IMEI-Check used to run by a guy called Florin Mandache. He always seemed very good, helpful and I think was highly regarded, from what I've read on various forums.
Suddenly his unlocking site has insisted that you need to send them some Photo-ID in addition to the PayPal payment. Hang on a minute, fraud is not his problem, that's up to PayPal and PayPal say they do not need it.
In my case the payment has gone from PayPal to IMEI-Check but they're still insisting on Photo-ID
So I inquired to [email protected] as to why Photo-ID was needed as just about everybody advises you nowadays, not to give out that kinda stuff on the net!
The reply "Below" was not like any reply I'd seen Florin make on bulletin boards before (his english is better!) and now I'm very nervous about using them...
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From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Question regarding fraud
Hello,
We want to make sure that you are the real owner of the account and nothing else. We are LTD company, and we signed the data protection act.
If you still worried about sending the ID, i recomend you to use one of our reseller www.unlockitnow.com.
Regards,
IMEI-CHECK Team
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Unlockitnow.com are a reseller???..
Does anybody have any thoughts?
Thanks,
Dai
Hi there,
We had to introduce this protection to avoid people buying with hijacked accounts , because two weeks ago we cought one of the big scammers/phishers and now police is investigating this and paypal and ebay need (a much to long) time to investigate.
So to protect ourself we had to install this extra protection.
The seller is not getting any money if was used by hijacked paypal accounts. Even worse we have to pay GBP7 / reversed transaction...
To keep this service online we request something which proves identity of the paypal account holder. So the hijacker (which sold for 15GBP on ebay) will not have a chance anymore. We have to continue until police arrested this guy (full address and name are known)
Regarding paypal saying not to send anything is not true! Paypal says NOT TO SEND CREDIT CARD DETAILS OR BANK DETAILS (we never ask for them).
Also here is a quote from our paypal manager (when we said to them that we had to introduce this verification because PayPal don't protect us and our sells droped):
"If you conduct business on the internet, you should be putting processes
in place to minimise your risk as much as possible, so the id
verification is an excellent idea. As a business person, I presume you
weighed up the costs of losing out to fraudulent activity relative to
the drop in sales. These processes are your responsibility, not
PayPal's. PayPal enables you to transact quickly and safely with buyers,
they are not obliged to absorb losses you incur in doing so. Most
businesses factor in a percentage to cover these sort of losses
regardless of whether it is the physical or online environment."
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CREDIT CARD FRAUD IS A CRIME![/quote]
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Here is what happened.I paid for two unlocking codes from thier web site. It cleary stated that they had the capability to unlock my model cell phone which they list have listed on their site
http://www.unlockcodes.ie/index.php/application/credit
...but now they are telling me the codes are not available from their suppliers but they have proceeded to hold on to my credit card funds and i must use the unlocking credits that I have purchased on their site with no way of redeeming my funds back to my credit card,even though I have no wish to use this web site ever again.
Has this scenario happened to anyone else before?
Sounds like they could do what they promised and just don't want to give you your money back.
I would file a complaint with Pay Pal amd contact your Credit Card Company's fraud dept.
I have found that I have a very small voice, but American Express can weild a very big hammer.
I ordered a code to unlock my desire from HTCCODE.COM last month Never got my code, Zero contact from the seller, sent e-mails for a refund but got no replies, field a dispute with paypal and got this answer.
Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
We have concluded our investigation into your case:
Case ID: PP-000-978-685-028
Transaction Date: 6 Jun 2010
Transaction Amount: -15.00 EUR
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Name: Synapz
Unfortunately, we were unable to resolve this claim in your favour because
the item purchased was virtual or intangible. As a result, we have not
taken any action against the seller at this time but we have noted your
dissatisfaction in the seller's record for future reference.
If you still have concerns about this transaction, we encourage you to
continue to work directly with the seller for an amicable resolution.
Thank you,
July
Protection Services Department
Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and you
will not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account
and click the Help link in the top right corner of any PayPal page.
So be warned people can just take your money with no repercussions.
