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[Q] Samsung Galaxy Nexus Release date on Verizon?

I've searched back a few pages but couldn't find, what date is this suppose to be released here in the US on Verizon?

Hasn't been announced yet. I've seen on various blogs that it should be week of 21st.

The rumor I'm holding to right now is the 21st. The Google contest seems to corroborate this.
Android Forums has a thread about the release date for Verizon and Droid Life has a leaked product release schedule (sorry, can't post links)

vespoid said:
The rumor I'm holding to right now is the 21st. The Google contest seems to corroborate this.
Android Forums has a thread about the release date for Verizon and Droid Life has a leaked product release schedule (sorry, can't post links)
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well the 21st would make a lot of sense.
They released the razor on the 11th (probably moved it back to Friday instead of monday because they thought it was cute to do the 11/11/11 thing)
then today on the 14th the rezound comes out, so a full week for that to sell and then the Nexus releases in time for holiday shopping. Hope it's true, I'm pumped for this phone.

latest rumor/update speculates 12/1...

We don't know. Most assume early next week.

dragonzsoul said:
latest rumor/update speculates 12/1...
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I am going to say false on the delay (opinion only). If there were big enough problems with the phone, then google would not have just released the source code. If it turns out to be true it is a marketing ploy to sell more razers and rezounds. I hope it is still releasing soon.

ElecEngineer1422 said:
I am going to say false on the delay (opinion only). If there were big enough problems with the phone, then google would not have just released the source code. If it turns out to be true it is a marketing ploy to sell more razers and rezounds. I hope it is still releasing soon.
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Just remember that on top of everything Samsung/Google are putting into the HSPA+ version, Verizon has to add their own network stack for CDMA/LTE and is notoriously long in the tooth on testing devices and software. I would not be surprised at all if there is a slight delay with the LTE version.

theandroidsite.com/2011/11/14/verizon-samsung-galaxy-nexus-spotted-amazon-priced-249-coming-1-2-weeks/
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According to another rumor it's going to be released on the 18th.
http://phandroid.com/2011/11/14/mor...s-will-be-released-this-friday-november-18th/

The Verizon store manager I talked to seems to confirm the rumor that it's pushed back to December. Not surprising since Verizon does take a long time to test devices on their network before releasing them, and might just explain why they still won't give us a date - the testing isn't done, so even they don't know.

Does anyone have an update on this or is it sill unknown?

POQbum said:
Does anyone have an update on this or is it sill unknown?
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Only thing known is Google/samsung screwed up.
Worst launch of a hyped device in recent memory.

xManMythLegend said:
Only thing known is Google/samsung screwed up.
Worst launch of a hyped device in recent memory.
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How, exactly, is that known? Nobody knows *what* is happening yet. Nobody knows when it was scheduled to launch, nor do they know when it will. Right now everything you hear is rumors...nothing is *known*.

hotleadsingerguy said:
How, exactly, is that known? Nobody knows *what* is happening yet. Nobody knows when it was scheduled to launch, nor do they know when it will. Right now everything you hear is rumors...nothing is *known*.
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I think everyone KNOWS Samsung/Google screwed up.
Not sure whats hard to comprehend about that. A huge opportunity was lost to make Galaxy Nexus a household name and steal a huge spotlight from iOS/iPhone4s. The fact there is no schedule and no dates is WHY they screwed up.
You do NOT run product launches like this. Especially after making a friggin event out of it.

They said it would be available in November... So far, that is accurate. While I too am a little annoyed, I think that's just due to my own impatience.
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xManMythLegend said:
I think everyone KNOWS Samsung/Google screwed up.
Not sure whats hard to comprehend about that. A huge opportunity was lost to make Galaxy Nexus a household name and steal a huge spotlight from iOS/iPhone4s. The fact there is no schedule and no dates is WHY they screwed up.
You do NOT run product launches like this. Especially after making a friggin event out of it.
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Well i have to disagree with you on that. I dont think voogle is trying to make a household name. Maybe samsung is but theyre only the manufacturer here. Google has messed up though by keeping us in the dark. They were more transparent and punctual before but the only official thing that came out was uk on the 17th and they have done that. But damn them for not giving us more details about unlocked hspa+ versions. And as much as i hate they gave verizon exclusivity in thedark usa, theyre even being mum with that.
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.

To fdm1: I recollect it was a little more honked up than that. Originally was said to be released about the same time as the new iphone, then a Google media announcement was set for early Oct got delayed for this reason and that and mid Oct was a surprise announcement in Hong Kong with little information release. The presentation was buggy, no info re: VZN, no estimates on pricing, no estimates on release dates, etc. And today a 16gb version is released in the UK but still no official word of a release date, pricing, or device specifics for the US.

