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Rhodium or Hero

Tell me guys.
Went from a tytn2 to a Raphael...
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?

Never used a Hero.
The TP2 from T-Mobile is hands-down the best WM-based device I've ever had my paws on. You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.....

Macedon2000 said:
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
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Do you want a Windows Mobile phone with a brilliant physical keyboard and lots of neat business features that also does a reasonable job of multimedia, or do you want an Android-powered, multimedia-oriented device with a capacitive touchscreen that supports multi-touch, and which also does a reasonable job of business-oriented stuff? The two are really very different. It would make more sense to be having trouble deciding between a Hero an iPhone - they're much more similar in philosophy (IMO).

i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.

I was also thinking weather to go for hero or the touch pro2 but the touch pro2 has an amazing keyboard and watching movies on it look pretty impressive and i dont mind it not using a 3.5 mm jack as i use a stereo bluetooth headset. So i went for the touch pro2 and WOW im glad i did, im writing this from my touch pro 2 now.
It also has a reasonably good stock rom, the stock rom on my wizard was hopeless and if it wasnt for xda-developers i would never of had it for so long.

TP2 definetly, because the hardware keyboard that for me is a must!

The telephone conferencing and voice features are really good. Easy to setup and to use. Sound is good too. Credit to HTC for adding features that are fundamental to a what a good business phone should have.

I really don't like the way the Hero looks. Just for that I would go with the TP2.

Macedon2000 said:
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
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capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli

I got the Tmobile Touch Pro2 and I am very happy with it - awesome screen size and acceptable thickness for a fullsize keyboard. hulu.com on skyfire for this screensize totally rocks. I have heard that the flash browser of Hero is slow, but then again - it hasn't been XDA-fied yet (not that I know of, anyway).
But I am in the same boat as you - want the Hero too!!!
Good news is that I have a work ATT phone that will be up for renewal in October, hopefully when the Hero comes in!
Can't really help you with your choice except say - go to the Tmobile store and see the TMobile touch pro2 in person.
And don't count out the diamond2 either.
It truly is a great time to have HTC shares....hmmm maybe I should be looking into that! lol!

poppinpengawen said:
capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
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Resistive screens need to be pressed quite hard, while capacitive ones only need to be touched lightly. Capacitive screens tend to be more responsive, so they will probably track your finger better when scrolling, and there's less likely to be any ambiguity about whether you've pressed something or not. But the most significant difference (aside from the fact that you can't use a stylus with a capacitive screen) is that a capacitive screen, given appropiate OS support, can support multi-touch - that is, it can detect being pressed in more than one place at once.
So, on the Hero and iPhone if you're running (say) Google Earth, you can rotate the map by putting your thumb and forefinger on the screen and twisting your hand. You can also zoom in and out by putting thumb and forefinger either side of a section of the screen, then moving them together or apart. This is much more convenient and intuitive than the TP2's zoom bar.

Macedon2000 said:
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
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A jail-broken iPhone is actually pretty flexible.
I almost bought an iPhone rather than a TP2. It was really only the cost that put me off in the end. (Not the absolute cost, but it's too expensive for what it is). The user-interface design on an iPhone really is beautiful - it's not just that everything works, it's that everything works intuitively and quickly and neatly. The lack of a physical keyboard was also a problem for me (as I'm rather clumsy and have short, fat fingers) but the on-screen keyboard on an iPhone is the best I've seen; and the lower resolution of the screen (on iPhone or Hero) niggles a bit - for mobile web-browsing the extra screen res on a TP2 or Diamond2 really makes a difference for reading small text.
The call quality is also very good on a TP2 - I need phones to be clear and loud as I'm partially deaf. People hear you very clearly on the TP2 as well, thanks to the high-quality soise-cancelling microphones.

lets compare the iphone touch to our touch screen.

