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I haven't seen this posted anywhere yet, and yes, I know there's another thread about the "confirmed" Dec update from a top dev but I figured this is worthy of its own thread. Sounds like the update might only be for the GSM versions of the phone, and we might have to wait for our specific Epic Touch update, but things must be close at this point.
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/11/26/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-android-236-update/
Go figure....
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Well what this proves that Samsung isn't the ones holding back the updates so people need to stop putting the blame on them and start looking at Sprint!
[email protected] said:
Well what this proves that Samsung isn't the ones holding back the updates so people need to stop putting the blame on them and start looking at Sprint!
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Indeed my friend.
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Carriers hold back updates??? They would never do such thing.
I know some updates the carrier has to purchase from the manufacturer and some are free. I don't quite understand where the dividing line is but having to pay for an update would surely slow down a carrier's intention of pushing an update.
Warning about updates
People:
Operating systems are complicated programs.
Whether it's for a desktop PC or a smartphone
there will ALWAYS be bugs. Some bugs only
appear under circumstances that can't be tested
by the manufacturer or service providers. Some bugs
only appear when combined with other applications.
Just know these FACTS:
Manufacturers and service providers aim to make $$$.
They DO NOT make more $$$ when customers are unhappy
and they must provide additional support and services.
Updates and patches will also have bugs.
Custom ROMs will also have bugs.
EVERY new gadget, car or appliance we buy during our lives
WILL HAVE BUGS !
Please accept these words of experience from someone who
has been a gadgetaholic since taking apart a vacuum tube radio
55 YEARS AGO.
Instead of frowning, STOP and look at what we have today
and all the things we can do, that were comic book fantasies
only a short time ago. ENJOY what we have now.
Marvel at what we'll likely be able to do 5 or 10 years from now.
Glenn
P.S. Samsung released Android 3.2 update for my Galaxy Tab 8.9
this past week. Although it fimproved a few things, it also slowed
down my device. My results were confirmed by a dev on XDA who
built one of the custom ROMS for the 8.9 Tab. POINT IS and as
aforementioned, Samsung is trying. Same applies to Sprint and
our E4GT.
so when they do release this for our phones, will i need to unroot to install it? or can someone make a side load for it so we don't have to? any idea?
ogeretla said:
so when they do release this for our phones, will i need to unroot to install it? or can someone make a side load for it so we don't have to? any idea?
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Can't wait hah
i hope sprint drops ics first and all you people *****ing about no updates can be quiet for once.
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ogeretla said:
so when they do release this for our phones, will i need to unroot to install it? or can someone make a side load for it so we don't have to? any idea?
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This confuses me that people unroot to root again for updates. As long as I have been a part of forums any new updates always come out in a rooted version or a Rom upgrade. We got to do better reading and understanding of what we are doing when we root our phones. This is not a dig directed at you but the million times I hear somebody ask that same question. Smdh
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weltwon said:
People:
Operating systems are complicated programs.
Whether it's for a desktop PC or a smartphone
there will ALWAYS be bugs. Some bugs only
appear under circumstances that can't be tested
by the manufacturer or service providers. Some bugs
only appear when combined with other applications.
Just know these FACTS:
Manufacturers and service providers aim to make $$$.
They DO NOT make more $$$ when customers are unhappy
and they must provide additional support and services.
Updates and patches will also have bugs.
Custom ROMs will also have bugs.
EVERY new gadget, car or appliance we buy during our lives
WILL HAVE BUGS !
Please accept these words of experience from someone who
has been a gadgetaholic since taking apart a vacuum tube radio
55 YEARS AGO.
Instead of frowning, STOP and look at what we have today
and all the things we can do, that were comic book fantasies
only a short time ago. ENJOY what we have now.
Marvel at what we'll likely be able to do 5 or 10 years from now.
Glenn
P.S. Samsung released Android 3.2 update for my Galaxy Tab 8.9
this past week. Although it fimproved a few things, it also slowed
down my device. My results were confirmed by a dev on XDA who
built one of the custom ROMS for the 8.9 Tab. POINT IS and as
aforementioned, Samsung is trying. Same applies to Sprint and
our E4GT.
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Well said!!
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playya said:
This confuses me that people unroot to root again for updates. As long as I have been a part of forums any new updates always come out in a rooted version or a Rom upgrade. We got to do better reading and understanding of what we are doing when we root our phones. This is not a dig directed at you but the million times I hear somebody ask that same question. Smdh
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Amen brotha!
Once the first XDA user who knows what they're doing gets an update, it will be posted here so fast that many will find out about it here, not by getting it via OTA. They push them out over several days so most likely there will be a full stock tar to Odin before many of us get it.
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playya said:
This confuses me that people unroot to root again for updates. As long as I have been a part of forums any new updates always come out in a rooted version or a Rom upgrade. We got to do better reading and understanding of what we are doing when we root our phones. This is not a dig directed at you but the million times I hear somebody ask that same question. Smdh
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OK... Thanks.. I didn't know how it worked. This is my first rooted phone.
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[email protected] said:
Well what this proves that Samsung isn't the ones holding back the updates so people need to stop putting the blame on them and start looking at Sprint!
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What the..... ?
How...?
Because the international version is getting something first?
Okay.... the international version also came out first.
The international versions of Samsung devices always get it first.
Samsung has proven time and time again that they are more concerned about the international market than they are the U.S.
It's funny how quickly people forget about history when trying to assign blame.
It's like XDA members live their lives to blame the carriers for everything.
Dammit, it's raining and cold out side, stupid Sprint!
