Before all this came out there was word going around that there would be a media and a business edition. What happened to these rumors? Maybe the one we saw is the media edition and the business edition will be more like previous versions without all these restrictions.
Rumors aren't always (or even usually) right. It goes against the core beliefs of what MS has been saying for a while now. I was pretty sure the rumor was BS right from the start just from that alone. MS has been pushing the convergence of business and home, especially on phones. Yea, WM has been a far cry from that but this is their foray into changing that.
They can spin it saying WM 6.5.3 is the "business" version while WP7 is the "media" version but that's a stretch.
I will think that as well.
And I still believe and certain that there would be very good support and applications for business people on WP7.
- WP7 can handle Microsoft Exchange emails
- WP7 should be able to handle Microsoft Exchange calendar (if you watch the video demo, there are "red" and "blue" entries in the calendar, red for business)
- WP7 has Office hub, which means Microsoft Office, what else? Meaning Word and Excel, they are the most standard application. PowerPoint? I cannot think any reason it wont be supported.
- WP7 demo mentioned "specifically" for OneNote and SharePoint
- WP7 has access to MyPhone service to store files remotely (correct?)
- WP7 has decent web browser
- WP7 has calculator (and I am sure there will be better alternative from 3rd party)
What else do you want for doing business?
- Hardware keyboard, no brainer, it has been mentioned WP7 "could" have hardware keyboard.
- Remote Desktop application? This is just a remote viewer of Windows PC, this should be possible.
- Telnet/SSH?
RustyGrom said:
Rumors aren't always (or even usually) right. It goes against the core beliefs of what MS has been saying for a while now. I was pretty sure the rumor was BS right from the start just from that alone. MS has been pushing the convergence of business and home, especially on phones. Yea, WM has been a far cry from that but this is their foray into changing that.
They can spin it saying WM 6.5.3 is the "business" version while WP7 is the "media" version but that's a stretch.
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They were just rumors dude. As said, the OS demoed had both an Office Hub and a Zune hub. Everything needed for business and play. Think of it as Windows Ultimate, but the only version.
Microsoft already announced what they had, why bring this up?
Yeah I'm not following why many people think WM6.5/6.5.X is going to be the 'business line' of phones.
WP7S guidelines say no candybar hardware keyboard phones - fine (that may have just been a rumor, too lazy to look now.) That doesn't mean it's not suitable for 'business.' The slider keyboard or even virtual keyboard are sufficient as well (see the iPhone gaining acceptance in the enterprise.)
The Xbox Live hub? The emphasis on Zune? I'm sure it can be hidden away, still dormant in the background, but not so prominent on the front home screen.
I see no reason why WP7S couldn't be a business platform.
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A stylus, no giant keyboard that takes up over half the screen [so you lose the overall context of the document] that I still can't type on, a screen I don't have to touch with my filthy fingers, not having to zoom in and out and pan all day to edit text....seeing as WP7 is going to be all capacitive and have giant space inefficient icons and menus, I can't see how it's going to be an improvement for anybody working with word/excel/outlook
There will be WP7S phone device that has hardware keyboard.
So don't worry with that half screen size virtual keyboard when you have hardware keyboard.
I believe it has been mentioned here by Joe from Microsoft:
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LauraFoy/First-Look-Windows-Phone-7-Series-Hands-on-Demo/
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A stylus, no giant keyboard that takes up over half the screen [so you lose the overall context of the document] that I still can't type on, a screen I don't have to touch with my filthy fingers, not having to zoom in and out and pan all day to edit text....seeing as WP7 is going to be all capacitive and have giant space inefficient icons and menus, I can't see how it's going to be an improvement for anybody working with word/excel/outlook
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Yea, but what about the multi-touch capacitive hardware specification they made. That's just silly, I prefer resistive touch screens because I like using a stylus I don't know why they'd limit their device to capacitive and alienate anyone that actually likes a precise stylus. Even if capacitive stylus do exist they're not as good, and they're sold separately from the device, so no more handy stylus storage on your phone.
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Yea, but what about the multi-touch capacitive hardware specification they made. That's just silly, I prefer resistive touch screens because I like using a stylus I don't know why they'd limit their device to capacitive and alienate anyone that actually likes a precise stylus.
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Where have you been during the last couple of years? Stylus is dead. It's going away, and won't be seen anywhere in two years from now.
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Where have you been during the last couple of years? Stylus is dead. It's going away, and won't be seen anywhere in two years from now.
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While I know many people like and use capacitive screen, that doesn't mean that people like me don't exist that don't like smudging up their screen as the only means of interfacing with your device.
I occasionally touch my screen for small things like closing an application, changing tracks, etc. But that's with my finger nail. I don't like smudging up my display device, it seems counter productive to me. But if I intend to use my device for any prolonged period of time I like having the precise touch of a stylus as an option at the least.
But like I said, the issue isn't with capacitive devices existing, it's with stylus based interfacing disappearing when there's no real reason for it to go away. Even if it's a smaller segment of the market, it's part of the market nonetheless.
I actually like drawing on my phone, it's fun. I like being able to edit text that's very small because I have that precision I need. And I like not smudging up my screen with my clamy hands.
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if I intend to use my device for any prolonged period of time I like having the precise touch of a stylus as an option at the least.
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Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
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Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
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I agree your UI shouldn't depend on a precision tool. But you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Precision tools have their place. But There are things that are easier with a precision tool.
Copying and Pasting for instance is far easier with a stylus than your finger on text that's zoomed out.
Freehand notes are far better done with a stylus than your finger.
etc.
I'm sure the stylus will be back when resistive multitouch technology becomes better. The stylus makes sense for alot of scenarios.
