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Build quality?

When I tap my phone on back cover near the camera there is a distinct rattling sound. It's as if there is something loose inside the phone.
Has anyone else noticed this?

Nothing here, for me build quality is superb!

mines nearer to lower left section of back cover behind the home key but only just a minor creak.. to be expected with a plastic construction I guess (waiting for HTC to release a Legend type unibody on Desire)...
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laserman123 said:
When I tap my phone on back cover near the camera there is a distinct rattling sound. It's as if there is something loose inside the phone.
Has anyone else noticed this?
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Same problem here. I'm going crazy from this sound. It seems that it is something in camera construction (maybe autofocus?) because when I take photos I get the same sound.

laserman123 said:
When I tap my phone on back cover near the camera there is a distinct rattling sound. It's as if there is something loose inside the phone.
Has anyone else noticed this?
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It's your camera.
A lot of phones that doesn't have fixed focus will have this issue. It's due to the lence moving inside its housing, creating that rattling sound.
My previous 3gs had it, my desire has it now. Nothing to worry about, but really annoying
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Same here. Unfortunately it seems that this is a problem with HTC Desire.

No, its a problem with the cameras HTC uses. My Hero had the same rattle. so did the phone a friend uses. Other brands have the rattle as well.
It's just part of the camera and autofocus. wouldn't exactly call it bad build quality as well...
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Thanks for the replies guys.
I had better stop tapping it if it's the camera! LOL
Wasn't sure if I should request exchanget but if they are all the same then no point.

Presumably it's the rattle that lets the camera zoom optically?

My N82 has this too. I'm pretty sure most autofocus camera phones will have this. I certainly don't think its a problem or a build quality issue. Does anyone NOT have that rattle when they sahke there phone upside down?

I have the rattle aswell. Oddly enough I have an LG Viewty with auto and manual focus and it doesn't have the same rattle. My N95 8GB didn't have the rattle either. My digital camera doesn't rattle either when I tap the lense. I'm guessing that it's just because the lense isn't that great.

Some devices are known to have this problem. Is is coming from the camera and is perfectly normal.

No rattles here, however frame of my desire is a bit... bent. You know, that brown part?
I pushed in so it's kinda ok now, but from some angles I can see light leaking out.
Some with trackball, the ball is a bit pushed to the right side, so light leaks out on the left side.
Kinda bummed for that, I mean this is after all quite expensive piece of technology...
EDIT: after some knocking around, there's that rattle, ARGHHHHH

It's the autofocus mech in the camera.

Let's talk about the Note 10/Note 10+

#August 7th is the launch date if latest rumours are to be believed.
- What do you think about the rumored pinhole front facing camera? Looking at the small size of it, is it going to be inferior to the one in the S10+?
- The rumoured back cameras design looks a lot like what we have seen in several other smartphones. It does not look appealing to me and expected a better design.
- No hardware bixby button seen so far looking at trustworthy sources/renders. If it's real, it would feel like a fresh breath of air. Hope they all together killed it and not keeping a software-only bixby.
- Exynos 9820 or 9825? Hope the latter.
- 25W fast charging or something like 45W? Hope it's 45 but I'm kinda sure it'll be 25.?
#Meanwhile Vivo goes INSANE with 120W super fast charging to charge 4000 mAh in 13 minutes:
( https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/06/...arge-can-power-4000mah-battery-in-13-minutes/ )
- No headphobe jack it seems, not that something I care much, but a lot will be furious for sure.
- Feels good to know about AMD & Samsung's GPU licensing deal, but it does not mean we will see Adreno GPU in Exynos SoCs so soon, and nothing tastes bitter than continuing with Mali GPUs.
( https://www.anandtech.com/show/14492/samsung-amds-gpu-licensing-an-interesting-collaboration )
- Courtesy to IceUniverse's tweet, Note 10's "chin" is very narrow and hence no speaker grooves on the forehead, meaning that the flagship Sound on Display(SoD) technology will replace the traditional speaker. This is a welcome move . SoD in LG G8 for example, produces fuller, louder and equally good sound like traditional stereo ones.
- Though improved with consecutive updates, the FP sensor on the S10/S10+ still struggles at times, hope we see a drastic change in the second gen sensor.
- UFS 3.0 for sure, fast AF, sweet to have irrespective of how much of a difference it actually makes in real world..

