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finally got wp7.....wow..

Wow is all I can say...I bought the focus and the UI blew me away as soon as I turned it on, I bought the focus. I have used all the mobile OS and this by far is the most sleek, easy to use, and just plain nice of all, I don't miss c&p bug I do miss multitasking in apps like last.fm, I can still send it back and get something else, but what's better then this? I'm typing this from wp7 now and man this keyboard is awesome, the level of little details they put into wp7 is crazy, gotta say I'm really impressed here, I'm sticking with this for a while to see where this goes, hopefully MS stays true to their word and keeps on supporting with updates, as for apps, I've come to realize that I don't need a million apps, I only use like 20 anyway, but it seems to be growing fast anyway. All in all super impressed with wp7,9/10 from me and if this keeps getting better, I don't see myself going back to anything else.

Yea I played with the Focus today at the AT&T(worst wireless carrier in the universe) store and I love the UI and how smooth the OS is. I'm currently on Evo 4G, but I'm considering WP7 once it comes to Sprint. I previously had the iPhone 3GS and WP7 user experience is very comparable with iOS. While I like Android the lack of GPU acceleration is a huge issue, until that's implemented the user experience will never compare to iOS and WP7. I'm holding out for the January update to see if MS adds free turn by turn navigation, better landscape support(what idiot decided that you can't input a URL in landscape mode?), flash and copy and paste.

Is there a list of wp7 problems or missing features? Cause it seems like I'm missing very little atm.

solidkevin said:
Is there a list of wp7 problems or missing features? Cause it seems like I'm missing very little atm.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814075
first pinned thread.
though i'm happy with my phone.

Believe it Or not I am very tempted to get an n8 as well, saw it in person and wow, what excellent hardware!! And it does all those little things like mass storage etc. Anyone here have an n8?

N8, looks great. But lacks balls and has a very crappy OS. Know of two friends whom have returned them. Due to bad reception and a buggy slow OS playing up..
Go Android or if you must iPh or W7 if you want all that exchange compatibility with MS apps etc at work.
That's where it is at...
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solidkevin: The windows phone might have some small problems but that nothing compared to the N8. I only hear bad stories from people that have that phone.

KMino said:
N8, looks great. But lacks balls and has a very crappy OS. Know of two friends whom have returned them. Due to bad reception and a buggy slow OS playing up..
Go Android or if you must iPh or W7 if you want all that exchange compatibility with MS apps etc at work.
That's where it is at...
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Symbian has way better Exchange functionality than Windows Phone 7. WP7 may not be thoroughly suitable for serious business use until Q3/Q4 2011. It's not the device/OS to get if you want great Exchange support. An HD2 or Blackberry Torch would be optimal for business use (assuming you like Touchscreens, otherwise a Bold would do).
There is no comparison between WM6.5/Symbian and WP7 when it comes to Exchange support. WP7's support is actually kind of embarassing considering it comes from Microsoft, TBQH. It's better than Android at least, and maybe on par with iOS, or perhaps a little worse than Apple, even - at the moment, at least.
Yes, the N8 isn't the best device, but it works well. Nokia will be patching Symbian the same way MS will be patching WP7. If you can deal with Windows Phone 7 and its functionality gaps, etc. then I don't see why anyone can simply discount an N8 when it's not out of the realm of possibility that it too can/will benefit from updates from Nokia.
Symbian also supports the ActiveSync Protocol, more Media formats, more DRM formats (including Windows Media DRM for syncing ZunePass subscription content to the phone).
The worse thing about Symbian is the user interface and the Screen Resolution of their touchscreen phones (what an odd choice of resolution, IMO).
I'm not even gonna continue. I've gotten my point across by now, hopefully.
The Samsung Focus is available for 79 bucks on contract at the local Wal-Mart here. The 8GB storage is a showstopper, though. I'm not playing SD Roulette with a phone. 16GB is the bare minimum I can put up with. The build quality isn't all that great. The back cover pulls off like a cheap hooker's bra.
TBQH, the only WP7 device I feel is worth buying is the Dell Venue Pro. Fortunately it's on T-Mobile and I get Corporate Discounts from Dell, so I'm sort of thinking about it. It's a shame the HD7 has such terrible build quality with such a bad LCD on it... Thoroughly pissed me off...
But I'm going to wait until CES. Maybe an Android device from a decent manufacturer will come out and I will stick it out here.
Judging from what Microsoft is saying, it's gonna take them a year to really get WP7 functionality up to par and judging form my experience with this phone... I simply don't have the patience for that...
I also want to see if RIM will come out with a decent Touchscreen phone soon with a more refined/better OS on it, as well. We'll see at CES. I'm holding off all purchases until then.

Well while I AM enjoying the focus at the moment, I am waiting for CES as well, I want to see what everyone offers as far as Android and Hopefully Nokia shows what it plans to do with Symbian because if it gets a revamp, I may have to get the N8, I will have a lot of money to spend, because I sold the extra focus I had (buy one get one free ATT), so If I want something else I can sell this one as well. But yea hopefully theres some interesting things at CES, really just Android and Symbian are what interest me though.

solidkevin said:
Well while I AM enjoying the focus at the moment, I am waiting for CES as well, I want to see what everyone offers as far as Android and Hopefully Nokia shows what it plans to do with Symbian because if it gets a revamp, I may have to get the N8, I will have a lot of money to spend, because I sold the extra focus I had (buy one get one free ATT), so If I want something else I can sell this one as well. But yea hopefully theres some interesting things at CES, really just Android and Symbian are what interest me though.
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Isn't it just Nokia now who are actively developing Symbian?

Symbian will be ditched to midend and Meego or however it's called will be used as highend platform. Known for months.
Symbian development is over for me. Nokia has a reeeaally hard time to give really competitive hardwarwe. I would forget it.
And yes, only Nokia does Symbian. All of the rest kicked it out, significant move.

