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Nokia 900 still alive!!!!

http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-nokia-ace-showing-up-at-a-design-museum/ here is a link to the leak of possibly the nokia 900, i believe it will come early 2012 in the US

Thats just an artist render, but yes the US will be getting a device in early 2012. January is supposedly going to be their announcement, and from what I've [heard], its a Lumia 800 type device (awesome) with possibly a larger screen and more features. This could mean a FFC and other things, but we'll just have to wait and see

dtboos said:
Thats just an artist render, but yes the US will be getting a device in early 2012. January is supposedly going to be their announcement, and from what I've [heard], its a Lumia 800 type device (awesome) with possibly a larger screen and more features. This could mean a FFC and other things, but we'll just have to wait and see
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doesn't even have to have a bigger screen to me, just give me a lumia with a FFC and you'll have the first mobile device that I've ever cared to use for a full year. My DVP is being replaced at 11 months some time this week by the lumia 800.

z33dev33l said:
doesn't even have to have a bigger screen to me, just give me a lumia with a FFC and you'll have the first mobile device that I've ever cared to use for a full year. My DVP is being replaced at 11 months some time this week by the lumia 800.
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Nice. I thought about ordering an 800, but I want to wait till they release one to the States, and am hoping it is a little different (ffc would be great, 32GB storage would be perfect). Let us know what you think once you get it.

dtboos said:
Nice. I thought about ordering an 800, but I want to wait till they release one to the States, and am hoping it is a little different (ffc would be great, 32GB storage would be perfect). Let us know what you think once you get it.
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same here i am hoping it comes to att WITHOUT THE CARRIAR LOGO i am crossing my fingers

I wouldn't count on the carrier logo being removed. Its a common trademark that almost all North American carriers seem to do.
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theman60625 said:
I wouldn't count on the carrier logo being removed. Its a common trademark that almost all North American carriers seem to do.
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well then i will try to get an unlocked nokia 900 if it comes out, it makes the phone look ugly with that carrier logo, iphones dont have that moronic carrier logo

lovenokia said:
well then i will try to get an unlocked nokia 900 if it comes out, it makes the phone look ugly with that carrier logo, iphones dont have that moronic carrier logo
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You are right, they have that moronic Apple Logo.
The N9 does not have the back, windows & search keys so it would be better to get the Windows Phone device. So its up to you if thats really that important.

I wouldn't bother with it without a larger screen. 4" is minimum for me.

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I wouldn't bother with it without a larger screen. 4" is minimum for me.
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Same here, but honestly if they keep the 3.7" screen, but up the storage to 32 and put in a FFC I would still highly consider going down a little on screen size.

I'll have it Thursday. I'm a bit nervous about the tiny screen. Haven't had a screen that small as a daily driver since the g1 (yes I know it was 3.5) fortunately the keyboard is intuitive enough that it's a non-issue.

dtboos said:
You are right, they have that moronic Apple Logo.
The N9 does not have the back, windows & search keys so it would be better to get the Windows Phone device. So its up to you if thats really that important.
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Lol that is a good one i dont want the nokia n9 cause i am too accustomed to windows phone 7

There's no need for concern, there will be a 900 series WP7 device. But give them a break - they just shipped their current flagship, the N9, to stores in October. Surely it deserves to be king of the hill for at least a few months.

DoogieDC said:
There's no need for concern, there will be a 900 series WP7 device. But give them a break - they just shipped their current flagship, the N9, to stores in October. Surely it deserves to be king of the hill for at least a few months.
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but some of us want it NOW i really want to just see the nokia 900 at least

I really hope Nokia puts a front facing camera on this one

Apollo coming to ALL WP devices

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/

slojko said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/
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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.

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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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uh huh, food for thought. Now if this was android...

The Verge is claiming a source close to Microsoft says that this is wrong. I'm really hoping Microsoft makes some announcement before my return window runs out...
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PaullikesWINMO said:
Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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Here you go...
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade

Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.

