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does anyone know when a windows phone 7 will be comming out for verizon? Since April 15th for the trophy has passed is there another expected date? I've been holding out but can't wait much longer as my TP2 isn't doing well.
Is there any way I can put the Arrive on Verizon? I did this on my TP1 and it was a bit of a pain but worked. Is there any way to do something similar with the Arrive?
I HATE sprint and AT&T and really don't want to switch but I might be forced to for a few months until Verizon finally rollsout with WP7.
I basically asked the same question a couple weeks ago over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035713, and got the same number of replies that you've had so far.
get an iPhone while you wait, sell for profit if/when that wp7 device drops?
hopmedic said:
I basically asked the same question a couple weeks ago over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035713, and got the same number of replies that you've had so far.
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I was talking to a Verizon associate at one of those mall booths about a week ago, asking the same question. It was comical what I heard from this guy. He basically was unaware of WP7...completely oblivious to it. He was equating it to Windows Mobile and said they already had if the last 2 years. I tried to insert a "but" but I couldn't politely help him to know what WP7 is. So I nodded my head just long enough to make a dignified break away from the conversation and carry on about my business, never to ask that question again of a Verizon associate...lol.
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I was talking to a Verizon associate at one of those mall booths about a week ago, asking the same question. It was comical what I heard from this guy. He basically was unaware of WP7...completely oblivious to it. He was equating it to Windows Mobile and said they already had if the last 2 years. I tried to insert a "but" but I couldn't politely help him to know what WP7 is. So I nodded my head just long enough to make a dignified break away from the conversation and carry on about my business, never to ask that question again of a Verizon associate...lol.
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I had a similar experience. First, I'd filled out a Verizon customer service questionnaire, and complained about WP7 not being out. Then a manager of a corporate store called me, took down my complaint, I told him dates of when the MS offer expired each time it was updated, and told him that I'd switched to Sprint because I wanted WP7 but was forced to switch back because I couldn't have a conversation without dropping the call. He said I may hear back from a district manager (I let him know that my issue isn't with a store, but corporate).
A week or two later, I was out and about, stopped at a non-corporate store, as it was the day that the latest rumor said the phone would be out. I asked about WP7, and one associate said "we don't have Windows Phones." I said, yes, you do - here's my Verizon Touch Pro 2 - but I want Windows Phone 7. They told me they aren't going to have one. I told them of the Trophy, and one associate went to look it up, and he said he didn't see it on "coming soon" so he's not sure what it is. I couldn't believe it. I would expect that the people selling the phones would know as much as I could find on the internet, but alas, I guess my expectations are too high.
I know it's no consolation given that we have no idea when it will come out on Verizon, but if it makes a difference to you, it looks like there will at least be a choice between two phones, not just the Trophy. Latest rumor says that HTC Pro7 is coming to VZW, but doesn't say when: http://bit.ly/dEKU5Z
I'd much rather have the HTC 7 pro since I've always had the WM's with keyboards but cant' be picky.
I'm betting June 30th will be the release date, becuase I believe thats the contract between Vzw and Microsoft. Its just a pain because everyday I feel forced to google verizon WP7 or verizon trophy to see if there's any news.
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I'd much rather have the HTC 7 pro since I've always had the WM's with keyboards but cant' be picky.
I'm betting June 30th will be the release date, becuase I believe thats the contract between Vzw and Microsoft. Its just a pain because everyday I feel forced to google verizon WP7 or verizon trophy to see if there's any news.
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Welcome to my world.....it's only been 5 months now of doing that.... I'm about to give up and try AT&T for a while...that HD7s is going to be sweet (HD7 with a Super LCD display).
Latest word is May 5th (next week) for me it's VZW or the HD7s what ever comes first...sick of this bull****....
There is also the possibility that Verizon doesn't want MS phones. Seeing as how they took it up the back end on the Kin, I'd think they would be very pissed with MS.
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There is also the possibility that Verizon doesn't want MS phones. Seeing as how they took it up the back end on the Kin, I'd think they would be very pissed with MS.
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that, and the tidal wave of disgruntled Att customers coming over for blazing fast iphone4s on vzw....
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I'd much rather have the HTC 7 pro since I've always had the WM's with keyboards but cant' be picky.
I'm betting June 30th will be the release date, becuase I believe thats the contract between Vzw and Microsoft. Its just a pain because everyday I feel forced to google verizon WP7 or verizon trophy to see if there's any news.
