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I got a brand new Galaxy S3 on Monday. Coming from an Inspire 4g and an HD2 before that, I'm not new to flashing ROMs or anything. I rooted that phone almost instantly, because it was a refurbished phone and didn't have a warranty. Now on this one, I'm a bit hesitant to root or flash any custom ROMs.
I've also read a bit about stock vs AOSP ROMs... can any one give me an example of each? Preferably a stable, JB based ROM? I would like to use a stock based ROM so I can have all my apps and settings back when I flash. This stock ROM is eating up battery life rather quickly so I want something quick, stable, and visually pleasing without any bloatware.
I am aware that I can just return my phone to the store within 14 days if it doesn't work... an employee told me they don't even look to see if it's rooted or has a custom ROM.
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I got a brand new Galaxy S3 on Monday. Coming from an Inspire 4g and an HD2 before that, I'm not new to flashing ROMs or anything. I rooted that phone almost instantly, because it was a refurbished phone and didn't have a warranty. Now on this one, I'm a bit hesitant to root or flash any custom ROMs.
I've also read a bit about stock vs AOSP ROMs... can any one give me an example of each? Preferably a stable, JB based ROM? I would like to use a stock based ROM so I can have all my apps and settings back when I flash. This stock ROM is eating up battery life rather quickly so I want something quick, stable, and visually pleasing without any bloatware.
I am aware that I can just return my phone to the store within 14 days if it doesn't work... an employee told me they don't even look to see if it's rooted or has a custom ROM.
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I think it is worth it. Look through the S3 forums and you'll find various options for ROMs that meet your needs. I'm running Serenity v1.1 which is a JB GNote2 port. It is stable and works well for me.
I would also read MrRobinsons stickied post about Rooting. Towards the bottom of the OP there is a tool mentioned that he made that will help you de-bloat. It works wonderfully. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
I noticed it says the ATT one is " New Image Based off ATT I747UCALG1"
I have the newest software, would I be able to update after doing this? Or will that put me right back where I am now
I just put CM 10 over the stock ICE. Incredible difference. Go for it!
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It really depends on what kind of user you are. If you're a user that prefers stability and is not that much of a 'power user', then the risks might be troublesome for you. If you're the user that wants adventure and doesn't mind fixing bugs every now and then, then give it a go. I'm a user that's in a middle of both - I like stability and I'm kind of a power user and I also enjoy fixing bugs because I learn something new and the experience of fixing bugs increases my knowledge of how my phone works. IMO, the most stable ROM I've used so far is CM10 - I'm currently using a nightly build and it works great so far - although it kinda has a few problems like some programs crashing unexpectedly and some phone functions not working properly. My advice is that you decide first what type of user you are and then evaluate the risks you're going to take - there's a high chance that you might brick your phone even if you've rooted a phone before as there are different specs for every phoen and one mistake could cause a serious trouble.
SGS3 aokp jb, d2att 3.9.12 by task 650+ktoonsez kt747 kernel
Rooting is easy on this phone, use galaxys3root.com for figuring out rooting and here's a link to aokp jelly bean 4.1.2 by task650 and ktoonsez it is by far in my opinion the best ROM out for the att variant right now its very light and very fast with more customods then you can imagine! Just get rooted install latest cmw recovery I reccomend the touch version and read all of task650's steps for flashing and I guarantee you will be pleased rooting this phone is definitely worth it just wait til you try it with it over clocked to 2100megahertz it crazy fast! I phone ain't got jack on this!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766684
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Rooting is easy on this phone, use galaxys3root.com for figuring out rooting and here's a link to aokp jelly bean 4.1.2 by task650 and ktoonsez it is by far in my opinion the best ROM out for the att variant right now its very light and very fast with more customods then you can imagine! Just get rooted install latest cmw recovery I reccomend the touch version and read all of task650's steps for flashing and I guarantee you will be pleased rooting this phone is definitely worth it just wait til you try it with it over clocked to 2100megahertz it crazy fast! I phone ain't got jack on this!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766684
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In my opinion, I would prefer this guide first before that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
That guide shows information that's what you're probably going to need if you don't want your phone to get out of warranty and if you want your phone's radio functioning properly. I followed that guide step-by-step and thoroughly and so far, I've achieved the desired result which is not to trip the flash counter. Also, I would also suggest that you search through the forums for revised rooting guides before you root your S3.
