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I've seen the fingers being used on the screen, and yes, this may be a dumb question, but watching the video again, I notice they never even mention a stylus.
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
I "said" it was a dumb question
TickLe MY eLMo said:
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
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I have a TP2 now, it has a stylus and a touch screen.
Hey, I was just asking because I was curious and no one had seemed to mention it.
Nope, there is "NO" stylus thank goodness
TickLe MY eLMo said:
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
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I'm coming from the world of WinMo where I used a stylus to select text for cutting and pasting. How does one select text for cut & paste without a stylus?
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I'm coming from the world of WinMo where I used a stylus to select text for cutting and pasting. How does one select text for cut & paste without a stylus?
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go use an iphone to see how and ive cut and paste on an iphone pretty decently and the EVO will have a bigger screen so itll be easier to cut on that and the EVO is capacittive touch pro 2 is resistive if you dont know the difference google
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
blitzer320 said:
go use an iphone to see how and ive cut and paste on an iphone pretty decently and the EVO will have a bigger screen so itll be easier to cut on that and the EVO is capacittive touch pro 2 is resistive if you dont know the difference google
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man, one huge long run on sentence. Trust me though OP, it is easy, i forgot how to specifically do it on android, but i'm sure it's easy.
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your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
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and that is as far as we need to go
I don't like the feel of the resistive screens. This one is much much better.
Resistive screens you have to push harder usually, capacitive ones detect fingers much better and require a very slight touch, however they don't detect hard objects like a stylus and such.
When I first got my HD2, the capacitive screen was so sensitive, in comparison to my Blackstone, I went kind of nutty.....but, a Winmo application was posted trough good ol' XDA to adjust the sensitivity to personal preference.
Te EVO is bound to be the same. No fingernails, the capacitive screen requires the touch of the finger.
Also, I have a capacitive stylist.....big as a pencil and quite unnecessary.
sanjsrik said:
i've seen the fingers being used on the screen, and yes, this may be a dumb question, but watching the video again, i notice they never even mention a stylus.
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what!!!
Capacitive touch screen!!!
Stylus!!!
What!!!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+the+evo+have+a+stylist
sorry but could not help myself........
wow, that was truly unhelpful
beerock said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+the+evo+have+a+stylist
sorry but could not help myself........
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I did exactly what you said and guess what the first hit is, "XDA-Developers".
it was an honest question and admitting that it may have been a dumb one was my first comment. I truly don't understand how some people "think" they're funny when just ignoring a question that they may think they're "above" is the better non-response.
Don't assume you're the smartest person in the room and the other people didn't first search for the answer. Your OWN example turned up THIS post started by me.
If you don't want to help, that's one thing, if you think making fun of someone else makes you better, that's something else entirely.
THIS is why people sometimes are afraid to ask questions in these forums for fear that people like you will make fun of them.
No question is waste of time if it hasn't been asked before, which funny enough mine hadn't.
Joecrack305 said:
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
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if I may....
this is the touchscreen controller in the EVO
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp?family_id=701&source=main_nav
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
Proximity channel support
also capacitive touchscreens can have stylus's....
http://www.eforcity.com/universal-touch-screen-stylus-for-apple-iphone-touch-black-dothxxxxst03.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronic...iTouch-Models/3275019/product.html?rcmndsrc=2
sanjsrik said:
I did exactly what you said and guess what the first hit is, "XDA-Developers".
it was an honest question and admitting that it may have been a dumb one was my first comment. I truly don't understand how some people "think" they're funny when just ignoring a question that they may think they're "above" is the better non-response.
Don't assume you're the smartest person in the room and the other people didn't first search for the answer. Your OWN example turned up THIS post started by me.
If you don't want to help, that's one thing, if you think making fun of someone else makes you better, that's something else entirely.
THIS is why people sometimes are afraid to ask questions in these forums for fear that people like you will make fun of them.
No question is waste of time if it hasn't been asked before, which funny enough mine hadn't.
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relax killer, I didnt even look and see what came up plus I spelled stylus wrong anyway... I was just joking around hence the smiley.... But I noticed that isnt easy to do anymore
Ok since I upset the OP (unintentionally) I figured I would help.... here is what I found when I actually did a correct search....
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=htc+EVO+stylus?