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Well, in that case you have to be very careful with whatever device you have because in a couple of years you won't find a replacement for it, sorry.
MS is of course doing the right thing here as they want to not allow interfaces that require the kind of precision you like so much.
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imo you're making the mistake of conflating UI design to the type of screen. Yes, microsoft is making the right move by moving away from stylus only control to a better touch UI.
But do you think the wp7 UI would be totally different if a resistive screen would be allowed along with a capacitive screen as the input? I don't see pinch zoom as being the crux of the entire wp7 UI.
I swear the only thing I use my stylus for is to hit the reset button.
I use the stylus on my device everyday. Not exactly when I'm doing the day to day stuff. But when I'm in my Calc class I use a graphic calc software on my device called spacetime and it's much easier to use my pencil to type on the calculator then having to put it down then use my fingers. Once we get capacitive I'll be force to use my fingers. I'm not that mad about it though. It will just take some getting used to.
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But do you think the wp7 UI would be totally different if a resistive screen would be allowed along with a capacitive screen as the input? I don't see pinch zoom as being the crux of the entire wp7 UI.
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It would make a world of difference because some devices would have multitouch and others wouldn't. That's exactly the situation they are trying to avoid with their new approach.
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It would make a world of difference because some devices would have multitouch and others wouldn't. That's exactly the situation they are trying to avoid with their new approach.
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I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required. I think the only feature that leverages multitouch is the pinch zoom. And I'm sure pinch zoom isn't the only method of zoom.
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I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required. I think the only feature that leverages multitouch is the pinch zoom. And I'm sure pinch zoom isn't the only method of zoom.
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If you're a developer writing a game... how do you design controls for some phones that have 4-point touch and others that are only 1?
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I swear the only thing I use my stylus for is to hit the reset button.
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Yea, but you're not me. I use my stylus whenever I use my device for more than just a touch or 2. I'm just making the case that different kinds of users exists so I don't know why they'd limit the input device like that.
Besides, am I to understand that this 3 button limit wp7 imposes means that you can't have volume buttons and customizable button like a voice command button, and Dpad?
If so that's pretty bad as well in tandem with a capacitive screen in winter/glove style scenarios.
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I have not seen anywhere in the entire UI that multitouch was required.
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It's an official requirement, and even though you've only seen it for zooming, you should keep in mind that a successful consumer platform should also be a gaming platform. If MS wants to be big in mobile space they need games ported to WP7. And in order to have a chance here they'll need to avoid platform fragmentation at all costs.
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Just felt like writing about my experience using an Apple Iphone in comparison to the many WM devices I've used over the years. Was over at a friends house today and got a chance to play around with his Apple Iphone. While I'm not ready to give up my WM HTC Trinity with it's advantage of push/exchange integration and abundance of 3rd party apps, there were some things about the IPhone that left me a bit envious.
First was the physical dimensions of the Iphone, while a bit big compared to my Trinity the thinness of the device made it feel a hell of a lot smaller. I was picturing a wallet type hard case for it that would allow me to fit it into my back pocket or inside jacket pocket without it bulging out.
Second was the overall look and feel of the interface, all the applications were well blended into the theme and the little effects made using it quite enjoyable. There was a little lag calling up apps from time to time but overall I found it to be a lot snappier when calling up an app. A lot different from Windows Mobile devices, just take the WM Calculator as an example, even after all these years looks like something that came out of Windows 3.1. Microsoft really needs to get rid of that PC minded interface and make something much easier to use.
Now the thing that impressed me the most was solid feeling and sensitivity of the IPhone touch screen. The sensitivity was very very impressive. I did a comparison with the IPhone and my Trinity side by side pressing keys on their respective calculators to see how much pressure it took, no matter how slowly and softly I tried pressing the Iphone the second I felt my finger touch the screen I got an instant response. Doing the same with the Trinity provided a harder press and it wasn't always consistent. I tried the same test on the Trinity using the stylus trying to press it ever so slightly to get feedback but it always took a bit more inconsistent pressure. Unlike the Iphone touch screen which felt solid to the touch, the you could feel the Trinity screen indenting slightly.
I think Apple is still years away from catching up with WM devices in regards to 3rd party software and improvements to their built in applications and we know Microsoft is going to update the overall look of WM in the next version but if anything good comes out of the Iphone competition, I hope WM manufactures like HTC and others will start improving the overall designs of their devices with thinner dimensions and more importantly better quality touch screens. HTC making a piece of software and touting it as a new Touch technology just doesn't cut it, what they really need is to start using a screen that is sensitive to the touch with a finger. TouchFlo is a nice to have but it's just layered over a Desktop Computer like interface and the screen isn't sensitive enough to get 100% response to what you're doing every single time like the Iphone.
I've been thinking recently of upgrading to an Ultimate 8150 for the fact that it has a hardware keyboard, reason being I just never found the finger method of using a WM5 device to be all that great and I hate pulling out my stylus to dial a number ect. After using the Iphone, except for the advantages of a hardware keyboard when needing to dial an extension or tapping out a quick sms in certain circumstances like driving or not being able to look at your device, I would have probably been more than happy with the touch screen if it had the same quality touch screen as the one found in the Iphone.
There's a reason why Apple's touch screen tech isn't used by many other devices...and about a year or less from now we'll start to see why.
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Sto...405B-A7C8-02A1126093CE}&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo
I have been debating giving my opionion here because I feel like I have gone to the dark side.. I have used a WM device for about 2 years and owned about every variant (not really but it seems like it). My latest being the Touch. I thought the Touch would be a phone that would make me not want the iPhone, but I was wrong. I finally gave in about a month ago when I realized that I spent most of my free time tweaking the Touch to work like an iPhone - or rather make it easy to use.
