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[Q] 4.3 performance and battery life

I installed 4.3 last week which I now bitterly regret:
- memory footprint has almost doubled
- battery life has almost halved
- most applications no longer launch immediately, there is a black screen or a hang for several seconds before the apps actually launch
Is that to be expected or is there anything that can be done?
By the looks of it, Samsung may have expedited my move to another manufacturer.

LuckyLinUK said:
I installed 4.3 last week which I now bitterly regret:
- memory footprint has almost doubled
- battery life has almost halved
- most applications no longer launch immediately, there is a black screen or a hang for several seconds before the apps actually launch
Is that to be expected or is there anything that can be done?
By the looks of it, Samsung may have expedited my move to another manufacturer.
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Be helpful if you further identified what ROM and build number you use.
Also do u have any mods installed e.g. Note 3 app package?
Don't let available RAM discourage you, Android is meant to use what's available to offer an improved user experience.
Overall, for me the upgrade to 4.3 from 4.1 is a large improvement. Assuming you're on stock 4.3 try a custom ROM. Try them all. That will keep you busy for a while

tweeny80 said:
Be helpful if you further identified what ROM and build number you use.
Also do u have any mods installed e.g. Note 3 app package?
Don't let available RAM discourage you, Android is meant to use what's available to offer an improved user experience.
Overall, for me the upgrade to 4.3 from 4.1 is a large improvement. Assuming you're on stock 4.3 try a custom ROM. Try them all. That will keep you busy for a while
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I use stock, never rooted and updated via OTA. No mods and I did not install anything new after the update. The reason I am concerned about the memory footprint is that it correlates with the performance - it's never great, but anything beyond 1.5Gb and it almost becomes unusable.
While I appreciate the advice, I don't want to go down the route of a custom rom, it should work fine with what the manufacturer provides who does not provide a downgrade option.
I anticipated that Samsung would bungle this too, that's why I could kick myself for installing this.

LuckyLinUK said:
I use stock, never rooted and updated via OTA. No mods and I did not install anything new after the update. The reason I am concerned about the memory footprint is that it correlates with the performance - it's never great, but anything beyond 1.5Gb and it almost becomes unusable.
While I appreciate the advice, I don't want to go down the route of a custom rom, it should work fine with what the manufacturer provides who does not provide a downgrade option.
I anticipated that Samsung would bungle this too, that's why I could kick myself for installing this.
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Yup, I'm picking up what you're laying down...
Keep in mind Samsung released sub par 4.3 builds to many users. Their later releases were vastly improved. Check your build number. Be aware that by rooting you can install a stock Rom that is the latest revision.
I get your stance on stock but given the reality, aren't you best served to take matters into your own hands?
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tweeny80 said:
Yup, I'm picking up what you're laying down...
Keep in mind Samsung released sub par 4.3 builds to many users. Their later releases were vastly improved. Check your build number. Be aware that by rooting you can install a stock Rom that is the latest revision.
I get your stance on stock but given the reality, aren't you best served to take matters into your own hands?
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Cheers.
Well, OTA tells me that the latest update is installed so I presume that all their builds are bungled. I don't wish to void the warranty, or worse, brick the device with a custom ROM setup.
Installing and testing different roms until you find one that works is time consuming and I just want a working phone.
But you are right about taking matters into my own hands, I am going to the phone store tomorrow and check out what would suit me, Nexus perhaps or a Lumina.
As far as I am concerned, that was the first and last Samsung phone I have bought.

LuckyLinUK said:
Cheers.
Well, OTA tells me that the latest update is installed so I presume that all their builds are bungled. I don't wish to void the warranty, or worse, brick the device with a custom ROM setup.
Installing and testing different roms until you find one that works is time consuming and I just want a working phone.
But you are right about taking matters into my own hands, I am going to the phone store tomorrow and check out what would suit me, Nexus perhaps or a Lumina.
As far as I am concerned, that was the first and last Samsung phone I have bought.
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I would strongly suggest the HTC One or its soon to come successor. Wonderfully polished device and I would argue it's the most fluid Android phone around. It's certainly the most beautiful construction wise. Similarly I much prefer the sense ui over the ghastly samsung touchwiz ui.
Alternatively try a factory reset of your current, although this will be time consuming and, quite frankly, a pain in the ass.