xManMythLegend said:
I think everyone KNOWS Samsung/Google screwed up.
Not sure whats hard to comprehend about that. A huge opportunity was lost to make Galaxy Nexus a household name and steal a huge spotlight from iOS/iPhone4s. The fact there is no schedule and no dates is WHY they screwed up.
You do NOT run product launches like this. Especially after making a friggin event out of it.
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I completely disagree with you.
Google has no interest in making the Nexus line a house-hold name. Every Nexus launch has seen minimal advertising and a lower-number of units sold than most other high-profile phones.
What Google does with the Nexus line is give people that want a vanilla Android experience the chance to have just that. They aren't trying to "steal a huge spotlight" from Apple...
And there's no set "way" to run product launches. It's their company, their product, and they can do whatever they want with it. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean they messed up...it just means they didn't do what you wanted them to do.

hotleadsingerguy said:
I completely disagree with you.
Google has no interest in making the Nexus line a house-hold name. Every Nexus launch has seen minimal advertising and a lower-number of units sold than most other high-profile phones.
What Google does with the Nexus line is give people that want a vanilla Android experience the chance to have just that. They aren't trying to "steal a huge spotlight" from Apple...
And there's no set "way" to run product launches. It's their company, their product, and they can do whatever they want with it. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean they messed up...it just means they didn't do what you wanted them to do.
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You're kidding, right? Of course there's a way to properly run product launches and Apple is the model for it. They started that whole format of how companies now launch their major tech products. In some large room, inviting major media and tech bloggers, on a stage, with "cool" slides and demo's of what their product is capable of. Followed by snappy and eye catching ad's/marketing campaign and even an "accidental/unauthorized release of said tech" if they really want to drum up publicity.
You don't do what Google/Samsung has done. Talk about this great and awesome phone with the cutting edge OS with a cool name for a month or so. Leak enough details over the summer to get your base interested, then change the name, say nothing about the price or release date, and then expect to make a big impact on the market.
Lastly, they haven't done what ANYBODY has wanted so far with this launch. So you can't single out one person and say it's what he didn't want. I'd bet just about anything that no one who was (or is still) interested in this phone wanted what we've gotten from Google/Samsung and Verizon so far. I didn't sign up on that stupid launch page for Google to tease me with pictures or tell me 24hrs before the phone drops that it's actually coming out.

Verizon trolling the Nexus

I am starting to believe Verizon is pushing the date back to push more RAZR's and Rezounds. Some have said 11-21 and now this http://androidcommunity.com/latest-...ch-date-pushed-back-to-december-8th-20111118/ . Fun fun fun. Could be a legit photo or not, any thoughts team?

I honestly believe Verizon doesn't want the Nexus line of phones to succeed. Google made a huge mistake partnering with Verizon.

bleach168 said:
I honestly believe Verizon doesn't want the Nexus line of phones to succeed. Google made a huge mistake partnering with Verizon.
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Makes me wonder why do they even bother to pick the phone up? I mean I know Verizon wants to bloat the crud out of all their phones, lock booloaders up. There hasn't been much advertising for the Nexus either compared to say the Bionic and RAZR. Another main concern for them is probably the tethering issue for starters. That and they probably wont make as much money since they cant push their crapware market on the Nexus.

Or, you know, maybe Verizon is testing the device, making Google fix any bugs before it gets deployed, and thus don't know the exact date it'll be ready because new bugs may crop up.
Read some of the other threads here about the initial bugs people are experiencing. I'm actually kind of glad that Verizon is taking their time (assuming, of course, that they are really doing due diligence and not just trying to sell more RAZRs).
Also, the bugs being reported here seems to confirm this source: http://androidforums.com/samsung-ga...thread-12-8-release-date-648.html#post3478434
This source claims that Verizon was still testing the device and had bugs crop up, but they weren't serious enough to postpone the launch. Well, maybe it turned out to be more serious than they thought and they had to postpone it. Maybe it was the very same volume control bug being reported here...

I have also read reports that the phone is done, ready, and capable of being sold, BUT, VZW is holding off due the poor sales of the Razr & Rezound which of course why would they suck. Crippled, bloated, and forced to wait 9+ months post next OS or bug fix update no thanks.
While I am not loving my iP4S as much as I thought I would (can't wait to sell it and get a G-Nex ASAP) at least the OS updates come right out from Apple with NO CARRIER DELAY. This is the reason I want a Nexus device so I can do more and get more out of it especially with CM9 coming. Which is the way I will likely rely on updates and fixes and NOT Google/Verizon/Samsung.

zetsumeikuro said:
I am starting to believe Verizon is pushing the date back to push more RAZR's and Rezounds. Some have said 11-21 and now this http://androidcommunity.com/latest-...ch-date-pushed-back-to-december-8th-20111118/ . Fun fun fun. Could be a legit photo or not, any thoughts team?
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bleach168 said:
I honestly believe Verizon doesn't want the Nexus line of phones to succeed. Google made a huge mistake partnering with Verizon.
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Its a combination of both these things.
Google was either stupid or clueless. Knowing those two phones were coming then giving VZ exclusivity borders on the retarded.
When you see the success off the SGS2 its dumbfounding that Samsung would go along with there device being limited to a carrier with no interest in truly flags hipping there device.