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I got a brand new Galaxy S3 on Monday. Coming from an Inspire 4g and an HD2 before that, I'm not new to flashing ROMs or anything. I rooted that phone almost instantly, because it was a refurbished phone and didn't have a warranty. Now on this one, I'm a bit hesitant to root or flash any custom ROMs.
I've also read a bit about stock vs AOSP ROMs... can any one give me an example of each? Preferably a stable, JB based ROM? I would like to use a stock based ROM so I can have all my apps and settings back when I flash. This stock ROM is eating up battery life rather quickly so I want something quick, stable, and visually pleasing without any bloatware.
I am aware that I can just return my phone to the store within 14 days if it doesn't work... an employee told me they don't even look to see if it's rooted or has a custom ROM.
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Here's another thought.
I came from an HD2 which from day one, I was flashing roms and kernels like crazy. I became very good at customizing and finding what I liked. I even worked very closely and aided some of the more popular rom devs. I even designed or hacked out some of my own mods including a memory management system. BUT...I could never achieve with the amazing HD2 (ahead of it' time in many ways) what the Stock Rom ICS and my S3 has done out of the box.
I meant to go to CM10 or a custom rom of some sort, but the stock rom has been a DREAM of stability which I never achieved with the HD2. It's rooted and that allows me to customize features and have more choices for apps that require root etc. I fixed a few things, added Go Launcher EX which was a huge improvement and offers awesome features, tweaked etc., and this thing runs near perfect. It's plenty fast enough. My I747m has 2gb ram and I could write a book as to why I think the 2gb makes a world of potential difference depending on setup. Also, as usual, I have frozen quite a few stock apps with Titanium Backup and replaced them with my favorite apps. (eg Handcent SMS, Kaiten Email, Boat Browser) I miss some CM features that I used to have but I have great speed, fluidity, reliability and generous flexibility....so for now...I am not doing a custom rom. FOR ME personally, I need to stay with a stable rom because I just came from near 2 years of FIXING and tweaking and killing hours upon hours.
I would be happy with just rooting it, as long as I could remove bloatware!
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I would be happy with just rooting it, as long as I could remove bloatware!
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That's what I would do Synyster. It's great to explore, tweak, flash....etc., but if you want the best bang for the buck, best use of time, least amount of troubleshooting and testing.... imho...
- root and install custom CWM for easy flashing of updates/tweaks and for easy backup.
-buy/install Titanium Backup pro and either remove or safer....FREEZE bloatware.
There's a lot of cool things with the AOSP roms. However, I'm at the point where I've become OCD with flashing nightlies. The more I flash ROMs the more nit picky I have been. I'm looking to go back to stock firmware, debloat, root, and CWM. I think that'll be good enough for stability IMO...
I'd say so!
Dear person reading this,
I've recently received an S4 mini, specifically the I9195 and I immediately got annoyed by the stock firmware. The sounds, the look, you probably know it. Since I've been using CM11 on my I9001 for a nice while I was wondering what the status of CM11 on this phone is like?
On the CM website I've seen there are no stable releases yet, so are the nightlies useable on a day-to-day basis? In other words, would you recommend flashing CM11? Are there any features which won't work?
As for the process of flashing itself, I've found this thread which seems to provide a nice overview, so I'm guessing that shouldn't pose any problems.
My apologies if this thread is a bit noobish, I've been reading around a bit but couldn't really find a nice up-to-date overview
Thanks and regards,
Marshian
If you use your S4 mini for anything serious, CM11 is still way too full of bugs. That's gonna change sooner or later, but for now I'd let CM11 wait unless you just use your S4 mini as a toy.
Check the opening post of this thread for a (long) list of bugs in S4 CM11: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2558702
Until CM11 is done squashing bugs, the best ROM for S4 mini is a rooted stock ROM, debloated by freezing/removing all the junk that Samsung slapped on, and modded with Xposed.
For a list of what you can freeze/remove (with an explanation of what you freeze/remove): http://android.site666.info/indexapks.htm
Essential (imo) Xposed modules for S4: Downloads2SD, Pictures2SD, Wanam Xposed, XPrivacy, and XVolume.
If you have a KitKat (stock) ROM you'll need HandleExternalStorage too.
Essential app to get rid of annoying sounds: Ultimate Sound Control.
I'm using CM11 on my GT-I9195 and its the only phone I have. The bugs don't hinder everyday use (WhatsApp, chrome, phone calls, SMS) generally except for the odd nightly that causes bootloops or FCs. You can avoid that by waiting for someone to post in the discussion thread whether the latest nightly is bootable or causes any FCs.