Do a factory reset.
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Hi All
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d7nku said:
Hi All
I have just preordered my Find 7 via Amazon UK
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I want to say you made a bad choice. The development via Stock ROM is very slow for the international release. You might get frustrated like most of the people at @ oppoforums

nifear4 said:
I want to say you made a bad choice. The development via Stock ROM is very slow for the international release. You might get frustrated like most of the people at @ oppoforums
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While it is slow, it's by no means a bad phone. Especially if you install a rom on it

nifear4 said:
I want to say you made a bad choice. The development via Stock ROM is very slow for the international release. You might get frustrated like most of the people at @ oppoforums
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Do you mean to say that just because the software update is not frequent or present I should not buy this phone?

d7nku said:
Do you mean to say that just because the software update is not frequent or present I should not buy this phone?
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That's really up to your preference. I like what MaxxAudio adds, and the stock camera more than exceeded my expectations. Flashing to a stock rom would lose both of those things. A lot of people in the CM12 / nameless thread praise the battery life but I've been getting similar SOT/standby times on stock without having to worry about the random instability bugs that are still coming up (1-3% overnight usually, and otherwise idle is about 0.75% an hour according to GSM - longest i've stretched it to was 70 hours standby with 4.5 hours SOT from watching Gin no Saji). As pretty as Lollipop looks, I don't really feel like it would affect my daily usage of the phone.
So decide for yourself. Screen is great, i love watching my shows on here. Can easily get through a 25 minute episode of w/e show i'm watching with only 3-4% each with H/W+ decoding, the 10 bit videos that require S/W decoding suck up about 8-9%. A 29 minute youtube video drained 7% the other day (kingdom come deliverance update). Listening to music is great too, having an SD card slot is nice compared to a lot of other flagships right now. Play a lot of Phoenix Wright on drasticDS these days, phone never really gets hot or anything and drains pretty slowly considering you're running an emulator. Listening to my audiobook over bluetooth to a speaker sips about 1% an hour while I'm working out on rings.
For the price, I don't think you will be disappointed, I certainly wasn't. But if using a stock rom, or playing around with custom roms often is something you want to do then it might be better to look elsewhere.

d7nku said:
Do you mean to say that just because the software update is not frequent or present I should not buy this phone?
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Absolutely not! IMO the phone is solid on it's own stock firmware. People here tend to believe if it ain't broke, fix it anyway. In a way the stock firmware out performs the custom roms at the moment because of the camera app, the Maxx audio, screen off gestures, the auto power on for an alarm. You can reasonably expect the software to update to Lolipop in March or so. I only just started messing around wit custom roms which leads me to the stock firmwares only downside In my opinion.
Oppo for some reason decided to limit the amount of storage available for apps. So forget about having both XCOM and Clash of clans on your phone at once. I am running Nameless Rom with unified storage so I'm happy now. But as soon as Lollipop ColorOS is released I'm going back to stock.

You made an excellent choice. There's talk of unified storage being in the next OTA update, so limited space for apps should be a thing of the past. If you're one of those Android obsessives desperately wanting lollipop then you will be disapointed with colorOS - they still haven't released OTA kitkat, let alone lollipop. But there are plenty of updated ROMs to manually flash. Personally, I'm perfectly content with my rooted colorOS - faultless, and who needs Viper when you've got MaxxAudio?

[Q] who still uses KK on the tab??

just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...

Monster212 said:
just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...
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I don't own tab but personally I think lollipop is a failed OS. Too bad for battery life although overall performance is better.
Back to kitkat N9005 Tweaked3.95 + LK3.17

My T800 ran for 260 days on kitkat without needing to be rebooted or tuned off even once now that is stability and i used it every day, when i did turn it off it was just to recalibrate the battery.
Too many reported problems with lollipop from less battery life, to lines on the screen, touchscreen problem, flash led problems, too much white in the stock apps and setting menu, stupid on an oled display.
I rooted my T800 and fixed the microsd problem, added AC3 support to the stock video player so why do i need kitkat, not saying i will not upgrade in the future to android m.
John.

