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Do i have a touchscreen problem?

After returning my previous nexus 7 because of a dead pixel, I'm happy to confirm my new new nexus 7 is working perfectly! No GPS problems, no dead pixels, no super weird touchscreen problems.
But here's a thing I'm uncertain about. I can confirm this happened on both JSSR66N and JSS15R. Although I don't have phantom touches, and my screen supports 10 finger multi touch, there's a little bit of interference when using two fingers: when I hold one finger steady and slowly move another finger so that one of the axles is aligned, the screen registers movement in that same axle on the non moving finger as well. Usually It jumps about 10 pixels.
This results in unsmooth aiming when playing fps games, or other 2-thumb games. It's not game breaking or anything, its just noticeable.
I was wondering if this is normal for capacitive touchscreens, if its just a software bug, or maybe it is indeed a hardware issue in MY tablet, in which case it can be returned, since I'm on day 3 of my 14 day return period.

It isn't normal for touchscreens in general.
However on the Nexus 7 2013, many units will exhibit this behavior. If you don't have any other issues, I wouldn't return it for what you are describing. There are far worse issues you might encounter.

This behaviour is pretty normal for touchscreen when crossing axis with two fingers.
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Your answers seem a bit contradicting. Could one elaborate?

The nexus 7 just has a batch of issues. That is not normal, try it out on a different device like a Nexus 4, HTC One or any other device that doesn't have a crop of issues.
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You are not talking much about this in the forum, i don't know if people don't realise about it or just don't have it but there's a big issue with the grounding of many devices. In a Spanish forum we have a big post open about it, one is back from asus and mine is going tomorrow. Mine works well, not perfect, in my hands but over a table works bad, it changes a lot. I guess it works as the creator from the thread says.

I haven't seen a capacitive touch screen that doesn't have this issue to some extend. The touch screen uses a line grid to sense capacitance; so if you have two fingers at the same line-pair, they will influence each others capacitance reading.
My N7 touchscreen definitely works better than my Galaxy i9000 one.

Multitouch in my 2 years old and much more used samsung galaxy s2 works much much much better than the n7. One and multi as far as the s2 can go

tni.andro said:
I haven't seen a capacitive touch screen that doesn't have this issue to some extend. The touch screen uses a line grid to sense capacitance; so if you have two fingers at the same line-pair, they will influence each others capacitance reading.
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It is the job of the DSP to filter out noise and produce smooth data.
There is absolutely no jitter on my GS2.
Apple iPhone 5 also has no jitter.
Therefore I make the claim that the jitter is not "normal" for touchscreens in general, but for the N7 2013, many units exhibit this behavior, so it isn't worth trying to get a new one, because there are worse things than minor jitter.

sfhub said:
It is the job of the DSP to filter out noise and produce smooth data.
There is absolutely no jitter on my GS2.
Apple iPhone 5 also has no jitter.
Therefore I make the claim that the jitter is not "normal" for touchscreens in general, but for the N7 2013, many units exhibit this behavior, so it isn't worth trying to get a new one, because there are worse things than minor jitter.
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So you are saying, if you take something like 'Yet Another MultiTouch Test' that displays coordinates and a cross; put one finger on the screen and then cross the displayed lines with a second finger that the first pos doesn't move at all?
As long as I don't cross those lines there is no movement/jitter for the first finger.

tni.andro said:
So you are saying, if you take something like 'Yet Another MultiTouch Test' that displays coordinates and a cross; put one finger on the screen and then cross the displayed lines with a second finger that the first pos doesn't move at all?
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On 9 out of 10 Nexus 7 2013 I tried there is movement. On my GS2 there is no movement, nor was there movement on the iPhone 5.
I don't need to use YAMTT, the jitter is immediately apparent when doing rotations in Google Maps. The axis cross when rotating clockwise, counterclockwise.