- I wish the pinhole was at the side. Sticking it in the middle is distracting and also wastes the space either side.
- I like the camera design on the rear, it looks more natural when you are taking landscape oriented shots.
- No Bixby? No problem. Look I have tried very hard to like Bixby, I have defended it many times but in all honesty it sucks. The button is a pain as I constantly accidentally press it when gripping the phone.
- I think the processor speed regardless of which version will be absolutely more than enough. I don't get hyped up about speed anymore, I haven't had performance issues with Samsung flagships in a very long time. The latest version is nice but I am not too fussed.
- Superfast wireless charging would be nice but it's not dealbreaking.
- I do want a headphone jack! I do not see the point in removing it just to be like all the others. If they do remove it I hope they ship with some decent wireless buds.
- A GPU upgrade is a long time coming.
- I like the idea of Sound on Display for making calls, so long as it doesn't make the external speakers sound crap or too quiet when playing music or video.
- I definitely think they will improve the fingerprint scanner. My S10+ is hit and miss and seems like it's in beta. I am sure this will be improved.
- UFS 3.0 ... I agree it might not be worth the excitement but nice to have.
I hope they stick to the more subtle curves on the edges and corners. As much as I like the look of the curves on my S10+ they aren't as comfortable/practical as the Note 9.
I hope we still have a MicroSD card slot and they add wireless power share. I also want to see more attention paid to low light photography and an increase in optical zoom.
Regardless, as a Note Nutter I will be buying a Note 10. I don't want to break the chain of Notes owned since 2011
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apprentice said:
- I wish the pinhole was at the side. Sticking it in the middle is distracting and also wastes the space either side.
- I like the camera design on the rear, it looks more natural when you are taking landscape oriented shots.
- No Bixby? No problem. Look I have tried very hard to like Bixby, I have defended it many times but in all honesty it sucks. The button is a pain as I constantly accidentally press it when gripping the phone.
- I think the processor speed regardless of which version will be absolutely more than enough. I don't get hyped up about speed anymore, I haven't had performance issues with Samsung flagships in a very long time. The latest version is nice but I am not too fussed.
- Superfast wireless charging would be nice but it's not dealbreaking.
- I do want a headphone jack! I do not see the point in removing it just to be like all the others. If they do remove it I hope they ship with some decent wireless buds.
- A GPU upgrade is a long time coming.
- I like the idea of Sound on Display for making calls, so long as it doesn't make the external speakers sound crap or too quiet when playing music or video.
- I definitely think they will improve the fingerprint scanner. My S10+ is hit and miss and seems like it's in beta. I am sure this will be improved.
- UFS 3.0 ... I agree it might not be worth the excitement but nice to have.
I hope they stick to the more subtle curves on the edges and corners. As much as I like the look of the curves on my S10+ they aren't as comfortable/practical as the Note 9.
I hope we still have a MicroSD card slot and they add wireless power share. I also want to see more attention paid to low light photography and an increase in optical zoom.
Regardless, as a Note Nutter I will be buying a Note 10. I don't want to break the chain of Notes owned since 2011
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Quite liked how you wrote.
Unfortunately, we will probably see Type C AKG earphones bundled with, and not wireless buds as per this tweet:
https://twitter.com/mweinbachXDA/status/1142429182431039488?s=19
We are already seeing massive low light improvements in the S10's after the updates :
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-camera-review-updates/
Note 10 should make it even better.
Sammy will probably not pay much attention to more optical zoom capabilities for now, but with 3 variable apertures being rumored, we might see sharper images in moderate lighting conditions due to the addition of f/1.8
https://mobile.twitter.com/UniverseIce/status/1141608857220681728?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Maybe they will offer the earbuds on pre-orders (fingers crossed) But whilst I don't use the headphone jack very much I really hate this band wagon jumping that OEM's started to do when Apple removed it unnecessarily because (cough) they were brave.
The rumour mill does suggest that the Note 10 might have a 5x Optical Zoom, though it might be more destined to coincide with the next year's A-Series launches, considered Samsung's test-bed models of late. I also read that their newly developed 64 megapixel ISOCELL Bright GW1 sensor is not going to make it to the Note 10.
Which leads me on to this:
What's sad is that the Galaxy Note series was always considered Samsung's top jewel in the crown. If a new innovation was being pushed out you would find it on the latest Note. Now it seems that all the excitement is taken away once the S - Series phones are released (and in some cases the Galaxy A-Series) so owning a Note doesn't give you the bragging rights you once enjoyed. A good example is that I used to love the larger screen size offered by a Galaxy Note but now my S10+ is the same size as the Note 9. Camera innovations are often re-ported from the S to the Note, along with new bio-metrics and screen technology. So aside from the S-Pen, what do we really get for all that extra cash?
I upgrade each year all the same, because I have always considered the best Android phone each and every year is the Samsung Galaxy Note. But seriously, if the boundaries between the Galaxy S and the Note becoming more and more blurred my passion for this device will probable dwindle.
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the bixby button was my flash light button ...
now i have to go buy a rape whistle.