I'm in the process of downgrade right now!

Ye i just flashed lollipop rom yesterday and now im rolling back to kk, i dont know if samsung is just trolling or what. you get a tiny status bar & notif panel then a blown up recent app manager, wtf? Plus no official xposed, and everything is just white & sky blue :/

A lot of people on SamMobile are saying that lollipop is a wasted update as it offers nothing new, and introduces a load of problems, also they are not happy at the way Samsung releases the updates.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/16/samsungs-software-update-policy-is-seriously-messed-up/
John.

For now, I believe they'll keep releasing 5.0 for older devices, and 5.1 for new ones.
Older models will always be one step behind, it's called marketing and forcing "impatient customers" to upgrade their device.
Although I notice these T700 and T800 5.0 versions keep getting patched with new updates and more stability, I believe we'll only get 5.1 when Android M is released for newer devices.
Then after 1, 2, or 3 years from release date and depending on each device, they are forgotten by the manufacturer and software updates are stopped, hoping you'll buy again a newer model, regardless of your device purchase date and condition.
And this in a way, explains why the XDA community is strong.

I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.

Yeah, I choked on the lollipop, but i loved the chocolaty goodness of kitkat, stay on kitkat and don't be a sucker.
John.

hurdlejade said:
I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.
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In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.

When you say performance are you talking about gaming? , if so a lot of people don't game or only use simple games that don't require a great deal of system performance.
I don't game, and i have not seen any laginess on kitkat, i had it running 260 days without any problems i did not reset or shut-down a single time.
John.
pacc said:
In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.
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With LP you do need to reboot now and then due to ram leak problem.
Let's say LP is faster than KK at the beginning and after a few days it crawls due to ram leak, until you reboot and it's pristine again for the next days.

To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.

It`s great if you can tune lollipop the way you want, but most people cannot do this, and get stuck on a buggy stock rom until the next official update, which might never arrive, thank-you Samsung.
John.

Hookmt said:
To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.
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Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.

ashyx said:
Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
John.
3DSammy said:
I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
John.
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Assuming you are asking about my Tab S experience, I used the guide in this forum to root without tripping Knox. I had to downgrade to stock Kitkat then root then upgrade to stock Lollipop. As soon as you downgrade using Odin you must do a factory reset in stock recovery, so yes I reset and always after the firmware change. In fact I've done the whole process several times as I've tried theming and every time I changed framework-res.apk it borked the UI and I need to do the whole process again.
At this time I've sworn off changing framework-res.apk. It is not a total write off as Flashfire back ups recover everything like a nadroid backup. Its weakness is that if you cannot start the app you can not do a restore. All that due to not wanting to loose my warranty on a two month old device so cannot flash a custom recovery like TWRP.
I did successfully flash from Lollipop B0E2 to B0E3 (boot, recover, system images) using Flashfire. That upgrade did not require a factory reset. In fact my user data, apps, root (SuperSU) and settings remained intact. All I need to do was re-flash any SuperSU policies I had previously installed along with any apps I installed in /system such as Viper4Android.
Specifically the upgrade and resulting experience was almost identical to upgrading Lollipop on my Nexus devices (5.0 through to 5.1.1), which is very easy and never required a factory reset. Although I usually clear the cache/dalvik just to be safe.

New phone where to start?