sfhub said:
On 9 out of 10 Nexus 7 2013 I tried there is movement. On my GS2 there is no movement, nor was there movement on the iPhone 5.
I don't need to use YAMTT, the jitter is immediately apparent when doing rotations in Google Maps. The axis cross when rotating clockwise, counterclockwise.
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sfhub said:
I don't need to use YAMTT, the jitter is immediately apparent when doing rotations in Google Maps. The axis cross when rotating clockwise, counterclockwise.
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That's not a challenging test - my N7 has no problem with that. But maybe, I have have one of the better ones...

tni.andro said:
That's not a challenging test - my N7 has no problem with that. But maybe, I have have one of the better ones...
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You are welcome to your opinion.
It is very challenging for 9 of 10 N7 2013 I tested. I have never seen jitter in YAMTT that was not also reflected in Google Maps.
On N7 I turn on developer options show touches and show pointer location which is actually more direct than YAMTT because it is at the OS level.
I have run YAMTT on three units, but the reason I don't run YAMTT on all units is because some of the units I test do not have access to Internet to download it, while developer options and Google Maps are on every unit.
Just to satisfy you, I installed YAMTT on my GS2 and it is rock solid with
2 finger overlap, pinch-zoom
one finger static, the other sliding to overlap
two finger rotating and overlapping clockwise, counterclockwise
two finger overlap sliding down the screen
It is a shame that folks have gotten so used to buggy touchscreens that they are convincing themselves it is normal.
I know people who think jumpy Google maps is normal because they think it is downloading data. When they see maps on my phone, they are amazed how smooth it is on 2.5yr old technology.

I can just agree with sfhub, many people just agree with the problem an see it normal as some people said in this and other posts related. Your money doesn't have problems, why would you accept a faulty device? It's not just my GS2, even the touch screen of my galaxty 3 (low end from samsung) performs better than this, less points but all are still working today and that's a 4 years old 2.2 froyo (back up phonein case of xtreme necesity).

conclusion
So, in conclusion, the touchscreen's behaviour is not normal for touchscreens in general, but it is very common among nexus 7's.

Arthedes said:
So, in conclusion, the touchscreen's behaviour is not normal for touchscreens in general, but it is very common among nexus 7's.
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From my experience experimenting with many units, that is accurate.
If your jitter progressed to ghost taps, stuck taps, spasdic multi-touch, dead spots/bands, then I'd start to worry.
Minor jitter, don't worry about it.

There are 2 separate issues. Jitter issue, which is not OK and should not happen. However a slight shift in position when using 2 fingers, one static and the other crossing the same axis, the static finger always has a slight shift. That is normal for many touch screens.
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[Q] M8 Touchscreen Latency

Hi Guys,
Recently reverted back to Android from iOS. I have had low end and mid range Android devices for development purposes as well as a Windows Phone devices all the way through.
Since taking up the HTC M8 as my day to day device, I have been noticing issues (teeth grindingly frustrating issues) regarding touch screen accuracy and responsiveness.
A prime example of this is when using a browser (Any browser, on both GPE and Sense editions). When making a pinch to zoom gestures, my fingers can move almost half an inch apart before the actual zoom process begins. I have tested this on a Samsung GS4 and found this not to be the case on that device. I believe the root cause of this problem is also behind the poor accuracy when typing on *any* keyboard (i find myself re-writing words again and again despite the larger screen size, you'd expect larger on screen keys would equal less frequent miss stokes...). Again this is not the case on the GS4.
I have used a multitouch testing tool to gauge some measure of response time and touch latency. I have found when moving points at any rate of velocity they begin to lag quite substantially behind my finger. I don't know if this is part of the same problem.
I am wondering if anyone could shed light on whether this is an issue with display touch sensitivity settings, something which could be changed at the kernel level or a limitation with the hardware itself,
Is it also possible that the same algorithm used to detect and handle touch for devices with smaller screen real estate is still being used and that the distances and tolerances for touch and gesture recognition are acting proportionally to the screen size.
Hopefully this is something we can fix, it makes the device tiresome to type with and feel clunky and unresponsive.