Hamburg said:
Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.

viny2cool said:
If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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I agree, Lumia (and any other Windows Phone for that matter) is fast running WP7.5... who knows what it will be like running WP8, though. I'm sure the OS will still be incredibly efficient compared to other OS's, but apps are going to continue to grow more complex and new features are going to be added which will be more resource-needy. Could you imagine the tax on resources if they release those rumored Kinect Phones?!
Additionally those new Krait chips (Snapdragon S4) add more than just dual-core capabilities. They add better camera support (up to 3 20mp cameras), 7.1 Dolby sound, latest wifi and bluetooth radios, HD displays and recording, better memory and power management (i.e. longer battery life), improved GPUs. The list goes on and on. And yes, the ClearBlack display is beautiful, but why not throw that tech behind an HD screen? WP8 will open the door to so many new things, but not if you're still carrying around your HTC HD2 with DFT hacks

Hamburg said:
Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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exactly. Saving my hardware update for that.

I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.

viny2cool said:
If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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Not everyone roots their phone. we shouldnt have to wait for a port with broken features. Google should be more on top of things, like Microsoft is. Everything should work out of box, and we all know android doesnt work like that. If i didnt find out about rooting and what not i probably wouldnt be using my android device right now lol

kirdroid said:
Here you go...
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.

slojko said:
who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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Worse case scenario is a modified version of WP8.. maybe missing some features, but the main functionality updates will come. For example, they are saying that WP8 will bring SD card support, well.. that doesn't matter for the 900 since it doesn't even have a slot for it..
But there is no way there won't be another major update, if they do that, they will loose a lot of customers.

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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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I can agree with you, if I thought they put all their chips on the 900. Microsoft has had a plan in place for Windows Phone since the begining, post re-design. It wasn't Seven, it wasn't NoDo, it wasn't Mango. It was Apollo...Windows Phone 8. With WP8, Microsoft intends to be on the same playing field as Android and IOS. Right now, they have showed bursts...but not the entire package.
I 'think' that updating previous devices 'may' be their plate, at some time. But, the majority, like 99.9% of their focus is on that playing field.
First leaked info on the next Nokia with WP8 indicate a stellar blockbuster device. See Verizon's comments about Windows Phone yesterday. Sprint too. The number of OEMs announcing WP8 devices is like 4 times the amount of Seven or Mango. Lumia 900 opened some eyes, but I personally think that Verizon and Sprint, to name 2, and ASUS and Toshiba and a host of other OEMs opted to move to WP8 instead of interim developement on Mango.
For me, I have an upgrade available right now. Unless some catestrophic event occurs, like the Mayans were right, thats earmarked for my WP8 device.

Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol

stratax said:
Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol
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We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.

alodar1 said:
We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.
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Yeah lol, i couldnt see the 1st gen getting the update especially since you cant even buy them anymore from retail stores anymore really. unless they have stock for some weird reason. the only phones i could see getting the update is the titan/2 and lumia 800/900 if even that

Stoked
Sounds like Microsoft has learned from the mistakes of the bigger OS'. Im glad I made the switch and i dont think Ill be going back.

Seed 2.0 said:
I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.
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Not saying you're lying or anything, but my Lumia 900 is WAY faster then my Focus. I actually was upset how slow my Focus acted once I had Exchange configured (and sync'ing my retarded number of calendar, contacts, e-mails), along with setting up integration with Facebook, Twitter, etc...
On my Lumia, no slowness whatsoever, menu loading, people loading, messages, and texts, are all real time.

slojko said:
who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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MSFT doesn't care. Most people are on a two year device upgrade cycle here in the US. Windows 8 phones will not be around in quantity for 6-8 months after the launch of the Lumia 900. So get a free Lumia 900 now or wait half a year+ and pay Lord knows what for a WP 8. I'm going to be 6-8 months into my contract before Windows 8 hits in quantity. And I have no idea when they will be selling at the very reasonable price the Lumia 900 is selling for now.
The average consumer (ie my mom and dad) is not going to care 8 months from now whether their free Lumia 900 can be upgraded to WP 8.
This forum is a tiny subset of the cell phone market. Apple has proven that you can have a multibillion dollar hit by completely ignoring the majority of the things people on this forum find important. I would much rather MSFT ruffle a few feathers in a niche group now and have outstanding software rather than make an "all things to all people" bloatware mess.

Will you buy a WP 8?

Just want to know how the situation is. Anyone still trust in Microsoft after abandoning Windows Mobile and now this with WP?

