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Samsung Canada dropping Galaxy Nexus?

After reading through the thread regarding Samsung not building the 32GB GSM and discontinuing accessories, I went to the Samsung Canada website. The GN is nowhere to be found on the site. The only thing I could find was a link to download the quick start guide. Looks like this will be the shortest lived best phone ever made.

Good thing I bought mine when I did then. But would this mean that they wouldnt support the 1 year warranty that comes with the phone?

I'm not sure. I was planning on picking this up in the next couple of days. I am having serious second thoughts on that move considering the canadian versions have to get their updates through Samsung. If they are dropping it just a few months into its life, I wonder if they will ever supply another update.

Wait you guys are basing this all on the fact that the GN got removed from the site?
That's not unusual. Of course they will honour the warranty and the Galaxy Nexus will continue to be sold.
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AV8ing said:
I'm not sure. I was planning on picking this up in the next couple of days. I am having serious second thoughts on that move considering the canadian versions have to get their updates through Samsung. If they are dropping it just a few months into its life, I wonder if they will ever supply another update.
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You can flash it without breaking the warranty. Flash to yakju for latest official builds. duh
This is THE google phone, nothing [email protected] over here.

OTA Update 6/22/16

I am currently downloading the new set OTA. I saw someone else said it's just a security update, but the file I'm currently downloading is 1.6GB. Seem rather large for a security update?

Could you post the build number when you're all done?
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Was planning on it. It's taking forever to download though.
jack man said:
Could you post the build number when you're all done?
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ATT Note 5 Software update
schultz915 said:
I am currently downloading the new set OTA. I saw someone else said it's just a security update, but the file I'm currently downloading is 1.6GB. Seem rather large for a security update?
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I am downloading that as well. it's been an hour and the download is 1/2 way done. No where in the news does ATT mention either SW update OR a security patch.. Hope I am not disappointed after this..

What's the build no.?

This is it. It's been confirmed on multiple sites. I have yet to download it. I'm still on PE5

If this is a 1.5gig security update I'll take my note to my att store and jam it directly up the sales reps ass!
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What sites confirm it's the update?

JGuinan007 said:
What sites confirm it's the update?
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None yet. But there's nothing else it could plausibly be. It's 1.4GB, the same size as our MM sideloads. Security updates have been under 100MB.

OK I see it on android central that wasn't there this morning around 8am they just posted it later.
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The whole thing gets on my nerves I like the Note series but really can't deal with update delays I think I'm going Nexus for my next phone.

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What's the build no.?
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PE6, someone just posted a screenshot on Android Central.

6.0.1 released in Oct 2015 Samsung released March 2016 (5 months later) AT&T released June 2016 (3 months later than Samsung and 8 months later than Google) and this is a Flagship device?

JGuinan007 said:
6.0.1 released in Oct 2015 Samsung released March 2016 (5 months later) AT&T released June 2016 (3 months later than Samsung and 8 months later than Google) and this is a Flagship device?
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The combination of an OEM known for being slow with updates (Samsung) and a carrier that's even worse, sad to say. A shame, really. The Note5 is an excellent phone all around. In truth AT&T is worse to deal with than the the the manufacturers themselves.

Time to go to Best Buy and have them push the update to my phone.
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1Zero3forlife said:
Time to go to Best Buy and have them push the update to my phone.
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Whoa there buddy? Where is this magical Best Buy that actually has someone there that knows something about technology? /s
Just follow the Step-By-Step guide and you could have had Marshmellow-2-slow a month ago.

Nopcodex90 said:
Whoa there buddy? Where is this magical Best Buy that actually has someone there that knows something about technology? /s
Just follow the Step-By-Step guide and you could have had Marshmellow-2-slow a month ago.
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Any Best Buy with a Samsung Experience in it will update your phone. Im on Cricket and on the Samsung Insights program, so no side loading. I just checked Smart Switch and it is not available today.
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1Zero3forlife said:
Any Best Buy with a Samsung Experience in it will update your phone. Im on Cricket and on the Samsung Insights program, so no side loading. I just checked Smart Switch and it is not available today.
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Well that takes all the fun out of things in my opinion. You're gonna watch some knucklehead have at it like a drunk girl at a frat party. Half the fun is gaining the experience hacking away at an ADB shell and figuring things out on your own. Damn kids these days.... Get off my lawn.

so if we are on PE6 what is the point of updating?