Well,
looking at the handful of these that are out in action, and all the issues, I would doubt even the 8th for Verizon. I mean, they are not going to put a product out there if the end result is people just returning them. Especially in the US where VZ is the only drinking fountain for the Nexus.
Someone who is not in anticipation of the Nexus, wandering in to VZ, is going to see the face unlock and the dazzling screen, and say "cool, I want it!" Then when they wonder why there are issues with video and Flash, that they are used to, and if the power consumption of LTE mirrors that of the smaller battery non-LTE, they will want thier money back.
No one really knows what the extent of the issues are because there are just not that many of these phones in service yet. If and when VZ starts selling the Nexus, then you will see what the extent of the issues are, unless they take care of them prior to putting them out for sale.

MS + Carrier Woes :(

I have two bones to pick, one with MS, and one with Carriers:
First, MS promised small intermittent updates, and major updates at least once a year. For the most part they have delivered, in theory. We saw Mango around October of last year. Woohoo, it was great, started to fill the gap, but still left us wanting. We all eagerly anticipated what MS had up its sleeve next.
The same month they release a fitly update, 7.10.7740.16, that didn't really do much of anything, low and behold, ATT never rolled that one out....go figure....
There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79. Luckily this fixed my gmail sync issue, so that was nice. LTE support is a bonus, if you happen to be in one of the few areas ATT has such a service, no luck for me though. Again, ATT didn't bother with this one, so I had to manually push it.
We start finally hearing some details about Tango in March. Come to find out, its really just an MS push into emerging markets, and really won't add anything new except for some additional SMS capabilities. This update starts to roll out in June. If it were up to ATT, i would still be running 7720, a full three versions, and 9 months old. Not with the help of XDA though....
Its not that I really need the updates, again, they don't really do anything, the change log list is either incredibly omissive or simply childish in length. its the principle. You promised me updates, I want them dammit! And I want them now! Preferably with some actual updates....that is....How about MS and Nokia get together and work towards fixing this shoddy camera quality you shipped the Lumia with??? People might actually appreciate that work....
Now to WP8. MS totally screws us with this, as all we are ending up getting is an ugly home screen update....Thanks a lot, my 3 month old Lumia salutes you, as does its infantile ATT 2 year contract. But you stuck with your promise, a major update once a year. Looks like we will be seeing Apollo around when Mango was shipped last year. Guess we can't argue with that logic...
Could be worse I suppose. I could have an Android device with a 9 month and standing promise to update to ICS.....o that's right....that's exactly what I have with ATT.....bah humbug....except ATT hasn't actually promised any updates at all, and customers will probably never see Tango. At least we can look on the bright side, the updates don't actually do anything anyway, so no harm no foul, right?
Anyway, in a total of the 9 months since MS officially released Mango, we have gotten 3 quasi-widely pushed updates, so long as you are not an ATT customer that is (ok MS seems to be doing what they promised), however, in said time, the only real additions were two bug fixes and some SMS bull. 9 months in the making.....really??? Granted they must be spending a lot of resources on WP8, and its great that they are developing the platform and pushing it further, but how does that help me???? Absolutely in no way shape or form.
For comparison (and simply that) ICS was released right along with Mango, and they have rolled out three updates (unlike MS these actually did things and improved the OS substantially), and are now on a major refresh after 9 months, Jelly Bean. My comparison ends there.....
And what about the Carriers??? I took me a total of 10 minutes a piece to deliver myself each of the updates we have gotten our hands on here. WTF are the carriers doing with my money??? Surely not expanding its LTE network, and surely not building new towers so I can actually get a bar or two at work....god forbid...
Androids Carrier/OEM problem is probably even worse than what I have seen from ATT and MS, and Apples updates seems to break more than they fix, but I really feel like MS has kicked us to the curb not only with promised updates, but also with the WP8 announcement.
/end rant
I will stick with MS, and will probably use my wife's upgrade to deliver me a WP8 phone late this year, simply because there is no better options. What OEMs do to Android should be a crime, and I cant bring myself to support the tyrant that is Apple, nor jump on its fanboy bandwagon. WP is truly a superior product, even if it still lacks a few bells and whistles. Anyone who actually cares about their experience cannot deny that.
But seriously MS, you are letting us down. Its because of people like me that this thing is still afloat, and you are treating me like a red headed step child. Get with it already!
If you are still with me, thanks for reading, hope to see any thoughtful comments offered.

emjlr3 said:
There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79.
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Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.

karan1203 said:
Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.
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More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.

At&t is supposedly starting to roll out Tango on some of their Windows Phones.
As far as you just getting your Lumia goes, I wish Nokia and/or Microsoft would implement some trade-up program. That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.

I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
Guess AT&T did not get or agree with that memo...
The way I see it blame falls on the AT&T death star.

More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.
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yes ATT has been horrible, but what can one do that really matters? Verizon I have heard hasn't been much better - they are used to A. Apple pushing its own updates, and letting them have their way, and B. not giving a **** about Android updates, because it takes OEMS 9 months to "refresh" their skins.
That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.
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Nokia lost and arm and a leg giving away the Lumia for $100, and then for free, not so sure they could survive another such Apocalypse only a few months later.
I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
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if that is the case, there was probably verbiage in there delineating the option to only major rehashes - but seriously, the Carriers have nothing to do, just push it?!?!?!