N8ter said:
Symbian has way better Exchange functionality than Windows Phone 7. WP7 may not be thoroughly suitable for serious business use until Q3/Q4 2011. It's not the device/OS to get if you want great Exchange support. An HD2 or Blackberry Torch would be optimal for business use (assuming you like Touchscreens, otherwise a Bold would do).
There is no comparison between WM6.5/Symbian and WP7 when it comes to Exchange support. WP7's support is actually kind of embarassing considering it comes from Microsoft, TBQH. It's better than Android at least, and maybe on par with iOS, or perhaps a little worse than Apple, even - at the moment, at least.
Yes, the N8 isn't the best device, but it works well. Nokia will be patching Symbian the same way MS will be patching WP7. If you can deal with Windows Phone 7 and its functionality gaps, etc. then I don't see why anyone can simply discount an N8 when it's not out of the realm of possibility that it too can/will benefit from updates from Nokia.
Symbian also supports the ActiveSync Protocol, more Media formats, more DRM formats (including Windows Media DRM for syncing ZunePass subscription content to the phone).
The worse thing about Symbian is the user interface and the Screen Resolution of their touchscreen phones (what an odd choice of resolution, IMO).
I'm not even gonna continue. I've gotten my point across by now, hopefully.
The Samsung Focus is available for 79 bucks on contract at the local Wal-Mart here. The 8GB storage is a showstopper, though. I'm not playing SD Roulette with a phone. 16GB is the bare minimum I can put up with. The build quality isn't all that great. The back cover pulls off like a cheap hooker's bra.
TBQH, the only WP7 device I feel is worth buying is the Dell Venue Pro. Fortunately it's on T-Mobile and I get Corporate Discounts from Dell, so I'm sort of thinking about it. It's a shame the HD7 has such terrible build quality with such a bad LCD on it... Thoroughly pissed me off...
But I'm going to wait until CES. Maybe an Android device from a decent manufacturer will come out and I will stick it out here.
Judging from what Microsoft is saying, it's gonna take them a year to really get WP7 functionality up to par and judging form my experience with this phone... I simply don't have the patience for that...
I also want to see if RIM will come out with a decent Touchscreen phone soon with a more refined/better OS on it, as well. We'll see at CES. I'm holding off all purchases until then.
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Good post. You made some valid points, but I got the impression that you believe MS dropped the ball with WP7, and I don't believe that to be a true..or even fair assessment.
It is the nature of version 1.0 of just about anything to be incomplete..to be a work in progress. In regards to smart phone OS's, its always been that way. iOS v1.0 was very limited, as was Android 1.0, and so on so forth. I was an early adopter of both platforms and was at times frustrated by the limitations. But, as an early adopter I understood that this was the way it usually is, and that things would gradually flesh out.
For me, iOS never did "flesh out" enough. I've always loved the smoothness and general quality of iOS and the iPhone, but I found myself bored by it. Android did grow and develop quickly enough to keep me engaged, and I still enjoy the control I have when using Android...and also enjoy that the relatively open nature of it allows be to constantly tinker with my device. But, even though I usually enjoy doing so, the main reason I'm always tinkering with my Android devices is because I've never been satisfied with how they felt. I hate the apparently inherent choppiness and occasional lag of Android, and my main motivation for rooting my Android devices had always been to try to get rid that.
Somewhere between those 2 extremes lies WP7. Yes, in some regards it is limited. But, I can accept this for now because, as I mentioned earlier it is v1.0 and I know these limitations are being worked on as we speak. Many people are refusing to accept that, though...and it seems that you're one of them.
The gist of the argument seems to be that MS came late to the party, so they had already known what the dress code was, and shouldve showed up fully decked out. That they shouldn't have released v1.0 until it matched its contemporaries feature for feature. I disagree with this. I think MS was right in getting a v1.0 that provided the basic user experience that they were aiming for out there as soon as was possible. Did this strategy suddenly propel WP7 to the top of the smart phone world? No, not even close. But it has managed to grab just about everyone's attention...and has solidified it's position as a viable player. I believe that is all MS wanted to accomplish by rushing to release v1.0 just before the holiday season...and I also believe that it was better for them to do so than for them to sit out until after the holidays.
I am convinced that WP7 v1.0 is the best 1.0 smart phone OS released to date. I think that MS got the basics incredibly right...and that the limitations are going to begin to be addressed very soon. Yes, MS was late to the party, but they've shown up with more style than anyone else, if not with as much substance...and they are moving much faster than both Google and Apple did to provide said substance. WP7 is a joy to interact with. It is beautiful. It's fun. So much so, that despite the current limitations, I choose to use my HD7 as my daily driver...and to leave my Android phones at home.
WP7 is in many ways very good right now, and it has an extremely bright future. I can understand that some of you don't have the patience to wait for WP7 to catch up in the few areas that it's lacking in, but such patience is a prerequisite of being a happy early adopter. If you can't enjoy experiencing the growth process of a new platform, then maybe being an early adopter isn't for you. But, please people, don't make it seem like MS blew it in regards to WP7, because that couldn't be further from the truth.
Oh, one last thing. How in the world does the HD7 have horrible build quality?? Yes, as you tilt the phone away from the optimal viewing angle, the colors somewhat fade. It is not an AMOLED screen and the black levels pale in comparison..quite literally. But, when I use my phone, I tend to keep it within the optimal viewing angles...and within those parameters, the HD7's screen displays good and VERY natural colors..unlike the overwhelmingly oversaturated colors that my Galaxy S displays...and without any banding.
Also, I love the 4.3" screen. Those extra .3" make a real difference. Do I prefer the outrageously deep blacks and the incredibly effective viewing angles of the Super AMOLED screen? Yes, if course. But, I prefer my HD7's spacious, natural looking screen in every other way.
Outside of the screen though, I don't see how anyone can critize it's quality. I've owned MANY top of the line mobile devices, and none have felt better in the hand than the HD7. It looks good and feels good because HD7 uses high quality materials..unlike Samsung. People complain about the thinness of the back cover. It is just as thin..or thick, as the one on the Evo...and I don't see anyone criticizing it's quality. Despite being thin, it feels great when attached to the phone. The soft touch surface is great.
I'm also aware of the complaints about a relatively large gap between the removable and fixed portions if the back of the phone. I found this to be an optical illusion caused by the unfortunate location of the white sim card right where it's partially visible through the gap. But, I found an easy fix. I pulled my SIM card and colored the upper third of it with a black sharpie. Guess what...after that, the so called huge gap magically disappeared. The gap itself is no larger than on most phones. The location of the sim card was the problem. It looks great after taking a sharpie to it.

I can't reply to all the parts of that. Will take too long.
The build quality of the HD7 is terrible compared to the Dell Venue Pro. HTC was never known for having superior build quality. The HD2 was pretty good, though. Don't know why they paid so little attention to the HD7...
The HD7 has basically the same LCD panel from the Evo and/or HD2. It's not a good panel. It has bad color saturation and terrible viewing angles. It's also overly reflective. Size can only make up for so much, but you can get a Dell Venur Pro 16GB on contract for $50 less than an HD7 and the screen is only 0.2" smaller. The HD7 is a pretty bad phone by current standards. They used parts from last year to build a phone this year, and it's pretty apparent if you look at it next to other WP7 devices.
You can harp on the oversaturation in sAMOLED panels, but the fact and the matter is that it blows this crappy HD7 panel out of the water in almost any category. Viewing Angles, Brightness, Color Representation, etc. It's a bad screen. You can't make excuses for that... It almost looks foggy compared to an AMOLED panel (even something like the MyTouch 4G screen is obviously better).
Also, it has a smaller battery than some Blackberry Curve smartphones. 1150 mAh... Seriously? Anyone who uses their phone moderately will not be able to get good battery life out of that. It may be fine for YOU, at least now, especially with no third-party multi-tasking (this also makes WP7 perform artificially better compared to competing products - it only has to do one task at a time), but once that update comes and you're running 3-4 apps concurrently it will nosedize. All reviews has been pretty negative on the small battery in the phone.
The camera also isn't anything to rave about.
The materials used to build the phone are pretty dubious.
Build quality means the hardware build quality. It has nothing to do with the software.
Moving on to the software (WP7). Yes, they dropped the ball. They missed an opportunity to get a ton of frustrated Nokia and RIM users, as well as pick off more Android/iOS users when they decided to rush the OS out 6-12 months early with entire classes of functinality missing.
WP7 fails as a business phone right now, and Microsoft saying they're focusing on consumers is nothing short of an excuse. They said it will take almost a year to bake the business into the phone, so obviously that was in the roadmap. What they did was rush it out to try to save face while they "finished' the job. Coming from Android and Windows Mobile, some people are tired waiting on Manufacturers, etc. to "finish the job" while they sit there with a down syndrome phone saying "look how smooth it is, it's worth it!"
No HTML5 in the browser. No multi-tasking, C&P, embarassing Exchange Policy Support for a Microsoft OS, a user interface that in several areas looks like only 5 minutes was dedicated to design (Calendar, Dialer, etc.), lack of Flash (oand/r Silverlight), etc. Even blackberries have an HTML browser, now Not to mention WP7 didn't evne attempt to really exploit the enhancements made in Microsoft Exchange to convince business users to use it instead of RIM/Nokie/WM6.5 devices...
If you read my posts in this thread, you can clearly see that I'm not some Anti-WP7 fanboi.
But I think some people are making this OS to be way better than it actually is.
It really isn't revolutionary in any way, and falls on it face in many areas given what competing products can do and [rightfully] assuming competing products will improve as well.
The only thing that's really good about WP7 is the fact that it doubles up as a ZuneHD.
But a ZuneHD is cheaper than a whole smartphone and at this point in time it's almost worth buying an Andriod/iOS device and carrying a (much smaller) ZuneHD around than buying a WP7 device.
The hardware isn't all that good right now (will probably make a lot of "early adopters" mad at CES), and the manufacturers are paying little attention to what they're putting out.
If the Dell Venue Pro was in T-Mobile stores they would hardly sell any HD7s.