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Yes, all of my WM phones have had the slide-out as well, and you're not the only one googling VZW and WP7 every day. We should start a support group.
I don't know about June 30 - I haven't seen anything with that date, other than MS saying first half of 2011. I know I'm getting more disgruntled with VZW by the day, and surely don't want to wait that long. Unfortunately, they're the only ones who provide good enough coverage. I look out the window, across the parking lot to see my pastor standing outside the church so he can talk on his ATT phone. I'm just not willing to do that.
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There is also the possibility that Verizon doesn't want MS phones. Seeing as how they took it up the back end on the Kin, I'd think they would be very pissed with MS.
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It's the other way around. Verizon screwed MS with the Kin by overcharging for the plans.
Just want to know how the situation is. Anyone still trust in Microsoft after abandoning Windows Mobile and now this with WP?
WP7.8 is pretty reasonable update, they should have just called it "WP8 for old phones" and everything would be fine... And I have a first-gen Samsung Omnia 7 and I'm going to buy a WP8 phone around christmas As well as Microsoft Surface, those seem to be pretty awesome tablets.
Yes, I'll probably upgrade to a WP8 device when my device is two years old, assuming there's a device with a good hardware keyboard. WP8 looks good and I prefer the WP experience.
Will probably be more cautious about recommending WP to others, however, especially in the period before new OS releases.
Well at the moment I'm really pissed how I spent my saved 350€ for a device (Lumia 800) that will be "outdated" OS vise after around a year. But I guess we will have to wait what the update brings. I don't need NFC as longs as Bluetooth can be used as a substitute (or maybe even WiFi). Also, I think the new Startscreen is somehow cluttered, but I guess I have to experience the look and feel. I surely hope that some software updates like the rumored notification system will come to current devices as well. Another thing is that my contract is due in 2013 so I have to stick around with this phone anyway. And as a poor student I cannot afford a new high-end phone every year. When the contract expires I will decide based on the existing choices and reevaluate the OS. I really like Windows Phone 7 but the whole update dilemma did not increase my thrust in neither Nokia nor Microsoft. I hope they keep their word that they are committed to bring future updates to existing devices. If not, I will move to another OS. It all depends how they handle Windows Phone 7 this and next year.
I switched to android last month from 1st gen wp because i knew they wouldn't update my wp.
I told myself i'll switch to wp8 if they do something android can't do. It doesn't look like that's the case.
I got my current WP7 device for nothing so I will get a WP8 phone when released if my carrier gives me a fair selection of devices.
I hope to have 7.8 soon so I can see if I like the feel of WP8. Infact I am going to install a dual boot with Windows 8 (the release) to see if I give it a chance...
Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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Let's just hope that 7.8 is not a huge update and it's something we can install right from here (XDA).
I wouldnt want to lose my custom rom right now.
As I have more thoughts here...
I guess the way MS planned it, if you were one of the first people to get WP7, you would be out of your 2 year by fall time (around release time). Sprint and Verizon (CDMA/LTE) customers would be ending their 2 year Spring/early Summer 2013 (I got mine with out a contract so I am good) due to late releases.
I think I am disapointed in the 18 month support only. I really think it should be 24 months, as most US carriers who have contracts are 2 years. Note: their exact quote was "18 months from the time the phone is released". Just because you get a new phone here in the US, that model could be out for over 3-4 months overseas. That could suck.
As for WP 7.8 all you will get is the new start menu that you can load up with more tiles. As a first gen user, I was kind of looking forward to upgrading my Trophy but, I guess I will be waiting till fall.
If you just picked up a new 2nd gen like a Lumia 900 or Titan 2, they are nice phones but, I would feel a little screwed.
After watching the entire conf today and the way they are talking C++ and direct hardware access, all I can say is this is the GAMING phone I have been waiting for. Everything WP7 should of been.
I enjoyed my WP7 device but, I can't wait for a WP8 device
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Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p ClearBlack display & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p screen & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen. Seriously, anybody liked the mini-tile? I dont think metro = square. At least, it was not. Just because that thing is a square form it's Metro UI. I wouldnt use, but its personal and I respect.
But hey, we are not receiving Skype, Multitasking, Turn-by-Turn, NT Kernel, and also, lets see if next year new apps will continue to be made thinking about WP 7 users. Or maybe 2014. Just like Android, 2.0 is already being forgotten.
If MS release at least Skype and Multitask, I will shut and smile.
