rewrite all apps). Thats another os core with metro ui...'
Just what is Mutazin suggesting here?
Will we see a separate mobile OS called Windows Phone 8, or will that be Windows Phone 7 - but a newer version?
Also, Nvidia's CEO mentioned last year that Windows Phone 7 apps would work natively on Windows 8.
Although Eldar Murtazin is very often correct with his predictions, he sometimes is way off the mark. We sincerely hope he's wrong about Windows Phone 7 apps not working on Windows 8.
After all, there are very few spectacular ones our there - surely Microsoft wouldn't want to start again?"

If it's better than windows Phone 7 then that would be great, but if it's crapy then no. I can already see disaster with people having to re-write and re-buy apps. I don't know about MS now days, some one over there must be hitting the crack pipe pretty hard.

Eldar is a moron. It has been outright stated by two much more competent sources that wp7 apps would work on windows 8.

z33dev33l said:
Eldar is a moron. It has been outright stated by two much more competent sources that wp7 apps would work on windows 8.
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Ok, cool, but did you forget the links ?

Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.

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Ok, cool, but did you forget the links ?
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Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Right here is the NVIDIA link --http://www.winrumors.com/nvidia-ceo-claims-windows-phone-7-apps-will-run-on-windows-8/
(date is obviously old. This new rumour in the OP's post is recent. So can't say if this link still holds the same value)
Morons will be morons.

Think about it this way wp7 marketplace is barely catching up to likes of android and ios. Why do you think any developers would bother redoing the apps for wp8. Paid apps maybe but not free apps so MS would be starting almost from scratch

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Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Thats a big ass dream. Entirely plausible, but very unlikely to come from Microsoft.
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Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?

nicksti said:
Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
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Windows Phone 7 development uses XAML from Silver Light. Microsoft is dumping Silver Light. Perhaps Eldar misunderstood and thought they were getting rid of XAML and the development tools of Visual Studio 2010 for Windows Phone 8.
http://everythingexpress.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/news-microsoft-kills-silverlight/
Also, it is possible that the apps will all need to be retargeted and recompiled to take advantage of any OS benefits of Windows Phone 8. This was true of Mango to get the fast resume. All a dev needed to do is upgrade the SDK. Change the target platform in the project. Then rebuild. Done.

nicksti said:
Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
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Hmm....Windows Mobile? Besides its not like they would be losing much by starting over again.
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Hmm....Windows Mobile? Besides its not like they would be losing much by starting over again.
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They'd lose support from the developers of the existing 60k apps for sure. Not allowing WP7 apps to run on WP8 would be suicide. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the development environment change to something closer to Windows 8. I just think we'll see compatibility for WP7 apps as well.

PG2G said:
They'd lose support from the developers of the existing 60k apps for sure. Not allowing WP7 apps to run on WP8 would be suicide. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the development environment change to something closer to Windows 8. I just think we'll see compatibility for WP7 apps as well.
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I like the idea jvt put forward up there better.... recompile and carry on. It would on the other hand be a very effective weeding out process to trim down from 50000 redundant /replicative apps to ones that are solid and usable.

Silverlight is .net and the .net libs are platform independent. That means that 90% of your code is reusable either way. The goal is that you can take a shared library that contains your program logic and copy it from your windows pc to your phone without having to recompile or anything. The only thing that then needs rewriting is the user interface lib which must then take advantage of the underlying shared API. Infact it could even be that this is already the case. Either way anything in the future would only require little effort to sort out and if any w8 windows phone convergence happens that does cause incompatability, the mass amount of windows 8 support would be enough to make it neglible.