after using this phone for about 12 days i can say that itouch/iphone requires no adjustment at all.
i havent used itouch before either the first time i held it in my hand it worked flawlessly.
there was not many missed buttons and accidental clicks on the itouch.
capacitive screen is the way to go for finger operation.
but itouch and iphone also are made specifically for finger touch.
so all the buttons are bigger, the scroll bars are bigger.
on the touch pro 2 theres still million of checkboxes and scroll bars and buttons that are so tiny that you have to have baby size fingers in order to hit that button...
has anyone used an i phone theme for rhodium and see if it is more "finger friendly" theme even with resistive touch screen?
just like with any defice there will be people defending it.
windows vs apple vs linux.
american vs japanese vs german cars
vegetarians vs everyone else
intel vs amd
all these are made with different purpose in mind.
but the better analogy would be
programming in java and programming in assembly language
yes old school dudes that can pinpoint every component on their favorite motherboard and know what it does would say its the most direct programming language
but its old its hard to learn and takes forever to write something.
and you get java that sacrifices some precision in comands but gets the job done with less resources and headache.
my point is
everyone that keeps saying the capacitive and resistive is not much different is far from reality. they are different even though they are both touch screens.

i went off topic a lil
so the idea was if you have itouch or iphone and touch pro 2
post your experience in this topic so its not allover the board
and if you have a iphone theme installer that would be even better id love to hear how much difference does it make having bigger buttons on he screen

I actually cringe a bit every time someone refers to the iPod Touch as the "itouch". It just doesn't sound right...
Anyway, I have both the TP2 and an iPod Touch (2nd gen). The only difference in terms of the touch screen is that one requires pressure and the other doesn't. It's that simple and it's because of the capacitive vs resistive nature of the screens. I think they both work well enough for me.
Honestly, I'd prefer capacitive because then, the screen won't need a flexing membrane and would actually feel hard like glass. And multi-touch would enable full-speed typing on a landscape soft keyboard.
But I've no issues with the resistive screen on the TP2.

Just my 2 cents.
Nothing compares to the iPod Touch and iPhone screens.
They work flawless ........

Ipod Touch/Iphone has the better screen.
Touch Pro 2 is the better phone.
I had an Iphone.. hated the fact that I couldn't customize it to my liking, so I went to TP2.

Ky772 said:
Ipod Touch/Iphone has the better screen.
Touch Pro 2 is the better phone.
I had an Iphone.. hated the fact that I couldn't customize it to my liking, so I went to TP2.
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If you jailbreak an iPhone, you can customize anything ..........

first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)

As far as resistive screens go, the Rhodium is as good as they get. Comparing it to a capacitive screen, in terms of sensitivity, is obviously not going to favor the Rhodium. However, I have an iPod Touch (1st generation), an iPhone (1st generation), and a Rhodium (obviously), and I can say that I almost prefer the Rhodium's screen, since it's much more precise and I can use my fingers, gloves, or a stylus for input. The iPhone's screen is much more sensitive and does multitouch, both things I would love to have on the Rhodium, but the Rhodium's screen is more practical for my uses and fits my needs better. Plus, WM 6.5 combined with the massive screen size means I rarely have to use the stylus.

For the overall package the Rhodium beats the iphone hands down. I have installed SPB Mobile Shell which expells any requirments for skinny fingers. In fact the Rhodium and mobile shell is an awesome combination.

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Well not to beat a dead horse but I have a iPhone 3g a iPod touch 1st gen and what at&t calls a Tilt2.
As far as screens go there are none better than the apple devices. They have that safari and the app store. That's the extint of their lead. Which is tremendous. Safari is great and simple just as the all the Apple devices. But they are simple. Meaning even with jailbreak there are things that you still can't customize. And so e things you pay a large price for doing so such as speed and stability.
The Tilt2 Now here's where they have it. The screen itself is beautiful. Works the best ive ever seen on a non apple device. I set them side by side and play the same movie hands down tilt2 screen wins.
I currently switch between my tilt2 and iPhone 3g trying to find the sweet spot on either device.
Welp. I'm spent.
Peace P.