Sorry, gotta disagree about the dvp. It has already been recalled twice due to issues. How can you be confident that you will get 2 years out of it?
Coming from the hd2, the hd7 screen is fine. Maybe coming from a vibrant, its an issue, but I have seen more complaints about oversaturation and color banding of the focus screen then I have of the "washed out" look of the hd7.
I was a little worried about the back of the hd7, coming from the brushed aluminum back of the hd2, but since I'm not having to constantly pop the back to reset the phone, the back is no longer a worry and the texture is nice.
I've owned 4 HTC devices and overall the phones have been great. The best of them all (the hd2), is the only one that I had to replace due to failure. I consider that pretty good.
Maybe some early adopters will be frustrated by CES, but I doubt it. There haven't been many leaks of newer wp7 devices on the horizon. I think it might be fall before the next Gen wp7 devices hit, a full year after the hd7, which is about normal for new devices.
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I had an hd2 before this. I'm not blind and pretty much every review said the screen was pretty bad.
Dev has a warranty. Ill get enough time out of it until I get a mew device, if I get it. It a better phone than the hd7, in every imaginable way.
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N8er
So now after fighting with everybody and proving WP7 is the best,
you say it basically sucks?
Hard to believe.
And apparently you don't have WP7 device?

It's all well and good comparing feature lists, but really when you are talking about a smart mobile phone, it comes down to usability.
I put up with the quirks of WM5, 6.1 and 6.5 for a few years. While it did technically have a lot of features, it was slow and a pain in the ass to use. And if anyone not familiar with the phone used it they were immediately lost.
Now I'm using WP7 (HD7) since October and it just works. It's fast and everything is intuitive and makes sense. And oddly enough I am only very rarely missing some advanced features. For example, I thought I'd be crippled without tethering, but as it turns out I am using my laptop via tethering much less when I'm travelling because the mobile browser and mobile apps on WP7 are so much better than any previous mobile browsers I'd used, so I'm more likely to use it rather than just getting frustrated and dragging out the laptop to use the "proper" browser. The great WP7 keyboard has a lot to do with this.
And if I lend my phone to someone else so they can make a call or check their email or whatever, they can use it! WP7 passes the idiot test! I would actually get this phone for my father!
A few days ago I met a techy friend who's a nokia die-hard, he had just purchased the N8. We swapped phones for half an hour to test them out, and the look on his face afterwards was proof enough that MS is on to something. My initial impression of the N8 software was that Nokia hasn't changed their OS since 1999. There was an impressive list of features for sure, if you could find them, as the menu system and shortcuts confused the hell out of me. And fonts were tiny everywhere. Maybe I'm just spoiled by WP7 now, but the experience of using the N8 was dreadful.
TLDR; You can compare a list of features as much as you like to see which is best; but you have to experience it to appreciate it. And WP7 seems to have the edge in this regard at the moment, even above iOS and Android.

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nrfitchett4 said:
Sorry, gotta disagree about the dvp. It has already been recalled twice due to issues. How can you be confident that you will get 2 years out of it?
Coming from the hd2, the hd7 screen is fine. Maybe coming from a vibrant, its an issue, but I have seen more complaints about oversaturation and color banding of the focus screen then I have of the "washed out" look of the hd7.
I was a little worried about the back of the hd7, coming from the brushed aluminum back of the hd2, but since I'm not having to constantly pop the back to reset the phone, the back is no longer a worry and the texture is nice.
I've owned 4 HTC devices and overall the phones have been great. The best of them all (the hd2), is the only one that I had to replace due to failure. I consider that pretty good.
Maybe some early adopters will be frustrated by CES, but I doubt it. There haven't been many leaks of newer wp7 devices on the horizon. I think it might be fall before the next Gen wp7 devices hit, a full year after the hd7, which is about normal for new devices.
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"over saturation and color banding", I have no idea what you are talking about. I have had the focus for a week now and the screen is amazing. I don't even use my laptop any longer, just IE on the Focus. I was an HTC advocate for years (8125, 8525, FUZE) and switched to the Focus after careful consideration and will never look back. I have heard these criticisms of the screen and quite frankly don't see any of it. Am I just lucky? I have been to three ATT stores and played with 3 different Focus's before buying and did not experience these screen issues.

N8ter said:
I had an hd2 before this. I'm not blind and pretty much every review said the screen was pretty bad.
Dev has a warranty. Ill get enough time out of it until I get a mew device, if I get it. It a better phone than the hd7, in every imaginable way.
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the reviews I've read, had the screen as the "worst" of the wp7 phones, but due to bigger color range of wp7, the screen looked better than the hd2. Being the worst of the wp7 phones, is like saying the worst between a lcd, a plasma, and a dlp t.v. They are all perfectly acceptable, some people like lcd, some like plasma, I like dlp because it looks better for sports.
As far as the dvp begin better than the hd7, what are you basing this on? Hardly anyone has been able to get their hands on one. You can't go to a store and try it out since its only coming through dell and MS.
HD7 has a bigger screen, and more RAM.
Hell, even engadget can't get a review out because their demo units keep breaking...
We get it, you hate the hd7, but I don't think the dvp is any better.

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"over saturation and color banding", I have no idea what you are talking about. I have had the focus for a week now and the screen is amazing. I don't even use my laptop any longer, just IE on the Focus. I was an HTC advocate for years (8125, 8525, FUZE) and switched to the Focus after careful consideration and will never look back. I have heard these criticisms of the screen and quite frankly don't see any of it. Am I just lucky? I have been to three ATT stores and played with 3 different Focus's before buying and did not experience these screen issues.
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nothing new for CES 2011 for WP7 ?

Anyone hear anything besides CDMA coming in Q1 ? I've been following all day nothing so far on any new models or anything on brands.
I've seen a bunch of phones but, all that Anroid crap... (sorry fanboys, I'm not a fan)
Did anyone else see anything ?

Nothing really new.
When an MS rep was questioned, he did say something like (I'm paraphrasing), "We're saving some news for a later date. Only if there was an event coming up dedicated to mobile devices in Barcelona, Spain where we could talk about this..."
Making a not so thinly veiled reference to the Mobile World Congress starting on February 14th.

I honestly didn't think there was anything exciting at CES. Dual core is nothing without the apps to back it up. As a former Android user, I didn't find anything interesting. Maybe that is because T-Mobile didn't announce a superphone and I will not break my contract.
They will drop a couple devices in February. Maybe in Spain.
Than again, sometime in the Fall.

Yea, nothing good, it sucks to be honest with ya.... It's not over yet (later date ?) but, I guess we'll see.
We CDMA people have to wait till Feb before we hear anything about a CDMA WP7 ? I feel like one of those (you know who you are) Verizon iPhone people, just waiting and waiting....
I'll have to admit, some of those Android phones looked nice just only if they had WP7 on them, it would be great.

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Yea, nothing good, it sucks to be honest with ya.... It's not over yet (later date ?) but, I guess we'll see.
We CDMA people have to wait till Feb before we hear anything about a CDMA WP7 ? I feel like one of those (you know who you are) Verizon iPhone people, just waiting and waiting....
I'll have to admit, some of those Android phones looked nice just only if they had WP7 on them, it would be great.
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It is over on Sunday (I think) and there are still companies that need to present. I believe that Sprint has yet to present knowing that AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon already presented.
Someone said that the HTC Trophy is coming very soon. Just passed the FCC with Verizon's banding.
But all of the Android phones have skins. Oddly enough, only one of them had Gingerbread and it is not even on a US carrier anytime soon.