Very very sad, paypal are completely useless, so much for buyer protection. its only 15 euros but its the principal, im going to let as many people know about this as possible, there shoudl be laws against people like this how is it in this day and age people can still hide behine the internets anonymity and "virtual items" loopholes.
So be WARNED AVOID HTCCODE.COM
The scammer is proberley hetrosexual.
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Eh Dear, shame about that mate
if you gave sent the money as a gift they might be able to do something about it but other then that your boned!
If you have a hacker friend just point him at totalgsm.org and say the magic words,,,,, 'please yourself'
Use eBay to unlock your desire. The unlockers on there get about 99.8% positive feedback and your money will be protected. Plus it's cheaper than anywhere else. Why pay more?
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i dont like any of these unlock sites, i would rather go to some guy in a dodgy phone shop.
if you read the terms and conditions on these sites, what is says is quite shocking.
in a nutshell you are buying a code, not a service to unlock your phone. so if the code doesn't unlock your phone, you just payed for a random number, literally.
Paypal is the expert on providing reasons to now help you, I have been on both ends (seller & buyer) and Paypal gave some reason in all cases not to help.
I've used HTCCODE.COM in the past and although communication hasn't been great, they've always come through eventually.
PM ferraripassion on these forums, as he is part of HTCCODE.COM and I'm sure he'll either give you your code or refund your money.
Regards,
Dave
You're quiet unlucky, as I did file a paypal dispute and won, got the whole of my money back and crossed the website of my agenda.
They didn't give your code cos they are all off their faces on your hard earnt moneez.
Selling a number is a scam in the first place IMO
I purchased the unlock using a credit card, and couldn't get the htccode unlock application to connect. I used the live support link on the website and an engineer took my IMEI number, and 10 minutes later I received my code via email which worked perfectly.
This is the second time I have used them successfully for different devices, and although I understand your frustration at not getting your code, you do not explain what went wrong in the first place to cause you to want to get a refund.
Categizoring a service as a scam due to a single failure does not seem representative to me; perhaps you can clarify what went wrong in the first place, and how you have tried to contact them as they were very responsive in my case, and anxious to receive good feedback.
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matthewb66 said:
I purchased the unlock using a credit card, and couldn't get the htccode unlock application to connect. I used the live support link on the website and an engineer took my IMEI number, and 10 minutes later I received my code via email which worked perfectly.
This is the second time I have used them successfully for different devices, and although I understand your frustration at not getting your code, you do not explain what went wrong in the first place to cause you to want to get a refund.
Categizoring a service as a scam due to a single failure does not seem representative to me; perhaps you can clarify what went wrong in the first place, and how you have tried to contact them as they were very responsive in my case, and anxious to receive good feedback.
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did you not read his post?
he clarified what went wrong, and that is that HE NEVER GOT THE UNLOCK CODE
he also says that he e-mailed them numerous times with no response
code from ebay
I used express-codes from ebay paid 8.99 £ got the code 5 minutes later
would use again
trucker11 said:
I used express-codes from ebay paid 8.99 £ got the code 5 minutes later
would use again
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They're actually charging £17.99 for the Desire.
EDIT: Sorry, they have multiple auctions for the same device all at different prices. How bizarre.
Hmm can anyone recommend any good sites then? I've heard Unlock Zone is a good safe site with very good feedback. Any other good and trusted sites to unlock?
I'm gonna say you were just unlucky/something went wrong. Paul O'Brien (who laid a fair share of the groundwork for rooting Desires) supports that site, as it's a sticky topic on his forum, and I trust that guy.
It kinda sells itself, but after losing $350 due to someone receiving my item, Delivery confirmation confirming it and PayPal still refunding their money, I have decided to make the transition to other means of accepting payments.
They have a failsafe method like PayPal (link), and they charge no fees, without having to use an unsafe "gifting" method.
It wouldn't be too hard to implement, and it would help those of us who want a safe method to pay without the unfairness of paypal.
agreed. Haven't used paypal in a couple of years, except when using a CC without logging in. No way I'd ever give them a chance after I got shafted on an ebay sale...