Here is my not-so-quick breakdown comparing my iPhone (unlocked and highly tweaked) to the Touch (with out of box ROM, but MUCH customization):
Phone itself: As listed above, the touchsceen is the clincher. The iPhone has a capacitance rather than resistance display. When I go back to the Touch from the iPhone, I feel like I am pressing the heck out of the display or I have to remember to try and use my fingernails (that I don't have). Screen size and resolution is not even close. The iPhone can even be seen in the daylight, as compared to the Touch that is almost worthless outside. Overall size, however, the Touch is smaller, lighter and if all I was going to do is make calls, I would prefer the Touch. The iPhone does have much better side volume keys and the switch to togle from ringer to silent is much better. I thought I would miss not having as many hard keys on the iPhone, but the only one I kind of miss is a dedicated camera button. It is a little tough to take pictures when the capture button is on the touchscreen. I would say the finish on the Touch is more durable and if you were hard user (i.e. outdoors) I would not have an iPhone. The metal back and chrome bezel around the screen scratch very easy. The only durability problem I have had with the Touch are some light scratches on the display from being in my pocket. I'm sure some kind of plastic polishing compound would fix it, though.
e-mail: Yes, the iPhone can do corporate exchange mail. This was the final frontier for me and the iPhone. With my company turning on IMAP with SSL, I am able to get e-mail from our company exchange server. No, it is not push, but every 15minutes is fine for me. It does reconcile nicely, with the exeption of not removing deleted mail from servier that is deleted on the device. I find it somewhat pathetic that the e-mail and attatchments I get on the iPhone look and opperate 10 times better than WM. Once you see HTML mail on the iPhone, it is hard to go back to WM. Yes, the Touch has many more features that some can't do without. I won't deny I miss a couple of them, like corporate address lookup and complete push syncing. I don't know that I have ever had to edit an attachment on my mobile, so only being able to view attachements doesn't bother me.
The keyboard: Over the weekend I did a little keyboard showdown because I was curious about how close the overall typing time would compare between some of my devices with hard keyboards and some with soft keyboards. The bottom line is that in my test, yes I could type faster on a hard keyboard. The HTC S621/Excalibar was the fastest at 1 minute 12 seconds for my test text. In comparison, however I was able to do 1:17 with the iPhone and 1:19 with the Touch (pocketCM keyboard and my iPhone color skin). Given that with the Wizard and Herald - both hard keyboards, I was at 1:14/1:15, I was very impressed with the speed and accuracy of the iPhone keyboard. It would be nice to have landscape keyboard support on the iPhone for all text entry, not just Safari.
3rd party apps: I am using some great apps on the iPhone that overcome some of the 1st generation problems that were publisized. I have IM, a todo/task program and full homescreen customization (custom icons, wallpaper, etc). With the "installer" app that can be loaded on the iPhone, you can even install and uninstall apps and custom graphics, ringtones, etc. from the device. To me, I used to find it fun customizing WM devices, but now it is almost frustrating compared to how easy I can see results on the iPhone.
Stock apps: Again, not to bash WM, but it's not even close. The calendar app syncs perfectly with my PC and Outlook. As do the my contacts. The weather widget is great and I also have a safari shortcut to accuweather that shows live radar and infrared views. Notes are much easier to see and edit than the "Notes" program on WM or OneNoteMobile or Notepad. GoogleMaps is close to the WM equivilant although not being able to use GPS (with my Trinity) or a Bluetooth puck, the WM version does have some advantages. I have not tried the 3rd party app for the iPhone called Navizon. Apparently it uses cell site information to triangulate your position. YouTube is amazing. iPod, duh, is amazing with coverflow. Safari is by far the best mobile internet browser - period - Yes I have used Pixel and Opera for WM devices. With the new HTC Album program, photos as now close to the iPhone, but... Threaded SMS is still better on the iPhone than any of the threaded SMS apps I have seen on WM. I think you get the picture...
Processor: 600+mhz on the iPhone vs. 201 on the Touch or even 400 on the Trinity. Even with the Touch overclocked to 273 and closing out apps when done, the Touch is so slugish compared to the iPhone. Think about it from the task management standpoint. YOU NEVER NEED TO CLOSE APPS on the iPhone. You just hit the home button and go to the next. This doesn't sound big, but trust me it is very liberating to not worry about closing apps. Did I mention video streaming or video playback? Again not even close, even comaring it to the Trinity.
Battery: Honestly I don't know how Apple did it. This think has a bigger display, faster processor, (relatively) huge internal memory to access and somehow the battery life is much better on the iPhone than any of my (touchscreen) WM devices. With both the Trinity and Touch I have to charge them every night, regardless of being charged throughout the day. The iPhone charges in the cradle throughout the day and I never charge it at night and usually (depending on if I am watching video or things that utilize the display) not charge the iPhone all weekend. The spec of 8 hours talk time, may just be accurate. I have made 2 hour plus conference calls and had the battery barely move.
"Mystery" dialing / answering: I know there are lock programs and the like on WM, but I have yet to find a solution that I like to prevent the phone ringing in my pocket and me accidentally answering it when the screen / keys turn on. I thought the iPhone "slide to unlock / answer" was a gimic when I first stared using the phone, but now I am sold - you can't accidentially answer a call and you can't accidentally call someone by forgetting to turn off the display (power button) and pressing the send key (on my Touch or Trinity, as I have done too many times). My wife uses a (Wasabi Green) Touch and has accidently called me many times. She swears something in her purse bumps the power button and then the send key gets bumped to redail me.