Im pretty annoyed as well... I am also a student and cannot afford a new device every year. What kinda seems odd to me is that the current devices will not be upgradeable to the new nt core whilst microsoft and nokia and aims to sell low end devices (lower than current gen devices?) to compete with low end androids which presumably will be running on the nt core. Ultimately, as much as i love the looks of it, I will probably not be buying a windows 8 slate (unless they reach the sub £100 mark) so the integration features with windows phone 8 are not so important to me. The features that matter most to me would be updated bluetooth profiles (for bluetooth HID drivers), flash player (although there's no indication that WP8 does this either) and would like continued app support, better cloud/skydrive integration as well as a more complete office funtionality
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In a positive note, if microsoft really does put in the effort to compete with the low end android devices, we may see wp8 devices for as low as £60....
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen.
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First of all no matter when MSFT does a reboot someone is going to have only had their phone for 6 months. That's true of all OSes. Secondly you don't even know what the new features of Windows Phone 7.8 are going to be. So claiming it's just a start screen is just BS.
I'll probably wait 2-3 months into the next year to buy one. I'll see if app developers choose to accept WP8 as a serious platform and start making apps for Windows Phone too. If all goes well, and there's a phone release around that time that actually looks good, I'll buy it. Also somebody might port WP8 over to some of the old devices. If that happens, it will delay me buying a WP8 by a month or two.
^ developers will take it seriously, native coding means a lot!
The new kernel means a lot! The old one was dead from the beginning.
MS just put a tomb stone on RIM, and are now standing on it pointing at Google and Apple saying "You're Next".
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I have a HTC HD7S first gen that I bought May last year. WP7.8 will be nice to get but would be disappointed to loose my custom rom hope MS offers dev release soon. Can't wait to get a tablet.
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I bought a samsung focus, but I won't upgrade to WP8. From what they showed today it's just catching up to what is out there on the other platforms, I'll keep the old WP7 phone around and get something else and buy the Surface laptop instead.
Maybe WP9, if the come out with some killer features in the future.
So glad that I got rid of my Samsung Focus and now the proud owner of the HTC One X. I started doubting the whole WP debacle when support for my Dell Venue Pro was dropped and I started smelling a scam. However, I still held on to my Samsung Focus since I hope that they will change. Luckily I changed my mind 2 weeks ago and sold my Focus for a good price. After this, there will be a lot of frustrated users trying to dump their WP on ebay, it would be hard to sell it at a good price now.
I used to be the HD2 owner that watched every single MS news hoping that they will change their mind and provide us with the upgrade. Ah, how I wished that I learned my lesson and never give M$ another chance. Technically speaking, I was shafted not only once but twice.
I was thinking about buying a Lumia 800 to try it out but no more, MS will never AGAIN get my money. I hope they burn in hell and fail miserably for what they did to the users.
And if you are still blindly supporting M$ after this, stop for a moment and think about how you have been treated. M$ is even worse than Google. Don't ever trust them. **** you M$.
Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Sorry dude, looks like no one here is blind, except you. I will be seeing you around at the WP9 announcement then, when your shiny 2-month old phone is cut off support that is.
https://twitter.com/APNWindowsPhone/status/215549101260013568
NokiaUSA is saying YES!
they said that we can get wp8 updating a few weeks ago
They also said "To clarify the post is about internet sharing..." and some other **** I give a **** about" NOT 7.8
This is too funny.... there's a video posted on the usual wp websites from just after this morning's WP8 seminar. It showed a preliminary version of the 7.8 version on an ATT lumia 900. When asked, 'can you flick it to the left so we can see the apps list?'... the MS or Nokia rep replied: "it'll crash the phone". He then explained it's just a crude test version.
Release anytime soon... not likely.
They also said they'd have a fix for the purple screen a LONG time ago, and we are still waiting for it (only AT&T got the fix)...
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They also said they'd have a fix for the purple screen a LONG time ago, and we are still waiting for it (only AT&T got the fix)...
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http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d-ad31ea4db0d7?page=1&tm=1340284824926#footer
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Actually... You know what, I don't even care anymore...
With the fact that my new device is already obsolete, I'll be looking for a new mobile device provider soon who's product have longer supported lifespans (and not to mention better support).
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Actually... You know what, I don't even care anymore...
With the fact that my new device is already obsolete, I'll be looking for a new mobile device provider soon who's product have longer supported lifespans (and not to mention better support).