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Do you have to use the word "end" if you're already using a forward slash to close the "rant" tag? Just wondering

no clue, I am a biochemist, not a computer programmer

The AT&T death star has already gotten the $$ from the sale of the phones. Updates do not create income so it is low on the radar. Besides death stars only want to deal with planets.
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well they didn't make **** off my phone sale, now aside from that stupid contract price I pay every month....

[FIRE SALE!] Tapatalk 4

This was posted everywhere else but in here, so I figured I'd bring it here too.
I got a notification from Google Play that this app was on sale for 99 cents for the next week. Highly recommended since most people use either the XDA application or Tapatalk.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkHD&hl=en

Lol! Beat ya to it! Just not in its own thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44585402
For some reason though it won't let me buy the thing!!! :banghead:
Sent from my SGH-T999 using xda premium

Just bought the app and man this app is sweet! Looks great on Illusion with a custom theme. Really smooth transitions and so many features. Highly recommend this app and for a buck, its totally worth it. Thanks for bringing it up!
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TheLastSidekick said:
This was posted everywhere else but in here, so I figured I'd bring it here too.
I got a notification from Google Play that this app was on sale for 99 cents for the next week. Highly recommended since most people use either the XDA application or Tapatalk.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkHD&hl=en
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Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
Funny that the beta would no longer connect to XDA. Buy it again, and suddenly it's working fine. All the annoying bugs fixed without a new beta release. Weird, huh?

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Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
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I feel you man. I'm buying it today. I'd ask for a refund honestly from the developer'.
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Aerowinder said:
Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
Funny that the beta would no longer connect to XDA. Buy it again, and suddenly it's working fine. All the annoying bugs fixed without a new beta release. Weird, huh?
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I had the same problem when the Tablet version went live to Tapatalk HD. I still had the older beta version from right before it went live. My work around for that was to Fire up the app, let it prompt me to buy the new version and then I just hit back. The prompt closed out and I was able to use the version like normal.
I missed the initial sale of .99 when it came out of beta and the price skyrocketed to $3.99 or something like that. It never came down again. Not sure if anyone can use this work around or not, but I would suggest just ponying up the .99 for the new app. It is a pretty big upgrade in style and performance, so I doubt we'll have to do this all over again for a few years. TTv2 hadn't changed its overall look and functionality ever I think.
I have this new version, uninstalled my previous Tapatalk HD version on my tablet, I still use the TTv2 as well.
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I feel you man. I'm buying it today. I'd ask for a refund honestly from the developer'.
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Good luck with that. The old Rootzwiki app was a skinned Tapatalk and every time they (RW) upgraded the app, they asked for you to buy it again. Pissed a bunch of people off to the point, I am not sure it is even for sale any longer. Might be, but I don't care since I don't have to use it bc of the current and v2 versions of Tapatalk. Plus RW has been sold twice since those dark times. :silly:

And its also only fair to consider thatthis isn't an updated Tapatalk 2. As I understand it, its a completely rebuilt version. With the ammount of work that goes into it, I have no issue parting ways with another dollar.
Betas shouldn't be expected to work once the final release is out. Betas are for testing and working out the kinks before the actual release. They couldve kept it internal and not let you play for free at all! Plus it'd be a much longer wait! If you were the developer, would you want to let the beta version continue to work when this is how you make part of your living?
They couldve done things much differently if they were just out to screw people. No offense if you disagree with me, but if a dollar is too much to ask, stay with Tapatalk 2.
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Sorry, realized that may have come out a little harsh! Not intended! Just trying to consider the amount of work that gets put in and that I don't think anyone should be expected to work for free! Besides, I think woody is right, this'll get us for the next few years I'm sure.
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DocHoliday77 said:
And its also only fair to consider thatthis isn't an updated Tapatalk 2. As I understand it, its a completely rebuilt version. With the ammount of work that goes into it, I have no issue parting ways with another dollar.
Betas shouldn't be expected to work once the final release is out. Betas are for testing and working out the kinks before the actual release. They couldve kept it internal and not let you play for free at all! Plus it'd be a much longer wait! If you were the developer, would you want to let the beta version continue to work when this is how you make part of your living?
They couldve done things much differently if they were just out to screw people. No offense if you disagree with me, but if a dollar is too much to ask, stay with Tapatalk 2.
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Sorry, realized that may have come out a little harsh! Not intended! Just trying to consider the amount of work that gets put in and that I don't think anyone should be expected to work for free! Besides, I think woody is right, this'll get us for the next few years I'm sure.
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By all means I completely agree. I still have Tapatalk 2 from Amazon for free. And I'm buying Tapatalk 4 tonight. But I could understand the slight anger of having paid 4.00$ supporting an app and developer you love and getting pooped on the next week by a special.
And for anyone who is super frugal, just TiB Tapatalk 4 Beta and reinstall it because it's no longer on the market. Though I'd frown upon this personally. The beta still allowed me to connect to XDA yesterday evening however.
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@DocHoliday77
Understand your thoughts on beta testing. Disagree with them. Don't like the way this new rollout (if you will) happened. For more than 24 hours with the last beta (I did not know a new version was released), it simply would not connect to XDA, but would connect to my other forum accounts. Only one time did it prompt me to update, and it was about the 120th time I tried to log in. In this case, there is no reason to keep a beta internal. Letting consumers shoulder the testing work saves them months of time, and we get an update faster. They turn out the product faster and with far fewer issues than if they do internal testing.
The $0.99 price point is excellent (while it lasts). I use the app every day, and as such, have no problem paying for it (once). My problem with the new update is this: v2 and v4 have the exact same purpose, and let's be honest, the same functionality. It is the same app. With a new holo GUI. That's the problem. I'm inclined to believe v2 will either no longer be updated, or updated much less frequently. Why bother updating the old code? It's working fine.
What it boils down to is I don't want to pay for the same app twice. I would hate to see this practice become commonplace, like DLC has for consoles/PC gaming. Paid updates is a slippery slope.