WP7.8 is pretty reasonable update, they should have just called it "WP8 for old phones" and everything would be fine... And I have a first-gen Samsung Omnia 7 and I'm going to buy a WP8 phone around christmas As well as Microsoft Surface, those seem to be pretty awesome tablets.

Yes, I'll probably upgrade to a WP8 device when my device is two years old, assuming there's a device with a good hardware keyboard. WP8 looks good and I prefer the WP experience.
Will probably be more cautious about recommending WP to others, however, especially in the period before new OS releases.

Well at the moment I'm really pissed how I spent my saved 350€ for a device (Lumia 800) that will be "outdated" OS vise after around a year. But I guess we will have to wait what the update brings. I don't need NFC as longs as Bluetooth can be used as a substitute (or maybe even WiFi). Also, I think the new Startscreen is somehow cluttered, but I guess I have to experience the look and feel. I surely hope that some software updates like the rumored notification system will come to current devices as well. Another thing is that my contract is due in 2013 so I have to stick around with this phone anyway. And as a poor student I cannot afford a new high-end phone every year. When the contract expires I will decide based on the existing choices and reevaluate the OS. I really like Windows Phone 7 but the whole update dilemma did not increase my thrust in neither Nokia nor Microsoft. I hope they keep their word that they are committed to bring future updates to existing devices. If not, I will move to another OS. It all depends how they handle Windows Phone 7 this and next year.

I switched to android last month from 1st gen wp because i knew they wouldn't update my wp.
I told myself i'll switch to wp8 if they do something android can't do. It doesn't look like that's the case.

I got my current WP7 device for nothing so I will get a WP8 phone when released if my carrier gives me a fair selection of devices.
I hope to have 7.8 soon so I can see if I like the feel of WP8. Infact I am going to install a dual boot with Windows 8 (the release) to see if I give it a chance...

Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...

freddx said:
So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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Let's just hope that 7.8 is not a huge update and it's something we can install right from here (XDA).
I wouldnt want to lose my custom rom right now.
As I have more thoughts here...
I guess the way MS planned it, if you were one of the first people to get WP7, you would be out of your 2 year by fall time (around release time). Sprint and Verizon (CDMA/LTE) customers would be ending their 2 year Spring/early Summer 2013 (I got mine with out a contract so I am good) due to late releases.
I think I am disapointed in the 18 month support only. I really think it should be 24 months, as most US carriers who have contracts are 2 years. Note: their exact quote was "18 months from the time the phone is released". Just because you get a new phone here in the US, that model could be out for over 3-4 months overseas. That could suck.
As for WP 7.8 all you will get is the new start menu that you can load up with more tiles. As a first gen user, I was kind of looking forward to upgrading my Trophy but, I guess I will be waiting till fall.
If you just picked up a new 2nd gen like a Lumia 900 or Titan 2, they are nice phones but, I would feel a little screwed.
After watching the entire conf today and the way they are talking C++ and direct hardware access, all I can say is this is the GAMING phone I have been waiting for. Everything WP7 should of been.
I enjoyed my WP7 device but, I can't wait for a WP8 device

vetvito said:
Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p ClearBlack display & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff

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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p screen & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen. Seriously, anybody liked the mini-tile? I dont think metro = square. At least, it was not. Just because that thing is a square form it's Metro UI. I wouldnt use, but its personal and I respect.
But hey, we are not receiving Skype, Multitasking, Turn-by-Turn, NT Kernel, and also, lets see if next year new apps will continue to be made thinking about WP 7 users. Or maybe 2014. Just like Android, 2.0 is already being forgotten.
If MS release at least Skype and Multitask, I will shut and smile.

Im pretty annoyed as well... I am also a student and cannot afford a new device every year. What kinda seems odd to me is that the current devices will not be upgradeable to the new nt core whilst microsoft and nokia and aims to sell low end devices (lower than current gen devices?) to compete with low end androids which presumably will be running on the nt core. Ultimately, as much as i love the looks of it, I will probably not be buying a windows 8 slate (unless they reach the sub £100 mark) so the integration features with windows phone 8 are not so important to me. The features that matter most to me would be updated bluetooth profiles (for bluetooth HID drivers), flash player (although there's no indication that WP8 does this either) and would like continued app support, better cloud/skydrive integration as well as a more complete office funtionality
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In a positive note, if microsoft really does put in the effort to compete with the low end android devices, we may see wp8 devices for as low as £60....

mikeeam said:
Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen.
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First of all no matter when MSFT does a reboot someone is going to have only had their phone for 6 months. That's true of all OSes. Secondly you don't even know what the new features of Windows Phone 7.8 are going to be. So claiming it's just a start screen is just BS.