69Pwned said:
If you jailbreak an iPhone, you can customize anything ..........
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Jailbreaking the phone ...yes you can customize everything but it'a B**tch to upgrade the Rom for the purpose of upgrading.
My brother has the phone and everything about the screen is right. ...and all those neat programs scream come over to iphone but the only thing that keeps me here time and time again is the XDA community.

those neat programs scream come over to iphone but the only thing that keeps me here time and time again is the XDA community.
Exactly.
That's what won't allow me to very far from HTC. I have been a at&t fan since the first tilt. This community has been fantastic. Not that the iPhone community has been bad but it's like your fighting with apple every step of the way to make your phone your phone. This is where HTC AND XDA have it all covered. Anytime I meet someone and they say wow you know a lot about this phone I say it's easy just go to XDA. that's where the funny looks begin.
Lol.

xredjokerx said:
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)
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I couldn't agree more, especially with the last statement. I also have an ipod touch (2G) and a rhodium (obviously) and i mostly use the ipod for games, music etc.
But when it comes down to more serious stuff, well I just can't do withouth the TP2
I do like the ipod touch - iphone screen, games and all, but I simply couldn't have it as a primary phone.
Personally I don't have any issue with either type of screen, I find they function very well, and just stated by a friend above, the only difference i spot is that one needs some pressure and the other doesn't.
Oh and I couldn't do without rhodium's hardware keyboard, in my opinion it's the best feature of this phone, and i don't intend to change it before an Leo with a keyboard (touch pro3?) comes around...
That's all from me
By the way (a bit offtopic), xredjokerx how do you broadcast wifi from the Rhodium? I mean what app are you using for that? It'll prolly come up handy for me

The iphone has a better screen, more apps, faster processor and graphics but the pro2 has the backing of Xda-Developers.
I prefer pro2.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
As far as resistive screens go, the Rhodium is as good as they get. Comparing it to a capacitive screen, in terms of sensitivity, is obviously not going to favor the Rhodium. However, I have an iPod Touch (1st generation), an iPhone (1st generation), and a Rhodium (obviously), and I can say that I almost prefer the Rhodium's screen, since it's much more precise and I can use my fingers, gloves, or a stylus for input. <--which is why I prefer resistive screens! The iPhone's screen is much more sensitive and does multitouch, both things I would love to have on the Rhodium, but the Rhodium's screen is more practical for my uses and fits my needs better. Plus, WM 6.5 combined with the massive screen size means I rarely have to use the stylus.
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I completely agree with this! Let's see an iPhone user wear thick gloves while using their phone!
All I can say is:
Capacitive screen: sensitivity
Resistive screen: practicality
What I really want to see is multitouch support on a resisitive screen. Then I would be really happy!

fuzzysig said:
after using this phone for about 12 days i can say that itouch/iphone requires no adjustment at all.
i havent used itouch before either the first time i held it in my hand it worked flawlessly.
there was not many missed buttons and accidental clicks on the itouch.
capacitive screen is the way to go for finger operation.
but itouch and iphone also are made specifically for finger touch.
so all the buttons are bigger, the scroll bars are bigger.
on the touch pro 2 theres still million of checkboxes and scroll bars and buttons that are so tiny that you have to have baby size fingers in order to hit that button...
has anyone used an i phone theme for rhodium and see if it is more "finger friendly" theme even with resistive touch screen?
just like with any defice there will be people defending it.
windows vs apple vs linux.
american vs japanese vs german cars
vegetarians vs everyone else
intel vs amd
all these are made with different purpose in mind.
but the better analogy would be
programming in java and programming in assembly language
yes old school dudes that can pinpoint every component on their favorite motherboard and know what it does would say its the most direct programming language
but its old its hard to learn and takes forever to write something.
and you get java that sacrifices some precision in comands but gets the job done with less resources and headache.
my point is
everyone that keeps saying the capacitive and resistive is not much different is far from reality. they are different even though they are both touch screens.
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i want to give one advantage of the resistive screen and is the ability to draw with the stylus on the screen and write on it! (on the pro2 writing a message on the transcriber mode is a breeze, just like on a notebook) the capacitive ones dont have this ability yet! thats why the pro2 have the resistive one, remember is a business pda!!
the problem with the pro screen keyboard is not the screen is the software! i haved the same isues and solved them with the swipe keyboard! (remenber that the pro2 have a real keyboard and the i phone not!!)
try to instal the swipe keyboard! i installed it on my pro 2 and is the best screen keyboard i ever used! better than the i phone one!! you dont have to worry about pressing letters just swipe your finger over them and the word appears!(dont worry about going over the incorrect letter! it know what you mean) search for it here!!