Hope it helps
johnsongrantr said:
if I may....
this is the touchscreen controller in the EVO
<urls removed due to my newbie status>
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
Proximity channel support
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You can't use a stylus or fingernail on the Incredible and it was also rumored to be using the same touchscreen. So until someone who has access to a unit says it works, I wouldn't count on using a non-conductive mechanism to interact with the EVO 4G.
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You can't use a stylus or fingernail on the Incredible and it was also rumored to be using the same touchscreen. So until someone who has access to a unit says it works, I wouldn't count on using a non-conductive mechanism to interact with the EVO 4G.
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i guess the manufacturers of the controller are lying then
I really miss a few features on my HTC Hero. Sadly it seems like the Hero was much more userfriendly when it comes to hardware design choices.
1. PenTile Matrix Display freaks me out. I can see the rough edges very easily. Makes my eyes having problems with focusing because the edges seem blurry. I have read a lot about this problem prior to getting an Desire so i shouldn't complain. Still it's much more visible than some people try to make it sound. Especially in white text/ black background.
2. Hardware Buttons: Call Buttons...yeah everybody can see that the Desire doesn't have those, and that's not my main gripe. My MAIN problem is that i can't wake this damn screen with ANY other button than the POWER Button, which happens to be positioned at the most uncomfortable position available. It was so much more user friendly on the Hero where i can wake and unlock the screen by two hardware buttons at the bottom.
3. Android Market is SLOW: Why is the Android market like 500 times slower to start a download than my old hero?
4. trackpad: the trackwheel for the hero was more precise.
5. color saturation. welcome to the candy land! Reds and orange colors burn into your eyes. some people like that.
6. it killed my microsd card...well ok i don't know if this is the desires fault but still: suddenly my sd card was shown as faulty. On the PC is works without any problems, but i had to format it in order to use it with the desire.
Of course there are some good things too, like the speed. The desire is really fast, but not THAT much faster than the Milestone. And the overall built quality is great.
Everything you mention is why I LOVE my Desire - vibrant colours, awesome screen, optical pad instead of ball which only ends up breaking/getting clogged with dust...can't fault it IMO (except the Market, it is a bit slow but meh)
according to your point nr 6. did you always safety remove it after plugging in to the PC ?
well i'm sort of used with the "power button to wake the device" since i had a winmo device before the desire, so i don't really see it as a bad thing
cez10 said:
according to your point nr 6. did you always safety remove it after plugging in to the PC ?
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i'm using windows 7 64bit and never did that, my sd card was show as faulty once so i powered off the phone took out the card, putted in my pc and saw that everything was working fine, putted it again in the phone and never had a problem again.
EddyOS said:
Everything you mention is why I LOVE my Desire - vibrant colours, awesome screen, optical pad instead of ball which only ends up breaking/getting clogged with dust...can't fault it IMO (except the Market, it is a bit slow but meh)
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awesome screen? Have you seen the Motorola Droid live?
About the colors, they are not reproduced correctly as many tests have proven. But i already said that this is also a personal preference.
But the bad resolution quality (comapred to the droid) of the PenTile Matrix display is not a matter of preference, because nobody would prefer the PenTile concept compared to the usual RGB per Pixel approach.
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according to your point nr 6. did you always safety remove it after plugging in to the PC ?
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no, and actually i believe this was the problem. I only unmounted the sd card using the desire/hero, but never ejected the card on windows prior to that. Just recently i found out that i have to eject the card via windows before unmounting it.
#1
You say I shouldn't complain... then don't I don't have any problems with my eyes.
#2
Why would you need call buttons? My screen turns on as soon as I pull it from my ear (proximity sensor) quite easy to touch the big red bar then isn't it?
#3
My market doesn't appear to be any slower, and download is only improved, I have a 20 mbit connection and with my hero on wifi I would max get 500kb/s
The desire reaches full connection speed @ 1500kb/s so download from market is a lot faster.
#4
More precise but it got dirty very quick, mine even changed color from white to yellowish (maybe I should stop smoking) but not only nicotine sticks to it. Everything sticks to it.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
awesome screen? Have you seen the Motorola Droid live?
About the colors, they are not reproduced correctly as many tests have proven. But i already said that this is also a personal preference.
But the bad resolution quality (comapred to the droid) of the PenTile Matrix display is not a matter of preference, because nobody would prefer the PenTile concept compared to the usual RGB per Pixel approach.
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I've not seen the Droid, nor do I want to. Motorola phones are some of the WORST I've ever had the pleasure (or not) to use. I've no issues with the Desire's screen and bar the slight pink issue I can't fault it.