Can you give an example link to donate?
At the moment the system uses an e-mail address to build a PayPal URL. I don't know the limitations of the plugin we used for this, nor if we can implement it, but this info might help.
Thanks
Dave
Sure, It is outlined here. You need an amazon account, but once signed in, you go here
I think it would help people hesitant of using PayPal and their corrupt practices. You send money for free, and you have a net to protect yourself.
I've heard you mention this before, just checked out the website and looks like a good, viable alternative.
Do you know if it's a worldwide thing, or just limited to the US? Amazon won't ship anything to Australia, so I'm assuming this won't work with an Australian credit card or bank account. I couldn't see much relating to International users.
I like that there's no fees involved turnaround time on withdrawing funds to bank accounts isn't too flash though
juzz86 said:
I've heard you mention this before, just checked out the website and looks like a good, viable alternative.
Do you know if it's a worldwide thing, or just limited to the US? Amazon won't ship anything to Australia, so I'm assuming this won't work with an Australian credit card or bank account. I couldn't see much relating to International users.
I like that there's no fees involved turnaround time on withdrawing funds to bank accounts isn't too flash though
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Money transfer services are currently only available in the United States
quote from their site...
A shame, it looks a viable competitor to Paypal, and I'm sure many people would use it, given most people have bought from Amazon anyway.
pulser_g2 said:
Money transfer services are currently only available in the United States
quote from their site...
A shame, it looks a viable competitor to Paypal, and I'm sure many people would use it, given most people have bought from Amazon anyway.
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Cheers Pulser, must've had a 'boy look'
If it were International I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. Very much over paying PayPal's ridiculous fees and losing both money and phones. I'm out about $1700 thanks to PayPal.
Hopefully, it's only a matter of time...
Hi guys,
I require here some assistance dealing with this online seller
Ordered the desktop and the card dock on their website on 22nd Feb (£108.35 GBP) with paypal
After the update of my order (because items were not in stock) I asked for a refund on 24th Feb
Got an answer they will send it "soon"
Asked again for refund on 28th feb
No answer
Asked again on 15th Apr
Answer on 15th Apr: items will be on stock on 20 Apr
Asked for refund again on 15th
On 16th Apr, I asked again how is the refund process going on
Got this answer : "I have already passed your details to accounts for refund to be made"
On 17th May, I emailed them again and contacted paypal
Same day : I got this answer : "We will have the product in stock on 22nd and we will send it out via DHL"
Asked again for refund the 18th May
No answer and no refund done.
My question is, I think I'm not in the delay to get the refund via paypal, what can I do now ?
How can I advertise their customer service to have some more pressure ?
Any help appreciated.
Regards
T'
open a paypal dispute?
Open a ticket with PayPal, and be firm with them. Threaten to contact the appropriate authorities if no refund is made within 24 hours.
Since I worked in credit card billing disputes I will lend my experience. I believe your time frame to dispute with paypal may be passed but call them anyway and open a dispute on an unreceived item if you can. If that doesn't pan out, go to your credit card company and do the same thing. The seller will have to provide proof of delivery in order to win the dispute. Hopefully you used a credit card to pay cause I don't know how other payments are disputed.
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As mentioned above, file with PP anyways, they still might be able to help.
Have all your communications been done by email? If so, try calling. Those types of emails are likely "hot potatoes" and no one wants to deal with them. Talk to a "real person" and you'll likely have a much better chance of making them sympathetic to your situation.
Paypal dispute has ended after 45 day, and paypal do stick to the rules, unless you made payment with a credit card company, there is nothing you can do, but since the credit card payment was made to paypal, i'm not sure if the credit card company can do anything, maybe eqjunkie829 can answer this.
The local authorities is your best bet.
Yeah I thought that paypal dispute was 45 days but wasn't sure. Anyways get a dispute started immediately don't wait, you are on a time limitation for disputing with credit card and time is only on the merchants favor. After 180 days at the credit card I worked at, the merchant isn't even required to respond and you will not get anything if they don't.