The screen on this phone has a higher touch response then the iPhone
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Go in a store and check out another phone. If yours turns out to be defective (which should be the case), you should get it replaced
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No issues with mine.it's better than iPhone5s I had. Which had some issues sensing touch on corners of display
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sabianadmin said:
Hi Guys,
Recently reverted back to Android from iOS. I have had low end and mid range Android devices for development purposes as well as a Windows Phone devices all the way through.
Since taking up the HTC M8 as my day to day device, I have been noticing issues (teeth grindingly frustrating issues) regarding touch screen accuracy and responsiveness.
A prime example of this is when using a browser (Any browser, on both GPE and Sense editions). When making a pinch to zoom gestures, my fingers can move almost half an inch apart before the actual zoom process begins. I have tested this on a Samsung GS4 and found this not to be the case on that device. I believe the root cause of this problem is also behind the poor accuracy when typing on *any* keyboard (i find myself re-writing words again and again despite the larger screen size, you'd expect larger on screen keys would equal less frequent miss stokes...). Again this is not the case on the GS4.
I have used a multitouch testing tool to gauge some measure of response time and touch latency. I have found when moving points at any rate of velocity they begin to lag quite substantially behind my finger. I don't know if this is part of the same problem.
I am wondering if anyone could shed light on whether this is an issue with display touch sensitivity settings, something which could be changed at the kernel level or a limitation with the hardware itself,
Is it also possible that the same algorithm used to detect to handle touch for devices with smaller screen real estate is still being used and that the distances and tolerances for touch and gesture recognition are acting proportionally to the screen size.
Hopefully this is something we can fix, it makes the device tiresome to type with and feel clunky and unresponsive.
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If you have just moved from the iPhone, then this is a slight orientation problem ... and actually the M8 is the nearest you can get in terms of responsiveness to an iPhone, thanks to the fastest screen response time on the market ... for keyboard, you need to deliberately slow your finger speed down for few days and then you get used to it ... Screen/phone size also play a part in your typing because your mind can remember sub-consciously how much finger movement to do for typing ..
All the above is assuming you were an avid typist for long time on an iPhone

v-b-n said:
If you have just moved from the iPhone, then this is a slight orientation problem ... and actually the M8 is the nearest you can get in terms of responsiveness to an iPhone, thanks to the fastest screen response time on the market ... for keyboard, you need to deliberately slow your finger speed down for few days and then you get used to it ... Screen/phone size also play a part in your typing because your mind can remember sub-consciously how much finger movement to do for typing ..
All the above is assuming you were an avid typist for long time on an iPhone
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Thanks for all the replies, it is likely that its a transitional issue alright. But before i write it off as such, can anyone verify the issues regarding pinch to zoom? Just trying to figure out if it is a faulty device i have on my hands or not

I get the exactly the same issues. I really thought it was me .
However I had the HTC One M7 and had no issue whatsoever.
LG G2 also same no issues .But since getting
HTC One M8, the touch accuracy is well absolutely useless. I am forever correcting what I type.
I don't think its the hardware but something to do with the Algorithm..No matter what keyboard you use or calibration you do. doesn't make any difference
I am hoping that lollipop cures this problem..

My touch accuracy has always been great. I'd say that if yours isn't it's a hardware problem.

Lostatsea23 said:
The screen on this phone has a higher touch response then the iPhone
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I tried the m8 and iphone 6 instore and compared them. The m8 screen is very sensitive, requiring minimal touch to be activated. This may be why tests are showing that the m8 has a faster touch response. However, when dragging your finger along the screen, such as swiping launcher screens, the iphone is more responsive.
I then tested "show touches" on the m8, the touch lags behind my finger.

One-Handed Operation

I have a Pixel 2XL on the way and I'm super excited. One question I have is:
How is this phone one-handed?
It's a tad wider than the new flagships from Samsung, HTC, etc. and I'm wondering if it's going to be a struggle when I simply can't spare another hand and have to take care of something like responding to a text or playing music. My Note5 is about the same width and I've had occasional difficulties. Fortunately, a triple tap of the home button would shrink the screen down to the corner so I could access everything, and I may have to install an app that does this very thing on the Pixel.