I'll probably wait 2-3 months into the next year to buy one. I'll see if app developers choose to accept WP8 as a serious platform and start making apps for Windows Phone too. If all goes well, and there's a phone release around that time that actually looks good, I'll buy it. Also somebody might port WP8 over to some of the old devices. If that happens, it will delay me buying a WP8 by a month or two.

^ developers will take it seriously, native coding means a lot!
The new kernel means a lot! The old one was dead from the beginning.
MS just put a tomb stone on RIM, and are now standing on it pointing at Google and Apple saying "You're Next".
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I have a HTC HD7S first gen that I bought May last year. WP7.8 will be nice to get but would be disappointed to loose my custom rom hope MS offers dev release soon. Can't wait to get a tablet.
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I bought a samsung focus, but I won't upgrade to WP8. From what they showed today it's just catching up to what is out there on the other platforms, I'll keep the old WP7 phone around and get something else and buy the Surface laptop instead.
Maybe WP9, if the come out with some killer features in the future.

So glad that I got rid of my Samsung Focus and now the proud owner of the HTC One X. I started doubting the whole WP debacle when support for my Dell Venue Pro was dropped and I started smelling a scam. However, I still held on to my Samsung Focus since I hope that they will change. Luckily I changed my mind 2 weeks ago and sold my Focus for a good price. After this, there will be a lot of frustrated users trying to dump their WP on ebay, it would be hard to sell it at a good price now.
I used to be the HD2 owner that watched every single MS news hoping that they will change their mind and provide us with the upgrade. Ah, how I wished that I learned my lesson and never give M$ another chance. Technically speaking, I was shafted not only once but twice.
I was thinking about buying a Lumia 800 to try it out but no more, MS will never AGAIN get my money. I hope they burn in hell and fail miserably for what they did to the users.
And if you are still blindly supporting M$ after this, stop for a moment and think about how you have been treated. M$ is even worse than Google. Don't ever trust them. **** you M$.

Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Sorry dude, looks like no one here is blind, except you. I will be seeing you around at the WP9 announcement then, when your shiny 2-month old phone is cut off support that is.

The beta test is over I guess. I'm buying an iPhone.

I've been with you from the start Microsoft. I owned an early Windows Mobile 2003se device, and I loved it. The software was finicky, it crashed often but it was consistent and it was eons ahead of Palm. I was happy. I held on for as long as I could. But after the introduction of the iPhone, I couldn't hold on any longer. The software was going nowhere, and hardware was inferior and I had to move on. I always my fondness for the platform. Then Windows Phone 7 was introduced. It was new, it was clean, it was beautiful. But I had to hold off. Poor battery life, poor specs, high prices. This all changed with the Lumia 900. It was sleek, beautiful, had an amazing display, and it was right for me. So when my 5 year old iPhone died, I went out and bought one. I was happy. I did everything I asked it to and more. Then I heard the Apollo rumors. I was ecstatic! All WP7.5 devices would get WP8. All kinds of new features and worthwhile apps! I couldn't wait. Then this. Just when I was feeling comfortable with Windows Phone again, this new land that was different that iOS and Android that went against the grain, I found out it was much, much worse. I'm selling my Lumia 900 and buying an iPhone 4S. I'm not the first and I wont be the last. You let us believe everything. The little leaks and hints had our hopes up. I feel cheated, wronged, and above all, i'm leaving the platform for the last time. You've made it so i cant even look at my phone anymore without anger. GOOD JOB SH**SOFT, YOU DONE GOOFED UP THIS TIME.
ITS ONLY 2 MONTHS OLD.