I have owned a g1. I have a Ipod touch and zune hd<----capacitive screens I also have a wing and tp2..
i prefer the resistive screens of my wing & tp2 simply because i can use the screen multiple ways in stead of 1 way..which is your finger tip..it doesnt suprise me that apple would use capacitive so using the thing can be done 1 way..which is finger tip..apple has to controll everything..
i like using my finger nails to text on the screen and also when i where gloves at my job..
to me there is no real difference because i dont touch my screen that lightly that i wouldnt get a response..when i pick up my phone & use it, im not thinking about how soft or hard to press the screen..i just do it as 2nd nature it my screen responds evertime...multitouch isnt really a big deal for me eighter... its def not a deal breaker..i love my tp2 in everyway..

I used to have an iPod Touch and couldn't stand trying to type on the thing. I type much easier on the TP2's touchscreen. The other functions of the touch screen on the iPod, such as browsing and navigating through menus were better though. If someone could just make something to match the Safari browser...

xredjokerx said:
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)
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same here! EXACTLY... =]

Media and Business editions

Before all this came out there was word going around that there would be a media and a business edition. What happened to these rumors? Maybe the one we saw is the media edition and the business edition will be more like previous versions without all these restrictions.

Rumors aren't always (or even usually) right. It goes against the core beliefs of what MS has been saying for a while now. I was pretty sure the rumor was BS right from the start just from that alone. MS has been pushing the convergence of business and home, especially on phones. Yea, WM has been a far cry from that but this is their foray into changing that.
They can spin it saying WM 6.5.3 is the "business" version while WP7 is the "media" version but that's a stretch.

I will think that as well.
And I still believe and certain that there would be very good support and applications for business people on WP7.
- WP7 can handle Microsoft Exchange emails
- WP7 should be able to handle Microsoft Exchange calendar (if you watch the video demo, there are "red" and "blue" entries in the calendar, red for business)
- WP7 has Office hub, which means Microsoft Office, what else? Meaning Word and Excel, they are the most standard application. PowerPoint? I cannot think any reason it wont be supported.
- WP7 demo mentioned "specifically" for OneNote and SharePoint
- WP7 has access to MyPhone service to store files remotely (correct?)
- WP7 has decent web browser
- WP7 has calculator (and I am sure there will be better alternative from 3rd party)
What else do you want for doing business?
- Hardware keyboard, no brainer, it has been mentioned WP7 "could" have hardware keyboard.
- Remote Desktop application? This is just a remote viewer of Windows PC, this should be possible.
- Telnet/SSH?
RustyGrom said:
Rumors aren't always (or even usually) right. It goes against the core beliefs of what MS has been saying for a while now. I was pretty sure the rumor was BS right from the start just from that alone. MS has been pushing the convergence of business and home, especially on phones. Yea, WM has been a far cry from that but this is their foray into changing that.
They can spin it saying WM 6.5.3 is the "business" version while WP7 is the "media" version but that's a stretch.
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They were just rumors dude. As said, the OS demoed had both an Office Hub and a Zune hub. Everything needed for business and play. Think of it as Windows Ultimate, but the only version.
Microsoft already announced what they had, why bring this up?

Yeah I'm not following why many people think WM6.5/6.5.X is going to be the 'business line' of phones.
WP7S guidelines say no candybar hardware keyboard phones - fine (that may have just been a rumor, too lazy to look now.) That doesn't mean it's not suitable for 'business.' The slider keyboard or even virtual keyboard are sufficient as well (see the iPhone gaining acceptance in the enterprise.)
The Xbox Live hub? The emphasis on Zune? I'm sure it can be hidden away, still dormant in the background, but not so prominent on the front home screen.
I see no reason why WP7S couldn't be a business platform.

gogol said:
What else do you want for doing business?
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A stylus, no giant keyboard that takes up over half the screen [so you lose the overall context of the document] that I still can't type on, a screen I don't have to touch with my filthy fingers, not having to zoom in and out and pan all day to edit text....seeing as WP7 is going to be all capacitive and have giant space inefficient icons and menus, I can't see how it's going to be an improvement for anybody working with word/excel/outlook