I am not sure if there is anything new - as in the case you haven't yet heard of - coming on MWC, MS has a single stand at the event.

i was really expecting some aha announcements from balmer and his team. just some rattling on about nothing really, ahem xbox this and that. he's really looking old and tired now.
really expecting to see some cool innovations. maybe those projector phones with 12 hour batteries and lte connectivity ? well, no.
of course there are android phones everywhere (ya i'm a big fan) but expected more there also. one dual core phone. well, ok. if i get my nexus one, g2, g1, and wifes g2 all together, i'll have 4 cores really close to each other. woooo-p.
tell the truth i'd get more excited if there was some shazam new battery tech announced that let a badass smartphone run for a week on a charge that i'd be if there was a quad core handset.
tablets, good lord tablets everywhere ! and honeycomb is really going to be tailored specifically for tablets. sweet. nice to see a company making a specific OS for tablets.
things that aren't selling me:
tablets (too big for phoning, too small for real computing)
front facing cameras
barely usable batteries
gee-wiz dual cores/quad cores
kick stands
anything that isn't a micro-usb (c'mon already, standards!)
things taht would get me hot to buy:
LTE (the upgrade to this g2 with 6-7Mbps is pretty smokin fast, i want more though)
led projector, HD quality
720p that rivaled the iphone's (their stuff is really, really , really good)
a week long battery
waterproof
drop proof

canadariot2312 said:
Someone said that the HTC Trophy is coming very soon. Just passed the FCC with Verizon's banding.
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Where did you read "The Entry level WP7 device" AKA HTC The Trophy just passed FCC banding ??
If it just got passed, it could be a few months before anyone sees it... Not sure I want the Trophy anyway, it's the lowest end model out of all current WP7 phones...
I'd rather have the Pro 7 (yea, the one Sprint is getting), I was hoping for something else on Verizon than just the Trophy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, after 1 billion planned and millions so far spent on adveristing for WP7, Verizon and Sprint will not come to market with just 1 device each.
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tell the truth i'd get more excited if there was some shazam new battery tech announced that let a badass smartphone run for a week on a charge that i'd be if there was a quad core handset.
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I want every year to hear some magical new battery that is taking over that will go from hours of use to 100's of hours of use but, nothing ever comes up. Yea, let me get a Quad core CPU on a phone that only gets 1.5 hours talk time, YEA !!!!!
Out of all the stuff they come up, they can't solve a simple battery problem ? WTF ???

DavidinCT said:
Where did you read "The Entry level WP7 device" AKA HTC The Trophy just passed FCC banding ??
If it just got passed, it could be a few months before anyone sees it... Not sure I want the Trophy anyway, it's the lowest end model out of all current WP7 phones...
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DavidinCT said:
Where did you read "The Entry level WP7 device" AKA HTC The Trophy just passed FCC banding ??
If it just got passed, it could be a few months before anyone sees it... Not sure I want the Trophy anyway, it's the lowest end model out of all current WP7 phones...
I'd rather have the Pro 7 (yea, the one Sprint is getting), I was hoping for something else on Verizon than just the Trophy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, after 1 billion planned and millions so far spent on adveristing for WP7, Verizon and Sprint will not come to market with just 1 device each.
I want every year to hear some magical new battery that is taking over that will go from hours of use to 100's of hours of use but, nothing ever comes up. Yea, let me get a Quad core CPU on a phone that only gets 1.5 hours talk time, YEA !!!!!
Out of all the stuff they come up, they can't solve a simple battery problem ? WTF ???
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simple? if it was so simple why wouldn't you or anyone else for that matter do it? I guess its because im an engineer and i know science that i find this statement ridiculous. Lithium is the best element for energy storage and that is already being used. This is because lithum's desire to give elections away on it outer shell (hydrogen ist because it is hofbrincl). It is really going to be hard to find something else that can work better than this. Battery cell architecture enhancements are they best way to go with this route until some kind of reaction proves better, but that can only go so far. my point, it is hard, and a new approach to energy storage will have to be solved for it to really get better so i'd quit expecting something.
ok enough of the science lesson, I was also kind of disappointed in CES. Honestly I might of gone back to andriod if there was a LTE, dual core, sim card based, high res, 8 mp with FF VGA camera, 4.3 in phone that had excellent 4G coverage and 2.3 on it but noting announced met that criteria.
I was also hoping MS would drop the flash surprise or extended limited multitasking abilty but that also failed to happen. Basically what I heard from MS was exactly what everyone already knew. Some apis that allow certian types of services (streaming music apis, chat, etc) to preform in the backgroud would of been great.
i'm walking away from CES like eh, but eventually an LTE tablet might be in my future.

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http://www.wpcentral.com/verizon-wins-trophy-verizon-s-1st-wp7-device-may-have-passed-fcc
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Thanks,
The HTC Pro 7 the one thought, I could not find any actual proof of it going to Sprint, the only way we know the Trophy is going to Verizon because they offered it to MS Employees.
The Trophy just passed the FCC yesterday. The HTC Pro 7 (the other CDMA "7" phone) passed the FCC 10/25/2010 and is still not here.
If someone is counting on getting it very soon, I would be shocked.
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simple? if it was so simple why wouldn't you or anyone else for that matter do it?
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Dude, calm down... I was kidding with that... We've only been with the same battery tech for 5-10+ years now ? I'm sure someone came up with something by now. I know it's not simple by any means, it just sucks that no one has solved it. Not even any proto-types or rumors, that dead on this subject.
Pretty soon, something is going to have to happen, phones get faster, need more power, phones get bigger for bigger batteries...Sounds like we are going backwards to me...

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The HTC Pro 7 the one thought, I could not find any actual proof of it going to Sprint, the only way we know the Trophy is going to Verizon because they offered it to MS Employees.
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprints-htc-7-pro-cdma-windows-phone-7-pictured
Note: feel free to hit the thanks button
i'm in australia so i have the trophy already. it's decent. takes nice day photos, and good feel in the hands. would like to see the 7 Pro in australia though.

DavidinCT said:
Thanks,
The HTC Pro 7 the one thought, I could not find any actual proof of it going to Sprint, the only way we know the Trophy is going to Verizon because they offered it to MS Employees.
The Trophy just passed the FCC yesterday. The HTC Pro 7 (the other CDMA "7" phone) passed the FCC 10/25/2010 and is still not here.
If someone is counting on getting it very soon, I would be shocked.
Dude, calm down... I was kidding with that... We've only been with the same battery tech for 5-10+ years now ? I'm sure someone came up with something by now. I know it's not simple by any means, it just sucks that no one has solved it. Not even any proto-types or rumors, that dead on this subject.
Pretty soon, something is going to have to happen, phones get faster, need more power, phones get bigger for bigger batteries...Sounds like we are going backwards to me...
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from a simple stand point i can see your stance, but once you know the technology it makes since. Solar energy is actually the leading cause for the push in energy storage, but maybe cell phones will help push that.
What i honestly think is going to happen id the evolution of the power mat from Duracell. When the guy who invented it was still at MIT and proposing this tech he also stated in the future it would be possible to get rid of the mat and transmit power OTA. This would be a future with no batteries in cell phones thus making them the slimiest they could possibly be. However what happens when you are too far away from the tower emitting power.
This is all just FYI stuff, but if you are interested in the future of batteries this is the answer.