bober10113 said:
the bixby button was my flash light button ...
now i have to go buy a rape whistle.
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That hopefully will never come in handy!

bober10113 said:
the bixby button was my flash light button ...
now i have to go buy a rape whistle.
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[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] or maybe a chasity belt.
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Limeybastard said:
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] or maybe a chasity belt.
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do they cover the back side as well?

bober10113 said:
do they cover the back side as well?
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Yes, and they are barbed.
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a new article appeared on gsmarena where it leaks new note 10 cases and it's clearly showing that it will not have a headphone jack. personally I don't see a reason to buy it, even though I have wireless headphones I also use the wired ones at work and for the moment I can't part myself from a very useful feature.

To be honest, the Note 10 seems too similar to the S10 5G. I do prefer the centered front camera and the S-Pen is nice, but is it worth losing a headphone jack and likely having a smaller battery? Also, we see a rumored A90 without a notch or punch, but with high end specs.
Samsung has created too many models. They likely could have saved money and cut costs by combining the 5G and Note models. They could differentiate them more by using different aspect ratios. Not everyone likes the 19:9 or 19.5:9 aspect ratios. Phones are getting tall and unwieldy and a bezel-less 18:9 or 18.5:9 phone would be welcome.

Reportedly "leaked" live images:
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-plus-leaked-live-images/

Virgo_Guy said:
Reportedly "leaked" live images:
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-plus-leaked-live-images/
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Hoping the curve edges are same as rhe s10plus and not more aggressive.
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Hoping the curve edges are same as rhe s10plus and not more aggressive.
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Yup. It doesn't look aggressive in the pics...
And I'm not liking the punch - "pin"hole front cam. The "capsule" in the s10+ distracts, this one will too, but it's too late for me to whine.

Eagerly waiting on the official details but so far dont like the pin hole camera hole, the camera hole on the s10+ looks much better and like u can add the battery icon colors.
If they remove the Bixby button that would suck because now since u can remap I use that all day every day for my Nest cameras on demand. I mean u could use google to open apps quickly button if its constantly listening to wake up i found that drains ur battery. It's great though if u have smart displays at home and all.

Yeah, looks like I will sit this one out. The note 9 is going to be the new note4 . The notch is a deal breaker and so is the lack of headphone jack. The back camera placement is fine tho. I too ,miss the days of the Note being the flagship, and all about business, but nows it's just the Galaxy S with a pen. Some people may think it's being silly, but I refuse to pay north of 1000 bucks for something that isn't exactly what I want. I also thought there would be more Note fans who share the same view, but it looks like I am in a small minority of folks who hate the notch and love the headphone jack. I now know how the fans of the ir blaster felt.
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While it sad to see the headphone jack go, I don't find the audio all that good out of the Note 9 headphone jack. It's OK but nothing special.
I use a Bluetooth adapter which gives far better sound.
So I'm not too bothered about the Headphone jack going.

nuclearrage said:
Yeah, looks like I will sit this one out. The note 9 is going to be the new note4 . The notch is a deal breaker and so is the lack of headphone jack. The back camera placement is fine tho. I too ,miss the days of the Note being the flagship, and all about business, but nows it's just the Galaxy S with a pen. Some people may think it's being silly, but I refuse to pay north of 1000 bucks for something that isn't exactly what I want. I also thought there would be more Note fans who share the same view, but it looks like I am in a small minority of folks who hate the notch and love the headphone jack. I now know how the fans of the ir blaster felt.
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You know what's funny about your post? I legit just told my wife about 2 days ago I would have happily stayed with my note 4. I had so many accessories, giant batteries like zero lemon. It was truly decked out. My last got ridiculously smashed though

This stupid ''Infinity O'' thing in the middle of the Display on Top is the only reason to wait better on Note 11 or 12. Im no Fan with this Notch/InfinityO things overall. Anyway my Note 9 is atm a beast & i guss it will be a beast for the next 2-3 years. Hopefully Sammy managed this Displayhole till this day when i feel a need to upgrade.