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Dispute the charge with your credit card company. I had a similar situation and was also outside the 45 day limit with PayPal. If you didn't receive the item then you are within your rights to get your money back.
Your credit card company will send the dispute notice to pay pal who will then start a conflict with the seller.
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Thank you all for advices,
As mentioned, the dispute I opened with pp was closed (because I was out of the 45 days limit)
I'll try to call this online store directly, if it's not successfull, I'll get in touch with my credit card company.
Never had this kind of problem before (after 12+ years of buying stuff online)
Regards.
T'
zuberio said:
Dispute the charge with your credit card company. I had a similar situation and was also outside the 45 day limit with PayPal. If you didn't receive the item then you are within your rights to get your money back.
Your credit card company will send the dispute notice to pay pal who will then start a conflict with the seller.
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Thanks for letting me know, I wasn't too sure about this because the credit card company made payment to paypal and not to the seller, so the credit card company can't direct the dispute to the seller.
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Tibow said:
Thank you all for advices,
As mentioned, the dispute I opened with pp was closed (because I was out of the 45 days limit)
I'll try to call this online store directly, if it's not successfull, I'll get in touch with my credit card company.
Never had this kind of problem before (after 12+ years of buying stuff online)
Regards.
T'
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Take our advice, forget about the online store, If they are really sincere to do something, it would of happened a few months back, don't waste time, go direct to the credit card company and end this.
waiting for the good news, please let use know.
refunded?
what happened next? did you get refund?
Hey
Just wanted to check in and notify / see if anyone else has had issues with their OnePlus 5t purchase from the official Oneplus website?
I recently upgraded my 3t with a white 5t last week, using a credit card that I don't normally use (it's left in the house). Literally a day later, I get a call from my credit card company advising me they have blocked multiple attempted electrical purchases. My mobile phone number was also "reported stolen" at the same time, I assume to try and facilitate the credit card fraud. It appears as though I am not the only one who has experienced this issue, after buying direct off the Oneplus website.
There is a long thread on their 5t Community Forums named "Credit Card Fraud" with multiple folk being defrauded. (I can't post a link to the post yet, as I am a new-ish user )
Whilst I can not 100% say this is down to Oneplus, the balance of probability is that someone in their employee / contractor chain has potentially stolen customer details.
Just a heads up for those considering a direct purchase.
Thanks for the heads up. I found the thread you're referring to. The fraud seems to be spreading all over. I've always had fraud alerts enabled on all my accounts but just to be safe I checked all my cards and i'm good for now. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Why don't you use PayPal ?
Yeah I've used paypal with my Oneplus purchases. The company the money actually goes to is unknown to me.
"DA SHENG INTERNATIONAL TRADE CO., LIMITED"
Whoever that is :L
Jonnyn93 said:
Yeah I've used paypal with my Oneplus purchases. The company the money actually goes to is unknown to me.
"DA SHENG INTERNATIONAL TRADE CO., LIMITED"
Whoever that is :L
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OnePlus' PayPal account if you can believe it.
Jonnyn93 said:
Yeah I've used paypal with my Oneplus purchases. The company the money actually goes to is unknown to me.
"DA SHENG INTERNATIONAL TRADE CO., LIMITED"
Whoever that is :L
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It's the company owning 1+
Just seen the masses of Reddit posts on this issue. It looks big!
There's no employee involved in it. It's just a flaw OP has on site.
https://www.fidusinfosec.com/oneplus-checkout
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It's the company owning 1+
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Oneplus is owned by BBK Electronics
My bank preactively deactivated my CC because I had bought from a merchant which had served other customers which became victims to fraud: OnePlus. I am now waiting for a new card to be issued, luckily I did not see any fraudulent transactions on my account.
I'm in the "club"
I saw this post earlier this week... Immediately I logged in and checked my credit card and saw that everything was OK.
Today, however, I got a message from my credit card warning me about a possible fraudulent activity which I didn't do. So... yes, happened to me also...
Thanks for the heads up!