There will be WP7S phone device that has hardware keyboard.
So don't worry with that half screen size virtual keyboard when you have hardware keyboard.
I believe it has been mentioned here by Joe from Microsoft:
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LauraFoy/First-Look-Windows-Phone-7-Series-Hands-on-Demo/
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A stylus, no giant keyboard that takes up over half the screen [so you lose the overall context of the document] that I still can't type on, a screen I don't have to touch with my filthy fingers, not having to zoom in and out and pan all day to edit text....seeing as WP7 is going to be all capacitive and have giant space inefficient icons and menus, I can't see how it's going to be an improvement for anybody working with word/excel/outlook
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Yea, but what about the multi-touch capacitive hardware specification they made. That's just silly, I prefer resistive touch screens because I like using a stylus I don't know why they'd limit their device to capacitive and alienate anyone that actually likes a precise stylus. Even if capacitive stylus do exist they're not as good, and they're sold separately from the device, so no more handy stylus storage on your phone.

gom99 said:
Yea, but what about the multi-touch capacitive hardware specification they made. That's just silly, I prefer resistive touch screens because I like using a stylus I don't know why they'd limit their device to capacitive and alienate anyone that actually likes a precise stylus.
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Where have you been during the last couple of years? Stylus is dead. It's going away, and won't be seen anywhere in two years from now.

vangrieg said:
Where have you been during the last couple of years? Stylus is dead. It's going away, and won't be seen anywhere in two years from now.
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While I know many people like and use capacitive screen, that doesn't mean that people like me don't exist that don't like smudging up their screen as the only means of interfacing with your device.
I occasionally touch my screen for small things like closing an application, changing tracks, etc. But that's with my finger nail. I don't like smudging up my display device, it seems counter productive to me. But if I intend to use my device for any prolonged period of time I like having the precise touch of a stylus as an option at the least.
But like I said, the issue isn't with capacitive devices existing, it's with stylus based interfacing disappearing when there's no real reason for it to go away. Even if it's a smaller segment of the market, it's part of the market nonetheless.
I actually like drawing on my phone, it's fun. I like being able to edit text that's very small because I have that precision I need. And I like not smudging up my screen with my clamy hands.

gom99 said:
if I intend to use my device for any prolonged period of time I like having the precise touch of a stylus as an option at the least.
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Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.

vangrieg said:
Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
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I agree your UI shouldn't depend on a precision tool. But you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Precision tools have their place. But There are things that are easier with a precision tool.
Copying and Pasting for instance is far easier with a stylus than your finger on text that's zoomed out.
Freehand notes are far better done with a stylus than your finger.
etc.
I'm sure the stylus will be back when resistive multitouch technology becomes better. The stylus makes sense for alot of scenarios.

vangrieg said:
Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
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imo you're making the mistake of conflating UI design to the type of screen. Yes, microsoft is making the right move by moving away from stylus only control to a better touch UI.
But do you think the wp7 UI would be totally different if a resistive screen would be allowed along with a capacitive screen as the input? I don't see pinch zoom as being the crux of the entire wp7 UI.

I swear the only thing I use my stylus for is to hit the reset button.

I use the stylus on my device everyday. Not exactly when I'm doing the day to day stuff. But when I'm in my Calc class I use a graphic calc software on my device called spacetime and it's much easier to use my pencil to type on the calculator then having to put it down then use my fingers. Once we get capacitive I'll be force to use my fingers. I'm not that mad about it though. It will just take some getting used to.

gom99 said:
But do you think the wp7 UI would be totally different if a resistive screen would be allowed along with a capacitive screen as the input? I don't see pinch zoom as being the crux of the entire wp7 UI.
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It would make a world of difference because some devices would have multitouch and others wouldn't. That's exactly the situation they are trying to avoid with their new approach.

vangrieg said:
It would make a world of difference because some devices would have multitouch and others wouldn't. That's exactly the situation they are trying to avoid with their new approach.
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I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required. I think the only feature that leverages multitouch is the pinch zoom. And I'm sure pinch zoom isn't the only method of zoom.

gom99 said:
I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required. I think the only feature that leverages multitouch is the pinch zoom. And I'm sure pinch zoom isn't the only method of zoom.
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If you're a developer writing a game... how do you design controls for some phones that have 4-point touch and others that are only 1?