As said, this is all personal opinion but putting a thread about why you hate a device in the forum where people who love it frequent is asking to get flamed!!
EddyOS said:
I've not seen the Droid, nor do I want to. Motorola phones are some of the WORST I've ever had the pleasure (or not) to use. I've no issues with the Desire's screen and bar the slight pink issue I can't fault it.
As said, this is all personal opinion but putting a thread about why you hate a device in the forum where people who love it frequent is asking to get flamed!!
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He only hates a few parts of it, not the whole thing, what's wrong with that?
I agree on most points, though this is my first android phone. The first thing I noticed when I turned it on was the jagged line thing because of the pentile display, its no way near as nice looking as a display should be with that ppi. It kind of defeats the point of a hi res screen.
But other than that and the fact that sense sucks compared to stock ui, I love this phone
I must either not have this jagged line or not noticed it but I have no idea what you're on about!
EddyOS said:
I must either not have this jagged line or not noticed it but I have no idea what you're on about!
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lol you will have it as it's impossible to not. Its easiest to notice on the edge of each key on the keyboard. You can quite clearly see the individual pixels, which you shouldn't really see on a high res screen
EddyOS said:
I must either not have this jagged line or not noticed it but I have no idea what you're on about!
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your eyes probably don't notice it, which is actually very good in this case.
Sadly my eagle eyes can see it very clearly. I just have to wait a few year, then i won't see the problems either.
But believe me the Motorola Milestone Display is just better by a huge margin. I had a testdevice for my blog for about 2 months, and the display is fantastic.
samac92 is completely right, when he says that the pentile technology defeats the point of having a (pseudo) WVGA resolution. If you ever have the chance to compare the Motorola droid vs. Desire display, do it. The difference is huge, because the droid has real WVGA resolution as every pixel has RGB color informations, while pentile pixel only have two color informations per pixel.
I've got perfect 20/20 vision, I just probably haven't looked close enough tbh - a slightly jagged keyboard really doesn't bother me. Coming from the HD2 with it's huge (but washed out) screen this is a god send and easily the best phone I've had...and I've had a lot!!
No doubt something else will come out in future but for now I honestly have no issues with the Desire. If I did I'd be rid of it
Plus, the Milestone is a HORRID looking phone...nothing new there, eh Moto??
#1: i was hoping that the pentile problem wasn't as bad. But sadly it is quite bad indeed.
#2 i don't need call buttons at any cost, i need hardware buttons at the bottom of the device (don't care if its a call button or any other button) which can wake up the screen, and put it so sleep mode. I don't want to reach out to the power button every time, as this is not a natural movement when holding the device with one hand.
Also redialing using the "start call" button was very comfortable as you would directly open the dialer app. It's quicker than having to use a shortcut app on the homescreen imho.
#3 not the download itself is slower. but the time that passes until the download starts. There are time where i have to wait for 3-4 minutes until the download starts. Having a good downstream is great, but on my hero i have the app installed before the download starts on the desire on some occasions.
Stafflover said:
#1
You say I shouldn't complain... then don't I don't have any problems with my eyes.
#2
Why would you need call buttons? My screen turns on as soon as I pull it from my ear (proximity sensor) quite easy to touch the big red bar then isn't it?
#3
My market doesn't appear to be any slower, and download is only improved, I have a 20 mbit connection and with my hero on wifi I would max get 500kb/s
The desire reaches full connection speed @ 1500kb/s so download from market is a lot faster.
#4
More precise but it got dirty very quick, mine even changed color from white to yellowish (maybe I should stop smoking) but not only nicotine sticks to it. Everything sticks to it.
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EddyOS said:
I've got perfect 20/20 vision, I just probably haven't looked close enough tbh - a slightly jagged keyboard really doesn't bother me. Coming from the HD2 with it's huge (but washed out) screen this is a god send and easily the best phone I've had...and I've had a lot!!
No doubt something else will come out in future but for now I honestly have no issues with the Desire. If I did I'd be rid of it
Plus, the Milestone is a HORRID looking phone...nothing new there, eh Moto??
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you are right, the HD2 was somehow blurry and washed out.
The sad thing is that i don't have to look close to see the rough edges on the desire display. i can see it very easily.