fed44 said:
Silverlight is .net and the .net libs are platform independent. That means that 90% of your code is reusable either way. The goal is that you can take a shared library that contains your program logic and copy it from your windows pc to your phone without having to recompile or anything. The only thing that then needs rewriting is the user interface lib which must then take advantage of the underlying shared API. Infact it could even be that this is already the case. Either way anything in the future would only require little effort to sort out and if any w8 windows phone convergence happens that does cause incompatability, the mass amount of windows 8 support would be enough to make it neglible.
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Not entirely true. .NET libs are not entirely platform independant. Ever write an app for you phone in C# and try to run it on your PC. Or write it for you PC and run it on your Phone. It doesn't work.
Phones use a compact dot net framework. Windows Phone 8, might supply an updated compact version. This may be incompatible with the previous version, just as the version on Windows Phone 7 is not compatible with the 3.5 version on Windows Mobile 6.5.
In fact, Windows 8 For Tablets is supposed to be getting WinRT.
Here is a negative slanting article, but seems pretty accurate with some exceptions.
http://www.i-programmer.info/profes...3323-windows-phone-7-sunk-by-silverlight.html
I suspect the tablets will also support a dot net compact framework for some time to come.
I've heard from multiple reliable sources at work and through different training companies that Silverlight is done. Development with it is just for phones (for now).
I am hoping they provide some XAML migration, so apps can be easily converted.
Actually, when reading the comments following the video here: http://www.neowin.net/news/former-microsoft-pm-silverlight-is-dead
XAML is coming to C++. With WinRT, C++ and native programming will be in Windows 8 on tablets.
XAML is the mark up language ued by Silverlight. Silverlight uses C#. But, since the programmer uses XAML to define the UI and Silverlight is used to glue it to the C# backend, something else could easily tie the XAML to the backend, so a minimal amount of work would be needed to to rebuild the apps affter Silver Light goes off into the sunset.

What MS meant was Windows 8, not Windows Phone 8. WP8 is, of course, an upgrade of WP7.
They said this because initially they said that crossing apps between windows 8 and phone 8 was possible.

For the folks that though Microsoft might break compatibility for existing apps, a tweet from Brandon Watson
@eldarmurtazin Rewatch Mix11 keynote. We were pretty clear on this. Any app built today will run on next major Windows Phone version.
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Here is the link to the same http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...paign=Feed:+Mobiletechworld+(MobileTechWorld)
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Sigh... Sometimes I just wish Eldar would let his age old hate against MS aside and try digging up some useful information...
He's been such a douché since MS wouldn't let him run the official MS Russia site...

is apollo confirmed as wp7 1gen upgrade ? Or it will be designed for high ends ?

[Q] RT 8.1 Preview has been pulled from preview.windows.com

Seems going directly to preview.windows.com doesn't work any more, as MS has pulled the file download from the site. For what purpose, I don't really know.
So I have been busy all summer and missed out on the RT 8.1 preview, which I finally decided to go for today. However, preview.windows.com simply states "Windows RT 8.1 Preview is not available", stating "the preview is no longer available."
I know it's only a month(ish) until full 8.1 comes out, but now i'm trying to figure out how to get 8.1 on it via other means. I know it's through the store - but it's triggered by a small file download. (an msu i think?)
Does anyone have a mirror of the .msu or has it locally? Or is there another way to try and force the preview to pull down? I thought maybe an 8.1 recovery file would work as well, but I haven't found any of those either. I'd really like to try to get my hands on this.

The preview has ended because 8.1 has been released to manufacturing.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
The preview has ended because 8.1 has been released to manufacturing.
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I understand that but it's a stupid reason, companies still need to test RT devices before October.

brad1825 said:
I understand that but it's a stupid reason, companies still need to test RT devices before October.
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That is not the purpose of the preview builds.
The preview is intended for developers to ensure their software still works with 8.1. It also serves as public testing. It is not intended for consumers or businesses to go "hey whats 8.1 gonna be like", that is what the microsoft demonstration stands are for at various public events (of which I attended one yesterday).