As for flashing CM11, the guide you linked is good if you don't care for the warranty. Since you bought your phone recently its likely to have the KNOX flag which signifies whether the phone has been custom-flashed before and I'm most countries this KNOX flag, if tripped, will render your warranty void.
To check if you are on KNOX boot loader, boot into Download mode and see if there is any mention of KNOX.
If there is, there is a guide on how to not trip the KNOX flag while rooting.
IMHO any of KitKat's custom ROM is not mature enough. Still many things to implement for the developers, regardless of being stable or not. Though if better OS resource management is what you after than KitKat is unbeatable. After all, it was Google's intention.
However, any of the JB custom ROM variant are relatively stable and mature, despite some still has the 'beta' tag.
As for TouchWiz ROM, there's a limit to what you can do in terms of optimizing/de-bloat. Unless it a heavily modded TW based ROM. That my experience coming from S3.
TNCS said:
IMHO any of KitKat's custom ROM is not mature enough. Still many things to implement for the developers, regardless of being stable or not. Though if better OS resource management is what you after than KitKat is unbeatable. After all, it was Google's intention.
However, any of the JB custom ROM variant are relatively stable and mature, despite some still has the 'beta' tag.
As for TouchWiz ROM, there's a limit to what you can do in terms of optimizing/de-bloat. Unless it a heavily modded TW based ROM. That my experience coming from S3.
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Thanks for your input! (This also applies to everyone else who replied )
In terms of warranty, I don't have any anyway. Though it's a brand new phone, I got it as a prize from a competition so there's no way for me to go back to the store and prove I bought it there. Therefore, I don't mind triggering the KNOX-flag.
For now I'll stay away from CM11 then (though it runs really nicely on my S+), but would it be a better idea to mod the stock ROM until it stops sucking or flash CM10.2 (or another version?) on there? It looks like the bug-list for CM10.2 is quite small. Do you know of any features missing there?
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Thanks for your input! (This also applies to everyone else who replied )
In terms of warranty, I don't have any anyway. Though it's a brand new phone, I got it as a prize from a competition so there's no way for me to go back to the store and prove I bought it there. Therefore, I don't mind triggering the KNOX-flag.
For now I'll stay away from CM11 then (though it runs really nicely on my S+), but would it be a better idea to mod the stock ROM until it stops sucking or flash CM10.2 (or another version?) on there? It looks like the bug-list for CM10.2 is quite small. Do you know of any features missing there?
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I would recommend any custom ROM based on JB. There's no feature missing as I'm aware of. Personally I'm on SlimJB which I've modified a bit myself. KitKat simplay requires time to mature. Even at AOSP the swtich from davilk requires time. Just my two cents.
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For now I'll stay away from CM11 then (though it runs really nicely on my S+), but would it be a better idea to mod the stock ROM until it stops sucking or flash CM10.2 (or another version?) on there?
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I am very happy sticking with the last stable 10.2. It is reliable, quick, and battery drain is minimal (I use Gravity Screen Pro but the main power savings come from using Cyanogens advanced wifi settings).
You can always backup everything and try out a CM11.
xbin said:
I am very happy sticking with the last stable 10.2. It is reliable, quick, and battery drain is minimal (I use Gravity Screen Pro but the main power savings come from using Cyanogens advanced wifi settings).
You can always backup everything and try out a CM11.
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I'll be going with the same solution once my microSIM and new microSD arrive, thanks!
just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...
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just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...
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I don't own tab but personally I think lollipop is a failed OS. Too bad for battery life although overall performance is better.
Back to kitkat N9005 Tweaked3.95 + LK3.17
My T800 ran for 260 days on kitkat without needing to be rebooted or tuned off even once now that is stability and i used it every day, when i did turn it off it was just to recalibrate the battery.
Too many reported problems with lollipop from less battery life, to lines on the screen, touchscreen problem, flash led problems, too much white in the stock apps and setting menu, stupid on an oled display.
I rooted my T800 and fixed the microsd problem, added AC3 support to the stock video player so why do i need kitkat, not saying i will not upgrade in the future to android m.
John.
I'm in the process of downgrade right now!