Rebooting: This is a comon occurance in WM, but I think I have only had to reboot the iPhone once since I have had it. And when you do turn off and on the iPhone: 2-5 seconds and it's off and it is back on in about 15 seconds (if you think that sounds long, time your WM device some time....).
Visual indicators on the main screen: While I know there are WM today plugs that can do this, I really like having a wifi signal meter and a bluetooth connection icon on the status bar.
Things that I don't like about the iPhone:
1. No copy, paste, select. I have learned to do without, but anytime I have to delete a large amount of text or type in the same thing more than twice, it gets a little annoying.
2. No stereo Bluetooth. This doesn't make any sense. This Apple's best iPod interface on a device that has Bluetooth and they don't set up A2DP? I have been able to use a Jabra BT adapter and it does stream stereo audio to my Motorola S9 headphones, but you can't use it with the phone and it gives you the annoying "this is not an approved iPhone accessory. Do you want to turn the phone off?" every time I plug in the adapter. WM does have the advantage hear, but going back to some high end wired headphones plugged into the iPhone give me AMAZING audio quality (I own B&W home speakers, so this not something I say lightly).
3. The camera is very limited in it's funtions. It is great if you are taking pictures of things that don't move in good lighting. If that is not the case (as with my 7 month old daughter that doesn't stay still for a minute), use another camera. There is no zoom, no lighting adjustment, no video capture, etc. Don't get me wrong, I use the camera quite a bit, so I wouldn't call it usesless, but compared to the same 2mp on the Touch and Trinity, they offer functions that I do miss on the iPhone.
Can't complain to much, but: as I don't live in an AT&T market (yes there are some in the US...), not having the visual voicemail is a little painful after seeing how cool it is. The good news is the phone does opperate exactly like my other phones when I do have voicemail. The indicator works. I press the voicemail icon and the iPhone calls my voicemail number (set by the SIM) and puts in my password. The keypad is visible to delete, save etc.
In my opinion, the iPhone will push Microsoft and the handset manufacturers to do better. Microsoft can publically denounce the iPhone all they want, but the fist day I saw a mouse connected to a PC I knew that sometimes even the mightly Microsoft can realize that somethings just make sense for everyone.
So, if you thought you knew everything about the iPhone, hopefully if you actually read all this you may have learned something new....
welcome to the dark side
from what i have read the A2DP mess is beause of the drm thingy going on..
anyhow it has been 1 month since i have even touched my jasjar (and i used to swear by it)
the only time i miss my old phone is when i want to go to a wap site, and win live maps..in which i can search using a persons name instead of an address
Guys,
I have been using HTC devices for many years now:
Pison 5MX, HP Jornada 720, HTC Alpin, HTC Trinity, HTC Kaiser and HTC Polaris!
The form factor of the new TP2 is brilliant.
HOWEVER, the keyboard is just not designed very efficiently for me because it is half of the size of the total width. Which means that the rear part is not used for the keyboard.
I would have preferred a FULL keyboard such as the one on the HTC Universal or on the Psion 5MX or Jornada 720!
I don't understand the point of designing a PDA with a built-in keyboard if the keyboard is just too small which makes it even not usuable. The one on the Kaiser was so small.
HTC produced the Universal with a full sized keyboard using the full width of the screen.
Why not on the newest models?
Any ideas?
I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?
I don't have a problem with the Keyboard size at all. I think it's just about perfect. My problem is the fact that they made the buttons much bigger and removed 10 keys from the original touch pro. Yeah, It makes it easier for some, but I know I'd rather have the keys. The keyboard still would have had really big buttons.
As a happy Universal owner I understand very well the point of sayborg.
As far as I know the only devices with great keyboards are:
Universal
Advantage
Shift
Toth (New)
But the last 3 options are too big...
I´m in the same interrogant? I want/need to upgrade my 2005 Universal but nothing I can see in the near future as a REAL replacement
TP2 is the closer one I can think
Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it
I don't know what to think about the keyboard yet. The buttons feel good, not slippery. The number keys at the top are a pain in the ass because the lip of the top layer is slightly overlapping making it just annoying enough to bug me. On screen keyboard is pretty tight. No complaints there.
DavidMc0 said:
I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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It's true that we aren't there yet, but as far as hardware I think the Rhodium is getting pretty dame close. Huge screen, sturdy construction, physical slideout keyboard, and a large enough screen that the onscreen finger keyboard is very usable. These are many things that I've been waiting for. The only thing that can make the design better is to make it thiner which will take so time in tech advancement.
I still think they shouldn't be losing some of the buttons they had on the titan/tilt style phones (d-pad and soft key hardware buttons). However, I'm probably not giving the usability of the touch interface enough credit.
As long as the software is up to par (hadware acceleration and strong usability) then it's all gravy. This is the device I've been waiting for for a long time. I'm also thinking that once it's been out a year or so The Android roms for it will be pretty advanced and very capable. Overall, this has a TON of potential and I think it will be the first phone I don't constantly look forward to the next version on.
I just hope against hope that they have enabled hardware acceleration on this phone. If we have another non-implemented 2D/3D driver while relying on CPU power for rendering gsnarfle... I'd be most unhappy.
That's one of the big reasons I'm looking to move away from my Mogul... while it's a decent phone, they seem to have shot it in the leg and then told it to go run a marathon.
It may be my ignorance to the matter, but I hope that all the touchflo3D phones have full hardware acceleration support!