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I have a Pixel 2XL on the way and I'm super excited. One question I have is:
How is this phone one-handed?
It's a tad wider than the new flagships from Samsung, HTC, etc. and I'm wondering if it's going to be a struggle when I simply can't spare another hand and have to take care of something like responding to a text or playing music. My Note5 is about the same width and I've had occasional difficulties. Fortunately, a triple tap of the home button would shrink the screen down to the corner so I could access everything, and I may have to install an app that does this very thing on the Pixel.
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Pie Control. Try it.
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Looks like this will provide the functionality I'm used to from the Note5...
https://www.xda-developers.com/install-one-handed-mode/

:confused: ONE thing you HATE about the Fold?

if you HAD to pick one Negative about the phone, what would it be?
amongst the list of things i don't like, i must choose the one thing i use every single day, multiple times a day.
the POWER Button.
my previous device (huawei mate 20x), had a taught power button which didn't wiggle around, satisfying click when pressed, and for a bonus, textured and colored.
the Fold: aside from failing to combine the Power button and the Fingerprint Scanner, the power button on the Fold is just like any other Galaxy device: cheap, thin, loose, and mushy to press.
anyone else have something that erks them using the phone daily?

I have problems with the fingerprint reader. I misplace my finger a lot. I miss FaceID it was so much smoother.
I don't use the button. I double tap the screen instead.

The front screen sucks. I can't text, email on it. It's so small. I love My fold, but the front screen kills me!
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It's a tablet on the inside but all my apps act like phone apps and not built for the tablet.

gman901 said:
It's a tablet on the inside but all my apps act like phone apps and not built for the tablet.
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Change your dpi / minimal width, then you'll get tablet ui

Thanks, it worked for a lot of my apps except Flipboard. For some reason it keeps acting like a phone app even when I set it to 952 dpi.

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The front screen sucks. I can't text, email on it. It's so small. I love My fold, but the front screen kills me!
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here is something almost everyone doesn't think about when wishing for an edge to edge, top to bottom, front display:
how much imbalance it would create on the phone. one handed use would be completely be gone.
- for someone not using a launcher: reaching up top to swipe down notification shade
- whether using standard navigation buttons, or using edge swiping: imagine reaching all the way down just to hit he navigation area
- people who use swipe one handed for text, it actually is perfect ergonomically the way it is now.
- not everyone has big hands
during and even before the Fold presentation almost a year ago, everyone was criticizing the front screen size without thinking about it in depth, and people STILL criticize it in newer videos, made 2 or 3 months ago.
all they see is bezel and think "its 2019/2020, wtf are we doing with huge bezels?!?!?"
i hope samsung doesn't listen to all these brainless people moaning and groaning about screen to body ratio % in their next folding tablet device.

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Change your dpi / minimal width, then you'll get tablet ui
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What DPI did you set it too?

Jeshter2000 said:
What DPI did you set it too?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-fold/help/tablet-mode-t4040217
see this thread.
good luck!

Jeshter2000 said:
What DPI did you set it too?
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here is something almost everyone doesn't think about when wishing for an edge to edge, top to bottom, front display:
how much imbalance it would create on the phone. one handed use would be completely be gone.
- for someone not using a launcher: reaching up top to swipe down notification shade
- whether using standard navigation buttons, or using edge swiping: imagine reaching all the way down just to hit he navigation area
- people who use swipe one handed for text, it actually is perfect ergonomically the way it is now.
- not everyone has big hands
during and even before the Fold presentation almost a year ago, everyone was criticizing the front screen size without thinking about it in depth, and people STILL criticize it in newer videos, made 2 or 3 months ago.
all they see is bezel and think "its 2019/2020, wtf are we doing with huge bezels?!?!?"
i hope samsung doesn't listen to all these brainless people moaning and groaning about screen to body ratio % in their next folding tablet device.
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Actually the front screen doesn't have to be all the front, but it definitely needs to be wider. It's just to narrow to write fast and without issues. It works, but it's cumbersome. I mostly swipe or dictate because typing is too annoying ?
To your main question, one thing I hate about the Fold:
There are some things which could be better, like the fingerprint reader integrated into the power button, no notch, S-Pen support, wider front screen, glass screen, IP ratings, faster charging (like Note10+) and much much more... but there's just 1 thing which really annoys me: the selfie cameras. They're all ****ty. Even compared to S7 until Note10+ it's just ****. The can't focus on something you tap. All Samsung flagships can do it. It's so ****ty I don't take any selfies anymore. Even using GCam doesn't change anything because it's a hardware thing. To be honest, they could have added the Note10 selfie cam on the small front and no other cameras. They could also remove the notch since the cameras are very bad ?