Ye i just flashed lollipop rom yesterday and now im rolling back to kk, i dont know if samsung is just trolling or what. you get a tiny status bar & notif panel then a blown up recent app manager, wtf? Plus no official xposed, and everything is just white & sky blue :/
A lot of people on SamMobile are saying that lollipop is a wasted update as it offers nothing new, and introduces a load of problems, also they are not happy at the way Samsung releases the updates.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/16/samsungs-software-update-policy-is-seriously-messed-up/
John.
For now, I believe they'll keep releasing 5.0 for older devices, and 5.1 for new ones.
Older models will always be one step behind, it's called marketing and forcing "impatient customers" to upgrade their device.
Although I notice these T700 and T800 5.0 versions keep getting patched with new updates and more stability, I believe we'll only get 5.1 when Android M is released for newer devices.
Then after 1, 2, or 3 years from release date and depending on each device, they are forgotten by the manufacturer and software updates are stopped, hoping you'll buy again a newer model, regardless of your device purchase date and condition.
And this in a way, explains why the XDA community is strong.
I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.
Yeah, I choked on the lollipop, but i loved the chocolaty goodness of kitkat, stay on kitkat and don't be a sucker.
John.
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I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.
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In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.
When you say performance are you talking about gaming? , if so a lot of people don't game or only use simple games that don't require a great deal of system performance.
I don't game, and i have not seen any laginess on kitkat, i had it running 260 days without any problems i did not reset or shut-down a single time.
John.
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In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.
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With LP you do need to reboot now and then due to ram leak problem.
Let's say LP is faster than KK at the beginning and after a few days it crawls due to ram leak, until you reboot and it's pristine again for the next days.
To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.
It`s great if you can tune lollipop the way you want, but most people cannot do this, and get stuck on a buggy stock rom until the next official update, which might never arrive, thank-you Samsung.
John.
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To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.
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Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.
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Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
John.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
John.
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Assuming you are asking about my Tab S experience, I used the guide in this forum to root without tripping Knox. I had to downgrade to stock Kitkat then root then upgrade to stock Lollipop. As soon as you downgrade using Odin you must do a factory reset in stock recovery, so yes I reset and always after the firmware change. In fact I've done the whole process several times as I've tried theming and every time I changed framework-res.apk it borked the UI and I need to do the whole process again.
At this time I've sworn off changing framework-res.apk. It is not a total write off as Flashfire back ups recover everything like a nadroid backup. Its weakness is that if you cannot start the app you can not do a restore. All that due to not wanting to loose my warranty on a two month old device so cannot flash a custom recovery like TWRP.
I did successfully flash from Lollipop B0E2 to B0E3 (boot, recover, system images) using Flashfire. That upgrade did not require a factory reset. In fact my user data, apps, root (SuperSU) and settings remained intact. All I need to do was re-flash any SuperSU policies I had previously installed along with any apps I installed in /system such as Viper4Android.
Specifically the upgrade and resulting experience was almost identical to upgrading Lollipop on my Nexus devices (5.0 through to 5.1.1), which is very easy and never required a factory reset. Although I usually clear the cache/dalvik just to be safe.
Hi folks, I purchase a LG Nexux 5X and will arrive soon and was wondering where should I start modding it.
I have done several mods in other phones and on the gear 2 neo, so I know how to use odin and some adb functions.
I usually don't tamper with a new phone unless it is really slow or annoying me with some bug, but would like to know if there are some minor tweaks I can begin to tinker with that will enhance my overall experience with this phone.
Thanks in advance
Best Regards.
-Ich
Icharius said:
Hi folks, I purchase a LG Nexux 5X and will arrive soon and was wondering where should I start modding it.
I have done several mods in other phones and on the gear 2 neo, so I know how to use odin and some adb functions.
I usually don't tamper with a new phone unless it is really slow or annoying me with some bug, but would like to know if there are some minor tweaks I can begin to tinker with that will enhance my overall experience with this phone.
Thanks in advance
Best Regards.
-Ich
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Getting my Nexus 5X tomorrow but currently use a Nexus 5. With any Nexus you want to start off with setting up the Android SDK and all the Nexus drivers on your computer so if something does go south, you are ready to fix it with the factory images. The first thing I am going to do with mine is put Android N on it since I haven't had the chance to try it yet. Then root and most likely be happy with that for a while. Since Android N will probably be officially released soon, I'm sure that's when a lot of stuff will start happening around here. Hopefully Xposed will get updated to work with it. If so, that will be my setup. Stock, rooted and Xposed. That's basically what I have been running on my Nexus 5 for a while now. But if you want to try out custom ROMs, there are those too.
