Hi, I have seen some posts or articles about this but I am still uncomfortable with how my sounds. I have the pro and non pro here and the non pro is not nearly as loud and the pro seems very loud when shaken. Is this normal and is it coming from the zoom camera mostly?
initial reports indicate that its from the image stabilization module
It's the OIS. Shake any OIS phone and you will hear the rattle (excluding the Sensor-Shift style OIS modules)
Just wanted to emphasize on this, I even talked to Google about this and they confirmed it.
You can also try this out with an older phone (also with an older Pixel, like 4 XL) - EVERY OIS does this, even though periscope tele cams have a very "strong" sound to it. But if you shake another phone with a smaller sensor and with an OIS, you will also hear a (probably only very slight) rattle.
It's not the best of technology and it can actually create problems. There are enough reports of motorbike owners who have a broken OIS from all the vibration (they use the phone as navigation on an handlebar attachment). Even though it SHOULD not be a problem for the "everyday" user and you never know how these people with their reports "drive" - if they - for example - thunder over a pothole with 200 km/h - I'm surprised that their phones OIS is the only thing that's broken.
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Hi all,
The light at the back that works like, when you flip the phone upside down while having a caller, the phone mutes, and the light flashes so you are aware you still have someone on the phone. (which i think is a useless issue of having a light for, for just that reason only)
I like my flashlight on the first Touch Pro. Specially with some good software where it can also work as a Torch!
Does anyone know if the light on the back of the TPII can work as a camera-flashlight or as a torch?
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TPII blows, it doesn't have much better hardware then TP. Just a bit better software upgrade. To bad.
Look at samsung, LG etc. all already with 8MP camera's! Here comes HTC's latest: with a 3.2MP, and NO flash!
I hope the leaked out details for HTC 2009 line-up will come true.
One (SuperStar) supposedly will have nVidia chipset , I hope so, finally to watch DivX/XviD videos!!!
And one (Thoth) will have a chipset of a 1000Mhz processor!
Hopefully HTC will combine the 2 forces together!
A phone with lots of internal mem, fast processor, fast HD video chipset (incl. tv-out), good quality speakers and mics, a 8MP camera! WITH FLASHLIGHT for f*ck sake! at least 1800Mah battery! Qwerty Keyboard Slider. Side-Keys for easy mobile gaming. And maybe even the latest MicroVision PicoP micro-projector!
Come-on HTC, you want to make profit again? Make the best available phone out today!
Greetings
P.
i assume that if someone makes and app (similar to the iphones) that makes the screen completely white and maxes out the backlight then yes! but it wont work as well as an LED flash like with the TP
There is no LED for the camera that could be used as a flashlight.
An indicator LED is nowhere near powerful enough to act as a flashlight usually, so I don't think you'll be in luck.
Regarding your comments saying how the TP2 'blows', I'd say it's a big step forward from the TP2 - a proper replacement for the Kaiser (big WVGA tilting screen!). Not perfect, but it is probably the best hardware Qwerty phone on the market (or will be!).
I always hear ppl complaining about the camera...
Cameras in Phones don't have as much room, as such they're limited in size, making the Mpixels harder to achieve, making the threshold for the oh so fun whitenoise lower.
I'd be happier with a 3.2 that gives me perfect pics, as opposed to a 8.0 that gives me noise.
Also if I KNOW I'm going to take pictures... I have a camera for that. The camera on the phone is just for "geez lemme get a pic to remember that" for anything more a phonecam just won't cut it without all the "gimmicks" a real camera has (like a real focus)
A flash? on a Phone targetted at businessmen... well yeah why?
A flashlight? Seriously?
The white led's that lay under the Call and End buttons are well enough to come with a warning label on their own.
People are seriously concerned whether a hi-tech piece of mobile communication and data access device can double as a f'n flashlight? wow.
There is an app called flashlite in dev and hack section
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paultje_007 said:
Hi all,
The light at the back that works like, when you flip the phone upside down while having a caller, the phone mutes, and the light flashes so you are aware you still have someone on the phone. (which i think is a useless issue of having a light for, for just that reason only)
I like my flashlight on the first Touch Pro. Specially with some good software where it can also work as a Torch!
Does anyone know if the light on the back of the TPII can work as a camera-flashlight or as a torch?
P.
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HTC's site lists the following for camera in their specs for the TP:
CameraMain camera: 3.2 megapixel color camera with auto focus and flash light
Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera
Here is the listing for the TP2:
CameraMain camera: 3.2 megapixel color camera with auto focus
Second camera: VGA CMOS color camera
I think that pretty much sums it up for you. I like the flashlight on my TP, but this is definitely not a deal breaker for me. I think the screen size is a significant upgrade over the TP, otherwise the internal hardware is more or less the same. I could care less about 8MP. My 3.2MP Olympus camera is still the best one I have owned. Why do you need more than that especially in a phone?