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Well that takes all the fun out of things in my opinion. You're gonna watch some knucklehead have at it like a drunk girl at a frat party. Half the fun is gaining the experience hacking away at an ADB shell and figuring things out on your own. Damn kids these days.... Get off my lawn.
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You are not understanding, I would all day but my phone is a free phone, I cannot modify the phone being in the Insights program, I cannot side load the program. I have a Nexus 6 for real fun, this phone is just my meh phone compared to the Nexus 6.
Also, the guy I deal with at the Samsung Experience probably knows more about android phones than 95% of the users on here, he is an awesome dude. He actually helped me root my first free Note 3 from the Insights program and was able to keep Samsung from seeing it so I would not lose the phone. Samsung has got smart though with the program and can tell now.
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so if we are on PE6 what is the point of updating?
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If you're already on BPE6, there's nothing to update to. BPE6 is the build that's being offered OTA today to phones that are still on APE3.

Oreo

Do you think note 5 will get Android Oreo

Not likely, but anything is possible. We've hit the two upgrades that Samsung usually supports; Lollipop to Marshmallow to Nougat.

SuperSHO said:
Not likely, but anything is possible. We've hit the two upgrades that Samsung usually supports; Lollipop to Marshmallow to Nougat.
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Almost certainly correct. We haven't even gotten 7.1.1 but only 7.0......not complaining.....just being realistic.
My wish would be to get unlockable bootloader and ability to flash roms/custom kernels.

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Not likely
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Thread closed. AT&T just like any carrier is in the business of selling new phones, not supporting existing ones with firmware updates. This is affirmed by locking the bootloader, so we can root or sideload any unapproved firmware.
I'm jumping ship to the Note7 FE of 8 when it becomes more affordable. I have no complaints with my N920A other than a defective wacom digitizer (so my sPen doesn't work properly).

It SHOULD get Oreo. No reason why it can't handle Oreo

tech15 said:
It SHOULD get Oreo. No reason why it can't handle Oreo
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You need to understand that carriers only make money selling new devices, not making software updates for old ones.
The Note5 CAN run Oreo, but there is not revenue for AT&T to provide it. Your N920A has a locked bootloader. AT&T can now make money on you by forcing you to buy a newer phone since your device can't be updated unless through AT&T (with the locked bootlader).

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You need to understand that carriers only make money selling new devices, not making software updates for old ones.
The Note5 CAN run Oreo, but there is not revenue for AT&T to provide it. Your N920A has a locked bootloader. AT&T can now make money on you by forcing you to buy a newer phone since your device can't be updated unless through AT&T (with the locked bootlader).
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I think everyone understands that carriers are all about the money. However, it won't break their banks to provide an Oreo update and further security patches to AT&T customers. This is the least they can do it they won't unlock a bootloader. Not everyone can or wants to update to the newest phone. I can't afford a brand new PC laptop but at least the one I have (from 2011 mind you) is able to run Windows 10 and the latest security patches to go along with it. Can you imagine if Dell sold laptops and after two years said "sorry no more Windows updates. Please buy the newest model from our website" or if Microsoft only did updates for two years on all PCs?
Not everyone has cash to upgrade and some don't want to update. Those two year old phones should not be considered obsolete.
I wanted to add i have the t-mobile variant so my bootloader can be unlocked and I can root/flash a rom but I shouldn't have to. I should get Oreo. The phone is two years old and still capable. No excuse for Samsung not to support it one more year plus additional security patches. Also remember when that wanna cry virus went around earlier this year? Microsoft put out a patch for people still on XP. XP! That's circa early 2000s....just saying

tech15 said:
However, it won't break their banks to provide an Oreo update and further security patches to AT&T customers
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It does. AT&T loses revenue by YOU not shelling out big bucks for the lastest device. They already budgeted their annual profits for the year based on making a new sale to you (with a locked bootloader). Your point with Microsoft and Windows XP is valid only because XP users genuinely don't see the need to update (or can't afford to update obsolete hardware) and as such at that point it doesn't cost Microsoft anything else.
When a carrier bakes their bloatware in a ROM, there is a lot of time testing compatibility and all that stuff (kinda like R&D). For them to do this on a device where they already have your money, makes no incentive for them.
I also have a T-Mobile device with an unlocked bootloader along with my N920A. There is still not incentive for T-Mobile to roll-out Oreo until after they have sold out all the latest devices with Oreo as stock firmware
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tech15 said:
Can you imagine if Dell sold laptops and after two years said "sorry no more Windows updates. Please buy the newest model from our website" or if Microsoft only did updates for two years on all PCs?
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Apple does this with iPhones running iOS. Try getting the latest iOS to flash on the iPhone 2G/3G/3Gs/4/4s.
Try getting the latest version of Whatsapp or Facebook to run on any of the above mentioned devices (2G- 3Gs).
Apple devices have a limited Operating System shelf life, so that the end-user keeps having to buy a new device every 3 years (based on the trend I'm seeing).
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he phone is two years old and still capable. No excuse for Samsung not to support it one more year plus additional security patches
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Samsung is a member of the "Open Handset Alliance" what this means is that they are only OBLIGATED to support OS updates for the first 18 months from the initial release of the device. Since our phones are at least 2 years old, we should not expect to be getting Oreo just because the hardware can support it.
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I can't afford a brand new PC laptop but at least the one I have (from 2011 mind you) is able to run Windows 10 and the latest security patches to go along with it.
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You can't fairly compare Windows and Android.
Microsoft have to consider the diverse variety of hardware out there (intel vs AMD, NVidia vs ATI, etc) and as such have to be conservative with their required specifications and keep the coding very efficient. For this reason, Windows 10, does not require any more resources than Windows 7.
Google on the other hand, only need to think about Exynos vs. Qualcomm, and very few deviations. Samsung can make touchwiz as bloated as they want once they don't max out the 4GB RAM for our devices and can keep at least 2 background applications running smoothly (for multi-window)