Hi folks, I purchase a LG Nexux 5X and will arrive soon and was wondering where should I start modding it.
I have done several mods in other phones and on the gear 2 neo, so I know how to use odin and some adb functions.
I usually don't tamper with a new phone unless it is really slow or annoying me with some bug, but would like to know if there are some minor tweaks I can begin to tinker with that will enhance my overall experience with this phone.
Thanks in advance
Best Regards.
-Ich

Icharius said:
Hi folks, I purchase a LG Nexux 5X and will arrive soon and was wondering where should I start modding it.
I have done several mods in other phones and on the gear 2 neo, so I know how to use odin and some adb functions.
I usually don't tamper with a new phone unless it is really slow or annoying me with some bug, but would like to know if there are some minor tweaks I can begin to tinker with that will enhance my overall experience with this phone.
Thanks in advance
Best Regards.
-Ich
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Getting my Nexus 5X tomorrow but currently use a Nexus 5. With any Nexus you want to start off with setting up the Android SDK and all the Nexus drivers on your computer so if something does go south, you are ready to fix it with the factory images. The first thing I am going to do with mine is put Android N on it since I haven't had the chance to try it yet. Then root and most likely be happy with that for a while. Since Android N will probably be officially released soon, I'm sure that's when a lot of stuff will start happening around here. Hopefully Xposed will get updated to work with it. If so, that will be my setup. Stock, rooted and Xposed. That's basically what I have been running on my Nexus 5 for a while now. But if you want to try out custom ROMs, there are those too.

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Getting my Nexus 5X tomorrow but currently use a Nexus 5. With any Nexus you want to start off with setting up the Android SDK and all the Nexus drivers on your computer so if something does go south, you are ready to fix it with the factory images. The first thing I am going to do with mine is put Android N on it since I haven't had the chance to try it yet. Then root and most likely be happy with that for a while. Since Android N will probably be officially released soon, I'm sure that's when a lot of stuff will start happening around here. Hopefully Xposed will get updated to work with it. If so, that will be my setup. Stock, rooted and Xposed. That's basically what I have been running on my Nexus 5 for a while now. But if you want to try out custom ROMs, there are those too.
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Thanks for your reply. good advice to save the original rom image! I will probably root too, because I usually OC my phones hopefully that won't be so much a hassle.

If I were you, I wouldn't OC at all. Snapdragon 800 series likes to overheat and throttle itself, making it slower than usual.

Icharius said:
Hi folks, I purchase a LG Nexux 5X and will arrive soon and was wondering where should I start modding it.
I have done several mods in other phones and on the gear 2 neo, so I know how to use odin and some adb functions.
I usually don't tamper with a new phone unless it is really slow or annoying me with some bug, but would like to know if there are some minor tweaks I can begin to tinker with that will enhance my overall experience with this phone.
Thanks in advance
Best Regards.
-Ich
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I have the N5X for several months.
I previously had the N4, N5, and OnePlus One (still have it, wife uses it).
I used stock, I used to flash ROMs at least twice a week minimum (same on the other devices). Various ROMs, to test their performance, their tweaks, their perks, their battery life... you name it.
However, flashing ROMs and trying out various mods feels very much like living on the road with your backpack on, rather than staying at home and having a steady job. Because while flashing ROMs, you don't always re-install all the things you had (Even if you backup with Titanium Backup, as some things don't survive data restore very well). Last week I made the decision to go stock and stay stock (well, not really, I went stock Android N Preview 5, which will receive OTA to full Nugget in about a month).
I have to tell you... I don't quite feel any difference other than losing a feature or two. Speed is still great; snappiness is snappy, no bugs and no issues. It feels great even though its encypted (by default), while all this time I was certain being un-unecrypted made the device any snappier; that was just a placebo I guess.
So yeah, you can go ahead and flash a custom ROM (or many of them!), but don't do it for improved performance. Stock performance is truly awesome, and while some ROMs make it better, for sure - it's not THAT better, not in any noticeable way. Do it for features, do it for fun, do it for curiosity, DO IT! But just know the simple truth that Stock Android 6 and definitely 7 are so good and bug-less, that there is no need to get customized to resolve any bugs or performance issues; there are none.