General Initial impressions

Got my Sunny Yellow one delivered this morning so been playing with it most of the day. Initial impressions are very good, some are listed below. Feel free to list your own.
The fingerprint scanner was a little off but after an update came in i deleted my fingerprints and re-did them and its been fine ever since. Couple of times it hasnt worked but i think thats because the screen is so smooth/slippery that my thumb slipped on the screen as it was trying to read it.
I dont have a 5g plan or even 5g signal where i am to test but so far 4g speeds are exactly the same as my pixel 2xl and oppo reno 2 ive come from.
I dont really like having the "internet" tile, id prefer having them seperate the wifi and mobile data tab. Just seems strange to add a further click to enable/disable wifi when i want to instead of just hitting the tab.
On the home screen if you make a folder then the apps slightly overhang the edge of the circle which just looks odd to me, i wish they were all within the folder.
I wish there was an option of disabling the big clock on the lock screen. I have a picture of my partner on my lock screen and when picking up the phone id rather see her than her face covered by a huge clock
The phone got very hot when setting up and transferring apps/data from my old phone but has been fine since.
I love the screen and how smooth everything flows. I dont see any issue with brightness personally. Ill see how battery life performs over the coming days

Hollow screen sound is a bit strange
Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher.
Camera is brilliant
Power button is in the wrong place and should be swapped with the volume buttons is.
Lack of screen protectors available to get delivered is frustrating but not Google's issue.
It's fast, smooth and had a great camera. The rest I am still get used to. Prefer it to my S21 ultra, maybe not loving it as much as my Mi 10 Pro.

The camera hump on the back really exposes the glass to potential damage. If I were designing the thing, I'd make the entire back stick out higher than the camera glass, and fill in the space with more battery.
The rounded edge screen is pretty terrible. There are optical distortions along the sides. The radius of the edge should be reduced to around 1 mm.
A little more width on the screen would be nice. This is 71.5mm. Nexus 6 was 74, which was a lot nicer. 80 would be a dream.
A little bit of border around the screen would also be nice so you have somewhere to actually hold the thing. Function should be paramount, not form, and especially not goofy/ugly form like these have. A bit of border above the screen would make space to get the camera out of the screen instead of the ugly hole. I also hate the rounded corners on the screen. Software rounded corners are ok, because you can disable them, there is no reason to force it with paint on the inside surface of the glass.

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The camera hump on the back really exposes the glass to potential damage. If I were designing the thing, I'd make the entire back stick out higher than the camera glass, and fill in the space with more battery.
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feel the same way with filling up the space with more battery... but then you have ppl complaining about how fat the phone is

Love it so far, so fast and fluid. As mentioned above it gets real hot, and was still discharging while using old pixel charger.
Camera is amazing the details captured are stunning.
Phone is very slippery to hold and would be easy to drop with the top weight of the camera hump. Tried to buy a case for grip and protection, and was told that they can until tomorrow because that was the day the phone was supposed to be delivered, but because of our crap postal service they sent a day early so that people would or should get them by that date
Real time translation works very well, even with the new update still seems a little buggy
Screen for me is fine for brightness I have high brightness mode widget and it is much brighter than the 4xl
I could buy pixel charger which I might take back because it doesn't seem to charge an faster.
My wireless car charger for the pixel 4xl charges this phone at about the same speed as the old wall charger, need to see if it throttles for heat though..

