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Tilt2 camera?....

Ok, this camera states its 3.2 megapixels. But the picture quality is worse than the one from my old phone which had only 2 megapixels. Do I need to change the settings or anything?

Megapixels have nothing to do with quality, only size. Make sure you have the largest resolution picked and that it is set to SuperFine. Still, the camera on the TP2 is only so-so.

Wow thats stupid. I don't like the camera at all.

Picture quality also depends on the camera lenses used. HTC doesn't really use great lenses.
Sony Ericsson (I had the SE C702 CyberShot phone before) uses very-high-quality camera lenses, and the pictures it produced were great!
Miami_Son said:
Megapixels have nothing to do with quality, only size. Make sure you have the largest resolution picked and that it is set to SuperFine. Still, the camera on the TP2 is only so-so.
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Well, if you have a 8MP camera vs. a 3.2MP camera taking the same exact photo, and you were to print a 3x5" photo from each, the 8MP should still give you better quality than the 3.2MP. The 8MP camera is able to produce 8 mil. pixels whereas the 3.2MP camera can only produce 3.2 mil. pixels. If you were to print the 3x5" photo, the more pixels, the clearer the image.

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Well, if you have a 8MP camera vs. a 3.2MP camera taking the same exact photo, and you were to print a 3x5" photo from each, the 8MP should still give you better quality than the 3.2MP. The 8MP camera is able to produce 8 mil. pixels whereas the 3.2MP camera can only produce 3.2 mil. pixels. If you were to print the 3x5" photo, the more pixels, the clearer the image.
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Again, that's not a quality issue, per se. Anytime you increase the size of a photo without increasing the number of pixels used to display it, the pic will suffer because things like compression artifacts and aliasing will be more pronounced and visible. Not that these things aren't present in both the 3mp and the 8mp images, they will just be more noticeable in the 3mp image that is displayed at the same size as the 8mp image. That's the real value of more megapixels, the ability to increase print or display size without the ill effects. But that has little to do with quality.
I've been a pro photog for the past 18 years and shooting digitally for magazines since 1997. I started with a sub-1mp camera back then and the quality was fine, but the low pixel count limited our ability to use digital pics for more than just 1/4 page shots or smaller. By the time we got to 4mp cameras we were using them for full page spreads without issue. An 8mp camera can now yield a decent two-page spread. Still, the quality of pics hasn't been increased with more megapixels, only our ability to display them at larger print sizes.
It's easy to confuse megapixels with quality and manufacturers share much of the blame for convincing consumers that more mp=better quality with their sales shtick, but when you understand that quality is not necessarily tied to size, you realize that application is the main factor. For instance a 2mp camera can shoot very high quality 4X6 photos, but blowing those same pics up to 8X10 will reveal the weakness in megapixels, not quality. At the optimum size for a particular mp format, more mp does not yield higher quality, only higher storage and processing needs. It will give you more flexibility in cropping if your skills with the camera are lacking, and more format choices when printing, but not higher quality.

So how would I get the best quality out of my camera?

Have you installed the cab that gives you more camera settings? It gives you a SuperFine setting unavailable on the stock setup. Do a search for it. Also, make sure the lens is clean. Handling the phone often causes fingerprints and smudges on the lens that reduce photo quality.

Thank you so much, do you have a link or know the name of it?

The one I found is ExtraCameraModes.cab.
Here ya go.

Ok, it didn't change anything haha. But thanks anyways

I thought it comes with Super Fine by default. Anyway, I've always had to play around with the light settings the get the color I wanted. I set the ISO at 200. And lighting also takes a toll on the quality of the picture.
Anyway, the camera sucks. i wish they had a button to turn off auto focusing when i need to take quick shots lol

Cameras on cell phones are more of a convenience than a sophisticated capture device. While some actually take fairly good photos, I wouldn't expect too much from any of them. They certainly aren't designed to replace a good point-and-shoot.

OK, well thanks for the help everyone!

[Q] Neo - Question about camera compression

I'm thinking to buy a Neo this week and it will be my first Android phone. In a few reviews I've seen some complaints about the .jpg's being over compressed using the stock camera app. If you use a different camera app are you able to set it for less compression and better pictures?