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I have the N5X for several months.
I previously had the N4, N5, and OnePlus One (still have it, wife uses it).
I used stock, I used to flash ROMs at least twice a week minimum (same on the other devices). Various ROMs, to test their performance, their tweaks, their perks, their battery life... you name it.
However, flashing ROMs and trying out various mods feels very much like living on the road with your backpack on, rather than staying at home and having a steady job. Because while flashing ROMs, you don't always re-install all the things you had (Even if you backup with Titanium Backup, as some things don't survive data restore very well). Last week I made the decision to go stock and stay stock (well, not really, I went stock Android N Preview 5, which will receive OTA to full Nugget in about a month).
I have to tell you... I don't quite feel any difference other than losing a feature or two. Speed is still great; snappiness is snappy, no bugs and no issues. It feels great even though its encypted (by default), while all this time I was certain being un-unecrypted made the device any snappier; that was just a placebo I guess.
So yeah, you can go ahead and flash a custom ROM (or many of them!), but don't do it for improved performance. Stock performance is truly awesome, and while some ROMs make it better, for sure - it's not THAT better, not in any noticeable way. Do it for features, do it for fun, do it for curiosity, DO IT! But just know the simple truth that Stock Android 6 and definitely 7 are so good and bug-less, that there is no need to get customized to resolve any bugs or performance issues; there are none.
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Agree. I used to root and ROM the crap out of phones but with the 5X I've stayed stock. Yeah, I see more ads now and miss Viper4Android but I spend no time F-ing with the phone and all the time just using it. No gyrations to go though to install monthly security updates or trying to get banking apps to work with root (like Android pay). Try it stock for a while.

przemcio510 said:
If I were you, I wouldn't OC at all. Snapdragon 800 series likes to overheat and throttle itself, making it slower than usual.
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I was reading that thermal problem post, it does present an issue to me because when I ride a bike I usually have the phone on the handle in a rubber case exposed to the sun and the heat that can easily reach over 35°. Thanks for the heads up.
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But just know the simple truth that Stock Android 6 and definitely 7 are so good and bug-less, that there is no need to get customized to resolve any bugs or performance issues; there are none.
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I hear you, I have prolonged the life of my smartphones more than it should, by tweaking and using customs roms. I have had only 2 other SP in the spam of 6 years and had never had to be subject to a phone/data plan. I just ride the wifis signal or pay per use the 3g signal. Even-thought this LG is not a big inversion in itself, I hope I can squeeze several years of it and the old practice of using custom roms, seems kind of pointless or not worth the trouble considering as you say the stock is as good.
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Oh I will! there's so much I can do with it as it is, it seems.

Question Is it worth updating to 12

Still on android 11 unrooted
getting updates notifications while now but not updated
Is it worth doing it now and all issues etc resolved
backed up to Google so anything else to do if I update

Rule #1 - if your platform is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission... let it be!
Upgrades can and do break things.
Backup all critical data redundantly to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC.
Never encrypt data drives.
Never disk clone media files/folders.
Copy/paste then verify size and if readable.

Lol no. At least not OOS. Stick with OOS11 or I've personally tried derp and nameless and ran nameless until the a12 blob update.

Yes, I agree w/ the above posts from what I've encountered. I'm on Derpfest with Arter97 kernel and is very nice but ROM is a little outdated in the android world since it's an April update and not being updated going forward. But honestly I'm pretty good with the device besides no speed wireless warp charging and not being able to use my DAC.

NO.
OOS 12 is ****.

Yes.
You are you. Every person use what they like/need on the phone. So you may have/not have any of them problems.

12 has worked great for my usage since it's release! Cheers

galaxys said:
12 has worked great for my usage since it's release! Cheers
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That's on OP?
Even Pixel's have had reported issues with it.
My N10+'s will stay on 9 and 10... no issues.
The camera is more of a menace with Android 10, but that's a Samsung UI thing
Definitely don't want active scoped storage though. 12 seems too busy with nickel and dime permissions; not needed for trusted apps. If an app isn't trusted... it's not loaded; KISS.

blackhawk said:
That's on OP?
Even Pixel's have had reported issues with it.
My N10+'s will stay on 9 and 10... no issues.
The camera is more of a menace with Android 10, but that's a Samsung UI thing
Definitely don't want active scoped storage though. 12 seems too busy with nickel and dime permissions; not needed for trusted apps. If an app isn't trusted... it's not loaded; KISS.
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Yes, on my 0nePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro! Unlocked BL and Magisk loaded! Security is all over the map...