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feel the same way with filling up the space with more battery... but then you have ppl complaining about how fat the phone is
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I agree, but it also would be heavy

This is concerning "Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher." Hopefully there will be an update to Nova soon.
All the negative feedback on the rounded edges are making me consider the Pixel 6 versus the Pro. I think the base RAM on the 6 is fine. Giving up the Zoom is tougher to consider.

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I agree, but it also would be heavy
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There as a day when heavy meant PREMIUM and light meant junk.
My laptop (lenovo), not even old, actually had some weights added into it to make it feel more substantial.
And so what if its a little heavier as long as it isn't burdensome. You can easily carry around several pounds without it being burdensome.

swieder711 said:
This is concerning "Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher." Hopefully there will be an update to Nova soon.
All the negative feedback on the rounded edges are making me consider the Pixel 6 versus the Pro. I think the base RAM on the 6 is fine. Giving up the Zoom is tougher to consider.
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If you were referring to the rounded CORNERS, there will be kind-of software solutions for the rounded corners. Right now you can run "wm size 1440x2890" to reduce the display area (persistently). This brings the display area past the camera hole and past the rounded corners. Now normally, there would be a system property available to adjust the corners, however this one has multi-radius corners which are set in a config for systemui, therefore will actually require a rebuild from source to fix, but once that is unset, it should have square corners.
However the side effect of course, will be a slightly smaller display area. Still wider than the non-Pro, but less than it is now. Not that you need all that height for any practical purpose.
And for that matter, you could use the same "wm size" command to reduce the display width to work around the rounded edges. "wm size 1300x3120" pulls the display area all the way into the flat part and eliminates the optical distortions. You could probably establish a better balance that lets it in just a little bit and probably gives the same width as the non-Pro.

ozzjim1 said:
Hollow screen sound is a bit strange
Nova launcher crashes which is a shame because I don't like the search bar forced at the bottom of the screen on the pixel launcher.
Camera is brilliant
Power button is in the wrong place and should be swapped with the volume buttons is.
Lack of screen protectors available to get delivered is frustrating but not Google's issue.
It's fast, smooth and had a great camera. The rest I am still get used to. Prefer it to my S21 ultra, maybe not loving it as much as my Mi 10 Pro.
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Nova Launcher was crashing for me but it seemed to be a clock widget I had previously and it wasn't displaying it.
I deleted the widget and rebooted the phone and it has been perfect since and all day today.
My screen now looks like my 3XL only longer, faster, smoother

I can't find a was to Turn off Always on Display. Ist ist me, or isn't there an option?

Thanks for the tip on Nova, might rebuild my screen from scratch with it too ID the issue. The pixel launcher without some custom apps and grid sizes is a bit of a jarring experience. Search at the bottom is all wrong too.

magooo said:
I can't find a was to Turn off Always on Display. Ist ist me, or isn't there an option?
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settings, display, lock screen, turn off "always show time and info"

danw_oz said:
Screen for me is fine for brightness I have high brightness mode widget and it is much brighter than the 4xl
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Whoa! There's such a thing? Please, the name of it.

Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest

Keith W said:
Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest
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Have you gotten the small 70 MB Android update yet? Mine was buggy with Nova Launcher Prime, in particular, but after the update, all good.
I like the fingerprint reader better than the ultrasonic in my Note 10+. It's working much better and faster for me so far. Here's hoping that stays true.

Keith W said:
Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest
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id suggest resetting then. Working fine for most people

Keith W said:
Not sure what is up with my unit but it as buggy as hell
Not impressed so far if I am honest
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Could you describe what you mean by "buggy as hell"?

wekebu said:
Whoa! There's such a thing? Please, the name of it.
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Search play for high brightness mode or HBM software by @flar2 an amazing kernal and software developer

According to Goggle I have a defective unit and they are going to swap it out