flyingpenguin said:
Seems going directly to preview.windows.com doesn't work any more, as MS has pulled the file download from the site. For what purpose, I don't really know.
So I have been busy all summer and missed out on the RT 8.1 preview, which I finally decided to go for today. However, preview.windows.com simply states "Windows RT 8.1 Preview is not available", stating "the preview is no longer available."
I know it's only a month(ish) until full 8.1 comes out, but now i'm trying to figure out how to get 8.1 on it via other means. I know it's through the store - but it's triggered by a small file download. (an msu i think?)
Does anyone have a mirror of the .msu or has it locally? Or is there another way to try and force the preview to pull down? I thought maybe an 8.1 recovery file would work as well, but I haven't found any of those either. I'd really like to try to get my hands on this.
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Yep, it's a MSU file and you can still get it here:
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=302157 (x64)
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=302158 (x86)
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=302159 (ARM)
However, I just installed it on my SurfaceRT, rebooted and it's still not showing up in the store.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft pulled it from the Store.

ISO files still available from
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/preview-iso

I'm in the same boat. I just bought a Surface RT for my mom, only to discover that the 8.1 Preview is "not available" anymore. I was counting on it because my mom insists on having Outlook. Now, I have to either successfully convince her to use Windows Mail for two months or re-sell the device.
This is such a dumb decision by Microsoft. They're desperate to sell off their still-large inventory of 1st-gen Surface RTs (see the $150 price drop, as well as the $50 drop on the Touch Cover), and, yet, the devices are actually less attractive now than they were just a week ago. It wouldn't have hurt them any to continue offering the RT 8.1 Preview until mid-October, but pulling it now will hurt them a little. You really have to wonder what Microsoft is thinking.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
The preview has ended because 8.1 has been released to manufacturing.
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The preview is still available for x64 and x86 architectures and in over a dozen languages (see the link just above). It's only the RT 8.1 Preview that has been pulled. I can't think of any valid rationale for that. If it has something to do with the Surface RT 2 coming, it still doesn't make sense, since the 1st-gens have to be sold eventually (and they'll only get less profitable) and will be freely upgraded to 8.1, anyways.
seanicca said:
ISO files still available from
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/preview-iso
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ISOs are available for x64 and x86, not for ARM (RT). When you visit the page on RT, you get the "Windows RT 8.1 Preview is not available" message.

I am totally lost as to how this hurts microsoft?
THE PREVIEW IS NOT FOR CONSUMERS - IE YOU GUYS.
So they pull something not even intended for you guys to use it and you say this hurts microsoft? Hurts you perhaps but not microsoft. They have the real 8.1 in the pipe.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
I am totally lost as to how this hurts microsoft?
THE PREVIEW IS NOT FOR CONSUMERS - IE YOU GUYS.
So they pull something not even intended for you guys to use it and you say this hurts microsoft? Hurts you perhaps but not microsoft. They have the real 8.1 in the pipe.
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If you're just going to effectively shout at other users, I'm not going to bother to answer your questions or correct the multiple false assertions that you've made in this thread. I'm not even sure why you're here, since you're not helping with the problem any.

actually, I heard 8.1 doesn't work very well
but anyway, I am really looking forward to 8.1

You cannot update windows 8.1 preview to the 8.1 release version by the way.

Dude, seriously, calm down a bit.
1) The RT preview is supposed to be upgradable to RTM.
2) Pulling the RT preview so long before general availability is, in fact, stupid; how are third-party developers (like, you know, the target audience of this web forum) supposed to test their 8.1 apps unless they already upgraded?
3) While not intended for general usage and having multiple known issues, the 8.1 preview is certainly usable by the general public. It might not be the greatest idea, but still, it's better to have the option than to not have it. Removing that option removes a reason for people to buy RT right now.

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brad1825 said:
I understand that but it's a stupid reason, companies still need to test RT devices before October.
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SixSixSevenSeven said:
That is not the purpose of the preview builds.
The preview is intended for developers to ensure their software still works with 8.1. It also serves as public testing. It is not intended for consumers or businesses to go "hey whats 8.1 gonna be like", that is what the microsoft demonstration stands are for at various public events (of which I attended one yesterday).
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Chill out dude.
I am a professional developer, own a software company and happen to be a Microsoft Partner.
That's exactly why I need this, to test software.
For anyone else, it looks like the RT version just leaked online within the last 24hours.