RustyGrom said:
I swear the only thing I use my stylus for is to hit the reset button.
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Yea, but you're not me. I use my stylus whenever I use my device for more than just a touch or 2. I'm just making the case that different kinds of users exists so I don't know why they'd limit the input device like that.
Besides, am I to understand that this 3 button limit wp7 imposes means that you can't have volume buttons and customizable button like a voice command button, and Dpad?
If so that's pretty bad as well in tandem with a capacitive screen in winter/glove style scenarios.

gom99 said:
I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required.
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It's an official requirement, and even though you've only seen it for zooming, you should keep in mind that a successful consumer platform should also be a gaming platform. If MS wants to be big in mobile space they need games ported to WP7. And in order to have a chance here they'll need to avoid platform fragmentation at all costs.

[Q] Will having a smaller screen affect my experience

hello people,
okay im thinking of buying a WP7 device but but i can't decide between Omnia 7 or LG optimus 7,
i can get either one of them in 16gb, as i can just get the omnia 7 16gb from germany change the language to english and the optimus comes in 16gb only anyway so storage isn't problem
the only difference is that the omnia is bigger and has better screen according to people, but i dont really care about having/not having an SAMOLED while the lg looks slimmer and easier to hold, and alot of people have said the back and search button on the omnia is too sensitive so im guessing that would be bad when reading or playing games
so question 1; can you stick the omina in a skinny jeans while sticking an earphone in the head phone jack or is it too big?
2: would having a 3.8inch screen on the lg affect gaming and reading books on the phone as it seems almost all smartphones are required to have a 4.0inch or bigger screens

Well i have a Mozart because of its nice "pocket-size".
But i have to admit that the Omnias screen is really nice and has a lot of advantages while browsing/reading etc, but i prefer a phone which easily fits into my pocket because i am not reading or surfing all the time.
Seriously, most of the time your phone will be in your pocket, so you have to test out, which phone you prefer

I'm posting this from an LG quantum. I believe it has the smallest screen of all wp7's. I've checked out the focus, and to be honest I don't at all think my experience is any worse. Everything comes thru clear and looking very high res. And even that would be a plus of a smaller screen, higher pixel density.
These phones are very high end, I don't think screen size will make that much of a difference.
Oh and skinny jeans? Really? 2007 called, it wants its feminine douchebag fashion back.

Omnia7 has a better form factor and of course the amazing amoled, and IMHO it does matter. What I don't like with the optimus 7 is its home key button, it looks quite cheap and I believe it doesn't wake up the screen if pressed coming from sleep. As for the omnia7 back and search buttons, its true...being quite sensitive. I have a fried who has big hands and keeps on hitting it accidentally as he uses the device for browsing. For me, I already get the hang of using it without hitting it. So it takes a little getting used to but the pros outweigh the cons that's for sure especially if you say you can get the 16GB version. I only have the 8 but I'm I still have 2 GB left after all the stuff I have.
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I would go for the LG. I've had my HD7 for about a month and I hate the capacitive buttons more than I could have ever imagined hating them. I have to always be conscious of how I hold my phone because if your finger grazes the wrong part of the phone you'll get kicked out of whatever you were doing. I type way slower than I used to type on my much smaller iPhone because I need to be extra careful when I hit the space bar; if I overshoot it by a millimeter I hit the home key. I also type slower because I can't hold the phone with my optimal grip, the capacitive buttons force you to keep your hands clear of that area.
For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would prefer capacative buttons.