@Aerowinder
I can totally see where you are coming from. And my statement about keeping beta testing internal was simply just to point out they do have an option. I agree its not the best option, but it is one. I completely agree with you about the benefit of public betas, as I had stated before as well. But I did not realize they would just shut down any part of it without some sort of notice. While I dont expect a beta release to continue functioning after the final release, I would expect a little bit of a grace period before just shutting it down like that! And without notice too. I would agree that this is not good practice.
I realize that the purpose of V2 and V4 are the same, and they offer very similar functionality, but I was under the impression that V4 was a complete rewrite and does add to the features and functionality of V2. Exactly what the differences are, I cannot remember off the top of my head, but I do recall reading about some of them when the beta was first released a month or so ago. But even if the biggest difference is better stability for now and in the near future, I think its worth paying for the new version. Updates can only take an app so far before it needs a major overhaul. And often, starting from the ground up is the best approach when you want to provide a quality product.
Also, try to consider it from a business standpoint. I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority of people who are going to use the app, have long since purchased it. Meaning most new updates and work involved are done with diminishing returns. After a while it begins to cost a lot more to keep it up to date than they receive in sales revenue. If a business continues with that kind of path, pretty soon you will get no updates and the app will simply just die. I do think that it would've been good if they allowed current users to possibly upgrade at a lower cost, but then, I kind of think that is what the .99 sale does anyway. If not for the sale, I would be in more agreement with your position on purchasing the new update. $4-5 is kind of pushing it to begin with, and if you paid full price for the previous one I can certainly understand the resistance there.
All in all, I do get your position on not wanting to purchase the same app twice, I think everyone has been in similar situations where they would be unhappy about a purchase. But I think it has more to do with perception, at least in certain cases. If you look at it a certain way, you might get downright angry about what a developer does, but if you look at it from a different angle, it could have quite the opposite affect.
I remember maybe a year or so ago, there was a weather app that was gaining some popularity, but then the developer decided to create a new app based on the original, but with everything his customers had been requesting. They now had to buy the new one. But to make it worse, he completely took the original down, so no one could even re-download it anymore. After a lot of complaints and gripes, he then proceeded to piss everyone off even more still by re-releasing the original, but as a "Classic" version for which people had to buy a second time if they preferred it over the new one! Needless to say his popularity seemed to die down quite a bit after that.
I know that is OT but thought I would throw it out there as a comparison for a really horrible "upgrade path" chosen by a developer.
In ending, I agree with you that paid updates can be a slippery slope, but in some circumstances, it may be unavoidable if the developer wants to continue providing his products to people. At least it isn't one of those where you have to purchase features by IAP's! Or worse yet, having to spend $50-100 to get enough coins or gems to get the one really cool in-game item!
I must say, though I usually completely agree with what you say, I do tend to enjoy disagreeing with you bro! You always have excellent points to debate against! And you never try to prove an impossible point, just because you really want it to be true! :good:
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Wow! I did not expect that post to be that long!!!! Didn't realize it until I hit Post Reply and it showed it to me!