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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well honestly I think I think if they used the whole width it would take up to much space be harder to reach the keys on the ends of the keyboard with your thumbs., and also the kaiser keyboard is not bad, it is very easy to type on for me and I can type fast, adn honestly I think they are making hte keyboards smaller cause its easier to use them on the go,
but look at a pic of the touch pro 2 keyaboard they did make it use mroe space, so they know what you mean it does make typing easier, but for phones with HUGE keyboards.. well most people dont want a phone that big but honestly they used almost all of the space on the touch pro 2 for the keyboard
The only thing that worries me is the lack of the windows key and the ok button. Those two will be missed greatly. Otherwise, I think the keyboard will be a huge improvement over my Mogul's.
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I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
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Eh sorry. While i havent used any touch device yet, i looked at the Universal, and one word jumped out at me.. Bulky. That thing just looks to big and clunky to be of any fluid use.
I was actually happy when i saw a pitcure of the TP2 keyboard. They keys look like a good size, and the bit of space between them i was happy to see because i toyed with the fuze/tilt and i fat-fingered with that keyboard enough to annoy me.
As far as removing keys... as Ranch Wilder would say..."Less is more". Just because a device as more keys/buttons doesn't mean its better. Take the Logitech G11 keyboard. They dumped a bunch of Macro keys on it, most of which never got used, and only made the keyboard take up more space. Their next version of the G15, the removed alot of the G keys (macro keys) to cut the size down, but there's still plenty to be useful.
I think its more a matter of people being use to so many keys, however i think the touch interface will more than make up for it. Plus i guess that puts me at and advantage where this will be my first phone with a keyboard.
If you feel the keys are too small, tell this to the Blackberry users.
I think the keyboard was stretched pretty close to the edges, I think its fine. the universal has a different target audience than the touch pro 2 if you want the PERFECT universal replacement I suggest this phone:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/shift/specification.html
but I never used or saw a universal so im not sure, but the shift is a really nice phone with a big keyboard and it has ALOT of speed, but it costs alot more than most phones and is wont fit in your pocket either but it seems like the perfect replacement plus it runs windows vista! a real os not a mobile one
and it has a finger print scanner built in whats not to like about that.
CAPS & Function Keys
I cannot imagine why the CAPS(shift) and Function keys are not reversed! Didn't the designers look at a computer keyboard?
So my question is - can the key functions be changed in the software and can the keycaps be popped off and switched?
orb3000 said:
Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it
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Alas, I have been wishing this for years...
when the original Universal came out, as a college student, I didn't have the means for a Universal...
All I can do now is hope...
Tell me guys.
Went from a tytn2 to a Raphael...
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
Never used a Hero.
The TP2 from T-Mobile is hands-down the best WM-based device I've ever had my paws on. You can pry it from my cold, dead fingers.....
Macedon2000 said:
Should I go for the Hero or TP2 ?
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Do you want a Windows Mobile phone with a brilliant physical keyboard and lots of neat business features that also does a reasonable job of multimedia, or do you want an Android-powered, multimedia-oriented device with a capacitive touchscreen that supports multi-touch, and which also does a reasonable job of business-oriented stuff? The two are really very different. It would make more sense to be having trouble deciding between a Hero an iPhone - they're much more similar in philosophy (IMO).
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
I was also thinking weather to go for hero or the touch pro2 but the touch pro2 has an amazing keyboard and watching movies on it look pretty impressive and i dont mind it not using a 3.5 mm jack as i use a stereo bluetooth headset. So i went for the touch pro2 and WOW im glad i did, im writing this from my touch pro 2 now.
It also has a reasonably good stock rom, the stock rom on my wizard was hopeless and if it wasnt for xda-developers i would never of had it for so long.
TP2 definetly, because the hardware keyboard that for me is a must!
The telephone conferencing and voice features are really good. Easy to setup and to use. Sound is good too. Credit to HTC for adding features that are fundamental to a what a good business phone should have.
I really don't like the way the Hero looks. Just for that I would go with the TP2.
Macedon2000 said:
i dint really get the difference between the two types of screens...capacitive and resistive.
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
I like my RAPH but i would like a bigger screen, better(faster/smoother) handling of multimedia(pics/music/video) like iPod on iPhone, sort of.
so its down to winmo or android.
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capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
I got the Tmobile Touch Pro2 and I am very happy with it - awesome screen size and acceptable thickness for a fullsize keyboard. hulu.com on skyfire for this screensize totally rocks. I have heard that the flash browser of Hero is slow, but then again - it hasn't been XDA-fied yet (not that I know of, anyway).
But I am in the same boat as you - want the Hero too!!!
Good news is that I have a work ATT phone that will be up for renewal in October, hopefully when the Hero comes in!
Can't really help you with your choice except say - go to the Tmobile store and see the TMobile touch pro2 in person.
And don't count out the diamond2 either.
It truly is a great time to have HTC shares....hmmm maybe I should be looking into that! lol!
poppinpengawen said:
capacitive screens are designed for finger-friendly touches. when you touch the screen with your finger, the press generates an electric stimulus that the phone reads as a press. capacitive screens can't use normal styli, so there is a loss in accuracy
resistive screens are designed for accuracy, due to the use of styli
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Resistive screens need to be pressed quite hard, while capacitive ones only need to be touched lightly. Capacitive screens tend to be more responsive, so they will probably track your finger better when scrolling, and there's less likely to be any ambiguity about whether you've pressed something or not. But the most significant difference (aside from the fact that you can't use a stylus with a capacitive screen) is that a capacitive screen, given appropiate OS support, can support multi-touch - that is, it can detect being pressed in more than one place at once.
So, on the Hero and iPhone if you're running (say) Google Earth, you can rotate the map by putting your thumb and forefinger on the screen and twisting your hand. You can also zoom in and out by putting thumb and forefinger either side of a section of the screen, then moving them together or apart. This is much more convenient and intuitive than the TP2's zoom bar.