I would go for the LG just because it feels better built the Samsung is all plastic and feels a little cheap.
Screen size I think is negligible in this case as .2 inches isn't really a big deal. At least I don't think so.
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The size difference is about .5 I believe when you are comparing thinness.
I would say that the screen difference is neglectable at best.
Zaslav said:
I would go for the LG just because it feels better built the Samsung is all plastic and feels a little cheap.
Screen size I think is negligible in this case as .2 inches isn't really a big deal. At least I don't think so.
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Omnia 7 uses metal. Probably explains why it is 20g heavier than the Focus.

sure haven't said:
I'm posting this from an LG quantum. I believe it has the smallest screen of all wp7's. I've checked out the focus, and to be honest I don't at all think my experience is any worse. Everything comes thru clear and looking very high res. And even that would be a plus of a smaller screen, higher pixel density.
These phones are very high end, I don't think screen size will make that much of a difference.
Oh and skinny jeans? Really? 2007 called, it wants its feminine douchebag fashion back.
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yeah, first thing I thought of was the new Miller Light beer commercial.
geoken said:
I would go for the LG. I've had my HD7 for about a month and I hate the capacitive buttons more than I could have ever imagined hating them. I have to always be conscious of how I hold my phone because if your finger grazes the wrong part of the phone you'll get kicked out of whatever you were doing. I type way slower than I used to type on my much smaller iPhone because I need to be extra careful when I hit the space bar; if I overshoot it by a millimeter I hit the home key. I also type slower because I can't hold the phone with my optimal grip, the capacitive buttons force you to keep your hands clear of that area.
For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would prefer capacative buttons.
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agreed, capacitive buttons do suck.

geoken said:
I would go for the LG. I've had my HD7 for about a month and I hate the capacitive buttons more than I could have ever imagined hating them. I have to always be conscious of how I hold my phone because if your finger grazes the wrong part of the phone you'll get kicked out of whatever you were doing. I type way slower than I used to type on my much smaller iPhone because I need to be extra careful when I hit the space bar; if I overshoot it by a millimeter I hit the home key. I also type slower because I can't hold the phone with my optimal grip, the capacitive buttons force you to keep your hands clear of that area.
For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would prefer capacative buttons.
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Yeah actually at first I wondered why LG would make the home button on the quantum a physical button, but after reading about the sensitivity, and noticing how sensitive the back and search button on mine are, I'm glad they did. And I assume it was on purpose with this knowledge?

You can use the iPhone as a comparison, assuming you've used one. It has a 3.5" screen, and I find it's big enough for most tasks.

mcorrie1121 said:
You can use the iPhone as a comparison, assuming you've used one. It has a 3.5" screen, and I find it's big enough for most tasks.
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Big enough, sure, but 4.3in is better.

nrfitchett4 said:
Big enough, sure, but 4.3in is better.
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IMO 4" are better than 4.3" in this case HTC really has lost their way.
That said, I wish there was a Samsung device with a 4.3" (or perhaps even 4.5") screen.

i wanted to get the Samsung Omnia 7 just for the amoled screen. But 8GB of memory is too little for me so i got the HD7. The screen wasn't as bad as i expected (coming from the HD2) its really nice and colourful.

4,3? damn before i would buy that i would go for a 7" one
$10 credit card sized phone and serious touch tablet

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Big enough, sure, but 4.3in is better.
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My point wasn't that bigger was too big, but that if 3.5" isn't too small, then neither will 3.8/4" be.

Zaslav said:
I would go for the LG just because it feels better built the Samsung is all plastic and feels a little cheap.
Screen size I think is negligible in this case as .2 inches isn't really a big deal. At least I don't think so.
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The Omnia 7 has a more or less complete metal casing.

I'd get the LG Optimus 7. I compared it with the Samsung Omnia 7 in a store and I THINK THE SCREEN ON THE LG IS BETTER.
Why:
1)
Most OLED screens have a lower effective resolution than normal LCDs because they have fewer subpixels. If you compare both you will notice text on webpages etc is looking jagged on OLED displays and much smoother on normal LCDs.
Search for "pentile matrix" on google.
2)
OLED screens consume big amounts of power when the image is very bright (black text on white background like on most web pages). To reduce power the OLED is auto-reducing brightness if an image with many white areas is displayed. WTF! This would p*ss me off. At least the store units did this and changed brightness while scrolling from dark areas to bright areas on a web page.
3)
OK the black levels on OLED are better but the LG's arent that bad.
Viewing angles arent good on the LG but I dont notice this at all in daily use.
Other points:
4)
Hardware buttons instead of touch (though the buttons arent that great but they do their job).
5)
Many free LG exclusive apps available.
6)
Hacking: Integrated MFG-tool with many options like a basic registry editor without unlocking (unlock works fine btw).
I bought an Optimus 7 and its working quite well. Second on my list was the Mozart which is also very nice, but I activated the capacitive search button by mistake all the time while testing.
Optimus 7 downsides:
-Headphone out has sligtly audible background noise, even more when on an active GPRS connection
-My device creaks a bit if you press it in between your fingers with force
-Pinkish spot in center of pictures taken with camera
-Supplied headphones are a piece of **** at least compared to my Koss Porta Pro
-First unit had broken bluetooth, had to send it in for repairs, now its ok
-Ringer volume is kinda low (no secondary speaker)