These are all good points.
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I realize that the purpose of V2 and V4 are the same, and they offer very similar functionality, but I was under the impression that V4 was a complete rewrite and does add to the features and functionality of V2. Exactly what the differences are, I cannot remember off the top of my head, but I do recall reading about some of them when the beta was first released a month or so ago. But even if the biggest difference is better stability for now and in the near future, I think its worth paying for the new version. Updates can only take an app so far before it needs a major overhaul. And often, starting from the ground up is the best approach when you want to provide a quality product.
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Complete rewrites are often necessary, especially for an amateur developer. You learn more over time, change your mind, and receive input from others that changes your mind. I rewrote an app I made over the course of a few years three times, each time a total overhaul and in a new language. Hundreds of hours, but I'm an amateur. Loved every minute of it, though! That's one reason why I don't do it any more, just takes too much time if you aren't charging for the product.
Also, try to consider it from a business standpoint. I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority of people who are going to use the app, have long since purchased it. Meaning most new updates and work involved are done with diminishing returns. After a while it begins to cost a lot more to keep it up to date than they receive in sales revenue. If a business continues with that kind of path, pretty soon you will get no updates and the app will simply just die. I do think that it would've been good if they allowed current users to possibly upgrade at a lower cost, but then, I kind of think that is what the .99 sale does anyway. If not for the sale, I would be in more agreement with your position on purchasing the new update. $4-5 is kind of pushing it to begin with, and if you paid full price for the previous one I can certainly understand the resistance there.
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This would be undoubtedly true if the smartphone market was stagnant. But there are millions of new Android device activations everyday. ICS and JB, so that's v4. This supports my argument that v2 will slowly become obsolete and no longer receive updates due to the aforementioned cost/time ratio. Also, what happens when someone who wants Tapatalk buys v2 because it's the first listing on the market? Then later find out they could have had a far superior version for the same cost? I suspect these people will not be accommodated. And we both know that some people just don't read.
My suggestion would be to make v2 free but with ads, charge for v4 (free upgrade from v2 paid). This avoids people buying the wrong version. It avoids people having to buy the app twice. And it allows people to try an older version to see if they like it before they spend $5 on it (aka a demo). It could even have some features removed to encourage people to buy the paid v4. Google's 15 minute refund period is a joke at best. It takes 15 minutes to get this app set up. It's useless. Anyhow, you can really only charge people for the same idea for so long before they get wise (hoping this happens with Call of Duty sometime soon...). They need to make a new app that people want. They need something innovative. Something unmatched. Tapatalk is no longer that. It's possible that from a business standpoint, this had to be done for the company to stay afloat. But I would argue that if this is the case, it's a sinking ship anyhow. And throwing more money at them isn't going to fix anything.
I remember maybe a year or so ago, there was a weather app that was gaining some popularity, but then the developer decided to create a new app based on the original, but with everything his customers had been requesting. They now had to buy the new one. But to make it worse, he completely took the original down, so no one could even re-download it anymore. After a lot of complaints and gripes, he then proceeded to piss everyone off even more still by re-releasing the original, but as a "Classic" version for which people had to buy a second time if they preferred it over the new one! Needless to say his popularity seemed to die down quite a bit after that.
I know that is OT but thought I would throw it out there as a comparison for a really horrible "upgrade path" chosen by a developer.
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I was unaware of this, but it sounds like he got what he deserved. Good.
In ending, I agree with you that paid updates can be a slippery slope, but in some circumstances, it may be unavoidable if the developer wants to continue providing his products to people. At least it isn't one of those where you have to purchase features by IAP's! Or worse yet, having to spend $50-100 to get enough coins or gems to get the one really cool in-game item!
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I do this with some F2Ps on PC; APB (still a great game to this day) and League. Not doing that with an app on my phone, it's just not going to happen.
I must say, though I usually completely agree with what you say, I do tend to enjoy disagreeing with you bro! You always have excellent points to debate against! And you never try to prove an impossible point, just because you really want it to be true! :good:
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There aren't many people (online) who will take the time to articulate a point, or someone who will actually give information when asked instead of blowing you off. Always enjoy finding someone else who will :good:

Took advantage of the sale but I have problems connecting to the xda forums. It states to contact the administrator if problem persists. Anyone else have this problem when first buying the app?

neotoky said:
Took advantage of the sale but I have problems connecting to the xda forums. It states to contact the administrator if problem persists. Anyone else have this problem when first buying the app?
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Unfortunately, no. Delete the app, and reinstall it and maybe reboot the phone afterwards?

Beta still connecting fine for me
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 4

You beat me to it
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 4

Finally narrowed some of it down, Wifi only works good with bluetooth enabled!

So after months of fighting with this i have finally found out something and narrowed it down some, wifi works flawlessly with my bluetooth enabled yet when disabled it works like crap for some reason, and i always leave bluetooth disabled, is there any sort of log i can send to developers or someone that knows what they are looking at to possibly fix this? im running the latest Ressurection rom right now, and on my 5ghz network at home custom channel set.

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So after months of fighting with this i have finally found out something and narrowed it down some, wifi works flawlessly with my bluetooth enabled yet when disabled it works like crap for some reason, and i always leave bluetooth disabled, is there any sort of log i can send to developers or someone that knows what they are looking at to possibly fix this? im running the latest Ressurection rom right now, and on my 5ghz network at home custom channel set.
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This phone is riddled with bugs, and new updates only introduce new ones. It's a piece of crap phone with a piece of crap hardware (zero cool features) and a piece of crap software (zero satisfaction). Just accept it! I've been saying this since I got it 4 months ago. But the vocal minority of crappy fanbois will always try to shut you up. Even though I'm keeping this pos only for Project FI, because I pay $25 a month to have a cell phone through it, I'm seriously considering paying $15 a month more with USC prepaid and getting a phone that I actually LIKE. THE BUGS ARE RUINING a decent phone but underwhelming phone. And Google does nothing to fix this.