Macedon2000 said:
I played a bit with an iPhone 3GS today and it felt really good...i like the iPhone because everything just works... but I got bored after 3min of playing with it.
just the thought of not being able to flash new roms etc. makes me puke.
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A jail-broken iPhone is actually pretty flexible.
I almost bought an iPhone rather than a TP2. It was really only the cost that put me off in the end. (Not the absolute cost, but it's too expensive for what it is). The user-interface design on an iPhone really is beautiful - it's not just that everything works, it's that everything works intuitively and quickly and neatly. The lack of a physical keyboard was also a problem for me (as I'm rather clumsy and have short, fat fingers) but the on-screen keyboard on an iPhone is the best I've seen; and the lower resolution of the screen (on iPhone or Hero) niggles a bit - for mobile web-browsing the extra screen res on a TP2 or Diamond2 really makes a difference for reading small text.
The call quality is also very good on a TP2 - I need phones to be clear and loud as I'm partially deaf. People hear you very clearly on the TP2 as well, thanks to the high-quality soise-cancelling microphones.
after using this phone for about 12 days i can say that itouch/iphone requires no adjustment at all.
i havent used itouch before either the first time i held it in my hand it worked flawlessly.
there was not many missed buttons and accidental clicks on the itouch.
capacitive screen is the way to go for finger operation.
but itouch and iphone also are made specifically for finger touch.
so all the buttons are bigger, the scroll bars are bigger.
on the touch pro 2 theres still million of checkboxes and scroll bars and buttons that are so tiny that you have to have baby size fingers in order to hit that button...
has anyone used an i phone theme for rhodium and see if it is more "finger friendly" theme even with resistive touch screen?
just like with any defice there will be people defending it.
windows vs apple vs linux.
american vs japanese vs german cars
vegetarians vs everyone else
intel vs amd
all these are made with different purpose in mind.
but the better analogy would be
programming in java and programming in assembly language
yes old school dudes that can pinpoint every component on their favorite motherboard and know what it does would say its the most direct programming language
but its old its hard to learn and takes forever to write something.
and you get java that sacrifices some precision in comands but gets the job done with less resources and headache.
my point is
everyone that keeps saying the capacitive and resistive is not much different is far from reality. they are different even though they are both touch screens.
i went off topic a lil
so the idea was if you have itouch or iphone and touch pro 2
post your experience in this topic so its not allover the board
and if you have a iphone theme installer that would be even better id love to hear how much difference does it make having bigger buttons on he screen
I actually cringe a bit every time someone refers to the iPod Touch as the "itouch". It just doesn't sound right...
Anyway, I have both the TP2 and an iPod Touch (2nd gen). The only difference in terms of the touch screen is that one requires pressure and the other doesn't. It's that simple and it's because of the capacitive vs resistive nature of the screens. I think they both work well enough for me.
Honestly, I'd prefer capacitive because then, the screen won't need a flexing membrane and would actually feel hard like glass. And multi-touch would enable full-speed typing on a landscape soft keyboard.
But I've no issues with the resistive screen on the TP2.
Just my 2 cents.
Nothing compares to the iPod Touch and iPhone screens.
They work flawless ........
Ipod Touch/Iphone has the better screen.
Touch Pro 2 is the better phone.
I had an Iphone.. hated the fact that I couldn't customize it to my liking, so I went to TP2.
Ky772 said:
Ipod Touch/Iphone has the better screen.
Touch Pro 2 is the better phone.
I had an Iphone.. hated the fact that I couldn't customize it to my liking, so I went to TP2.
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If you jailbreak an iPhone, you can customize anything ..........
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)
As far as resistive screens go, the Rhodium is as good as they get. Comparing it to a capacitive screen, in terms of sensitivity, is obviously not going to favor the Rhodium. However, I have an iPod Touch (1st generation), an iPhone (1st generation), and a Rhodium (obviously), and I can say that I almost prefer the Rhodium's screen, since it's much more precise and I can use my fingers, gloves, or a stylus for input. The iPhone's screen is much more sensitive and does multitouch, both things I would love to have on the Rhodium, but the Rhodium's screen is more practical for my uses and fits my needs better. Plus, WM 6.5 combined with the massive screen size means I rarely have to use the stylus.
For the overall package the Rhodium beats the iphone hands down. I have installed SPB Mobile Shell which expells any requirments for skinny fingers. In fact the Rhodium and mobile shell is an awesome combination.
....
Well not to beat a dead horse but I have a iPhone 3g a iPod touch 1st gen and what at&t calls a Tilt2.
As far as screens go there are none better than the apple devices. They have that safari and the app store. That's the extint of their lead. Which is tremendous. Safari is great and simple just as the all the Apple devices. But they are simple. Meaning even with jailbreak there are things that you still can't customize. And so e things you pay a large price for doing so such as speed and stability.
The Tilt2 Now here's where they have it. The screen itself is beautiful. Works the best ive ever seen on a non apple device. I set them side by side and play the same movie hands down tilt2 screen wins.
I currently switch between my tilt2 and iPhone 3g trying to find the sweet spot on either device.
Welp. I'm spent.
Peace P.
69Pwned said:
If you jailbreak an iPhone, you can customize anything ..........
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Jailbreaking the phone ...yes you can customize everything but it'a B**tch to upgrade the Rom for the purpose of upgrading.
My brother has the phone and everything about the screen is right. ...and all those neat programs scream come over to iphone but the only thing that keeps me here time and time again is the XDA community.
those neat programs scream come over to iphone but the only thing that keeps me here time and time again is the XDA community.