Hi mattarse
The jpg compression is fine as it is, I believe the discussion on the compression has been started due to very high expectations of the camera in the new xperia phones. The camera IS very good I think considering it is a mobile phone with a very small camera sensor.
Pictures will when you magnify them on your pc never look as good as a dslr or newer compact camera with bigger sensors and better optics. This is probable what started the jpg compression discussion as it would have been nice to just change the jpg compression level and have super sharp pictures even when you zoom in.
The Camera Advance app will give you the option to change the compression but my own tests show no visual difference from the xperia camera app and the picture from camera advance. File size differences was 1MB from xperia camera and 2.2MB from camera advance app.
Camera360 Ultimate will give pictures at the same sizes as the xperia camera app even when you select the finest compression level.
I personally prefer to use the xperia camera app compared to camera360 and camera advance.
I have allways enjoyed photography and normally use a dslr. This is actually the first mobile phone where I have started to use the camera as I have allways disliked the picture quality from my older mobiles. It is amazing to see pictures at iso 1600-2000 being useable from this small camera, the low light performance is very good and the dynamic range under sunlight is also very good.
I have the xperia arc and not neo, but I belive the camera is the same on both mobiles. Have seen some samples from neo where it actually looks like it is producing better pictures, could be due to different optics in the slightly bigger mobile or just differences in firmware.

Well I've bought a Neo for my wife recently. But was surprised also to see the size of the files for an 8mp camera. I was also surprised there is no option for the level of compression.
What is more important that the camera does not produce good quality for darker rooms.(in a room with 15*10W halogen light bulbs). The pictures have a visible yellow-greenish tint and a lot of noise. I haven't tried on outside just yet.
May be my expectation are too high. But I still think this is a marketing trick. They could have easily put a sensor with less density (5mp or 6mp) which is supposed to produce less noise.

valqka said:
Well I've bought a Neo for my wife recently. But was surprised also to see the size of the files for an 8mp camera. I was also surprised there is no option for the level of compression.
What is more important that the camera does not produce good quality for darker rooms.(in a room with 15*10W halogen light bulbs). The pictures have a visible yellow-greenish tint and a lot of noise. I haven't tried on outside just yet.
May be my expectation are too high. But I still think this is a marketing trick. They could have easily put a sensor with less density (5mp or 6mp) which is supposed to produce less noise.
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I do believe the exmoor sensor has improved low light performance compared to a regular mobile camera sensor. But this is still only a small camera and even my dslr would struggle indoor with only artificial lighting unless flash is added.
Have only shot a couple of low light pictures with my arc both outside and inside and agree that pictures especially at iso1600-2000 contain a larger amount of noise. I would say the pictures are very good compared to my old mobile which was useless in low light and good compared to my compact camera.
You can change the scene mode to make the xperia use slower shutter speeds and lower iso, that will give you some very nice scenery shots in low light with little noise. I have to my surprised shot a few sharp fotos at 1/4 shutter speed in low light, that would not be possible without fixed mounting on my dslr or an extremely steady hand.
You will ever only be able to archive good low light pictures with expensive slr and optics. One thing I have learned using slr is that light is king, you can not get enough light if you want sharp, good looking, strong colors etc.
Now you got me interested in doing some tests to compare the low light performance with my dslr and compact camera

Well hygge, I am quite an amateur in shooting but I also know from my extended zoom camera that noise in low light is a nightmare (at least I use Program mode and not automatic ).
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace

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Well hygge, I am quite an amateur in shooting but I also know from my extended zoom camera that noise in low light is a nightmare (at least I use Program mode and not automatic ).
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace
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That would have been a nice picture, but it do sounds like a challenging picture with the reflecting. Remember to record movies of your baby in the bathing tub. My daughters now 3 og 5 years really enjoy looking at short movie clips of them as babies splashing in their bathing tub
(they love playing games on the xperia, mostly drawing apps )
What I have seen so far is that the xperia tend to prefer low shutter speeds in low light situations. I still only have a handfull of shots to base my conclusions but with flash on it was using 1/25 sec shutter. This is too slow taking pictures of moving kids, you will need 1/60 or even 1/120 which is normally only available on slr's. Without flash it has been 1/8 and high iso, must admit it was under circumstances I would never have used my dslr without flash and maybe a bit unfair to judge the xperias camera capabilities.
I agree that the wrong color balance will totally screw up the pictures, have you tried setting the white balance manually in the camera? A setting I have not yet changed on my xperia and are not aware what options are available.