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Getting my Nexus 5X tomorrow but currently use a Nexus 5. With any Nexus you want to start off with setting up the Android SDK and all the Nexus drivers on your computer so if something does go south, you are ready to fix it with the factory images. The first thing I am going to do with mine is put Android N on it since I haven't had the chance to try it yet. Then root and most likely be happy with that for a while. Since Android N will probably be officially released soon, I'm sure that's when a lot of stuff will start happening around here. Hopefully Xposed will get updated to work with it. If so, that will be my setup. Stock, rooted and Xposed. That's basically what I have been running on my Nexus 5 for a while now. But if you want to try out custom ROMs, there are those too.
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Thanks for your reply. good advice to save the original rom image! I will probably root too, because I usually OC my phones hopefully that won't be so much a hassle.
If I were you, I wouldn't OC at all. Snapdragon 800 series likes to overheat and throttle itself, making it slower than usual.
Icharius said:
Hi folks, I purchase a LG Nexux 5X and will arrive soon and was wondering where should I start modding it.
I have done several mods in other phones and on the gear 2 neo, so I know how to use odin and some adb functions.
I usually don't tamper with a new phone unless it is really slow or annoying me with some bug, but would like to know if there are some minor tweaks I can begin to tinker with that will enhance my overall experience with this phone.
Thanks in advance
Best Regards.
-Ich
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I have the N5X for several months.
I previously had the N4, N5, and OnePlus One (still have it, wife uses it).
I used stock, I used to flash ROMs at least twice a week minimum (same on the other devices). Various ROMs, to test their performance, their tweaks, their perks, their battery life... you name it.
However, flashing ROMs and trying out various mods feels very much like living on the road with your backpack on, rather than staying at home and having a steady job. Because while flashing ROMs, you don't always re-install all the things you had (Even if you backup with Titanium Backup, as some things don't survive data restore very well). Last week I made the decision to go stock and stay stock (well, not really, I went stock Android N Preview 5, which will receive OTA to full Nugget in about a month).
I have to tell you... I don't quite feel any difference other than losing a feature or two. Speed is still great; snappiness is snappy, no bugs and no issues. It feels great even though its encypted (by default), while all this time I was certain being un-unecrypted made the device any snappier; that was just a placebo I guess.
So yeah, you can go ahead and flash a custom ROM (or many of them!), but don't do it for improved performance. Stock performance is truly awesome, and while some ROMs make it better, for sure - it's not THAT better, not in any noticeable way. Do it for features, do it for fun, do it for curiosity, DO IT! But just know the simple truth that Stock Android 6 and definitely 7 are so good and bug-less, that there is no need to get customized to resolve any bugs or performance issues; there are none.
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I have the N5X for several months.
I previously had the N4, N5, and OnePlus One (still have it, wife uses it).
I used stock, I used to flash ROMs at least twice a week minimum (same on the other devices). Various ROMs, to test their performance, their tweaks, their perks, their battery life... you name it.
However, flashing ROMs and trying out various mods feels very much like living on the road with your backpack on, rather than staying at home and having a steady job. Because while flashing ROMs, you don't always re-install all the things you had (Even if you backup with Titanium Backup, as some things don't survive data restore very well). Last week I made the decision to go stock and stay stock (well, not really, I went stock Android N Preview 5, which will receive OTA to full Nugget in about a month).
I have to tell you... I don't quite feel any difference other than losing a feature or two. Speed is still great; snappiness is snappy, no bugs and no issues. It feels great even though its encypted (by default), while all this time I was certain being un-unecrypted made the device any snappier; that was just a placebo I guess.
So yeah, you can go ahead and flash a custom ROM (or many of them!), but don't do it for improved performance. Stock performance is truly awesome, and while some ROMs make it better, for sure - it's not THAT better, not in any noticeable way. Do it for features, do it for fun, do it for curiosity, DO IT! But just know the simple truth that Stock Android 6 and definitely 7 are so good and bug-less, that there is no need to get customized to resolve any bugs or performance issues; there are none.
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Agree. I used to root and ROM the crap out of phones but with the 5X I've stayed stock. Yeah, I see more ads now and miss Viper4Android but I spend no time F-ing with the phone and all the time just using it. No gyrations to go though to install monthly security updates or trying to get banking apps to work with root (like Android pay). Try it stock for a while.
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If I were you, I wouldn't OC at all. Snapdragon 800 series likes to overheat and throttle itself, making it slower than usual.