But you really miss out on the milestone display, you don't have to wait for future devices to blow out the desires display out of the water. After seeing that milestone magic, the desire display is just no contest anymore. I would have opted for the milestone, but other than the display the desire just has much better hardware specs like RAM and CPU. i also like sense.
And the milestone doesn't have the new launcher style of the N1 after the 2.1 update, but still the plain old boring android 1.x launcher.
I wouldn't be caught dead with the Milestone - every review I've read has said it's crap and a screen just isn't enough to have a phone I'm afraid...
Desire FTW!!
EddyOS said:
I wouldn't be caught dead with the Milestone - every review I've read has said it's crap and a screen just isn't enough to have a phone I'm afraid...
Desire FTW!!
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hmm very interesting as nearly all known media like engadget and gizmodo as well as all big media in germany really praised this device.
I praised it on my blog review too. And i'm definetly not preferring motorola usually. I'm a HTC fan starting from MDA Compact (HTC Magician) days a decade ago.
The Milestone was the first real killer Android device which sold some impressing numbers. Of course the HTC Hero wasn't bad either, but it didn't have the impact that the droid/milestine had.
Well I've just looked long and hard at the keyboard and I can't see any individual pixels.
But I am 40, so that might be another benefit of getting older.
It was the very first thing I noticed on the Desire, even though it took me a while to find what it was. I don't think good or bad eyesight has anything to do with us noticing or not noticing the PenTile issue. I also see issues on HD tv's and expensive HD Projectors, that no one else sees. And no, my vision is far from perfect. I don't wear glasses, but other than that, my sight is average at the most. So I guess it has to do with how your brain process the visual input. Oh, and I am over 40 too
3. Android Market is SLOW: Why is the Android market like 500 times slower to start a download than my old hero?
Download appbrain from the market then you can use the appbrain.com site for apps then sync to your phone from your pc.
That site is faster to use than the market place
Here's a little background, on Saturday I got a Galaxy S and it was screwed(No 3 button modes), I got another SGS and it had the same issue. Not to mention that its GPS was a bit screwed. Now I'm not being against SGS, its an awesome phone and honestly I'm a bit skeptical for switching after my 6 hour experience with the phone but I need another phone.
Now I'm thinking the next best option, HTC Desire. I need a ROMable phone with good community around it, the phone itself needs to be fast(Or with the ability to be fast), the touch needs to be good(Very important, I'm used to an iPod Touch, so I want a touch experience close to the iTouch, I mean snappy, quick and accurate). I know it has a relatively bad Multi-Touch but is it really that bad? Does it support 3-point or greater touches?
Also how is the gaming experience on it? I know it has a weaker GPU than Desire but is it absolutely bad?
Note : The comparison/experience need not be from stock ROM, it can be from any ROM as long as it is available in the wild.
EDIT : Also how is the screen if Desire when compared to SGS, iTouch 3G(iPhone 3GS)? I know its a bit smaller than SGS but would it make a difference?
Multi touch is a no, it's 2 point only I believe...
Still best phone I've had, better than iPhone 3GS IMO - not used the SGS but have heard a number of bad things about it
Best thing you can do is have a go on one, then you can make up your own mind
I'd still like some opinions before I go into the store. The problem is here you actually don't get to try it before purchasing it, stores are skeptical due to the theft.
How is the touch experience in general?
I came from an HD2 and it was night and day compared to that in terms of the screens!! I'd say it's comparable to the iPhone 3GS in terms of text input but as I've not properly used an iPhone I can't say more than that. I've had no issues with the touch personally, I'd say it's a blinding phone and best I've ever used
Have you tried playing games on the Desire? Is it good in terms of gaming?
Only game I've played is Angry Birds and for that it's fine - end of the day it's a phone so I use it as one (email, calls, SMS) so can't comment more than that
Dragooon123 said:
Have you tried playing games on the Desire? Is it good in terms of gaming?
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Gaming is fine - if the controls are appropriate for the Desires touch screen. I've no problems with games like Nova, Skies of Glory, Dungeon Hunger, Angry Birds etc.
As to the GPU, yes it is weaker than the one in the Galaxy S, but to be honest when I do play I can't say I can really notice it. It certainly isn't a bad GPU, it's just not as fast as the PowerVR GPU in the Samsung and iPhones.
That being said, if phone gaming was only of my primary requirements, I would probably buy an iPhone anyway, though the gap is definitely narrowing!
Regards,
Dave
P.S. Note that two points is still more than one, so it does have multi-touch!