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Try iPhone. You can install the new iOS on an old phone. You won't get Siri and true GPS to work due to hardware issues but you CAN install the OS. At least they arent so weak as to use the "Hardware incompatibility" excuse.
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Try iPhone. You can install the new iOS on an old phone. You won't get Siri and true GPS to work due to hardware issues but you CAN install the OS. At least they arent so weak as to use the "Hardware incompatibility" excuse.
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Lumia doesn't have NFC, so yes, hardware incompatibility. derp.
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Lumia doesn't have NFC, so yes, hardware incompatibility. derp.
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Whoa, wait a second... I don't give a **** about the Wallet or NFC...
I want the OS and the majority of the capabilities... WP 7.8 is just bringing adjustments to the start screen: "Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
As far as I'm concerned, I've heard that WP8 on latest gen older devices is capable..
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Whoa, wait a second... I don't give a **** about the Wallet or NFC...
I want the OS and the majority of the capabilities... WP 7.8 is just bringing adjustments to the start screen: "Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
As far as I'm concerned, I've heard that WP8 on latest gen older devices is capable..
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Yeah...but don't you do that with everything else?? Your new car?? A new laptop, PC or Tablet? At least you got a key chain....
But ...the big question really is.....From where did you hear that about WP8 on latest Gen older devices?? I work very close with friends from Microsoft on Windows Phone. Never, never ever never, have they ever hinted, to me, that WP8 was going to be a broad update, or even work on old devices.
So, if you have some Steve Balmer, Terry Myerson insight...please share....
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"Hi, we know you just blew 600 bucks on this phone which is obsolete a few days later, but hey, here's a free key chain" kinda thing...
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Words of wisdom and people please stop mentioning Apple's methodology. The lumia 900 is way newer compared to the 3GS when the 4G came out.
3GS did not get all the iOS4 feature but it was already old in the market unlike the 900!
Take a Deep Breath
If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8. You didn't know that for a fact, you either guessed, relied on others guesses or hoped. You rolled the dice based on a feeling that MS and Nokia would do the right thing, based upon your desires. Well, they did the right thing based upon their needs. I love my Nokia 900 on WP7.5, I'll love WP7.8 even more. It will take me a long time to grow out of WP7.8. At that time, I will upgrade my phone to WP8.x. Like most of you, I am not at all happy about this. The highest of the high end WP7 phones, just released, and not upgradeable to WP8. Sure I am mad, but mostly at myself for taking such a chance with no facts to backup a future upgrade to WP8.
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If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8. You didn't know that for a fact, you either guessed, relied on others guesses or hoped. You rolled the dice based on a feeling that MS and Nokia would do the right thing, based upon your desires. Well, they did the right thing based upon their needs. I love my Nokia 900 on WP7.5, I'll love WP7.8 even more. It will take me a long time to grow out of WP7.8. At that time, I will upgrade my phone to WP8.x. Like most of you, I am not at all happy about this. The highest of the high end WP7 phones, just released, and not upgradeable to WP8. Sure I am mad, but mostly at myself for taking such a chance with no facts to backup a future upgrade to WP8.
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Agreed, pretty much sums it up for me. I took a risk, banked on MS to not depricate a "flagship" device like they HAVE NOT done so often in the past and took it in the a$$. Like I said, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
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If you are like me, you bought the Lumia 900 hoping that, since it is a high end phone, it would be upgraded to WP8.
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Call it what you want. The phone was FREE here in the US. It was cheaper than some feature phones. I had no expectations. I got a nice very capable smartphone for free. My expectations were met.
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Call it what you want. The phone was FREE here in the US. It was cheaper than some feature phones. I had no expectations. I got a nice very capable smartphone for free. My expectations were met.
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I'm locked down on contracts for the next 7+ years since every time I get a phone from my provider it breaks, so I extend to get another one discounted...
I bought the Lumia 900 outright for $600... And It's not physically busted, but now is obsolete
There's just no winning...
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I'm locked down on contracts for the next 7+ years since every time I get a phone from my provider it breaks, so I extend to get another one discounted...
There's just no winning...
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That's somewhat your fault mate! Why would you do that?!
MS messed up for sure, but let's not blame it for all our problems.
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That's somewhat your fault mate! Why would you do that?!
MS messed up for sure, but let's not blame it for all our problems.