Well it's on 2.4ghz band also workaround
So I was experiencing this problem on the 2.4ghz band as well and found a workaround is to enable Bluetooth then connect to the network and then disabled Bluetooth and it works well after that...Man I bought this phone for the unlocked bootloader and superior gaming performance. Pretty overwhelmed with the bugs Android Or looks promising though.

vidfinnx said:
So after months of fighting with this i have finally found out something and narrowed it down some, wifi works flawlessly with my bluetooth enabled yet when disabled it works like crap for some reason, and i always leave bluetooth disabled, is there any sort of log i can send to developers or someone that knows what they are looking at to possibly fix this? im running the latest Ressurection rom right now, and on my 5ghz network at home custom channel set.
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Hello,
You could try to log your activity with a logcat.
How to make a logcat: https://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=Logcat
Reproduce the issue while logging and once you finish, stop the logcat and send the file to the dev and ask him to take a look... :good:
Good luck...

thanks will try because my little enable disable bluetooth trick isnt working anymore, now i have to constantly leave it on for it to work good

has anyone else experienced this problem?

nabbed said:
This phone is riddled with bugs, and new updates only introduce new ones. It's a piece of crap phone with a piece of crap hardware (zero cool features) and a piece of crap software (zero satisfaction). Just accept it! I've been saying this since I got it 4 months ago. But the vocal minority of crappy fanbois will always try to shut you up. Even though I'm keeping this pos only for Project FI, because I pay $25 a month to have a cell phone through it, I'm seriously considering paying $15 a month more with USC prepaid and getting a phone that I actually LIKE. THE BUGS ARE RUINING a decent phone but underwhelming phone. And Google does nothing to fix this.
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What bugs?
I don't mean to say there aren't any, because I just got it. I'm honestly asking what bugs.
Thanks

thenessus said:
What bugs?
I don't mean to say there aren't any, because I just got it. I'm honestly asking what bugs.
Thanks
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Sorry, watching an online tourney. Just look up the threads that I started in this forum.

nabbed said:
This phone is riddled with bugs, and new updates only introduce new ones. It's a piece of crap phone with a piece of crap hardware (zero cool features) and a piece of crap software (zero satisfaction). Just accept it! I've been saying this since I got it 4 months ago. But the vocal minority of crappy fanbois will always try to shut you up. Even though I'm keeping this pos only for Project FI, because I pay $25 a month to have a cell phone through it, I'm seriously considering paying $15 a month more with USC prepaid and getting a phone that I actually LIKE. THE BUGS ARE RUINING a decent phone but underwhelming phone. And Google does nothing to fix this.
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OP asked for help logging his issue. If at least you read his post you would have known this... You are just here doing what you do in any other thread you opened. Crying that your phone is buggy and crap. Get it replaced or sell it and move on. Problem solved.
vidfinnx said:
has anyone else experienced this problem?
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Did you already log your issue and report it to your ROM developer?
Also, have you tried switching ROM and reproduce the issue? Just TWRP backup everything and try another ROM. At least you'll know if it's an Android or ROM specific problem. Resurrection Remix is based on a lot of different sources + their own code.
So... Try latest 7.1.2 factory image and try reproducing your issue. If it is persistent, at least you'll know it's an Android bug. If it's solved, then a ROM issue... :good:
Good luck...

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OP asked for help logging his issue. If at least you read his post you would have known this... You are just here doing what you do in any other thread you opened. Crying that your phone is buggy and crap. Get it replaced or sell it and move on. Problem solved.
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I know that no one like complainers but complainers have a reason to complain - in this particular case, incessant bugs from a company who promised frequent updates, only to be thwarted by bugs introduced by their Team B bug hunters.
What you don't have is a reason to complain about complainers. That's just petty and unproductive. Yeah, sure - you love this phone because you bought it for almost $1000, but that doesn't mean that it's perfect. Be a man and stop complaining! Hypocrite.

nabbed said:
I know that no one like complainers but complainers have a reason to complain - in this particular case, incessant bugs from a company who promised frequent updates, only to be thwarted by bugs introduced by their Team B bug hunters.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. If you didn't understand yet, my only complain is:
You provided no help to the OP. Just saying this phone this, this phone that, blah blah...
Did it help him resolving the issue? Not at all. This thread is not a debate, if you don't have anything relevant to help the OP, your posts are just useless.
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What you don't have is a reason to complain about complainers. That's just petty and unproductive. Yeah, sure - you love this phone because you bought it for almost $1000, but that doesn't mean that it's perfect. Be a man and stop complaining! Hypocrite.
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I got the phone for half the price on eBay.de, since Google decided not to sell Pixel devices in France. At least I saved 400 bucks. Still good for a non perfect device.
Well... You think my post is petty and unproductive. I'm an hypocrite? No offence here, but at least, I'm not the kind of guy who says his device is crap and keep using it.
Cheers...

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Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. If you didn't understand yet, my only complain is:
You provided no help to the OP. Just saying this phone this, this phone that, blah blah...
Did it help him resolving the issue? Not at all. This thread is not a debate, if you don't have anything relevant to help the OP, your posts are just useless.
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You got me there, big guy. When someone aboard Titanic screams abandon ship, that's completely useless.
5.1 said:
I got the phone for half the price on eBay.de, since Google decided not to sell Pixel devices in France. At least I saved 400 bucks. Still good for a non perfect device.
Well... You think my post is petty and unproductive. I'm an hypocrite? No offence here, but at least, I'm not the kind of guy who says his device is crap and keep using it.
Cheers...
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I don't use this device for the sake of this device but necessity. Project FI, that's what I use it for, because Google says that you have to have an overpriced POS to be able to use Project FI. God bless the ignorant!