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I was reading that thermal problem post, it does present an issue to me because when I ride a bike I usually have the phone on the handle in a rubber case exposed to the sun and the heat that can easily reach over 35°. Thanks for the heads up.
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But just know the simple truth that Stock Android 6 and definitely 7 are so good and bug-less, that there is no need to get customized to resolve any bugs or performance issues; there are none.
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I hear you, I have prolonged the life of my smartphones more than it should, by tweaking and using customs roms. I have had only 2 other SP in the spam of 6 years and had never had to be subject to a phone/data plan. I just ride the wifis signal or pay per use the 3g signal. Even-thought this LG is not a big inversion in itself, I hope I can squeeze several years of it and the old practice of using custom roms, seems kind of pointless or not worth the trouble considering as you say the stock is as good.
adobeman said:
Agree. . Try it stock for a while.
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Oh I will! there's so much I can do with it as it is, it seems.
yesterday i was checking if there was a firmware upgrade for my phone (SM-A325F) on samfw. well for other reasons. i saw an update for other regions that was unusual. Samsung had bumped the binary bit version from 2 to 3. Now this scared me. since if the fw arrives for all the regions it will make it undowngradable to one ui 3.1 or 4.1. since I am using gsi's (Generic System Images) which is currently crdroid 9.2. It may cause a problem if samsung breaks something with the update. Since i wont be able to downgrade to older firmwares. Twrp might also be a problem since i have seen threads on a12 that some twrp versions do not work for some binary bit versions. That scared me. Although i could get around this by using repacksuper but still. I have a custom kernel made by myself that i am daily driving. it will make it hard to install since i'll have to decompress and repack boot.img. Then disabling encryption... i am pretty sure gsi's wont boot with encryption enabled. I have no idea on how i' disable it. without twrp. there might be ways i'd have to do research.
I might just be overthinking. but yes. i'll have to test when it comes out for my region. I am also waiting for one ui 5.1 which may also have bumped binary bit version.
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Rule #1 - if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!
Upgrades and updates can and do break Samsung's. It can easily turn into a time devouring hurt locker tour if it damages, alters or destroys features or functionalities you are using and depending on.
Doing nothing breaks nothing...
blackhawk said:
Rule #1 - if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!
Upgrades and updates can and do break Samsung's. It can easily turn into a time devouring hurt locker tour if it damages, alters or destroys features or functionalities you are using and depending on.
Doing nothing breaks nothing...
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Exactly
blackhawk said:
Rule #1 - if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!
Upgrades and updates can and do break Samsung's. It can easily turn into a time devouring hurt locker tour if it damages, alters or destroys features or functionalities you are using and depending on.
Doing nothing breaks nothing...
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thats true. but i have been facing weird issues with android 13 firmware's vendor. thats why i wanted to upgrade. I wont for now. It also seems a bit slow to me. unlike other people saying that running generic system images on their vendor works fine and smooth. while its laggy for me.
Captain_cookie_200 said:
thats true. but i have been facing weird issues with android 13 firmware's vendor. thats why i wanted to upgrade. I wont for now. It also seems a bit slow to me. unlike other people saying that running generic system images on their vendor works fine and smooth. while its laggy for me.
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such as 60Hz bug happening on most new gsi's where it wouls refuse to switch to 90Hz. Only with A13 vendor. A11 vendor works fine.
Captain_cookie_200 said:
thats true. but i have been facing weird issues with android 13 firmware's vendor. thats why i wanted to upgrade. I wont for now. It also seems a bit slow to me. unlike other people saying that running generic system images on their vendor works fine and smooth. while its laggy for me.
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Between a rock and a hard place... Google punches these systems out too fast. Problems are a given. Best to stick with one version, find fixes, work arounds and be happy. Otherwise you'll constantly be mucking with it.
I'm still running 9 and 10 on my stock N10+'s. No way I'm upgrading. I prefer Pie though. Current load on this N10+ will be 3yo in June, still running fast and stable. Zero security issues in that time.
Scoped storage... No. It wasn't needed; it just causes headaches and unwarranted complexity.
Gookill invariably makes a mess out of anything they do (or kill it) eventually; it's their nature.
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Between a rock and a hard place... Google punches these systems out too fast. Problems are a given. Best to stick with one version, find fixes, work arounds and be happy. Otherwise you'll constantly be mucking with it.