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I'm so mad at the whole WP8 thing, I think I am going to blame them for all my problems... And my cell provider (which is another story I'm not even going to get in to), heh
I don't want to disrespect anyone, but how could any Lumia owner not feel screwed.
Don't forget poeple that every device, comparable to Lumia 800 or 900, with different OS can run Skype, viber and other VOIP apps in the background... It seems Lumia 800 and 900 will never be able to do so.
How could you just accept that.
$135 androids have VOIP while we ($500/$600 Lumia owners) don't?!?!?!? and you're ok with it?!?!?!?!
Now I know that most Lumia owners are MS or Nokia loyals... I am one... And when others critisized the lack of apps and the inability to run Skype, I always defended both saying that apps will come and skype will be updated... "just a matter of time"... Do I feel stupid now!
I'm not saying I'm chaging to other OS... I'll probably get a new WP8 device and a surface tablet... But i can not NOT feel screwed.
BTW, I got my Lumia 800 in January... was so happy with it that I ordered the 900 about 2 weeks ago... (both factory unlocked cause we don't have contracts where I'm from)
i just got my phone less then 2 weeks ago, i'm piss... but what else can i say, i like the design, and the support from nokia seems good enough. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a WP or Nokia fanboy. Just like what JamesAllen says, i put my bet and i lose it... nothing more, nothing less, but i still like the phone, i'm gonna keep it until i feel a need to change to another
I say reluctantly, because I want WP to be awesome. I want to stay with it, but I just can't do this 'basic' thing anymore. The colours are so dreadfully boring, there's no WP8 support for my device, Zune software sucks ass. I miss being able to just drag and drop into my music folder. Why complicate it needlessly with restrictive software? How many "new" colours will there be? 4? Android used to be laggy, but it's not anymore. Why is there no speed dial? (Yes there's an app for that, but I live in a border city, the only dialer app that displays my network is the native one, and I need to see it). There's no DLNA app (The LG one? Sorry, that's not a working app, that's just some user interface that pretends to be a DLNA app), and the battery. My freakin gosh the battery. I'd get better battery life out of a lemon and copper wire. 99% gives me 12 hours, that's if I close all apps and leave it alone for the day. I own three chargers (work, car, home), and mine is only a 3.5" screen! What if I had went with the HD7??
These alleged WP8 handsets that are coming out, will they be on par with even 2010 tech? Probably not. I'm so underwhelmed by just everything. My bro-in-law has the Note, and it's insane. Super AMOLED HD screen, xvid/h-264 support, HD out, etc. And it's already outdated almost. The Note 2 will be announced tomorrow, and then hopefully soon available here in Canada.
These are old talking points, I know. I've been reading/lurking this board since before WP came out. It's been hashed out time and again. And it doesn't even matter. What matters is what will please you/me the most. What do you care which platform I go with? I'm not bashing anything, just verbalizing my internal dialogue trying to decide. I was a pioneer with this platform, it pains me, I wanted it to be awesome, but it's just not fully functional. "But wait for the next update" worked a year ago, not this time. WP8 will be undercooked and a day late.
The desktop Windows 8 looks like a disaster of Titanic/watergate proportions. I don't want my device to in any way require that... thing of an OS. They missed the point. They may have started with simplicity in mind, but they're far from it now.
I'm due now for an upgrade, but it's not required, so I'm probably waiting until after Christmas to give time for all the iPhone5/Note2/WP8's of the world to be fully released and reviewed.
Anyone else feeling like this?
to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?
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to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?
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Yeah that's been the ongoing joke about the iPhone forever. And Android is definitely doing that lately.
There's certain features I really need to have in my next device. The Note has all of them. If the Note 2 dials some back, then I'll just go with the Note 1 and save some cash. If you can wait a couple months and get a little bit bigger screen, why not right?
Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.
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Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.
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I have a A500 running 4.0.3 I think, it works fine, but I ran into a lot crashes and problems too. I think I'm very open on which OS to use, the cheapest I think I got my Windows Phone Arrive for free, absolutely free, not even activation fee, so that's why I'm with WP7. But in fact, if I jump on the new release iPhone 5, but sell it, profits.
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This is not a flame but a genuine question. Why not wait and see what RIM come up with? I got my HTC Titan because I like the look and style of win 7 and realy do not like Iphone or Andriod and yes i have had an Andriod and my girlfriend has my Iphone 4. I too feel there is just too much missing from win7 and am due an upgrade about November so if RIM can manage to sort out there act i might give it a try.Remember how things were for apple a few years ago when they were talking about just selling the company
its just an idea
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^ waiting on RIM, it'll be sometime next year before an actual device is released.