5.1 said:
OP asked for help logging his issue. If at least you read his post you would have known this... You are just here doing what you do in any other thread you opened. Crying that your phone is buggy and crap. Get it replaced or sell it and move on. Problem solved.
Did you already log your issue and report it to your ROM developer?
Also, have you tried switching ROM and reproduce the issue? Just TWRP backup everything and try another ROM. At least you'll know if it's an Android or ROM specific problem. Resurrection Remix is based on a lot of different sources + their own code.
So... Try latest 7.1.2 factory image and try reproducing your issue. If it is persistent, at least you'll know it's an Android bug. If it's solved, then a ROM issue... :good:
Good luck...
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I have been able to reproduce it on factory flashed images I can confirm it is not Resurection romr I was just wondering if it was fixed at all, I do not really wanna run a stock factory flashed but in just wondering if anyone else has experienced this before

vidfinnx said:
I have been able to reproduce it on factory flashed images I can confirm it is not Resurection romr I was just wondering if it was fixed at all, I do not really wanna run a stock factory flashed but in just wondering if anyone else has experienced this before
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So you confirm latest 7.1.2 public release doesn't fix your issue...? Personally, I don't have this bug. As far as I remember, I haven't seen the same issue yet.
Since you're on stock firmware, contact Google and report your issue. If it can't be fixed, ask a replacement asap.
Good luck...

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So you confirm latest 7.1.2 public release doesn't fix your issue...? Personally, I don't have this bug. As far as I remember, I haven't seen the same issue yet.
Since you're on stock firmware, contact Google and report your issue. If it can't be fixed, ask a replacement asap.
Good luck...
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Yep just flashed latest Verizon specific 7.1.2 and same problem occurs, this is getting retardedly annoying

nabbed said:
This phone is riddled with bugs, and new updates only introduce new ones. It's a piece of crap phone with a piece of crap hardware (zero cool features) and a piece of crap software (zero satisfaction). Just accept it! I've been saying this since I got it 4 months ago. But the vocal minority of crappy fanbois will always try to shut you up. Even though I'm keeping this pos only for Project FI, because I pay $25 a month to have a cell phone through it, I'm seriously considering paying $15 a month more with USC prepaid and getting a phone that I actually LIKE. THE BUGS ARE RUINING a decent phone but underwhelming phone. And Google does nothing to fix this.
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Wow, stop crying and sell your damn phone to me. I'll give you $150 since it's such a piece of crap. I've yet to experience 1 bug with this phone, especially the ones you've stated. This is the best phone I've ever had, it's an awesome phone, inside and out. Near perfect phone imo. My wife would love to have your phone, so sell me yours on Swappa or eBay so you can get ready for that crud S8 from Sammy.

IRIE4IPIER said:
Wow, stop crying and sell your damn phone to me. I'll give you $150 since it's such a piece of crap. I've yet to experience 1 bug with this phone, especially the ones you've stated. This is the best phone I've ever had, it's an awesome phone, inside and out. Near perfect phone imo. My wife would love to have your phone, so sell me yours on Swappa or eBay so you can get ready for that crud S8 from Sammy.
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Code:
Great news! Your order on the Google Store has shipped.
Important: Please note that your tracking number may take up to 24 hours to activate. Once your tracking number is active, you can check the status of your shipment here:
Order number:
Order date: Nov 28, 2016 10:28:32 PM PDT
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United States Ship to:
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Shipped -
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1 Pixel XL (128 GB, Very Silver) $869.00
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Tax: $60.83
Total: $929.83
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I'll sell you POS. Give me 928 dollars, and you can have a 1 dollar and 83 cents on me!

nabbed said:
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Great news! Your order on the Google Store has shipped.
Important: Please note that your tracking number may take up to 24 hours to activate. Once your tracking number is active, you can check the status of your shipment here:
Order number:
Order date: Nov 28, 2016 10:28:32 PM PDT
Purchased from:
Google Inc.
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View
CA
94043
United States Ship to:
Shipping Status Quantity Item Price
Shipped -
FedEx Ground Home
1 Pixel XL (128 GB, Very Silver) $869.00
1 Project Fi SIM $0.00
Processing (1-2 business days) + Delivery Standard (3-5 business days): $0.00
Tax: $60.83
Total: $929.83
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I'll sell you POS. Give me 928 dollars, and you can have a 1 dollar and 83 cents on me!
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Deal

vidfinnx said:
Yep just flashed latest Verizon specific 7.1.2 and same problem occurs, this is getting retardedly annoying
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Hello...
I guess RMA is your only option right now... If you were lucky enough to recieve a Verizon unlockable bootloader in the first place, you only have a 50% chance with the replacement device. Otherwise, I have no idea...
Good luck. Hoping you'll get a 100% working device soon...

IRIE4IPIER said:
Deal
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Deal!