I'm still running 9 and 10 on my stock N10+'s. No way I'm upgrading. I prefer Pie though. Current load on this N10+ will be 3yo in June, still running fast and stable. Zero security issues in that time.
Scoped storage... No. It wasn't needed; it just causes headaches and unwarranted complexity.
Gookill invariably makes a mess out of anything they do (or kill it) eventually; it's their nature.
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these bugs i face are expected since these are not device specific roms. but fix is always possible. One ui itself for this phone is kind of terrible otherwise i wouldnt have tampered with gsi's to start with
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these bugs i face are expected since these are not device specific roms. but fix is always possible. One ui itself for this phone is kind of terrible otherwise i wouldnt have tampered with gsi's to start with
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Ive gotten excellent mileage from One UI once the device was optimized. Before it was optimized it was a mess. However Samsung firmware can vary widely from model to model, region, hardware and so on. That makes things more difficult and unpredictable.
Until you get on top on it Samsung is a pain. One reason I refuse to upgrade hardware, firmware or software is this device is running pretty clean, fulfilling its mission, requiring very little maintenance and it's fun to use.
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Ive gotten excellent mileage from One UI once the device was optimized. Before it was optimized it was a mess. However Samsung firmware can vary widely from model to model, region, hardware and so on. That makes things more difficult and unpredictable.
Until you get on top on it Samsung is a pain. One reason I refuse to upgrade hardware, firmware or software is this device is running pretty clean, fulfilling its mission, requiring very little maintenance and it's fun to use.
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welp for me its the opposite here. one ui is absolutely laggy with its terrible restricted animations for Mid range phones. Then it lags while doing normal tasks. i have found gsi's to be more smoother than one ui. I hate firmware upgrades too. but since this shet is weird and has litt unkown bugs no one has ever seen before upgrading to a newer fw is my only option. Otherwise i'd be stuck on one ui with terrible optimizations for this phone. My friends own the same Galaxy A32 4G and i have seen one ui lag on their phones. it is terrible.
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welp for me its the opposite here. one ui is absolutely laggy with its terrible restricted animations for Mid range phones. Then it lags while doing normal tasks. i have found gsi's to be more smoother than one ui. I hate firmware upgrades too. but since this shet is weird and has litt unkown bugs no one has ever seen before upgrading to a newer fw is my only option. Otherwise i'd be stuck on one ui with terrible optimizations for this phone. My friends own the same Galaxy A32 4G and i have seen one ui lag on their phones. it is terrible.
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Hard to say why that is without playing with it.
One UI should be fast, stable and use very little battery. If you saw this N10+ out of the box though it could be described as what you are seeing. It was a handful at first. Literally getting less then half the SOT it gets now. The lagging generally is caused by junk running in the background, that was noticeably slowing down this phone. Using up possessor and modem bandwidth. Quit the terror
I eventually got it optimized using with Package Disabler, settings and a few 3rd party apps. It's a completely different experience from that hog mess it first was.
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Hard to say why that is without playing with it.
One UI should be fast, stable and use very little battery. If you saw this N10+ out of the box though it could be described as what you are seeing. It was a handful at first. Literally getting less then half the SOT it gets now. The lagging generally is caused by junk running in the background, that was noticeably slowing down this phone. Using up possessor and modem bandwidth. Quit the terror
I eventually got it optimized using with Package Disabler, settings and a few 3rd party apps. It's a completely different experience from that hog mess it first was.
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using floating.xml tweaks i made my one ui installation some what usable. also note... (haha note..) your note 10+ is an older flagship phone. while the galaxy A32 is a mid ranger that samsung pays less attention to. Thus we are hit with such bugs and terrible optimizations disabled features till to this day. obv samsung rigs the one ui experience on these phones on purpose. otherwise they'll be "too good". even using alot of tweaks and mod doesnt help improve it much. trust me i tried daily driving one ui with floating tweaks and others..
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using floating.xml tweaks i made my one ui installation some what usable. also note... (haha note..) your note 10+ is an older flagship phone. while the galaxy A32 is a mid ranger that samsung pays less attention to. Thus we are hit with such bugs and terrible optimizations disabled features till to this day. obv samsung rigs the one ui experience on these phones on purpose. otherwise they'll be "too good". even using alot of tweaks and mod doesnt help improve it much. trust me i tried daily driving one ui with floating tweaks and others..