Same here I'm staying with the note 9 for a few years

Rattling sound from top of phone when shaking. Sound like something loose?

I've had this phone for 6 months and not noticed this
Can someone tell me if this is normal. Some people are saying it's the camera and it's normal. My phone has a had a few drops, nothing that bad or enough to even dent the phone.
Is there a definitive answer on this?

Benjive said:
I've had this phone for 6 months and not noticed this
Can someone tell me if this is normal. Some people are saying it's the camera and it's normal. My phone has a had a few drops, nothing that bad or enough to even dent the phone.
Is there a definitive answer on this?
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Yes, it's normal and it is the camera, because it has OIS, am I right?

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Yes, it's normal and it is the camera, because it has OIS, am I right?
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We only have EIS (electronic image stabilization). But I think too, it's the camera.
Edit: Though if it shouldn't move due to electronic stabilization, it shouldn't make sound either. My model (A505FN) is quiet for shake.

nemes480 said:
We only have EIS (electronic image stabilization). But I think too, it's the camera.
Edit: Though if it shouldn't move due to electronic stabilization, it shouldn't make sound either. My model (A505FN) is quiet for shake.
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I have FN too and for shake it's quite, only when turining on/switching cameras or when I hardly bang the phone

Question Something loose in camera area?

First let me say that I haven't dropped my phone ,except couch to rug. This morning I was trying to rotate the display and I noticed a clicking sound in the camera area. Now when I shake it it sounds like a kids rattle. As far as I can tell the camera still works - zoom, focus, all modes. But it's really troubling that a new phone has something come loose. And more concerned that it's going to continue breaking down. NOT happy at all!

Have you never heard your camera lenses move about your phone before?
When not in use, the lenses don't have a magnetic field keeping them in position and move around freely within the module obviously. All phones do this.

There have been multiple posts in multiple threads in this section. It's normal having to do with the telescoping camera. I believe it's reported that the iPhone is like this too.
I'll add that I haven't noticed anything from mine, and I have really sensitive hearing. I've also had mine in an OtterBox Defender case from day one, so I don't know if that muffles the sound.

OnceAMatrixMan said:
First let me say that I haven't dropped my phone ,except couch to rug. This morning I was trying to rotate the display and I noticed a clicking sound in the camera area. Now when I shake it it sounds like a kids rattle. As far as I can tell the camera still works - zoom, focus, all modes. But it's really troubling that a new phone has something come loose. And more concerned that it's going to continue breaking down. NOT happy at all!
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That's the OIS. Every OIS rattles.
The bigger the sensor/OIS, the louder the rattle.
Meaning almost every modern phone has this rattle. Just try it out with your old phone, shake it whilst holding it next to your ear: You will hear the rattle.
The P6 Pros rattle is - loudness wise (vs other periscope phones) - slightly above average, but that's not concerning.
Samsung has a support page about this:
Do you hear a small noise from inside of the device when shaking your Galaxy phone?
FAQ for Samsung mobile devices. Find more about Do you hear a small noise from inside of the device when shaking your Galaxy phone? with Samsung Support
www.samsung.com
You can manually test this, by going into your camera and making sure that the tele lens is activated (zoom greater than 4/5) - if you shake it then, the sound will be massively reduced, simply because the OIS has kicked in. In it's "idle" state it creates the rattle.

Thanks all. Weird that I didn't notice it until today. I am a little less concerned now. I'll check the wife's 4a5G when she gets home. My LG G7 didn't have this rattle.
Also sorry about the dup post - didn't see the others, and I check at least once a week, but I hate this app. I had an (unofficial) app a few phones back that mimicked the website well - this one is a mess!

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Also sorry about the dup post - didn't see the others, and I check at least once a week, but I hate this app. I had an (unofficial) app a few phones back that mimicked the website well - this one is a mess!
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Yeah. I still use the new app occasionally but I do most of my XDA browsing (and especially searching) on the computer and a little in the Android Chrome app. The new forum software definitely has some nice things about it (although I can only think of one or two on the spot). I know they absolutely had to change forum software to make things easier in the background. I'm guessing that the new forum software came with a sample template app and either it's just not possible to implement things as nicely as in the old app, or they haven't been able to dedicate the time and effort to it.
Ah! Found a good search to find other posts about it, not that it matters now and it's probably not all-inclusive. Keyword: rattle.
Personally, whenever I hear about folks actually trying to reproduce the sound on any phone, I get nervous they are going to break their phones.