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Dude, calm down... I was kidding with that... We've only been with the same battery tech for 5-10+ years now ? I'm sure someone came up with something by now. I know it's not simple by any means, it just sucks that no one has solved it. Not even any proto-types or rumors, that dead on this subject.
Pretty soon, something is going to have to happen, phones get faster, need more power, phones get bigger for bigger batteries...Sounds like we are going backwards to me...
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Could be interesting... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=earth-talk-charging-ahead

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Could be interesting... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=earth-talk-charging-ahead
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Yea, very interesting, if it ever comes out, I read about that like almost a year ago, as it could hold the power, the possable problems coming out (to the world) could be really bad.
As for wireless power, cool but, at what cost? As I think about this more, someone has to pay for the power and no one is going to give power away for free. So a power system off of a tower someplace ? Never will happen, there are too many companies making money off the grid and they would never let it happen, even for small devices.
It's a nice idea over all, to have a longer range "power mat" type of system, one in your home, one in your car, one in your office so you can limit your breaks of constant power (kind of like plugging it in when your in those locations) but, then you go back to the battery tech. Try recharging your battery 5-10 times a day or more (going between locations) how long do you think your battery would last (after discharge and recharge 100's of times more a month) ????
Anyway, for Verizon cusomers... a Press statement or "event" coming on Tuesday... Said, releases, so maybe WP7 along with the iPhoney.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/verizon-holding-event-tuesday-in-nyc-but-for-what/

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front facing cameras
gee-wiz dual cores/quad cores
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Thank god I am not alone with this. Front facing cameras are basically dead. Some old Windows Mobile devices had them, but I don't think anyone ever used them.
I am waiting for Microsoft to make dual core fully optimized for dual core, it might happen 2012 though. I could wait on that.
And for data speed, I would rather wait for HSPA+ (the one with a peak of 42 mpbs) on a WP7 devices, only because I have no plans of switching carriers (all carriers work here, so doesn't really matter which one I use). LTE is pretty cool and it is available in my area.

Anyone else notice that this forum is #1337

I just noticed the Galaxy Nexus' General forum is labeled as 1337.
As in forumdisplay.php?f=1337
It's fate. I'm pumped. You're pumped. We're all pumped for Ice Cream.
But that's not my point...
I don't know about the majority of you guys, but I'm coming from a long period of mobile confusion. As you can see in my signature here, I started smartphones with the iPhone 2G and stuck to it out of a bit of "distortion field" or "fanboyism" for quite some time.
This past couple of years though, either the field has weakened, or I've built up a tolerance for it. I switched from iOS to Android and back again over and over in an attempt to ground myself somewhere, but in the end I always found myself back to old reliable, iOS.
The reason it was old reliable for me was the WYSIWYG-ness of it. Not much fluff; The "it just works" crap in action. I'd use Android and just fall in love with it all over again, but before I knew it I was frustrated with Force Closings and skins like Sense and MotoBlur. It would drive me away as quickly as it drew me in. Change is change.
Now though, we have a beautiful light at the end of a very obnoxious tunnel for me. I'm absolutely thrilled, but... as they say on the Jersey Shore... lesbihonest.
I feel like I'll go back to iOS. Not at least for a year or so, and not out of Android being sub-par! Don't get me wrong. I just think of it this way. If you invest in both ecosystems the way I have, you can jump back and forth very easily.
The way the iPhones work has seemingly been set in stone: One generational upgrade every 2 years with a minor speed-bump in between.
Android also has a clear manner of evolution: All participating manufacturers put out a new device every time the technology takes a step. It's like a never-ending series of -like speed-bumps when compared to iPhone, except we get the benefit of different and ever-evolving chasis.
If we look at Nexus devices only, which I feel are made to lead the charge and tell the other manufacturers, "Here, this is your new bar. Meet it!" then I like to think of Nexus devices as such. They're the bar that gets set every once in a while to keep everyone on track and keep everyone innovating.
One could conclude, given the way of things, that if you are like me and go through phases of needing stability and stability, no muss or fuss and phases of needing to tinker and customize, great fun mussing and fussing; I think this is perfect.
Apple releases their numerical release, new generation phone and it's the next big thing. Then it gets long in the tooth and they release a speedbump. Not good enough for bleeding edge though, so what's the hotness on Android. And so on.
Anyone think this might be their way of dealing with but-I-need-new-hotness syndrome?

LOL
Galaxy Nexus is the 1337

lol be leet and get a galaxy nexus

The iPhone has seen success from day one and has continued success through all of it's phone and OS updates. It's been chugging along since 2007, like you said, with regular hardware and software update intervals. The style of the phone and the OS are more or less the same since day one. 3.5 inch screen, round home button with a square icon, silver edges, buttons, speakers and plugs in the same place. The OS is a app tray with the OSx style dock.
New features are added and the user interface is streamlined. People know what to expect, and this is what keeps most of them coming back. They don't have to learn something new every year.
Android started on the opposite end of the spectrum. While the Android OS is relatively uniform, hardware and custom overlays/roms have created a hodgepodge of a product that has always been behind iOS in terms of usability and uniformity and always behind in terms of hardware and apps.
But there are a couple things that people tend to overlook when they compare the two OS. One is that iOS had a good headstart on Android. The first Android device was released over a year after the iPhone, and while the HTC Dream sold semi-well at the start, Android lagged far behind iOS, and even Windows Mobile. Despite a rocky start, Android converged with iOS and Blackberry sometime at the end of 2010. During 2011, we've seen soaring growth, to where there's something like 500k+ 'activations' daily. The news reports are saying that Google is getting ready to announce 1 million daily in the next few months.
In November, Android is going to hit an apex, a point where it really begins to shine. And where I believe it will begin to outpace iOS at an alarming rate. We'll see a few things happen next month that will change Androids standing, at least in my mind, in the smartphone world.
1. Android will finally catch up to the iPhone hardware.
The iPhone has always been a step ahead, which is something that I don't understand. An example: iPhone 4 was released in June of 2010 with a 'Retina' display. 326 ppi. Android still has never had a phone over 220 or so ppi. The Galaxy S2 was really the first phone to outpace the iPhone 4, a year and a half later, and it still doesn't have a high ppi/resolution screen. The screen is a full inch larger, which is very nice, but Apple still holds the title as the highest clarity screen. And the A4 processor has given most of the Android phones a run for their money. Again, the Galaxy S2 easily outpaced it with the dual-core cpu, but a month later, the iPhone 4S was released with the A5 with the killer PowerVR SGX543MP2 GPU. It pretty much smokes the Galaxy S2 in terms of video processing power.
Next month will be the first time Android has a screen that compares, surpasses even, the iPhone. Galaxy Nexus will have the same ppi as the iPhone, and it will be a full inch larger. The SuperAmoled also smashes the iPhone contrast by a factor of over 100 to 1 (100,000:1 vs 800:1). The RAZR will be quick to follow with the same 720p display. We all are a little disappointed that the Galaxy Nexus will still lag behind the iPhone 4S in terms of GPU, but the PowerVR SGX540 is nothing to scoff at, especially at the 300mhz clock speed.
The point is: Android will dominate the the hardware side of things from here on out. I don't see Apple changing their form factor by much. They may increase screen size to around 4", but Android will retain the largest screen. And Apple has nowhere to go in terms of ppi/resolution. They've already claimed to have hit the limits of the human eye. And they'll need to play cath-up in terms of contrast. The iPhone 5 and it's quad core A5 may take the title CPU for a few months next summer, but Android will quickly regain the lead. The quad core Tergra 'Kal El' will be out relatively soon, and we'll always see Android phones with CPU/GPU from the different companies, which gives it a good advantage.
2. Android 4.0 is huge.
Last tuesday, I was talking to my friend (an Apple enthusiast) about Ice Cream Sandwich. I knew about the new App switcher, and as a prior WebOS owner, it's something that I've really, really missed in Android, and iOS. I didn't count on it having the 'flick-to-close' app and notification features, though. I didn't really expect to see much change at all to the rest of the OS. As it turns out, I was very wrong. I'm waaaaay more excited for Android 4.0 now after watching the live stream on Wednesday. Google really exceeded my expectations.
Adapt, Adopt and Improve. Google has been doing this from the start, and they've done it in 4.0 in a huge way. They've listened to what people say about their product and have really done something about it. Ease of use is not something that Android has been known for, but they specifically addressed that in their presentation. This stigma is something that will be difficult to change for Android, but they have taken a huge step in the right direction. People will notice and will appreciate these changes. Segmentation has always been a big problem as well, but it looks like Google is taking efforts to quell that problem as well. I hope they can, but it really depends on the network providers. And it won't effect me, because I'll root and update to the latest build anyway.
On the other spectrum, iOS has kept steady. It's been user friendly, it's been stable, and it's been the same. iPhone owners enjoy and expect it. But it's starting to become a problem. Example: it took 2 years for Apple to adapt the notifications tray. Example 2: without rooting your phone, you are locked into using the default keypad (and a lot of other default options) that is just terrible, compared to some of the text prediction keypads out there. This isn't a big problem for people that jailbreak, but there are millions of iPhone users out there that don't want to 'void their warranty'. I don't want to dog on iOS too much, as I'm pretty biased against it, but iOS 6 is going to need some pretty big improvements to match Ice Cream Sandwich. iOS isn't the tog dog anymore. The playing field has been leveled. This is a good thing because I still feel that the mobile OS platform has a lot of growing to do, especially when it comes to the tablet form factor. Desktop OS's have really been stagnant for a while now, and it's really refreshing to see the mobile OS's advance so rapidly.
Anyway, this is getting a bit long, so I should wrap it up.
Android is growing in a major way. If you look at graphs of current mobile data usage, you'll see that Android is sky rocketing there, just like their market share. iOS is starting to loose it's advantage there as well. The Android App pool is swelling up just a fast. We'll see Android pass Apple up in every category in 2012, or at least match it. The only title Apple will hang onto is the iPad and the tablet market, but there is a lot of room in that market and it's growing rapidly. So are Android tablets.
I'll probably get an iPhone 5, and I don't doubt that it will be a great phone, but I've got at least 6 months to get to enjoy my Ice Cream Sandwich The Android experience maybe a little different for me than most, because I plan on staying on top of the latest hardware and software, trading up when a good replacement comes along, but I think that others will find ICS just as pleasing, even if they stick to the same phone for a year or so.