Guess you have pretty solid points. I can understand that yes AT&T, T-Mobile etc are businesses and really care about the $. I guess my frustration comes from Samsung and carriers planned obsolescence. We all have a budget and if they're not going to update phones that are two years old then I'll keep my money and just go the root and ROM way until my Note 5 dies. I can't stand paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a phone that's yesterdays news just a year or two later. It really is ridiculous. Theyre about the money and I'm about my money.....so I'll choose to not buy the latest phone

Would we at least see 7.1?

I "feel" that too much time has passed for there to be hope for the N920A to see an official 7.1
We can anticipate another security update to cover the missing months (as released by Google/Samsung), but that might be about it since it wouldn't be in AT&T's best interest to continue supporting devices that they've (officially) stopped selling. Since your locked bootloader can't even take a port of 7.1 eventually you will be frustrated and buy a newer / latest device to continue getting these updates. This is my issue with Google and Android's fragmentation problem.
Edit: Look at it this way, at least you didn't get an iPhone with a hidden expiry date.

I had something to add: so from what I can gather it looks like Samsung phones basically have 2 years of updates before Samsung stops support. Are you telling me that the 2016 S7 will get support till just 2018 even though it could probably go further? All bootloader are locked at least in the United States anyway

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I had something to add: so from what I can gather it looks like Samsung phones basically have 2 years of updates before Samsung stops support.
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No. The "Open Handset Alliance" stipulates a minimum of 18 months. If Samsung chooses to go longer, then its Samsung's good news for the customer. It still doesn't matter for the N920A unless AT&T (the carrier) actually compiles the update (since it is a locked bootloader).
Remember: Google -> Phone manufacturer -> Carrier.
If Google doesn't produce, your phone manufacturer can't make anything for your model, and your carrier can't cook the signed bloatware for your locked bootloader device

Oh gotcha. Thank you for clarification ?

Aside from the not getting Oreo (no shock there), has anyone noticed we didn't get security updates for September 2017?
The last update I got brought my device a patch to the August 2017 security update. I think AT&T has finally pulled the plug and left us for dead.

Consider yourself a little luckier than me. I'm still on the July patch. T-mobile Note 5 here. No blueborne (Bluetooth patch) available yet. If AT&T or even t-mobile abandons our Notes then that's just sad. Seriously sad.

^^^Your phone is already abandoned. You just haven't been informed as yet. The most you can HOPE to get are security patches. The good news for your T-Mobile device is that you have an unlocked bootloader so you have root custom options unlike the N920A

Considering the Note 4 and S5 got security patches I would hope the Note 5 gets them. If not then I'd be better off with a Pixel...oops I don't have $800...

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...oops I don't have $800...
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That is unacceptable. The carriers need to make money from you buying a new FLAGSHIP device each year.
Your $800 does not belong to you, it belongs to your carrier. Now give them their money. :laugh:

Anonymously_Unknown said:
That is unacceptable. The carriers need to make money from you buying a new FLAGSHIP device each year.
Your $800 does not belong to you, it belongs to your carrier. Now give them their money. :laugh:
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???