Exactly.
That's what won't allow me to very far from HTC. I have been a at&t fan since the first tilt. This community has been fantastic. Not that the iPhone community has been bad but it's like your fighting with apple every step of the way to make your phone your phone. This is where HTC AND XDA have it all covered. Anytime I meet someone and they say wow you know a lot about this phone I say it's easy just go to XDA. that's where the funny looks begin.
Lol.
xredjokerx said:
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
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I couldn't agree more, especially with the last statement. I also have an ipod touch (2G) and a rhodium (obviously) and i mostly use the ipod for games, music etc.
But when it comes down to more serious stuff, well I just can't do withouth the TP2
I do like the ipod touch - iphone screen, games and all, but I simply couldn't have it as a primary phone.
Personally I don't have any issue with either type of screen, I find they function very well, and just stated by a friend above, the only difference i spot is that one needs some pressure and the other doesn't.
Oh and I couldn't do without rhodium's hardware keyboard, in my opinion it's the best feature of this phone, and i don't intend to change it before an Leo with a keyboard (touch pro3?) comes around...
That's all from me
By the way (a bit offtopic), xredjokerx how do you broadcast wifi from the Rhodium? I mean what app are you using for that? It'll prolly come up handy for me
The iphone has a better screen, more apps, faster processor and graphics but the pro2 has the backing of Xda-Developers.
I prefer pro2.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
As far as resistive screens go, the Rhodium is as good as they get. Comparing it to a capacitive screen, in terms of sensitivity, is obviously not going to favor the Rhodium. However, I have an iPod Touch (1st generation), an iPhone (1st generation), and a Rhodium (obviously), and I can say that I almost prefer the Rhodium's screen, since it's much more precise and I can use my fingers, gloves, or a stylus for input. <--which is why I prefer resistive screens! The iPhone's screen is much more sensitive and does multitouch, both things I would love to have on the Rhodium, but the Rhodium's screen is more practical for my uses and fits my needs better. Plus, WM 6.5 combined with the massive screen size means I rarely have to use the stylus.
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I completely agree with this! Let's see an iPhone user wear thick gloves while using their phone!
All I can say is:
Capacitive screen: sensitivity
Resistive screen: practicality
What I really want to see is multitouch support on a resisitive screen. Then I would be really happy!
fuzzysig said:
after using this phone for about 12 days i can say that itouch/iphone requires no adjustment at all.
i havent used itouch before either the first time i held it in my hand it worked flawlessly.
there was not many missed buttons and accidental clicks on the itouch.
capacitive screen is the way to go for finger operation.
but itouch and iphone also are made specifically for finger touch.
so all the buttons are bigger, the scroll bars are bigger.
on the touch pro 2 theres still million of checkboxes and scroll bars and buttons that are so tiny that you have to have baby size fingers in order to hit that button...
has anyone used an i phone theme for rhodium and see if it is more "finger friendly" theme even with resistive touch screen?
just like with any defice there will be people defending it.
windows vs apple vs linux.
american vs japanese vs german cars
vegetarians vs everyone else
intel vs amd
all these are made with different purpose in mind.
but the better analogy would be
programming in java and programming in assembly language
yes old school dudes that can pinpoint every component on their favorite motherboard and know what it does would say its the most direct programming language
but its old its hard to learn and takes forever to write something.
and you get java that sacrifices some precision in comands but gets the job done with less resources and headache.
my point is
everyone that keeps saying the capacitive and resistive is not much different is far from reality. they are different even though they are both touch screens.
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i want to give one advantage of the resistive screen and is the ability to draw with the stylus on the screen and write on it! (on the pro2 writing a message on the transcriber mode is a breeze, just like on a notebook) the capacitive ones dont have this ability yet! thats why the pro2 have the resistive one, remember is a business pda!!
the problem with the pro screen keyboard is not the screen is the software! i haved the same isues and solved them with the swipe keyboard! (remenber that the pro2 have a real keyboard and the i phone not!!)
try to instal the swipe keyboard! i installed it on my pro 2 and is the best screen keyboard i ever used! better than the i phone one!! you dont have to worry about pressing letters just swipe your finger over them and the word appears!(dont worry about going over the incorrect letter! it know what you mean) search for it here!!
I have owned a g1. I have a Ipod touch and zune hd<----capacitive screens I also have a wing and tp2..
i prefer the resistive screens of my wing & tp2 simply because i can use the screen multiple ways in stead of 1 way..which is your finger tip..it doesnt suprise me that apple would use capacitive so using the thing can be done 1 way..which is finger tip..apple has to controll everything..
i like using my finger nails to text on the screen and also when i where gloves at my job..
to me there is no real difference because i dont touch my screen that lightly that i wouldnt get a response..when i pick up my phone & use it, im not thinking about how soft or hard to press the screen..i just do it as 2nd nature it my screen responds evertime...multitouch isnt really a big deal for me eighter... its def not a deal breaker..i love my tp2 in everyway..
I used to have an iPod Touch and couldn't stand trying to type on the thing. I type much easier on the TP2's touchscreen. The other functions of the touch screen on the iPod, such as browsing and navigating through menus were better though. If someone could just make something to match the Safari browser...
xredjokerx said:
first of all, its not an "itouch" its an ipod touch. do you hear people calling the other ipods "inano" or "iclassic"?
no, its ipod [SPACE] touch
anyway, i have both. regretfully, i like the ipod touch's functions so much more. however, modding the rhodium files and registry is easier because im more familiar with windows in general.
i also like the ipod touch screen more, and also the webbrowser, but i cant stand to not have a physical keyboard and that was the breaking point for me
i personally dont mind the rhodium screen, though it definitely isnt as finger friendly, and is also annoying to use with webbrowsers at times...
sometimes i just broadcast wifi and use my ipod touch safari browser
but i wouldnt rather have an iphone, i like physical keyboards.. and the rhodium one is really really good haha
rhodium (phone with good work capabilites (word, internet, email)
ipod touch (play device)
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same here! EXACTLY... =]
I've seen the fingers being used on the screen, and yes, this may be a dumb question, but watching the video again, I notice they never even mention a stylus.