^^^ Really well said.
I agree about the strides Google is making to change the minds of Android users who have been burned by odd experiences in the past. They definitely are making a great effort with ICS.
In the end, as I said, I think there may be others like us who have fallen into this pattern now. We stay on top of what's great and know how to live within either ecosystem. We prefer one or the other, but have the need for greatness and will go after it every 6 months.
What a wild web we weave.

The Galaxy Nexus is cool

I don't have anything to say except that this is a great thread, and it's so refreshing to read something that isn't full of fanboy rantings.

Open the box of your new iPhone 4S, turn it on and you have a great looking & working mobile OS.
Open the box of your new Android phone, turn it on, learn how to Root & flash, select a powerful, battery saving KERNEL, select a great, customized ROM, select a beautiful THEME, flash them all and you have an AMAZING looking & working mobile OS.
Yes, no-one will lie to you, there is more effort needed for Android; but for that little amount of effort, the results are astounding.
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Wrong.
I got my Nexus S, turned it on, and use it without rooting nor ROM changing.
It works perfect till now.
What you have described is "option" ... Something that does not exist on iOS.
Thats different
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Open the box of your new iPhone 4S, turn it on and you have a great looking & working mobile OS.
Open the box of your new Android phone, turn it on, learn how to Root & flash, select a powerful, battery saving KERNEL, select a great, customized ROM, select a beautiful THEME, flash them all and you have an AMAZING looking & working mobile OS.
Yes, no-one will lie to you, there is more effort needed for Android; but for that little amount of effort, the results are astounding.
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Me too with stock android on the Nexus S.
I unlocked the bootloader. Didn't even bother to root it.
Stock is already good enough for me.

kanariya said:
Me too with stock android on the Nexus S.
I unlocked the bootloader. Didn't even bother to root it.
Stock is already good enough for me.
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Lmao. As a nexus device, unlocking the bootloader is kinda like set it and forget it. One and done. Fastboot oem unlock say whaaa?
I voided my warranty and your mum.

It must be a sign...

Did you notice somebody already started a thread about this? It must be a sign. That you are a...
I voided my warranty and your mum.

Thoughtful thread.
I started my smartphone journey with winmo back in the 5.0 days, talk about customizing to make it work. Random app stores everywhere. Just about the only thing that was great from stock was the T-9 dialer. It was so easy and quick. Stupid stylus always getting lost. Steve had that right.
Next for me was a 3g iPhone. Unboxed and, to coin a phrase "it just worked ". But that was it. An app tray. After being used to unlocking the phone and seeing the weather, texts, events, everything, just at a glance, it was a huge adjustment. And a shock. No t9 dialer? No copy paste? I used it for about 3 months, then finally got frustrated with typing something, receiving a call, and all I had done was completely gone. I just about threw the phone away.
Switched back to winmo, then apple released a fix for the copy paste, and lost data. Switched back.
Still being mostly unhappy with the user experience, my friends talked me into the n1. Didn't take long for me to fall into a state of realization that this was the perfect mix of the frustration of winmo configuration
And the blandness of apple. And all without root!
So yeah, I've been running around with a n1 for damn near 2 years, unrooted, and. Damn proud of it.
Both ios and Android have their place, but I think Android is more appealing, and so do about 50% plus of smartphone users.
Enjoy your experience, whichever it is, but don't expect me to change my mind any time soon, I won't expect you to change yours
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Open the box of your new iPhone 4S, turn it on and you have a great looking & working mobile OS.
Open the box of your new Android phone, turn it on, learn how to Root & flash, select a powerful, battery saving KERNEL, select a great, customized ROM, select a beautiful THEME, flash them all and you have an AMAZING looking & working mobile OS.
Yes, no-one will lie to you, there is more effort needed for Android; but for that little amount of effort, the results are astounding.
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This is, I think, the best part about owning and using an Android powered device. It's exciting, you learn, you become a part of a community and you seek out those people when you mess up (which everyone inevitably does). I can almost guarantee that my Nexus S is different than yours in some way, shape or form. That's whats great about Android, I make the phone conform to me, not the other way around.
Having said that, I get the mass appeal of iOS and I feel with the overhaul of notifications it is finally to a position that I am able to adopt. Additionally, I think iPhones are the best feeling devices (hardware wise) and I was ready to vote with my wallet had the iPhone 5 been announced with what I feel are must have specs (NFC, 4G, legitimate screen size, etc).
Nexus Prime (way better sounding than Galaxy Nexus) will do for now until I get a look at the iPhone 5 and iOS 6 next year

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I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Hahahaha

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Pardon me, kind sir. I searched through the thread titles... guess I neglected to look through every single post.
Have a nice day

Anyone realize that the Galaxy Nexus General forum is #1337?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1337

Youre at least the 3rd person to make a thread about that. And thats not 1337. Try again.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.

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Say what? What is it then?

Contemplating switching from iPhone to Lumia 900...

I've been on iOS for years. Ever since my first Jailbreak, unlock, and IPA modding experiences I have loved iDevices. I had Windows mobile in the past and couldn't stand it. After reading about people praising the new Windows phone I wonder what people who have experienced both OS's think. I'm deployed right now but read some articles in my free time about the Lumia 900 and thought that maybe it would be a good time to give Windows another shot when I get home.
So if you have a lot of experience with both OS's which do you prefer? I'm not a fan boy of iOS by any means, it's just what I'm used to after so long.
I realize this post is based a bit more on the OS but that's really what will make or break my decision on purchasing the Lumia 900.

well i use an ipad running ios5 and samsung focus. I personally prefer the interface and like the "metro" style for apps over ios. ios is simple but i think it is "stupid" easy interface while windows phone is simple but not "stupid easy". The os seems more dynamic as is the xbox interface is nice. One thing i like is i can choose themes, which are a colors you can choose and most apps and everyone will become that color. I think that is a neat feature. So i say get the nokia lumia 900 as it is one of the only phones that matches the iphones build quality, design and ease of use(all windows phones). With over 65k apps and counting i dont think there is much of an app problem.