I have now made some quick comparisons of my three cameraes under low light conditions.
Might upload test pictures later when I have the time, for now you will have to trust me
Camera 1. Xperia Arc 8MegaPixel
Camera 2. Olympus u Tough 12MegaPixel
Camera 3. Konica Minolta 5D dslr 6MegaPixel
Test 1 without flash
Xperia 1. Kamera advance app with lowest compression, no flash
ISO: 1000
Exposure: 1/8
Olympus 2. Default settings with disable flash
ISO: 400
Exposure: 1/4
KM 5D 3. Full auto, no flash
Could not focus, too little light, camera suggested 3-4 sec shutter speed
(was using OEM lense with bad aperture which gave it problems focussing, could have used a better lense but decided to use OEM lense to keep the comparisons fairly)
Results:
Olympus had only a tiny bit more details and allot more noise, picture was looking very bad up close.
Xperia Arc, even at iso 1000 the noise was lower than my Olympus and the picture looked more clean with nicer colors. I definitely prefered the Xperia result.
The olympus will not go lower than 1/4 shutter speed and iso 400. I selected night scenery on the Arc and got a picture with iso 160 and shutterspeed 1/2. This picture had even less noise but was slightly blurred at 1/2, need a more steady hand but still a very useable result.
My DSLR would not take a picture without focus.
Winner:
Xperia Arc, higher shutter speeds and a cleaner picture with less noise. I was surprised to see the loss of details on my 12MP Olympus at ISO 400 compared to the Xperia Arc.
Test 2
With Flash:
Xperia 1. ISO 400, shutter 1/24
Olympus 2. ISO 100, shutter 1/30
KM 5D 3. ISO 100, shutter 1/60
Result:
The Olympus with flash and ISO 100 gave a sharp, low noise picture and the 12MP provided better details than the xperia could show. The flash on the xperia is not very strong and it was not possible for me to configure it to use lower ISO than 400. The xperia arc picture did give a nice result with low noise.
The 6MP DSLR with flash give the same amount of details as the 12MP Olympus, my old DSLR is still going strong and a better lense will give an even sharper picture
Winner:
KonicaMinolta 5D wins, followed by Olympus. Xperia Arc still gave a nice result but with less details and more noise than the other two devices.
One last test at a really dark area without flash also proved xperia arc to be the winner. My Olympus would not go lower than 1/4 iso400 while xperia used 1/8 iso2000. The motive was only visible on xperia arc and even a fairly noisy picture at iso2000 is better than no picture at all
My own conclusion is that the xperia arc/neo is really good at low light performance and even outperforms many compact cameras, but the the weak flash give some serious limitations. The low shutter speeds will probably also be an issue taking pictures of moving motives in low light.
(did shoot a couple of shoots with sony camera app and did not notice any difference from Camera Advance, I used the 3PP camera to use as little jpg compression as possible but I doubt the pictures visually differ much)
It would be interesting to do some tests during daylight as well, it will not benefit from the improved low light performance compared to other camera sensors. I am curious to see how the dynamic range of this sensor is, can it compare to my Olympus compact camera then it would be a serious contender as my primary point and shoot camera as long as flash is not needed.

Thanks forthe replies - I'm not expecting amazing things from camera on a phone Just want to make sure that software isn't unnecessarily hindering the hardware.
It also looks like it will be a couple of weeks before I pick one up...Unless i opt for something else in that time, but for a smallish screen size Android phone this currently looks the best. I do wish it had gorilla glass - but you can't have it all
Now I've found a confusing thread about in line remotes on the headphones that I need to figure out (yes I do seem to put way too much thought into these things!).

valqka said:
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace
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I think the yellow green tint you're seeing will be from the lights in the room - you see this on most cameras of any quality, if you have a white balance setting you should have one for indoor/halogen lights. It's also normally easy to fix in Photoshop.

Camera Super Pixel 63.5 MP photos on Lg v10

Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel

good one to share , thank you

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good one to share , thank you
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Your welcome mate

Tested camera Super Pixel, quite impressive, 43.3 MB, couldnt attach, too large, had to upload to OneDrive :good:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=1ADC5303B8000E17!167484&authkey=!AB8IRnFt2qnChbQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
Photo by LG camera attached :good:

Not much different, doesnt have manual setting, take up too much space

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Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp

kangi26 said:
I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen

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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"

kangi26 said:
I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You are right. This superpixel camera gives a fake better image. I taken the same image in the same condition with the original V10 H961N camera and with the supercamera, analysed both in paintshop after magnifying and the details in supercamera are very dissapointing. Uninstalled without regrets.