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
I "said" it was a dumb question
TickLe MY eLMo said:
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
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I have a TP2 now, it has a stylus and a touch screen.
Hey, I was just asking because I was curious and no one had seemed to mention it.
Nope, there is "NO" stylus thank goodness
TickLe MY eLMo said:
well, no, it is a capacitive screen, there is no real need for a stylus, but i'm sure you could just buy one for the iphone and I'm sure it would work perfectly fine on the evo.
Honestly though, why you would think you even remotely need a stylus on such a huge beautiful screen, i don't know...
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I'm coming from the world of WinMo where I used a stylus to select text for cutting and pasting. How does one select text for cut & paste without a stylus?
DrawnToScale said:
I'm coming from the world of WinMo where I used a stylus to select text for cutting and pasting. How does one select text for cut & paste without a stylus?
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go use an iphone to see how and ive cut and paste on an iphone pretty decently and the EVO will have a bigger screen so itll be easier to cut on that and the EVO is capacittive touch pro 2 is resistive if you dont know the difference google
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
blitzer320 said:
go use an iphone to see how and ive cut and paste on an iphone pretty decently and the EVO will have a bigger screen so itll be easier to cut on that and the EVO is capacittive touch pro 2 is resistive if you dont know the difference google
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man, one huge long run on sentence. Trust me though OP, it is easy, i forgot how to specifically do it on android, but i'm sure it's easy.
Joecrack305 said:
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
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and that is as far as we need to go
I don't like the feel of the resistive screens. This one is much much better.
Resistive screens you have to push harder usually, capacitive ones detect fingers much better and require a very slight touch, however they don't detect hard objects like a stylus and such.
When I first got my HD2, the capacitive screen was so sensitive, in comparison to my Blackstone, I went kind of nutty.....but, a Winmo application was posted trough good ol' XDA to adjust the sensitivity to personal preference.
Te EVO is bound to be the same. No fingernails, the capacitive screen requires the touch of the finger.
Also, I have a capacitive stylist.....big as a pencil and quite unnecessary.
sanjsrik said:
i've seen the fingers being used on the screen, and yes, this may be a dumb question, but watching the video again, i notice they never even mention a stylus.
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what!!!
Capacitive touch screen!!!
Stylus!!!
What!!!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+the+evo+have+a+stylist
sorry but could not help myself........
wow, that was truly unhelpful
beerock said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+the+evo+have+a+stylist
sorry but could not help myself........
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I did exactly what you said and guess what the first hit is, "XDA-Developers".
it was an honest question and admitting that it may have been a dumb one was my first comment. I truly don't understand how some people "think" they're funny when just ignoring a question that they may think they're "above" is the better non-response.
Don't assume you're the smartest person in the room and the other people didn't first search for the answer. Your OWN example turned up THIS post started by me.
If you don't want to help, that's one thing, if you think making fun of someone else makes you better, that's something else entirely.
THIS is why people sometimes are afraid to ask questions in these forums for fear that people like you will make fun of them.
No question is waste of time if it hasn't been asked before, which funny enough mine hadn't.
Joecrack305 said:
your tp2 has a resistive screen which means it recognizes stylus and fingernails, capacitative screens do not.
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if I may....
this is the touchscreen controller in the EVO
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp?family_id=701&source=main_nav
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
Proximity channel support
also capacitive touchscreens can have stylus's....
http://www.eforcity.com/universal-touch-screen-stylus-for-apple-iphone-touch-black-dothxxxxst03.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronic...iTouch-Models/3275019/product.html?rcmndsrc=2
sanjsrik said:
I did exactly what you said and guess what the first hit is, "XDA-Developers".
it was an honest question and admitting that it may have been a dumb one was my first comment. I truly don't understand how some people "think" they're funny when just ignoring a question that they may think they're "above" is the better non-response.
Don't assume you're the smartest person in the room and the other people didn't first search for the answer. Your OWN example turned up THIS post started by me.
If you don't want to help, that's one thing, if you think making fun of someone else makes you better, that's something else entirely.
THIS is why people sometimes are afraid to ask questions in these forums for fear that people like you will make fun of them.
No question is waste of time if it hasn't been asked before, which funny enough mine hadn't.
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relax killer, I didnt even look and see what came up plus I spelled stylus wrong anyway... I was just joking around hence the smiley.... But I noticed that isnt easy to do anymore
Ok since I upset the OP (unintentionally) I figured I would help.... here is what I found when I actually did a correct search....
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=htc+EVO+stylus?
Hope it helps
johnsongrantr said:
if I may....
this is the touchscreen controller in the EVO
<urls removed due to my newbie status>
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
Proximity channel support
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You can't use a stylus or fingernail on the Incredible and it was also rumored to be using the same touchscreen. So until someone who has access to a unit says it works, I wouldn't count on using a non-conductive mechanism to interact with the EVO 4G.
URABUS0924 said:
You can't use a stylus or fingernail on the Incredible and it was also rumored to be using the same touchscreen. So until someone who has access to a unit says it works, I wouldn't count on using a non-conductive mechanism to interact with the EVO 4G.
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i guess the manufacturers of the controller are lying then