Side note:
I just sold a GS3. Damn beastly phone, the best I ever had. I didn't even mind Touch wiz. I had it for one full day before selling it, that home button just ruined the experience for me though.
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What vetvito said. Blackberry won't have BB10 out until like Q2 2013. As well as that, I'm just not interested in the last hurrah of a sinking company. It will probably be pretty limited. I'm just getting done with a 'new' platform, I'd like to be with something that's worked in.
Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.
My suggestion would also be to simply wait what Microsoft's partners and Apple are bringing to the table next month. If you wait until december you should have all the options aside from RIM for whom I personally would not wait.
The Note is a nice phone in theory but the only one I know who owns one is telling me permanently about the newest strangeness it decides on doing (guess it's simply his device that's acting up - at least I hope so).
On the hardware front I'm not that concerned over WP8. The release handsets were announced to all feature Qualcomms Snapdragon S4 Plus chipsets which, even though being dual core instead of quad, offer better performance than the Tegra 3 and Samsungs own Quadcore-Chips due to the Krait-Architecture by Qualcomm. It's the same chip the LTE-Versions of the HTC One X and Galaxy S3 currently use. HD displays are also a go with WP8.
The biggest question will be WP8 features and it seems we will know whats coming there in one week.
I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought
At the end of the day, it is just a phone. Doesn't matter what OS you buy into but this time around, don't buy a phone which "looks" good or "feels" good.
I would suggest trying out the phone and functions to your heart's content before parting with your money. Like everyone else, I am playing a waiting game before I invest my cash on any OS. This Christmas Santa will be pretty confused too!
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I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
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MY WORDS! WP8 has some new features, but 80% of the world does not use NFC. look at Europe or Asia, have somebody seen some NFC around? the same thing, even worse is with east Europe. ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us. the problem is Other operating systems like Android made the WP7 users to WISH better specs. that's the problem, like an virus thats now in the heads of a few WP7 users. my WP7 does everything what i need to have from a phone right now, and for the next one, two years! like you stated people think of WP8 "yeah that and that feature would be cool to have" but i will never use it. i say lets wait until 7.8 and the new start screen, it looks and feels like the WP8. ok we dont get wallet and such thing, but wallet i dont need, i have a real wallet made out from leather the only thing whats not so good for wp7 is that voip agent can not run in background like the GSM service. so that would be an WP8 feature why i would switch, but not right now, maybe next year when the devices would be around 300-400€ in Germany.
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ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us.
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I disagree on some of these points. Higher screen resolutions and native code are very important features. Native code enables easier porting of apps from iOS and Android (not to mention more similarity between WP8 and Windows RT) and should make these apps faster / more responsive. Having a choice of a retina display would also be nice
It would also be nice to have some bug fixes, which is more likely to happen on WP8. Tango seemed to break podcast management for some of us, in addition to a few other niggles (e.g. why can't I edit the original email after pressing reply / forward?, volume normalisation issues etc). The overall experience is good - however, there seem to be several rough edges in WP7.
dazza9075 said:
I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.
Loco5150 said:
Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.
Android really has come a long way
Personally I didn't really like stock Android without sense till ics. It changed everything. Battery is meh compared to I phone, but with a custom kernel I can get ~12 hours with 1-2 hours screen on if I stick with lte. With jb its really smooth too I'd recommend a Nexus if you want os support. I have an HTC Rezound and htc is really poor with updates. If you are willing to root a toro/maguro will be supported for years. If not, you should at least get a year more of updates since the phone came out last November.
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^ it'll get more than a year of support. Nexus S, two years old still getting love.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.
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The N9 meego was awesome. Samsung killed Bada due to poor sales, but it sold more than WP7.
I'm wanting to see what the Jolla guys do later this year.
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.
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Ah but usability is the main point here, HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us, you are absolutely right that a feature phone from 2004 would have done all that I need, but my phone does it better, quicker and a lot more efficiently! but that is my point if you NEED HDMI then that becomes a tick box that must be met, if it is a "oh that's a cool feature" then it shouldn't be a main tick box otherwise you'll be a mug for marketing and end up spending more on stuff you don't NEED.