[Up your Screens touch sensitivity] --- On par with Apple. Finally.

I know some may be thinking, "WHAT?! Did he really say Apple?" - Yea yea yea...yes I did.
In my humble opinion, although the Galaxy line of phones were superior than the iphone, the one thing that just kept getting under my skin was the fact that the touch screen on the Galaxy's were just not on par with the iphone or any of apples products, ipad, heck even the ipods etc.... --- Well until now with S4's amazing new screen technology and its amazing response.
(Long story short, the touch screen technology on apple products were invented by a South Korean who eventually sold the technology to the military. Samsung is South Korean and so is LG who makes apples ips screens.)
The screen on the S4 is unarguably the best screen out to date and the response is just microns shy of being on par with apples screen response. Now if you go to settings you'll find a setting to set the screen sensitivity even higher, which will give you screen response that is ON PAR with apples, which is amazing. In fact, in a lot of ways it is better.
The new screen response technology on the S4 is astonishing, especially how you can use something small as as paper clip to navigate around. Try sliding the edge of your pinky finger nail and see how well it responds with very little lag. With the sensitivity turned up it will perform even better.
Anyhow, I'm very pleased to be able to put my silent pet peeve to rest about the touch response. Samsung's finally done it. Not that it couldn't have before, but it's finally here....and gratefully on the S4.
Note: I'm Apple everything except the iphone.

I can't say anything about iPhones, but the sensitivity is a massive jump up from my sgs2. Now I'm spoiled forever.
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Yup, it's a whole new ballgame. :good:
RGD622 said:
I can't say anything about iPhones, but the sensitivity is a massive jump up from my sgs2. Now I'm spoiled forever.
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iunlock said:
I know some may be thinking, "WHAT?! Did he really say Apple?" - Yea yea yea...yes I did.
In my humble opinion, although the Galaxy line of phones were superior than the iphone, the one thing that just kept getting under my skin was the fact that the touch screen on the Galaxy's were just not on par with the iphone or any of apples products, ipad, heck even the ipods etc.... --- Well until now with S4's amazing new screen technology and its amazing response.
(Long story short, the touch screen technology on apple products were invented by a South Korean who eventually sold the technology to the military. Samsung is South Korean and so is LG who makes apples ips screens.)
The screen on the S4 is unarguably the best screen out to date and the response is just microns shy of being on par with apples screen response. Now if you go to settings you'll find a setting to set the screen sensitivity even higher, which will give you screen response that is ON PAR with apples, which is amazing. In fact, in a lot of ways it is better.
The new screen response technology on the S4 is astonishing, especially how you can use something small as as paper clip to navigate around. Try sliding the edge of your pinky finger nail and see how well it responds with very little lag. With the sensitivity turned up it will perform even better.
Anyhow, I'm very pleased to be able to put my silent pet peeve to rest about the touch response. Samsung's finally done it. Not that it couldn't have before, but it's finally here....and gratefully on the S4.
Note: I'm Apple everything except the iphone.
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iPhone's sensitivity is not that great OP.

Does that setting drain battery? Also it says if you have gloves, so if I turn it on, will it be more responsive to my touches then it already is?
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There's somethings you just can't deny my friend. One of them being that the touch screen on the apples were superior until now.
Your statement is pretty LOL
SunnyChrono6 said:
iPhone's sensitivity is not that great OP.
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