I wouldn't.
I'm still having silly issues that should have been fixed ages ago.
The app switcher UI freezes regularly.
The camera app glitches during video after a couple of minutes and the sound cuts out and video gets choppy.
Photos are often way over-exposed.
The "Always On" clock/display doesn't actually stay on.
I occasionally have issues with animation stuttering when scrolling and so on.
It was actually a pretty solid phone before I did the Android 12 update. I really should roll it back but I've just been lazy.

Weren't happy at all with OOS12. I used Derpfest and was happy with it, but as it's no longer maintained I needed something else.. Now on LineageOS 19.1 and I'm not searching for alternatives anymore, I'll probably use it until I switch phones. Battery isn't as good as on OOS11 (with custom kernel), but I manage a day without issues. You probably wouldn't if you're a phone gamer.

The 12 release for the 9 pro is poor. I only upgraded as it was a required step for my chosen ROM installation.

efex said:
Weren't happy at all with OOS12. I used Derpfest and was happy with it, but as it's no longer maintained I needed something else.. Now on LineageOS 19.1 and I'm not searching for alternatives anymore, I'll probably use it until I switch phones. Battery isn't as good as on OOS11 (with custom kernel), but I manage a day without issues. You probably wouldn't if you're a phone gamer.
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hi...do you have any issues with phone calls and bluetooth???

Dr.Pagan said:
hi...do you have any issues with phone calls and bluetooth???
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Normal phone calls work fine, no issues. I only use BT to listen to music, have a connected smart watch and libre sensor (diabetes sensor), all work fine (better than with OOS even). I do not use BT to answer calls, so I don't know how well that works.

For my experience oos12 was a great upgrade over oos11. Phone feels more smooth and I do get better battery life for my usage. A big noticeable difference in stand by drain while sleeping.

Spectre Nine said:
I wouldn't.
I'm still having silly issues that should have been fixed ages ago.
The app switcher UI freezes regularly.
The camera app glitches during video after a couple of minutes and the sound cuts out and video gets choppy.
Photos are often way over-exposed.
The "Always On" clock/display doesn't actually stay on.
I occasionally have issues with animation stuttering when scrolling and so on.
It was actually a pretty solid phone before I did the Android 12 update. I really should roll it back but I've just been lazy.
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I keep seeing similar complaints to yours.
I would just roll it back. Android 13 is looking like it will be a complete fubar. Scoped storage is still an Apple nightmare. Malware is far easier to deal with than these "improvements"
I think that so far Android 9 is the zenith point for this platform; a good balance of functionality, usability and security. I have no issues with Pie on my stock N10+; fast, rock solid stable, reasonably secure and most importantly it's fulfilling its mission. It's a joy to use this device because it does what -I- want and it's very predictable. Predictability makes spotting malware much easier as well as basic troubleshooting. As such I spend very little time doing maintenance or troubleshooting. This load is over 2 yo now. That's what Android is capable of... or should be.
Find an OS version that works for you and adopt it for the life of the device

Still on Android 11 take it matter of choice to update or not
users still have issues with android 12?

if you go by that, people also have problems with oos 11 and not just with oos 12. I personally use oos12 and have no problems

ChrisFeiveel84 said:
if you go by that, people also have problems with oos 11 and not just with oos 12. I personally use oos12 and have no problems
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Both 11 and 12 are a scoped storage mess.
Android 10 was the last version where scoped storage wasn't fully active by default.
Expect the potential need for a factory reset if you upgrade to 12. You may need to change settings and find other workarounds to get it running right.
Meet the green dot.

I did it, upgraded to OOS12 and I must admit there were some things I liked better battery life. But there were changes that I really really did not like.
I needed to fall back on Nova Launcher to get some of the visuals back and vibe back.
A couple of days ago I decided to put cRdoid A12 on it. I miss some options from OOS but overall I'm happier now.