I agree, iOS is about as user friendly as an operating system can get. It never fails to amaze me when someone asks me to help them use a feature on their iPhone or look at my phone and ask how I did whatever it is that caught their attention.
Windows mobile, in the past, just did not flow well and from the demos I've seen on recent phones they've taken care of that.
How well do the Lumias hold up with multiple apps running in the background?

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I agree, iOS is about as user friendly as an operating system can get. It never fails to amaze me when someone asks me to help them use a feature on their iPhone or look at my phone and ask how I did whatever it is that caught their attention.
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Bull****. Thats what you could sayfor iOS before WP7 came out. And now we can say it for WP7, until something (new)better comes out.
Saying that OS is made the best way possible is stupid and short sighted.
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Windows mobile, in the past, just did not flow well and from the demos I've seen on recent phones they've taken care of that.
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Bull****. Talking like WM and WP is the same thing, just fixed, is like saying that OSX is just fixed Ubuntu.
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How well do the Lumias hold up with multiple apps running in the background?
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Like any other modern phone OS; they don't.
Windows Phone supports background tasks like push mail, music, social networking etc. Applications are stopped when pushed to the background but they resume in a second or more - depends on the app.

Windows phone 7 disappoints me in these ways.
1. I feel confined. All my apps are not available.
2. multitasking fail(s). Apps close when put in the background. e.g. If you are navigating using Nokia's Drive app, and then check your email - the drive app closes and you lose your navigation.
3. home screen customization. not AS BAD as iOS, but you still are limited in what you can see / do from the homescreen. Live tiles are great, but the whole thing pales in comparison to what you can do with android.
Overall, I love the smoothness, intuitiveness, the look and feel, and especially the hardware of the lumia 800 (900 is likely to be the same), but I can't help but have a bad taste in my mouth after using it for a day.
if you are content with using iOS, you may find WP7 to be a very nice change. Coming from Android, I get tired of not being able to control and customize everything my phone does. Just my 2 cents! =)

It handles the backgrounds task just fine, it is just some apps dont suport multitasking ans you have to wait for them to reload but that is it. Also a large majority of apps are mango apps.

lovenokia said:
It handles the backgrounds task just fine, it is just some apps dont suport multitasking ans you have to wait for them to reload but that is it. Also a large majority of apps are mango apps.
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Yeah I think a lot of people don't understand that it is the app which needs to behave correctly in the new fake-multitasking environment. It's not M$'s fault that some apps still haven't implemented it properly.

Unicode Support
Does this version of Windows mobile with Nokia Lumia (I presume it is Windows Mango) support Unicode fonts... I am already fed up with seeing boxes for my Tamil language..

i am not sure

foxfire235 said:
Windows phone 7 disappoints me in these ways.
1. I feel confined. All my apps are not available.
2. multitasking fail(s). Apps close when put in the background. e.g. If you are navigating using Nokia's Drive app, and then check your email - the drive app closes and you lose your navigation.
3. home screen customization. not AS BAD as iOS, but you still are limited in what you can see / do from the homescreen. Live tiles are great, but the whole thing pales in comparison to what you can do with android.
Overall, I love the smoothness, intuitiveness, the look and feel, and especially the hardware of the lumia 800 (900 is likely to be the same), but I can't help but have a bad taste in my mouth after using it for a day.
if you are content with using iOS, you may find WP7 to be a very nice change. Coming from Android, I get tired of not being able to control and customize everything my phone does. Just my 2 cents! =)
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I've just spent the better part of 2 years with Android. Though I've also owned the venue pro and hd7, my primary phone was android. I've recently come back to windows phone. I have the lumia 710, waiting for the 900 release. Though I to get the confined feeling, what helps me get by is the windows phone just works. My last 3 androids were plagued by data connection and wifi issues. Rooting and custom rooms introduced their own issues. No matter what anyone said s, there are stability issues when rooting and Modding. Period! My current Droid is the bionic. In all its dual core glory, side by side with the 710, my little low end, cheap ass T-Mobile phone works like a beast beside the bionic. Ive given up my hacking and slashing days, for now. I think the 900 will be just fine.

alodar1 said:
Though I to get the confined feeling, what helps me get by is the windows phone just works. My last 3 androids were plagued by data connection and wifi issues.
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I was just thinking about this this morning, about how I am looking forward to trying a windows phone, and guessing that it probably "just works".
Though I will say, I am trying an android custom ROM right now called "Ligux" - it was developed by Chinese... it has the most reliable wireless connections - Wifi/mobile/even bluetooth - than any other ROM I've tried. It's done right.

jettrue said:
I was just thinking about this this morning, about how I am looking forward to trying a windows phone, and guessing that it probably "just works".
Though I will say, I am trying an android custom ROM right now called "Ligux" - it was developed by Chinese... it has the most reliable wireless connections - Wifi/mobile/even bluetooth - than any other ROM I've tried. It's done right.
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I doubt anyone can say, "it just works", and be able to say its a true statement. All electronics have issues in some way or form. From iPhone antenna gate, to data connections dropping, these forums are filled with issues people come across, in their particular world.
Custom roms are something else. Why custom roms? I suspect someone wanted to see just what open source could do, or rather, what one could do with open source. As problems cropped up, these 'cooks' started to see if they could fix something. And so on. I think now we're at a stage where its, look what I did. Custom rooms don't always mean better. In fact they usually aren't. But some, demonstrate what can be done...and its great to watch and play with. I walked into at&t this morning to pay a bill. It was galaxy note day. Its 5.1" of where will I put it. Its great to look at, but..I can't use it. There is no pocket stuffing this thing. He proceeded to tell me about android. I pulled out my bionic and talked with him. Then I pulled out my 710 and showed him a good alternative.
I'm giving up my bionic for the 900, if, it feels great in my hand. I know there are cool things the bionic can do. There are cool things the 900 can do too. I think the best thing to realize is, find those things you don't like as quickly as possible, and decide if you can live with them. If you can't, send them back. If you can, then, cool. Don't buy any phone based on a future patch, ability to jailbreak or root, or any app that might come out 'soon'. Buy the phone based on what you see and feel in your hand, right now. Take it home to try it out...that's $35 for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, its 2 yrs or $350 to fix the mistake...
The 710 has shown me that nokia, even a low end nokia, with mango, can hang with some of the big boys. My friends at Microsoft tell me, what's on the horizon is even better. I can't wait.

When you go from iphone to Lumia you will lose your proprietary data connection. To some this is not an issue but to others it actually limits the ability of your phone.
You won't be walking in to a retail store and buying "the next coolest dock/speaker" as your phone has no such connector, is limited in design and highly limited in buyers.
I am on WP but everytime I see a new JBL speaker or some cool dock that works on the iphone I get bummed.
Today in the Nokia MWC they showed off their phone with ala a top data connection. So a nice desktop dock means I have to turn the phone upside down or connect some damn wire instead of just clicking in.
TEH LAME

Thresher said:
When you go from iphone to Lumia you will lose your proprietary data connection. To some this is not an issue but to others it actually limits the ability of your phone.
You won't be walking in to a retail store and buying "the next coolest dock/speaker" as your phone has no such connector, is limited in design and highly limited in buyers.
I am on WP but everytime I see a new JBL speaker or some cool dock that works on the iphone I get bummed.
Today in the Nokia MWC they showed off their phone with ala a top data connection. So a nice desktop dock means I have to turn the phone upside down or connect some damn wire instead of just clicking in.
TEH LAME
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Yeah, true. But how many docks or speakers do you connect to during any day? For me, I connect to power and but during commute to the office. Then nothing until the ride home. Just don't have the opportunity to plug in much during a day.
But good thing to think about...