You go get your Iphone 4S .............
I for one will keep my lumia 900.. simply because it does what it does best, and regardless of what microsoft does, nokia is keen to support its phone...
Apps coming from nokia
DLNA via NOKIA PLAY App
BETTERCAMERA with CAMERA EXTRA app
BETTER TRANSPORT with 2.1 update for the app
and lots of others,, list goes on and on

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You go get your Iphone 4S .............
I for one will keep my lumia 900.. simply because it does what it does best, and regardless of what microsoft does, nokia is keen to support its phone...
Apps coming from nokia
DLNA via NOKIA PLAY App
BETTERCAMERA with CAMERA EXTRA app
BETTER TRANSPORT with 2.1 update for the app
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I'd hate to burst your bubble, that's all WP8. 7.8 is JUST the homescreen.

I have to agree with Johnson on this one. I have been with windows mobile OS's since before they were phones and to tell me my two month old device is unsupported is a slap in the face.
I too plan to look elsewhere. They waited just long enough for the rush to be over on the lumia/HTC and samsungs and no early adopters can't return their device ?!
Thanks for nothing A$$hats.

Damn, I was looking at getting a Lumia 900...guess not :/ But I wouldn't suggest getting a 4S, the new iPhone will be coming out in a few months and you would be kicking yourself for getting a 4S now and then the new one coming out.

Well Microsoft will support device up to 2 years, as I know. So if you don't looking for dual-core CPU, NFC and other some features, than there isn't problem to stay with Nokia Lumia 900 or other first gen devices. So what is point to buy iPhone 4s if new iPhone come out in fall (WP8 devices as well).

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and to tell me my two month old device is unsupported is a slap in the face.
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True! Worst part is that they had to know when releasing the 900 that there would be no upgrade. That, to me is deliberate lies. I would have still bought a WP device I would have simply waited a little longer or maybe I would have bought the 900 anyways ...knowing in advance would've been the right thing to do. I now expect Nokia to make this up to us 900 owners.

Honestly, how can one expect Nokia to do anything. They were poorly managed for too many years, then latched on to WP. At launch of their flagship 900 on a flagship carrier (ATT), the device was defective. The $100 rebate was welcomed by early adopters, but they burned through even more cash. In the background, MS is drumming up the app count. Nokia is hanging on for their lives -- firing another 10,000 last week. Stock is down to $2.50 a share. Nokia's major announcement on 6/18? A symbian device.
As for the token of appreciation -- a windows 8 start screen??? You gotta be kidding me. No mention of integrating Skype into the OS? No background operation of skype?
The lumia 900 is a beautiful device. Like others, have been with wm since the pocket loox 600... just windows mobile. MS is putting together a competitive and compelling package, but threw early supporters of WP7 under the bus of MS progress and Nokia survival.
Short of a fully functioning skype client, IE10, camera fix, and restoration of the network settings app, i too will be shopping for new hardware at the end of this year and for the first time, it may not be running on windows.

aquanaut88 said:
Short of a fully functioning skype client, IE10, camera fix, and restoration of the network settings app, i too will be shopping for new hardware at the end of this year and for the first time, it may not be running on windows.
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I'm with you bud... I've been using Microsoft's phone's since the first "Red E" development phone that ran Windows Smartphone 2002 and everything in between till now...
This is un-acceptable. I'm pissed...
I know developers who are pissed too, they've spent forever on some really cool "BIG" projects, 50% on the way to having finished products... And now they have no idea where they sit as far as development goes, etc...

Zhariak said:
I know developers who are pissed too, they've spent forever on some really cool "BIG" projects, 50% on the way to having finished products... And now they have no idea where they sit as far as development goes, etc...
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They have already said the apps will go forward, just not backwards...... Still sucks nonetheless. =/

well, I'll just look at the bright side,,, there are some good apps coming for the Lumia on Friday, is a beautiful device, so I will keep it until WP8 devices come into market,,, there's always craigslist, so I will probably get around $180.00 for it by that time, minus let say $500.00 on a craigslist WP8 device I will end up paying $320.00 which is not bad for being out of contract... But selling the Lumia now to get an iPhone is ridiculousness.

Im pretty sure WP7 apps running on WP8 will be more of a compatibility sort of thing... And with the changes who knows when they might dump that ability and require an entire re write...
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express

I think Zhariak may have been talking about software houses like sbsh, spb, WebIS, and others who built out a stable of useful, innovative applications for windows mobile and got left behind with WP7.