My Sony NEX6 camera has a much larger sensor than the V10, but the same 16 Mp resolution...
I am not saying this app will have 4 times more detail, but dividing every pixel in 4 blended with the pixels around, if properly done, will increase sharpness, as I confirmed with my tests.
Having said that, I will not use it, not worth what we loose on features

The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/

I recommend having a look at cortexcamera. It uses a similar "trick", but increases the size by only 50%. The result is a stunning 24 MP photo with almost no visible noise and lots of details with no adverse affects from noise reduction. There are a number of limitations though that are basically inherent in the technic. It's best used for rather static scenes and between shots the phone needs a couple of seconds to calculate the resulting image (combined from up to 100 single frames). That being said especially for night or landscape shots I find the results impressive.

Using the Super Resolution Method does not add any more details. Of course it is limited by the sensor. But by doing this, noise is greatly reduced and artifacts like Moire get removed since the program averages the images. This method is done by professional photographers if they want to enhance images when using a mid range shooter.
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kangi26 said:
The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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There are certain benefits upon doing this 4x Spatial Reso Increase. The details don't bump up so much but noise gets significantly reduced and edges become much more detailed rather than edgy. Still its an improvement than nothing. Tho the hype should be re calibrated.

Nukhem said:
The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
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Exactly this. I was just about to mention the OM-D E-M5 MII. This camera has a 16MP sensor but has a 40MP high-res shooting mode which combines eight exposures into a single image which is how it can manage to get such a high pixel count out of a sensor that's only natively capable of 16MP. You and your subject would need to be completely still though as any movement can create blurs and jagged lines but the results are real, there is a noticeable difference if you look closely.
But that's if you look closely. Having a high pixel counts doesn't mean much unless you need extremely large prints and even then, have you guys seen the huge billboards from Apple saying that the picture was taken with an iPhone 6 or 6S? That's a 8MP and 12MP sensor respectively. Of course, they probably edited the pictures like there's no tomorrow but then if you were going for such huge prints, you probably wouldn't be printing directly from the in camera RAW or JPEG file.
As a hobbyist photographer, I would say learn the manual settings in the built-in camera app. It's more than enough to squeeze the best possible pictures you can get out of the V10's camera. Then go out and buy yourself a MILC or DSLR (but MILC is probably the smarter choice).

thanks for posting this app
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vip57 said:
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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Don't lile it
Image processing is way better in stock lg cam app

Yeah pixel count does not matter much. 16mp is plenty for most pics. Unless the program managed to use the ois in here to emulate what the Olympus OMD EM5 Mark II does I dont see how it would get a actual useable larger pixel count without the possiblity of introducing digitial artifacts in the image. And even then unless you were shooting non moving subjects in a studio environment you would get that ghosting effect in the pics. Id rather just take regular shots in Raw and post process if I need to work the pics some more. On a side note, the 5 axis OIS on the Olympus is very Nice. I agree with a previous poster about learning what the manual controls do. Then get a nice camera if you are serious about taking better shots.