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Personally, whenever I hear about folks actually trying to reproduce the sound on any phone, I get nervous they are going to break their phones.
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I don't want to cause any panic here, but it is definitely possible to break the OIS with prolonged, excessive shaking/vibration. It's a moving part that can only take so much. In a normal everyday-usecase, that will probably never happen, but there are a couple reports of people who use their phone on their motorcycle (various manufacturers/different phones) that have a broken OIS. Of course some people never tell the true story, maybe they thundered over a pothole with 200 km/h and that caused the OIS to fail, but in the end the reports remain and there is not much anyone can do about it.

I can vouch for what everyone is saying here. I just got my P6P today and it rattles if i shake it by my ear. Definitely dont constantly try to shake it and make it rattle, thats definitely adding wear and tear, although not much, but too much can cause problems.

Question Pixel 6 Pro Camera Rattle

I've have the phone since October.
Mine made no noise from launch until today. I do not think it's to be making a clunky rattle. Not heard anything about this but found a few threads where Google just says it's normal because the camera has moving parts. I have had many cameras with moving parts that did not start to rattle after 5 or 6 months.
Just picking it up made the noise and just turning it over as well.
Anyone get a fix or replacement?

Mine sounds like it has a few marbles in it when I shake it. Ditto for the S22 ultra but not as noticeable. When the OIS isn't active, the lens can move. To keep it parked would require a constant current draw.

Tanquen said:
I've have the phone since October.
Mine made no noise from launch until today. I do not think it's to be making a clunky rattle. Not heard anything about this but found a few threads where Google just says it's normal because the camera has moving parts. I have had many cameras with moving parts that did not start to rattle after 5 or 6 months.
Just picking it up made the noise and just turning it over as well.
Anyone get a fix or replacement?
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They ALL make the ratting noise when you shake them because of the stabilizer in the camera. It's totally normal. Yours did it from the day you bought it but you probably haven't noticed until now.

It is the lens elements in the periscope assembly so it is a bit louder than normal but all OIS lenses rattle if you shake them hard enough.
Samsung even have a page dedicated to it. https://www.samsung.com/sg/support/...of-the-device-when-shaking-your-galaxy-phone/

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all OIS lenses rattle if you shake them hard enough.
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This.
Now, some OIS are prone to rattle more, usually on bigger sensors/especially with a periscope lenns.
You can also shake any of your older phones (Iphones, Pixels, Samsungs, whatever). They will ALL make a rattling noise (as long as they have an OIS), if you shake them and hold it close to your ears. Most "older" phones with smaller sensors/OIS are just much more quiet in that regard.
It's absolutely normal for your Pixel (6) to have a rattling sound when you shake the phone.
Mind also, that this is a potential weak point. If you rattle the phone too hard for too long, it's possible for the OIS to break. Now that will usually never happen in a normal usecase, but I've seen several reports of motorbike owners over the years and their OIS problems, since the constant bumping (they used their phones for navigation) with high speed (100 km/h +), thundering over potholes and the likes, permanently damaged the OIS. It is, after all, a moving part. And all moving parts can break.
Now, I do not know how "hard" your rattle is. Your text said that this "developed" over the months. That should NOT happen. So they question is: Did the rattle really increase, or did you just become aware of it?
If it "changed" or "increased" it is indeed possible that something changed/broke (you can test the OIS functioning by making a simple video and seeing if the stabilization kicks in).
You can try to find out if it's the "normal" OIS rattle sound by going into the camera and forcing the different lenses (zoom in or out), whilst slightly shaking the phone. If the zoom kicks in (periscope lens) the "heavy" rattle should effectively disappear. If that is not the case, it's rather likely that something broke at your end.

Thing is the rattle in mine goes away when i don't think about it and it only comes back when people remind me it rattles.

Got my pixel 6 pro on 29th march I just shook it by ear and can hear a rattle

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Thing is the rattle in mine goes away when i don't think about it and it only comes back when people remind me it rattles.
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If the camera app is open the rattle goes away as the bias current applied to the coil is fighting movement.
Interesting tidbit when using a video camera with stabilized lens on a moving ship we have to disable stability (when camera is on tripod) or the rocking of the ship causes the stabilizer to hunt and the image itself moves slightly which looks very similar to a motion picture scene on a ship where it is intentional to give the viewer the feeling of the ship rocking. This with professional gear with large lenses, not sure if it would affect phone cams though.

Put it on 4x zoom and you wont hear the rattle.
It's normal