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I'd hate to burst your bubble, that's all WP8. 7.8 is JUST the homescreen.
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I believe its for 7.5 actually in the next coming weeks according to Nokia's Official Blog.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/06/20/new-nokia-apps-zynga-games-to-make-your-lumia-even-better/
Still, it still feels like lies with how the timing is. Any class action suits? (guess if there is Nokia couldn't pay it, thus putting them out, thus killing any updates for the Lumias, lol).

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I believe its for 7.5 actually in the next coming weeks according to Nokia's Official Blog.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/06/20/new-nokia-apps-zynga-games-to-make-your-lumia-even-better/
Still, it still feels like lies with how the timing is. Any class action suits? (guess if there is Nokia couldn't pay it, thus putting them out, thus killing any updates for the Lumias, lol).
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The home screen update still TBD according to @NokiaUS

Since I basically got the Lumia for free, after rebate, the only downer is that I will have to buy my Win 8 device at full retail, at about the same time that I'll be getting a Win 8 Tablet. Can you say hole in the wallet

It's like when I got my iPhone 4 loved it to death, then two months later iPhone 4S came out; better processor, Siri, etc.
Now I got my Nokia Lumia 900 not 2 days ago, fell in love with this phone, and I see this "No upgrade to Windows Phone 8" for this ****ing phone?
What the hell?!! I don't want on ****ty skin + extra glitter 7.8

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It's like when I got my iPhone 4 loved it to death, then two months later iPhone 4S came out; better processor, Siri, etc.
Now I got my Nokia Lumia 900 not 2 days ago, fell in love with this phone, and I see this "No upgrade to Windows Phone 8" for this ****ing phone?
What the hell?!! I don't want on ****ty skin + extra glitter 7.8
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If you got it 2 days ago you should still be able to return it and go back to your 4s

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If you got it 2 days ago you should still be able to return it and go back to your 4s
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Providers may offer that in the US. But it's not like that around the world...

No WP8, I too find it irratating, it makes me mad... considered even crying about it.. still thinking about it, I might have some time after 2:30 today. Would it make me switch to another platform?????? Why? Do you really think Apple is any different? Which phones does Siri work on? Across the board on all iPhones... um no.. is it some hardware issue?? Mic on a iPhone 3G not strong enough? Whatever the reason is. If you need a personal relationship with a computer and not people... buy only the latest iPhone (Then be ok with the idea The O/S is gonna change for the upcoming iPhone 5 and some new features will be iPhone 5 exclusive). I can't tell you how many Andriod phones out there DID NOT RECIEVE ICE CREAM SANDWICH... way too many, but the vast majority of people out there don't have a clue.
It sucks, it's wrong.. but lets not pretend Microsoft is some greedy software giant and Apple is some poor underdog that just takes such great care of their customers..... those days are gone!!! long gone, Apple is the company that was litterally sitting on a pile of money that they did not know what to do with. That is not an opinion, it's a fact... look it up, made headline news. Don't even get me started on Google, that company is like a data minning crack whore with a needle jammed in her track filled arm wipping her mouth from the last customer and asking for a kiss. Yeah I have an Andriod tablet and I find myself using it so little since I bought the lumia.
After writting this I realize, no need to cry... I am dissapointed in Microsoft, but it is what it is. As far others and my HD2... Who is anyone fooling????? Anyone on XDA could have made a mint on that baby. I ran WM, Andriod and WP7... sold it with WP7 for almost what I paid for it. Who knows maybe the Lumia will go the same way maybe not... I only paid $380 for it. If I get $200 for it when I sell it I got my Money's worth