OnePlus 5T: Camera Software Review

There's a constant debate between OnePlus 5T, its camera.. vs. Google Pixel 2 XL. For myself - I can't justify nearly double the price for the lower megapixel camera and subpar display.
There were also a few camera related enhancements in recent firmwares leading to 4.7.6. Also, for me there was no interest in social media crap - beautifying, etc. I also couldn't make GCam work with back camera on 4.7.6.
All of the photos were made using intentionally difficult conditions.. dim light, photo taken at an angle, etc.
Camera FV5: Creates very noisy pictures, even with optimal lighting
Better Camera - HDR: Too artificial colors with slight red shift, textures are not uniform
Better Camera - Single Shot: Textures are much better, colors are greyed out, some noise still present
Better Camera - Best mode: This seems the most optimal, least amount of blur due to lack of optical image stabilization, as this mode takes 3 shots, and selects the one with the highest focus.
Fotej Camera - HDR: Very poor, spilled ink like effect instead of slight glow
Fotej Camera - HDR off: Also very poor, lack of clarity or details, noise.
Open Camera - Using Camera 2 API, 95% JPEG quality: too much sharpen, textures are not even uneven, but grainy, with blackish dots, loss of texture details
Open Camera - Using Camera 2 API, 97% JPEG quality: same - too much sharpen, but textures are more even, grainy blackish dots are still present but a lot less
Open Camera - Using Camera 2 API, 97% JPEG quality, HDR Mode Always On: Too significant loss of details, loss of texture details
In summary, I think 5T stock camera and Better Camera with Best mode wins. 5T works a bit better with color, textures, does not abuse the image taken, while Better Camera in the Best Mode takes 3 photos, and selects least blurry one - which seems to be the only way to compensate for the lack of optical image stabilization.
Other conclusions:
- HRR still doesn't seem to work well on 3rd party camera apps
- Stock Camera HQ mode still doesn't work, blur and loss of details is significant
What are your findings?

I really don`t satisfy with the camera

RAW capture in Nokia Camera | My Google Camera opinion.

Recently I got my Nokia 6.1, well first thing I did was download Arnova's Google camera and Potter's Night Sight Google Camera.
Maybe it's me buy I wasn't able to find RAW capture in default camera app. Need help with this because I liked stock camera features.
as for Google camera, both cameras with Super photo settings, I noticed high amount of noise. Check photo corners
Both in night sight and HDR+ modes, so I'm sticking with stock camera, and using Gcam HDR+ only for selfies. Disappointed.

In poor light conditions, dslr-s also have noise in the final image, so you can't expect miracles from a sensor, that is as big as needle pin, compared to APS-C or FF sensors, which have way more area for gathering light. Combine that with the poorer high ISO performance, the lack of long exposure time, and the lack of variable aperture - I'm really amazed what the computational technology of GCam ports are capable of doing in low light, HANDHELD!!! Today I made some tests, and with nightmode I got results, that would require a tripod for my camera to make an image with comparable quality.
Stock camera doesn't have RAW support and RAW doesn't "eliminate" noise - on the contrary - in some situations, GCAM copes better than me in editing the noise out and preserving the detail (I do it in lightroom).
So for now, GCam with nightmode is quite a thing, given the limited hardware of every smartphone camera.

bo6o said:
In poor light conditions, dslr-s also have noise in the final image, so you can't expect miracles from a sensor, that is as big as needle pin, compared to APS-C or FF sensors, which have way more area for gathering light. Combine that with the poorer high ISO performance, the lack of long exposure time, and the lack of variable aperture - I'm really amazed what the computational technology of GCam ports are capable of doing in low light, HANDHELD!!! Today I made some tests, and with nightmode I got results, that would require a tripod for my camera to make an image with comparable quality.
Stock camera doesn't have RAW support and RAW doesn't "eliminate" noise - on the contrary - in some situations, GCAM copes better than me in editing the noise out and preserving the detail (I do it in lightroom).
So for now, GCam with nightmode is quite a thing, given the limited hardware of every smartphone camera.
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Well I am photographer myself and I understand what you said, but in my case even with ISO100 and 3 sec shutter with tripod final image has artifacts not noise. I noticed that even in daylight, somehow after phone
restart I got less of that, so possibly it was software bug.
So far I tested Footej Camera and Momento Pro Camera both of same allow saving in RAW , however they don't support long shutter speed above 1 sec.
FV-5 camera also is good, saves RAW format and also is pretty well.
As for Google Cam, I use it for selfies, they are a lot detailed, for video I recommend Cinema 4K , you get decent quality with 200mbps bitrate (sample)
And software stabilisation in that software is quite decent, make sure you shoot in 1080p for stabilisation to work.

I tested with lightroom camera, and sadly, I should agree with you, but I don't think it's a software bug. It's either the capability of the sensor (reason one for the short maximum long exposure time), or just fast overheating of the sensor (less plausible).
I've seen a comparison between pixel 3 night mode vs a7riii camera - it's amazing, and has nothing in common with the noise in 6.1. And this makes me think of a third reason - as this program is a port, it might have special algorithm for cleaning the noise of the pixel sensor, which doesn't work for ours. This theory can be checked by asking someone to take a comparable long exposure with pixel 3 in dng, with a third party program.