All those folk out there with quad core phones are a prime example, slapping a quad core in my phone will make absolutely no difference at all in the slightest and I question anyone that doesn't play games or encode video on there phone to tell me that it does make a difference, its a great marketing tool though, its QUAD core guys, its X4 better than a single core, you MUST have this, and people lap it up, hook line and sinker
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HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us
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I am completely satisfied with my HD7 and NextGen 3.3 ROM, two things I miss in everyday life: Teamviewer and how to KILL SMS toast notification...
Been waiting patiently for a while now
Its getting to be a bit of a farce!
One of the main reasons I got my previous Pixels was that you received the updates first, like clockwork.
The P6P has some major issues, FPS!!, screen going blank, Reception etc. Yet we get it after all the other Pixels!?
And to top it off if you live in the "Google blind spot", ie not USA, you havent even got the FPS fix to make it usable!
So, we get to the delayed date and, SURPRISE! No update again.
Is something going on that we dont know about, feel like a Beta tester and I paid them nearly £1000 to do it!!!!
I don't have any issues with my pixel 6 pro but I'm hoping to get the update today and see if there are any improvements
Nothing yet, might be in around 2-3 hours from now
marmin said:
Its getting to be a bit of a farce!
One of the main reasons I got my previous Pixels was that you received the updates first, like clockwork.
The P6P has some major issues, FPS!!, screen going blank, Reception etc. Yet we get it after all the other Pixels!?
And to top it off if you live in the "Google blind spot", ie not USA, you havent even got the FPS fix to make it usable!
So, we get to the delayed date and, SURPRISE! No update again.
Is something going on that we dont know about, feel like a Beta tester and I paid them nearly £1000 to do it!!!!
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World first problem... Chill out.
Update is coming today December 13th as per every articles.
If you can't stand the phone, sell it and move on to Samsung or Isheep bangwagon. But be advise they have there share of problems too...
therock3181 said:
World first problem... Chill out.
Update is coming today December 13th as per every articles.
If you can't stand the phone, sell it and move on to Samsung or Isheep bangwagon. But be advise they have there share of problems too...
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Please don't tell me to chill out.
If I want to comment on my frustrations about having a "premium" device which is sold with faults and has a promise of updates which are not upheld, then I shall.
If you wish to spend your money and follow what Google says like a "sheep" without voicing your dissatisfaction, then that too is your right.
To paraphrase a brilliant quote "All that is needed for poor service to continue to happen is for good customers to do nothing", I have raised my concerns with Google and would encourage others to raise your voice too.
marmin said:
Please don't tell me to chill out.
If I want to comment on my frustrations about having a "premium" device which is sold with faults and has a promise of updates which are not upheld, then I shall.
If you wish to spend your money and follow what Google says like a "sheep" without voicing your dissatisfaction, then that too is your right.
To paraphrase a brilliant quote "All that is needed for poor service to continue to happen is for good customers to do nothing", I have raised my concerns with Google and would encourage others to raise your voice too.
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Well said. People coming on here trying to tell others what they can or cannot say p's me off.
Returned mine cause the return window expired before today, the 13th. I don't think one update can magically fix the phone. I hope it does though. I think it'll take time though, months.
In the meantime I'm looking forward to the next gen phones that are only a couple months away. This next gen will be a true leap in next gen terms. Pixel left me cold
Probably not until 1pm EST. Relax.
It will probably come 1000 pacific time (Googles HQ time, it the morning) - that equals 1900 Berlin time (Europe).
marmin said:
Please don't tell me to chill out.
If I want to comment on my frustrations about having a "premium" device which is sold with faults and has a promise of updates which are not upheld, then I shall.
If you wish to spend your money and follow what Google says like a "sheep" without voicing your dissatisfaction, then that too is your right.
To paraphrase a brilliant quote "All that is needed for poor service to continue to happen is for good customers to do nothing", I have raised my concerns with Google and would encourage others to raise your voice too.
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You are right to voice criticism. Googles behaviour is unacceptable, since they let their new flagship users wait beyond the usual update time without any explanation given. We should have a clear window to expect - not "in a week" - that's a joke. Google is the biggest company in the world, anyone here seriously believe they don't have fixed, internal deadlines? They should simply make a counter: Here, that's when we will start pushing the update.
Should be out around 1pm est.
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You are right to voice criticism. Googles behaviour is unacceptable, since they let their new flagship users wait beyond the usual update time without any explanation given. We should have a clear window to expect - not "in a week" - that's a joke. Google is the biggest company in the world, anyone here seriously believe they don't have fixed, internal deadlines? They should simply make a counter: Here, that's when we will start pushing the update.