I've seen threads saying you don't buy a phone for its camera, but the noise from the Touch Pro 2's camera is unbelievable! Attached are 3 pictures, one from the Touch Pro 2, one from the Touch HD, and one from the Touch Diamond 2.
All were shot at default settings, at 3m pixels, in well lit indoor light, then selectively cropped and magnified by 200% to highlight the noise levels. The Pro 2 even shows an enormous amount of noise outside in bright light!?
try to set the ISO as low as possible.. 100 for example
Does anyone know if the problem with the camera is hardware or just a poorly made camera driver? as I have had a 3.2 mp phone camera before and it seemed to take better pics.... Strange dont you think?
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well, without going too much into the physics of camera sensors, some rule of thumbs:
- the smaller the CCD sensor (for same resolution), the smaller the pixels, the greater the noise!
- you cannot build a good camera without good optics / lenses. usually, mobile phone cams have very poor lens quality - don't expect anything
- you can correct noisy pictures to some extent by post-processing (can be done by the cam HW itself or by SW) but you'll loose details.
consequences:
- if you want to shoot nice photos, buy a digital camera
- if you still want to shoot photos with your mobile, make sure light conditions are bright!
shadixs said:
try to set the ISO as low as possible.. 100 for example
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I've tried that, and whilst outdoor pictures in good light are ok, indoor ones at 100 ISO come out blurry because a higher ISO speed is needed.
terta said:
well, without going too much into the physics of camera sensors, some rule of thumbs:
- the smaller the CCD sensor (for same resolution), the smaller the pixels, the greater the noise!
- you cannot build a good camera without good optics / lenses. usually, mobile phone cams have very poor lens quality - don't expect anything
- you can correct noisy pictures to some extent by post-processing (can be done by the cam HW itself or by SW) but you'll loose details.
consequences:
- if you want to shoot nice photos, buy a digital camera
- if you still want to shoot photos with your mobile, make sure light conditions are bright!
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I understand all of this, but I'm merely showing the difference between 3 "similar" HTC devices, where two are "acceptable" and one seems to exhibit an enormous amount of noise?
as you also wrote, "similar" in quotemarks...
- we don't know which camera HW is mounted in the devices (there can be cams from different OEM vendors even in the very same type of device depending on production series)
- we don't know what post-processing software (with which settings) is used...
I'm not surprised at all by the miserable quality
/edit: sorrily, I cannot see the so-called EXIF info in the pics (the forum engine cuts this out), from which we could see the parameters with which the images were taken (eg. which ISO sensitivity was applied, etc.)
If you hear noise when shaking the Pixel 6 Pro, it's normal. The noise is coming from the Telephoto Periscope zoom lens OIS. This happens on almost all the smartphone that uses this kind of camera lens for Telephoto.
The below video will play from the time stamp that talks about this one.
FYI... I have couple of Sony lenses for my A7 III. On those lenses I can feel something is moving when I shake the lens. Turns out this normal. This doesn't happen when the camera is turned on and I shake the lens.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/questions/sony-fe-20mm-f-1-8-g-ultra-wide-angle-prime-lens-for-e-mount-cameras/6405060/question/0bfcffef-0ee4-3f69-917e-45d2dd49a2ff
It's apparently the telephoto lens and it is normal. I've just tried mine and the noise stops as soon as I open the camera and select 4x zoom level.
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If you hear noise when shaking the Pixel 6 Pro, it's normal. The noise is coming from the Telephoto Periscope zoom lens OIS. This happens on almost all the smartphone that uses this kind of camera lens for Telephoto.
The below video will play from the time stamp that talks about this one.
FYI... I have couple of Sony lenses for my A7 III. On those lenses I can feel something is moving when I shake the lens. Turns out this normal. This doesn't happen when the camera is turned on and I shake the lens.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/questions/sony-fe-20mm-f-1-8-g-ultra-wide-angle-prime-lens-for-e-mount-cameras/6405060/question/0bfcffef-0ee4-3f69-917e-45d2dd49a2ff
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Good to know that its "normal" - I already talked to the Google support, made them a video about the noise (mine is pretty loud, louder than in the video for sure) and they now want to replace my device. Mh.
Hi! When I'm switching between cameras modes I can hear and feel a little noise and vibration, Anyone knows if are they part of the UI or the cameras have some moving parts?
Thanks!
Optical image stabilization. I believe one or two of it's rear cams have this.