If anyone even dares to suggest me iPhone in this thread I'll shoot them in an instance . Not that it is a bad phone, I've decided to not go with it.
Multi-touch aside, is the normal touch application good? Is the screen accurate and responsive? I'm talking about the problems faced with touch screens such as applying too much pressure for it to recognize a command, the screen not being responsive etc. Especially in typing.
Is their really a big difference between 3.7" and 4.0" screen? Also, is the screen on Desire good when compared to other high-end handsets(Xperia, Galaxy, iPhone)?
Also, what are the chances for it to be completely bricked? Not that I'd intentionally do something bad(I'm quite good at flashing I guess, I've flashed my dad's Herald numerous times).
Also the most important thing, how is the GPS? I plan on using MyTracks with it to record tracks for 4-6 hours. Basically my dad is documenting the locality with photos and he goes on for 4-6 hours every day taking photos and 360 degree panoramas of different places. We'd like to Geotag them but my camera doesn't support it, so we plan on tracking it with MyTracks and then patching it with Apple's Aperture.
MyTrak as in Snooper? I work for them!!
General touch screen is just as good as an iPhone - it's a capacitive screen so little contact is needed to use and I've had no problems with it at all. Colours are vibrant too (but I've got an AMOLED screen, new ones tend to have the SLCD screen which is slightly less vibrant apparently)
The 3.7" screen's fine to view and a lot easier in the hand than my old HD2 (although it was a nice unit to use - shame about WM6.5)
My Tracks, as in Google's My Tracks. It records your GPS movement for a desired amount of time.
How is the screen's test? My biggest complain with HTC's Herald was that the screen could break very easily, is the screen on Desire strong? Can it stand scratches from objects like keys, coins or sharp objects? Is it drop-friendly?
I've a Martin Fields protector on mine and it's in its official case at all times when not in use but it is a glass screen so is still strong. I never have it in a pocket with anything else as a precaution, though
Hi everyone
I just bought a DHD and I am quite happy with it.
The biggest problem that I have with the device is the fairly inaccurate touchscreen. I am wondering whether it is just my device or is anyone else having the same issue.
Just to clarify, the touchscreen found in DHD is a Synaptics 3000 rather than maxtouch as some people believed. (/sys/android_touch/vendor shows "Synaptics_3K_0x108") Synaptics touch panels are commonly believed to be of lower quality than Atmel ones. I am quite upset HTC did not use Atmel ones as they did on Evo 4G.
So, the problem:
The problem is the touchscreen fails to properly register my finger in the horizontal direction. Vertically there is no problem. If I slide your homescreens slowly and steadily in the horizontal direction, the screen sticks and jumps. Across the whole screen there are about 11 such "sticking positions". The stickiness is consistent across the screen. If you scroll webpages sideways or down in landscape mode, you see the scrolling is not smooth. But vertical scrolling there is no problem at all.
So basically I am having exactly the same behavior on my DHD as this guy in
youtube.com/watch?v=JiNa8EHkViE
If i draw diagonal lines with my finger with normal pressure, I get very wavy lines, very similar to Light pressure for Desire in
cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/500x_touchscreen.jpg
So I'm wondering whether anyone else is having the same problem as I do?
Can this be a design flaw (poor quality panel?) or driver flaw (touch algorithm fails to take into account for the characteristics of the panel?)
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I think it is normal for capacitive touch screens to exhibit this behavior. But it is quite severe on my DHD. This is problematic because the low horizontal accuracy is annoying when you want to select text / adjust a slidebar / type in portrait mode.
If you ain't happy, return it.
I'm not sure 'if you ain't happy return it' is a very courteous response to a valid and well-thought-out post.
That's very interesting.... Just another in an increasing list of niggles I have with this phone. HTC seem to have cut a few corners with the DHD.
Sadly, unless one goes iPhone, there aren't many decent alternative devices out there for the more discerning smartphone user... otherwise I'd give HTC a wide berth myself.
No offence was meant when I stated that if your not happy with what you have bought, return it.
As with any high end consumer electronics, if it doesn't work as it should, get it replaced or get a refund.
andyharney said:
No offence was meant when I stated that if your not happy with what you have bought, return it.
As with any high end consumer electronics, if it doesn't work as it should, get it replaced or get a refund.
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Thank you for your suggestion. Do you own a DHD? Can you contribute by sharing your experience on the accuracy of the touchscreen if you do?