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Likely true. The older N10+ is likely a better choice than the newer midrange Samsung's due mostly to hardware but maybe firmware too. The newer Samsung flagships haven't turned out all that well either. The variable refresh rate displays are causing a lot of troubles across the board. Scoped storage is another CPU cycle sucking issue on Android 11 and higher.
5G can add to the problem; if in use it can use a lot of resources.
Rather than squander money on their Fold technology Samsung maybe should have thrown the money at it's midrange phones...
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Hard to say why that is without playing with it.
One UI should be fast, stable and use very little battery. If you saw this N10+ out of the box though it could be described as what you are seeing. It was a handful at first. Literally getting less then half the SOT it gets now. The lagging generally is caused by junk running in the background, that was noticeably slowing down this phone. Using up possessor and modem bandwidth. Quit the terror
I eventually got it optimized using with Package Disabler, settings and a few 3rd party apps. It's a completely different experience from that hog mess it first was.
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Got a list?
blackhawk said:
Likely true. The older N10+ is likely a better choice than the newer midrange Samsung's due mostly to hardware but maybe firmware too. The newer Samsung flagships haven't turned out all that well either. The variable refresh rate displays are causing a lot of troubles across the board. Scoped storage is another CPU cycle sucking issue on Android 11 and higher.
5G can add to the problem; if in use it can use a lot of resources.
Rather than squander money on their Fold technology Samsung maybe should have thrown the money at it's midrange phones...
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this is exactly why i am never getting a samsung again. especially midrangers. they are wful. idk why samsung even bothers to make phones if they cant maintain it properly. Yet mor phones are being added to A series line up day by day.
Like a software update literally bricked my fingerprint on display. looking at the logs. my keystore is gone and using no matter what firmware it wont come back. great samsung. the last great thing abt this phone for me is gone now.
Yet i remember how upgrading to one ui 4.1 from 3.1 caused an issue where my ril would restart when using data. It would happen randomly. One ui 5 fixed this later on but wow samsung...
i had to resort to gsi's to get a working phone again since one ui 3.1 was slow af.
samsung has basically fuked me in every single way. and now i am just stuck with this thing for 4-5 years.
so to fix such annoying bugs that still exist. i my have to do the update... Yes ik it may cause my ability of downgrading to go away but still.. atleast i may get a better experience hopefully. otherwise welp ig i'll be stuck on one ui again. sucks to be me.
Captain_cookie_200 said:
this is exactly why i am never getting a samsung again. especially midrangers. they are wful. idk why samsung even bothers to make phones if they cant maintain it properly. Yet mor phones are being added to A series line up day by day.
Like a software update literally bricked my fingerprint on display. looking at the logs. my keystore is gone and using no matter what firmware it wont come back. great samsung. the last great thing abt this phone for me is gone now.
Yet i remember how upgrading to one ui 4.1 from 3.1 caused an issue where my ril would restart when using data. It would happen randomly. One ui 5 fixed this later on but wow samsung...
i had to resort to gsi's to get a working phone again since one ui 3.1 was slow af.
samsung has basically fuked me in every single way. and now i am just stuck with this thing for 4-5 years.
so to fix such annoying bugs that still exist. i my have to do the update... Yes ik it may cause my ability of downgrading to go away but still.. atleast i may get a better experience hopefully. otherwise welp ig i'll be stuck on one ui again. sucks to be me.
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The N10+ Snap is still a good choice if you don't need to root if you can get one running on 9 or 10. The Exynos variant can be rooted but the hardware isn't as good. The spen is very useful.
I learned the hard way with my S4+ that it's a big mistake to upgrade/update the firmware especially on carrier phones. Haven't repeated that mistake.
I don't blame you for being irate about Samsung. They are a mess. The N10+ is the only Samsung I would consider getting even now.
I think this is getting off-topic.
Arealhooman said:
I think this is getting off-topic.
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yeah it is. main purpose of my thread was if twrp breaks due to diff version of bootloader. because i wont be able to downgrade once i upgrade. I could patch my stock recovery for fadtbootd but i would still love to have twrp.
An update. so i built a kernel for this thing using source samsung released with the bumped bit version. flashed it on an older bit 2 firmware. it works fine and i am daily driving it now. i thought it wouldnt boot. but it does.
So looks like the update i previously refered to had SB3 boot loader. i saw it for nepal. while i just saw one ui 5.1 drop for this phone with the U3 boot loader. i am upgrading and i'll tell wether the twrp and other stuff works. If not i'll report any workarounds i used.