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They did exactly that, they said it would be released today (13th). As today is not over (and they don't usually release updates until in the PST time zone ) and was never likely to be AM for the CET time zone.
There will be a lot more fixes in the release for the Pixel 6 than applied to the older models, they most likely wanted to test out the fixes that applied to them in the real world and also have some more time to test the Pixel 6 specific fixes. Better to get it right than rush out bad updates which make things worse in the eyes of those who have issues.
I can understand frustration if you are being seriously hampered by an issue (most people aren't, with minor irritations), but at least give it until the window they said has closed.
lawtq said:
Well said. People coming on here trying to tell others what they can or cannot say p's me off.
Returned mine cause the return window expired before today, the 13th. I don't think one update can magically fix the phone. I hope it does though. I think it'll take time though, months.
In the meantime I'm looking forward to the next gen phones that are only a couple months away. This next gen will be a true leap in next gen terms. Pixel left me cold
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Where did I wrote he can or cannot say ? Please tell me
Actually don't, because I found nothing.....
marmin said:
Its getting to be a bit of a farce!
One of the main reasons I got my previous Pixels was that you received the updates first, like clockwork.
The P6P has some major issues, FPS!!, screen going blank, Reception etc. Yet we get it after all the other Pixels!?
And to top it off if you live in the "Google blind spot", ie not USA, you havent even got the FPS fix to make it usable!
So, we get to the delayed date and, SURPRISE! No update again.
Is something going on that we dont know about, feel like a Beta tester and I paid them nearly £1000 to do it!!
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Haven't had a single issue with my P6P. You you actually think you're a beta tester you should have had the first android phone the T-Mobile G1, we were actual beta testers. If you don't like the phone simply return it!
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Haven't had a single issue with my P6P. You you actually think you're a beta tester you should have had the first android phone the T-Mobile G1, we were actual beta testers.
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I'm very pleased for you. Pointing out that you are one of the lucky ones hardly helps those of us with issues, just kind of rubs peoples noses in it. Nope, I said I "feel" like a beta tester, big difference. With the G1 it was a first of a kind, early adopters of new tech/OS often end up with fixes after launch.
OTAs/Factory images usually drop around 10 am PST. You still have 2 hours to go!
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Haven't had a single issue with my P6P. You you actually think you're a beta tester you should have had the first android phone the T-Mobile G1, we were actual beta testers. If you don't like the phone simply return it!
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Same, ironically. I've realized with every release there's those who have issues and those who don't. Luckily we know Google's gonna take care of it
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For clarification, what do you mean by "smells like curry"?
I agree at least with the stance that we should all just patiently await the update. It's coming and should bring good things to our toys. There's people in this world who would love to have this phone so those feeling impatient, just crack on with your day and no dount in an hour or two we'll all be flashing away (cue to the next lot of complaints?!)
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that everyone has a right to complain if something they paid for isn't functioning correctly!
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This is all that matters. Back in the days - before patches - products had to function at launch, since there was no way to fix anything. Once it was in the hands of your customer, there was no choice - either the product worked without issue and you got good press and recommendation, or your product was buggy and people stopped buying it.
Nowadays, companies just don't give a s*it - they release buggy products and there are customers that have the audacity to even support that kind of behavior. Instead of working together in order to get companies to fix their sh*t BEFORE launch, people divide themselves amongst "patience" or "you can't expect them to fix stuff in time" - aha. Well, we can. The nanosecond we buy a thousanddollar product. We are not talking about a 2 dollar china toy, we are talking about a state of the art, high-end flagship - that's simply supposed to work without issue. And if major issues arise, criticism is of paramount importance.
Many bugs we face today have been known since Android 12 has launched it's first beta - 18 May 2021 - that's roughly 7 months time for Google to fix stuff. They didn't.
And here we are not even talking about Pixel 6 specific bugs, simply Android ones.
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Same, ironically. I've realized with every release there's those who have issues and those who don't. Luckily we know Google's gonna take care of it
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I actually wonder how many problems there really are that are really bugs or just user error. When the Note 20 Ultra first came out there were quite a few people having issues with it here on XDA but what it boiled down to in the end was that they were transferring data from another phone and most weren't even a Samsung phone. Also if it were an Android 12 issue we would all have it not just a select few!