LG V30 getting Oreo on Verizon

Tonight I got Android 8.0 Oreo on my LG V30 somehow. I guess LG and Verizon are rolling it out now. Only real differences I've noticed so far include a new settings app and some tweaks to the notifications pane. I wrote an article linked here which I'll be updating with more info when it comes in. https://thematridox.com/2018/03/07/lg-v30-now-receiving-android-8-0-oreo-on-verizon/
P.S. AMA

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Tonight I got Android 8.0 Oreo on my LG V30 somehow. I guess LG and Verizon are rolling it out now. Only real differences I've noticed so far include a new settings app and some tweaks to the notifications pane. I wrote an article linked here which I'll be updating with more info when it comes in. https://thematridox.com/2018/03/07/lg-v30-now-receiving-android-8-0-oreo-on-verizon/
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Great. Please share your experience with battery after couple of days.

oh, also see if you got any camera improvements. korean user reports that he/she got the AI software from the new V30

WaxysDargle said:
oh, also see if you got any camera improvements. korean user reports that he/she got the AI software from the new V30
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Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any AI camera features. Just standard stuff.

I'm on Verizon. Nothing yet.

Nothing here either.
Anyone else?
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I'm sure Android P will be out before I get it on AT&T.

islandfever2009 said:
I'm sure Android P will be out before I get it on AT&T.
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Just buy your phone without credit disguised at an operator, between the time they take to develop the update and bloatwares applications they integrate to their rom (through the boot screen with logo operators) I do not understand that people continue to buy their phone this way

coyot352 said:
Just buy your phone without credit disguised at an operator, between the time they take to develop the update and bloatwares applications they integrate to their rom (through the boot screen with logo operators) I do not understand that people continue to buy their phone this way
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I'm poor, and my Nexus 6's screen busted, so I needed something quick.

coyot352 said:
Just buy your phone without credit disguised at an operator, between the time they take to develop the update and bloatwares applications they integrate to their rom (through the boot screen with logo operators) I do not understand that people continue to buy their phone this way
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If you're referring to buying a factory unlocked version, that doesn't guarantee quicker updates. The US unlocked variant of the LG G5 was the absolute last one to get the Android M update. It seemed like LG didn't give much consideration to the factory unlocked version because that sold so few of them. The update finally came several months after everyone else.

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I'm poor, and my Nexus 6's screen busted, so I needed something quick.
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I am poor too, but in this case it is better to buy a credit shop, and complete with a package without commitment next, the operators are thieves ..
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If you're referring to buying a factory unlocked version, that doesn't guarantee quicker updates. The US unlocked variant of the LG G5 was the absolute last one to get the Android M update. It seemed like LG didn't give much consideration to the factory unlocked version because that sold so few of them. The update finally came several months after everyone else.
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This is rarely the case, although it is true that I read on forums that it happened on some device with some operators in my country (France)
the reverse is more often the case

oreo is updating itself on my v30. vz, orange county, ca.

Mi e started downloading the Oreo update about 10 minutes ago. Also in Orange County CA.

Downloading now. PA

couple of things. it didn't screw up my lg package installer. and no AI thingy on the camera. seem standard old oreo 8 year ago release.

Still can't get into the secret menus, and no change to the charging messages, but that's probably a something Verizon controls.

After the update, I get a constant notification that "Exchange is using battery". I don't see that app listed in my settings> apps and notifications. Not sure where it came from.

Strange... Exchange is part of Microsoft email server group. Do you have something like that installed?

Does it support OMS rootless Substratum!?

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Strange... Exchange is part of Microsoft email server group. Do you have something like that installed?
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No. I have nothing Microsoft. I can turn the notification off, but wonder why I'm getting it to begin with. The weird thing is when I tap the notification I can disable the app I don't have.
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Does it support OMS rootless Substratum!?
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How could you tell?

where's out android X beta note10+ ?

i read s10 is already getting android 10 beta.

netnerd said:
i read s10 is already getting android 10 beta.
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This has been discussed several times. It's always been this way. The S series gets the beta first. Then the Note series will get it approximately a week later, give or take. Be patient. The beta has been out for less than three days.

Do you need to sign up to receive it or is it available to download on the dating site?

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Do you need to sign up to receive it or is it available to download on the dating site?
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Is this a note 10 only dating site? Samsung only? Or just Android only? ?

[emoji1787][emoji23]this guy[emoji3516]
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Is this a note 10 only dating site? Samsung only? Or just Android only?
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You'll never be lonely, on Farmersonly.com
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Do you need to sign up to receive it or is it available to download on the dating site?
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On the dating site, you just swipe right on the beta's profile. Then if the beta swipes right on your profile, its a match!

All jokes aside, even if you don't sign up for the beta program, some good souls will rip it from their phone and share it here as an update file. Then all you have to do is flash it to your phone via the stock recovery menu. (knox won't trip)

They actually had a preview of it on YouTube the Samsung channel. If you go to Sammobile you can find it. Reviewer was not very impressed as he was using it. Even stated at one point "you can do this like on iPhone " if remember correctly, it was something to do with home screen. There were other things that he said was a waste of time and easier way then what's been added. I know I know its beta but wasn't impressed so far.
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