MS + Carrier Woes :(

I have two bones to pick, one with MS, and one with Carriers:
First, MS promised small intermittent updates, and major updates at least once a year. For the most part they have delivered, in theory. We saw Mango around October of last year. Woohoo, it was great, started to fill the gap, but still left us wanting. We all eagerly anticipated what MS had up its sleeve next.
The same month they release a fitly update, 7.10.7740.16, that didn't really do much of anything, low and behold, ATT never rolled that one out....go figure....
There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79. Luckily this fixed my gmail sync issue, so that was nice. LTE support is a bonus, if you happen to be in one of the few areas ATT has such a service, no luck for me though. Again, ATT didn't bother with this one, so I had to manually push it.
We start finally hearing some details about Tango in March. Come to find out, its really just an MS push into emerging markets, and really won't add anything new except for some additional SMS capabilities. This update starts to roll out in June. If it were up to ATT, i would still be running 7720, a full three versions, and 9 months old. Not with the help of XDA though....
Its not that I really need the updates, again, they don't really do anything, the change log list is either incredibly omissive or simply childish in length. its the principle. You promised me updates, I want them dammit! And I want them now! Preferably with some actual updates....that is....How about MS and Nokia get together and work towards fixing this shoddy camera quality you shipped the Lumia with??? People might actually appreciate that work....
Now to WP8. MS totally screws us with this, as all we are ending up getting is an ugly home screen update....Thanks a lot, my 3 month old Lumia salutes you, as does its infantile ATT 2 year contract. But you stuck with your promise, a major update once a year. Looks like we will be seeing Apollo around when Mango was shipped last year. Guess we can't argue with that logic...
Could be worse I suppose. I could have an Android device with a 9 month and standing promise to update to ICS.....o that's right....that's exactly what I have with ATT.....bah humbug....except ATT hasn't actually promised any updates at all, and customers will probably never see Tango. At least we can look on the bright side, the updates don't actually do anything anyway, so no harm no foul, right?
Anyway, in a total of the 9 months since MS officially released Mango, we have gotten 3 quasi-widely pushed updates, so long as you are not an ATT customer that is (ok MS seems to be doing what they promised), however, in said time, the only real additions were two bug fixes and some SMS bull. 9 months in the making.....really??? Granted they must be spending a lot of resources on WP8, and its great that they are developing the platform and pushing it further, but how does that help me???? Absolutely in no way shape or form.
For comparison (and simply that) ICS was released right along with Mango, and they have rolled out three updates (unlike MS these actually did things and improved the OS substantially), and are now on a major refresh after 9 months, Jelly Bean. My comparison ends there.....
And what about the Carriers??? I took me a total of 10 minutes a piece to deliver myself each of the updates we have gotten our hands on here. WTF are the carriers doing with my money??? Surely not expanding its LTE network, and surely not building new towers so I can actually get a bar or two at work....god forbid...
Androids Carrier/OEM problem is probably even worse than what I have seen from ATT and MS, and Apples updates seems to break more than they fix, but I really feel like MS has kicked us to the curb not only with promised updates, but also with the WP8 announcement.
/end rant
I will stick with MS, and will probably use my wife's upgrade to deliver me a WP8 phone late this year, simply because there is no better options. What OEMs do to Android should be a crime, and I cant bring myself to support the tyrant that is Apple, nor jump on its fanboy bandwagon. WP is truly a superior product, even if it still lacks a few bells and whistles. Anyone who actually cares about their experience cannot deny that.
But seriously MS, you are letting us down. Its because of people like me that this thing is still afloat, and you are treating me like a red headed step child. Get with it already!
If you are still with me, thanks for reading, hope to see any thoughtful comments offered.

emjlr3 said:
There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79.
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Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.

karan1203 said:
Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.
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More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.

At&t is supposedly starting to roll out Tango on some of their Windows Phones.
As far as you just getting your Lumia goes, I wish Nokia and/or Microsoft would implement some trade-up program. That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.

I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
Guess AT&T did not get or agree with that memo...
The way I see it blame falls on the AT&T death star.

More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.
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yes ATT has been horrible, but what can one do that really matters? Verizon I have heard hasn't been much better - they are used to A. Apple pushing its own updates, and letting them have their way, and B. not giving a **** about Android updates, because it takes OEMS 9 months to "refresh" their skins.
That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.
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Nokia lost and arm and a leg giving away the Lumia for $100, and then for free, not so sure they could survive another such Apocalypse only a few months later.
I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
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if that is the case, there was probably verbiage in there delineating the option to only major rehashes - but seriously, the Carriers have nothing to do, just push it?!?!?!

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Do you have to use the word "end" if you're already using a forward slash to close the "rant" tag? Just wondering

no clue, I am a biochemist, not a computer programmer

The AT&T death star has already gotten the $$ from the sale of the phones. Updates do not create income so it is low on the radar. Besides death stars only want to deal with planets.
Sent from my LG-C900 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

well they didn't make **** off my phone sale, now aside from that stupid contract price I pay every month....