I indeed do own a DHD. I got mine from one of the first batches available in the UK. Unlocked & unbranded.
Fortunately for me I have not had a single issue that others have described. My display is bright & vivid, the proximity sensor works perfectly, no INIT process lag, GPS is very fast. The list goes on.
The touchscreen I feel is excellent. If you have downloaded & played "What the Doodle" from the market you'd soon realise if you had a faulty touch unit.
My experience with other Android devices (HTC Hero) and other HTC devices (Kaiser, Alpine & Blueangel) teaches me that although each device may have same specs & almost the same hardware, each one, like humans, has character.
If this "Character" is something you are Ok with, e.g dodgy proximity sensor, then excellent. However as your describing something that is more than just "Character" i.e a dodgy touchscreen, I would get the DHD exchanged.
I think this issue has already been covered here (even the video you linked is made by the guy that posted that thread). The sensor quality is a fact of life. Ranting about it would make no difference whatsoever. You can either live with it or not. Your choice.
Ranting??? I am largely happy with my device (as, I imagine, the OP is). But I think if we have niggles we are perfectly at liberty to bounce these off other forum members to see if others are having the same experience, and we should be able to do so without being made to feel like a nuisance.
I didn't understand the "ranting" post either.
We all choose to visit here and contribute what we can. No-one should feel like their being a nuisance.
I wanted to understand my device and would like to see if what I experienced is also experienced by others so I can consider getting a replacement from HTC. now the issue seems to be cut and dried because every dhd seems be be exhibiting the same behavior. but I am keeping my dhd because, as I said as the very first thing in my first post, I am quite happy with my device.
apparently xda is filled with all very helpful people. thanks to all of you.
and BTW thanks to tkolev for pointing out the thread. the issue might be fixable through a software update is surely a home thing to know.
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I must say that I'm very fussy with my electronics, yet I did not notice this.
If you're trying to draw on it, it might not be suitable. If you're doing all the normal stuff smartphones are used for, I doubt it'd be a problem. Maybe you need a Wacom tablet?
Mine does it too so I guess it's just normal for the touchscreen used in the DHD. Not much you can do but return it if you're not happy I feel your frustration though, there's always something that isn't quite up to my standards when it comes to high end electronics.
Just tested my DHD with Draw(er) (From the marked) and the lines are straight as Chuck Norris.
Bought the device two days ago from Tele2 Norway. Unlocked and unbraned.
After returning my previous nexus 7 because of a dead pixel, I'm happy to confirm my new new nexus 7 is working perfectly! No GPS problems, no dead pixels, no super weird touchscreen problems.
But here's a thing I'm uncertain about. I can confirm this happened on both JSSR66N and JSS15R. Although I don't have phantom touches, and my screen supports 10 finger multi touch, there's a little bit of interference when using two fingers: when I hold one finger steady and slowly move another finger so that one of the axles is aligned, the screen registers movement in that same axle on the non moving finger as well. Usually It jumps about 10 pixels.
This results in unsmooth aiming when playing fps games, or other 2-thumb games. It's not game breaking or anything, its just noticeable.
I was wondering if this is normal for capacitive touchscreens, if its just a software bug, or maybe it is indeed a hardware issue in MY tablet, in which case it can be returned, since I'm on day 3 of my 14 day return period.
It isn't normal for touchscreens in general.
However on the Nexus 7 2013, many units will exhibit this behavior. If you don't have any other issues, I wouldn't return it for what you are describing. There are far worse issues you might encounter.
This behaviour is pretty normal for touchscreen when crossing axis with two fingers.
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Your answers seem a bit contradicting. Could one elaborate?
The nexus 7 just has a batch of issues. That is not normal, try it out on a different device like a Nexus 4, HTC One or any other device that doesn't have a crop of issues.
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You are not talking much about this in the forum, i don't know if people don't realise about it or just don't have it but there's a big issue with the grounding of many devices. In a Spanish forum we have a big post open about it, one is back from asus and mine is going tomorrow. Mine works well, not perfect, in my hands but over a table works bad, it changes a lot. I guess it works as the creator from the thread says.
I haven't seen a capacitive touch screen that doesn't have this issue to some extend. The touch screen uses a line grid to sense capacitance; so if you have two fingers at the same line-pair, they will influence each others capacitance reading.
My N7 touchscreen definitely works better than my Galaxy i9000 one.