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Yeah, true. But how many docks or speakers do you connect to during any day? For me, I connect to power and but during commute to the office. Then nothing until the ride home. Just don't have the opportunity to plug in much during a day.
But good thing to think about...
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I get in and out of my car a lot in a day and the phone goes with me. Two plug ins every time and it isn't just a 'click n go'. Cry for me!

I love WP7, it's simply beautiful and works as you expect. Tried iOS, Android 4.0 and did not like them, used because I had to.
My only complain is the lack of separatre volume control for the music/system, which I hope is coming with Tango update.

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I love WP7, it's simply beautiful and works as you expect. Tried iOS, Android 4.0 and did not like them, used because I had to.
My only complain is the lack of separatre volume control for the music/system, which I hope is coming with Tango update.
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Don't count on that for Tango. Tango appears to be a side way update for a different hardware set. Should not consider it as any type of upgrade or update for Mango. Though there will be bug fixes introduced first in Tango, before they get to Mango, ie, the MMS bug fix has already been announced as a Tango first release, before it hits others, I would not be looking at Tango to introduce new features on existing and new NON Tango hardware. For medium to Hi End hardware, the next great leap, I think, will be Apollo and beyond.

Will you buy a WP 8?

Just want to know how the situation is. Anyone still trust in Microsoft after abandoning Windows Mobile and now this with WP?

WP7.8 is pretty reasonable update, they should have just called it "WP8 for old phones" and everything would be fine... And I have a first-gen Samsung Omnia 7 and I'm going to buy a WP8 phone around christmas As well as Microsoft Surface, those seem to be pretty awesome tablets.

Yes, I'll probably upgrade to a WP8 device when my device is two years old, assuming there's a device with a good hardware keyboard. WP8 looks good and I prefer the WP experience.
Will probably be more cautious about recommending WP to others, however, especially in the period before new OS releases.

Well at the moment I'm really pissed how I spent my saved 350€ for a device (Lumia 800) that will be "outdated" OS vise after around a year. But I guess we will have to wait what the update brings. I don't need NFC as longs as Bluetooth can be used as a substitute (or maybe even WiFi). Also, I think the new Startscreen is somehow cluttered, but I guess I have to experience the look and feel. I surely hope that some software updates like the rumored notification system will come to current devices as well. Another thing is that my contract is due in 2013 so I have to stick around with this phone anyway. And as a poor student I cannot afford a new high-end phone every year. When the contract expires I will decide based on the existing choices and reevaluate the OS. I really like Windows Phone 7 but the whole update dilemma did not increase my thrust in neither Nokia nor Microsoft. I hope they keep their word that they are committed to bring future updates to existing devices. If not, I will move to another OS. It all depends how they handle Windows Phone 7 this and next year.

I switched to android last month from 1st gen wp because i knew they wouldn't update my wp.
I told myself i'll switch to wp8 if they do something android can't do. It doesn't look like that's the case.

I got my current WP7 device for nothing so I will get a WP8 phone when released if my carrier gives me a fair selection of devices.
I hope to have 7.8 soon so I can see if I like the feel of WP8. Infact I am going to install a dual boot with Windows 8 (the release) to see if I give it a chance...

Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...

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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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Let's just hope that 7.8 is not a huge update and it's something we can install right from here (XDA).
I wouldnt want to lose my custom rom right now.
As I have more thoughts here...
I guess the way MS planned it, if you were one of the first people to get WP7, you would be out of your 2 year by fall time (around release time). Sprint and Verizon (CDMA/LTE) customers would be ending their 2 year Spring/early Summer 2013 (I got mine with out a contract so I am good) due to late releases.
I think I am disapointed in the 18 month support only. I really think it should be 24 months, as most US carriers who have contracts are 2 years. Note: their exact quote was "18 months from the time the phone is released". Just because you get a new phone here in the US, that model could be out for over 3-4 months overseas. That could suck.
As for WP 7.8 all you will get is the new start menu that you can load up with more tiles. As a first gen user, I was kind of looking forward to upgrading my Trophy but, I guess I will be waiting till fall.
If you just picked up a new 2nd gen like a Lumia 900 or Titan 2, they are nice phones but, I would feel a little screwed.
After watching the entire conf today and the way they are talking C++ and direct hardware access, all I can say is this is the GAMING phone I have been waiting for. Everything WP7 should of been.
I enjoyed my WP7 device but, I can't wait for a WP8 device

vetvito said:
Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p ClearBlack display & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff

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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p screen & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen. Seriously, anybody liked the mini-tile? I dont think metro = square. At least, it was not. Just because that thing is a square form it's Metro UI. I wouldnt use, but its personal and I respect.
But hey, we are not receiving Skype, Multitasking, Turn-by-Turn, NT Kernel, and also, lets see if next year new apps will continue to be made thinking about WP 7 users. Or maybe 2014. Just like Android, 2.0 is already being forgotten.
If MS release at least Skype and Multitask, I will shut and smile.

Im pretty annoyed as well... I am also a student and cannot afford a new device every year. What kinda seems odd to me is that the current devices will not be upgradeable to the new nt core whilst microsoft and nokia and aims to sell low end devices (lower than current gen devices?) to compete with low end androids which presumably will be running on the nt core. Ultimately, as much as i love the looks of it, I will probably not be buying a windows 8 slate (unless they reach the sub £100 mark) so the integration features with windows phone 8 are not so important to me. The features that matter most to me would be updated bluetooth profiles (for bluetooth HID drivers), flash player (although there's no indication that WP8 does this either) and would like continued app support, better cloud/skydrive integration as well as a more complete office funtionality
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In a positive note, if microsoft really does put in the effort to compete with the low end android devices, we may see wp8 devices for as low as £60....

mikeeam said:
Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen.
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First of all no matter when MSFT does a reboot someone is going to have only had their phone for 6 months. That's true of all OSes. Secondly you don't even know what the new features of Windows Phone 7.8 are going to be. So claiming it's just a start screen is just BS.

I'll probably wait 2-3 months into the next year to buy one. I'll see if app developers choose to accept WP8 as a serious platform and start making apps for Windows Phone too. If all goes well, and there's a phone release around that time that actually looks good, I'll buy it. Also somebody might port WP8 over to some of the old devices. If that happens, it will delay me buying a WP8 by a month or two.

^ developers will take it seriously, native coding means a lot!
The new kernel means a lot! The old one was dead from the beginning.
MS just put a tomb stone on RIM, and are now standing on it pointing at Google and Apple saying "You're Next".
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I have a HTC HD7S first gen that I bought May last year. WP7.8 will be nice to get but would be disappointed to loose my custom rom hope MS offers dev release soon. Can't wait to get a tablet.
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I bought a samsung focus, but I won't upgrade to WP8. From what they showed today it's just catching up to what is out there on the other platforms, I'll keep the old WP7 phone around and get something else and buy the Surface laptop instead.
Maybe WP9, if the come out with some killer features in the future.

So glad that I got rid of my Samsung Focus and now the proud owner of the HTC One X. I started doubting the whole WP debacle when support for my Dell Venue Pro was dropped and I started smelling a scam. However, I still held on to my Samsung Focus since I hope that they will change. Luckily I changed my mind 2 weeks ago and sold my Focus for a good price. After this, there will be a lot of frustrated users trying to dump their WP on ebay, it would be hard to sell it at a good price now.
I used to be the HD2 owner that watched every single MS news hoping that they will change their mind and provide us with the upgrade. Ah, how I wished that I learned my lesson and never give M$ another chance. Technically speaking, I was shafted not only once but twice.
I was thinking about buying a Lumia 800 to try it out but no more, MS will never AGAIN get my money. I hope they burn in hell and fail miserably for what they did to the users.
And if you are still blindly supporting M$ after this, stop for a moment and think about how you have been treated. M$ is even worse than Google. Don't ever trust them. **** you M$.

Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Sorry dude, looks like no one here is blind, except you. I will be seeing you around at the WP9 announcement then, when your shiny 2-month old phone is cut off support that is.