Yup, it is indeed the image of stabilizer that is shaking around
Wow I didn't expect this sound from the stabilizer, at least now I know is not a problem
Thanks!
Also auto focus moves the lens in and out, so its a combination of both systems de-energising and the lens bouncing back to it's free floating position.
It's the OIS, every OIS rattles, the bigger the sensor/lens, the louder the noise. Watch this video for more information. Pixel 6 Pros periscope lens has a relatively "loud" rattle noise, as has the S21 Ultra as another example.
You can also try it out with previous phones: Shake it harder than you normally would, and you will be able to hear the same noise, just a tad more quiet.
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What's funny is that when power is applied to the OIS, such as when you open the camera app the OIS doesn't rattle as it moves to stabilise your picture. On my S21U, the OIS always was always powered so it wouldn't rattle even when the cam was off(Samsung probably did this as people were returning the phone thinking it was faulty) but this caused a wakelock and battery drain and people were complaining. On one of the last updates I had before I sold the phone, they removed this so the OIS started to rattle again when the cam wasn't being used.
I've have the phone since October.
Mine made no noise from launch until today. I do not think it's to be making a clunky rattle. Not heard anything about this but found a few threads where Google just says it's normal because the camera has moving parts. I have had many cameras with moving parts that did not start to rattle after 5 or 6 months.
Just picking it up made the noise and just turning it over as well.
Anyone get a fix or replacement?
Mine sounds like it has a few marbles in it when I shake it. Ditto for the S22 ultra but not as noticeable. When the OIS isn't active, the lens can move. To keep it parked would require a constant current draw.
Tanquen said:
I've have the phone since October.
Mine made no noise from launch until today. I do not think it's to be making a clunky rattle. Not heard anything about this but found a few threads where Google just says it's normal because the camera has moving parts. I have had many cameras with moving parts that did not start to rattle after 5 or 6 months.
Just picking it up made the noise and just turning it over as well.
Anyone get a fix or replacement?
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They ALL make the ratting noise when you shake them because of the stabilizer in the camera. It's totally normal. Yours did it from the day you bought it but you probably haven't noticed until now.
It is the lens elements in the periscope assembly so it is a bit louder than normal but all OIS lenses rattle if you shake them hard enough.
Samsung even have a page dedicated to it. https://www.samsung.com/sg/support/...of-the-device-when-shaking-your-galaxy-phone/
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all OIS lenses rattle if you shake them hard enough.
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This.
Now, some OIS are prone to rattle more, usually on bigger sensors/especially with a periscope lenns.
You can also shake any of your older phones (Iphones, Pixels, Samsungs, whatever). They will ALL make a rattling noise (as long as they have an OIS), if you shake them and hold it close to your ears. Most "older" phones with smaller sensors/OIS are just much more quiet in that regard.
It's absolutely normal for your Pixel (6) to have a rattling sound when you shake the phone.
Mind also, that this is a potential weak point. If you rattle the phone too hard for too long, it's possible for the OIS to break. Now that will usually never happen in a normal usecase, but I've seen several reports of motorbike owners over the years and their OIS problems, since the constant bumping (they used their phones for navigation) with high speed (100 km/h +), thundering over potholes and the likes, permanently damaged the OIS. It is, after all, a moving part. And all moving parts can break.
Now, I do not know how "hard" your rattle is. Your text said that this "developed" over the months. That should NOT happen. So they question is: Did the rattle really increase, or did you just become aware of it?
If it "changed" or "increased" it is indeed possible that something changed/broke (you can test the OIS functioning by making a simple video and seeing if the stabilization kicks in).
You can try to find out if it's the "normal" OIS rattle sound by going into the camera and forcing the different lenses (zoom in or out), whilst slightly shaking the phone. If the zoom kicks in (periscope lens) the "heavy" rattle should effectively disappear. If that is not the case, it's rather likely that something broke at your end.
Thing is the rattle in mine goes away when i don't think about it and it only comes back when people remind me it rattles.
Got my pixel 6 pro on 29th march I just shook it by ear and can hear a rattle
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Thing is the rattle in mine goes away when i don't think about it and it only comes back when people remind me it rattles.
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If the camera app is open the rattle goes away as the bias current applied to the coil is fighting movement.
Interesting tidbit when using a video camera with stabilized lens on a moving ship we have to disable stability (when camera is on tripod) or the rocking of the ship causes the stabilizer to hunt and the image itself moves slightly which looks very similar to a motion picture scene on a ship where it is intentional to give the viewer the feeling of the ship rocking. This with professional gear with large lenses, not sure if it would affect phone cams though.
Put it on 4x zoom and you wont hear the rattle.
It's normal