Multitouch in my 2 years old and much more used samsung galaxy s2 works much much much better than the n7. One and multi as far as the s2 can go
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I haven't seen a capacitive touch screen that doesn't have this issue to some extend. The touch screen uses a line grid to sense capacitance; so if you have two fingers at the same line-pair, they will influence each others capacitance reading.
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It is the job of the DSP to filter out noise and produce smooth data.
There is absolutely no jitter on my GS2.
Apple iPhone 5 also has no jitter.
Therefore I make the claim that the jitter is not "normal" for touchscreens in general, but for the N7 2013, many units exhibit this behavior, so it isn't worth trying to get a new one, because there are worse things than minor jitter.
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It is the job of the DSP to filter out noise and produce smooth data.
There is absolutely no jitter on my GS2.
Apple iPhone 5 also has no jitter.
Therefore I make the claim that the jitter is not "normal" for touchscreens in general, but for the N7 2013, many units exhibit this behavior, so it isn't worth trying to get a new one, because there are worse things than minor jitter.
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So you are saying, if you take something like 'Yet Another MultiTouch Test' that displays coordinates and a cross; put one finger on the screen and then cross the displayed lines with a second finger that the first pos doesn't move at all?
As long as I don't cross those lines there is no movement/jitter for the first finger.
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So you are saying, if you take something like 'Yet Another MultiTouch Test' that displays coordinates and a cross; put one finger on the screen and then cross the displayed lines with a second finger that the first pos doesn't move at all?
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On 9 out of 10 Nexus 7 2013 I tried there is movement. On my GS2 there is no movement, nor was there movement on the iPhone 5.
I don't need to use YAMTT, the jitter is immediately apparent when doing rotations in Google Maps. The axis cross when rotating clockwise, counterclockwise.
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On 9 out of 10 Nexus 7 2013 I tried there is movement. On my GS2 there is no movement, nor was there movement on the iPhone 5.
I don't need to use YAMTT, the jitter is immediately apparent when doing rotations in Google Maps. The axis cross when rotating clockwise, counterclockwise.
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I don't need to use YAMTT, the jitter is immediately apparent when doing rotations in Google Maps. The axis cross when rotating clockwise, counterclockwise.
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That's not a challenging test - my N7 has no problem with that. But maybe, I have have one of the better ones...
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That's not a challenging test - my N7 has no problem with that. But maybe, I have have one of the better ones...
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You are welcome to your opinion.
It is very challenging for 9 of 10 N7 2013 I tested. I have never seen jitter in YAMTT that was not also reflected in Google Maps.
On N7 I turn on developer options show touches and show pointer location which is actually more direct than YAMTT because it is at the OS level.
I have run YAMTT on three units, but the reason I don't run YAMTT on all units is because some of the units I test do not have access to Internet to download it, while developer options and Google Maps are on every unit.
Just to satisfy you, I installed YAMTT on my GS2 and it is rock solid with
2 finger overlap, pinch-zoom
one finger static, the other sliding to overlap
two finger rotating and overlapping clockwise, counterclockwise
two finger overlap sliding down the screen
It is a shame that folks have gotten so used to buggy touchscreens that they are convincing themselves it is normal.
I know people who think jumpy Google maps is normal because they think it is downloading data. When they see maps on my phone, they are amazed how smooth it is on 2.5yr old technology.
I can just agree with sfhub, many people just agree with the problem an see it normal as some people said in this and other posts related. Your money doesn't have problems, why would you accept a faulty device? It's not just my GS2, even the touch screen of my galaxty 3 (low end from samsung) performs better than this, less points but all are still working today and that's a 4 years old 2.2 froyo (back up phonein case of xtreme necesity).
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So, in conclusion, the touchscreen's behaviour is not normal for touchscreens in general, but it is very common among nexus 7's.
Arthedes said:
So, in conclusion, the touchscreen's behaviour is not normal for touchscreens in general, but it is very common among nexus 7's.
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From my experience experimenting with many units, that is accurate.
If your jitter progressed to ghost taps, stuck taps, spasdic multi-touch, dead spots/bands, then I'd start to worry.
Minor jitter, don't worry about it.
There are 2 separate issues. Jitter issue, which is not OK and should not happen. However a slight shift in position when using 2 fingers, one static and the other crossing the same axis, the static finger always has a slight shift. That is normal for many touch screens.
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