It does make me wonder why AT&Ts Skyrocket just got 2.3.6 pushed to it on 11/22 though, which was released almost 2 months after Sprint's E4GT. Then again, why the Skyrocket and not AT&T's non-LTE GSII? Who knows why these guys do what they do.
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It does make me wonder why AT&Ts Skyrocket just got 2.3.6 pushed to it on 11/22 though, which was released almost 2 months after Sprint's E4GT. Then again, why the Skyrocket and not AT&T's non-LTE GSII? Who knows why these guys do what they do.
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It's GSM.
There's very little, if any difference, between the international version of the SGS2 and the At&t version.
People also seem to forget that the Moment got Froyo before the Hero did.
looks like were getting the 2.3.6 update aswell!
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looks like where getting the 2.3.6 update aswell!
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Given Samsung's spotty support for CDMA devices, I'd rather they spend time on ICS.
We should be getting a update tonight or tomorrow.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362744
One member got a update pushed to their phone but has to wait till after class so the devs can work their magic. Its android 2.3.6
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Hey guys. Just got my new company phone after my skyrocket shattered. Can't stand the LG ui ... I want to root. My phone us owned by at&t..as an employee am I at risk to root you think? I'm familiar with root just not sure if it's risky since this phone isn't mine technically
If you know what you're doing and can back up everything for restoral later (CWM can help with this, of course), I don't see why you'd get in trouble for playing with your company phone. Just don't create more work than necessary for support techs and you should be fine lol. Also, you probably don't want to flaunt crazy customizations to your coworkers
Or you could always use Go Launcher Ex and other Go products
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Ya I'm using adw right now with go locker. Still doesn't help me with the LG ui in every core app as well as the nasty notification icons. Any suggestions on how I can get those looking a little better?
As for rooting..I asked a coworker. He said I'd get fired Haha. Not sure how they would ever find out..
AT&T are parasitic leeches, they will find out. Trust me. They monitor the phones. I'd buy a Nitro off contract with a clean ESN and load it onto your account, that way you can say that it's your phone.
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BUT, I would not risk getting fired. Try using a personal AT&T account.
Ya I'm gonna get a personal account when my sprint contract runs out. Anything I can do for notification icons? Or how hideous LG makes everything
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Ya I'm gonna get a personal account when my sprint contract runs out. Anything I can do for notification icons? Or how hideous LG makes everything
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No not yet as there is NO roms or ASOP stuff out for it yet. So rooting or not rooting ur still gonna have it
FWIW, I've worked for At&t for a year and a half, and I've rooted every phone I've had. They can't tell when your phone is rooted; I even have a couple coworkers that have flashed MIUI on their GSIIs.
deedscreen said:
AT&T are parasitic leeches, they will find out. Trust me. They monitor the phones. I'd buy a Nitro off contract with a clean ESN and load it onto your account, that way you can say that it's your phone.
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BUT, I would not risk getting fired. Try using a personal AT&T account.
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Where do you come off with saying that AT&T will find out if your phone is rooted? Firstly, u don't seem to be on AT&T but instead on Sprint. Second, there won't be hundreds of forums dedicated to AT&T android phones if AT&T knows immediately if you root the phone. Third, millions of users Root their phones, and even unlock the bootloader. I just sent my unlocked Atrix back to AT&T due a damaged 3.5mm port, and they didn't even say anything. So please do not provide false information to those who wish to know.
Oh now I'm tempted.. thanks for letting me know. What are the advantages without custom roms? And did you Work retail or does that even matter. And is there a recovery image just in case?
mic.mayorga said:
Oh now I'm tempted.. thanks for letting me know. What are the advantages without custom roms? And did you Work retail or does that even matter. And is there a recovery image just in case?
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There is a recoverory image I think. BUT theres nothing for us to REALLY do to our phones yet. no roms or anything
it seems to me that since you came here inquiring about the risk to your job, that there is indeed some % of chance that you could lose your job over rooting your phone, is that fair to say?
if that's fair to say, I think this is not the best place to seek job security advice + the answer seems obvious.
Ya its not worth my job. I'll just wait for my personal phone in a few months. Thanks for the help guys. That Guy who said he roots all his COUs got me thinking though
So, I've been rooting since my days with the Dinc. I've got a Vzw Gnex, that I had rooted as soon as I got it. I then unrooted and relocked to upgrade to 4.1.1. I've thought about re-rooting, but I'm pretty damn happy with stock. But, I want 4.2. I'm willing to wait, if Vzw is going to release an official build, but I haven't heard anything.
Has anyone heard of or seen anything about Vzw's plans for releasing a 4.2 build?
Thanks!
Srsly?
You live in the real world right? Isn't rooting a kid's thing these days?
Come back Nov 15th.
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OP the VZW Gnex will probably eventually see 4.2 officially, but no one knows, and no one will know until it is available (or until it leaks), which wont be any time real soon. If you want 4.2 sooner rather than later, then you will have to go custom.
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Isn't rooting a kid's thing these days?
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Only if kids are the only ones interested in getting the most out of their devices.
Thanks, WiredPirate.
bk201doesntexist, I don't understand. Are you saying that rooting is a kid's thing because it's easy? Yes, I know, I root my phones all the time. I just happen to not be rooted right now. Or, are you saying that rooting is a kid's thing be cause it's SOOO last year? If so, what's the cool thing that you're into. Either way, stop being a ****.
IMO, the whole point of any Nexus phones are its root-ability and leverage the strength of the dev community. Otherwise you are better off with a GS3 or HTC One.
Lol. What i really meant was "is it really that hard to browse the web a little bit, any android fansite, to know the current standpoint?"
And the title of the thread? That alone was enough to make post like that. Think what you want of me. And rooting is dead easy on this device, i know it, you know it. And i'm well aware that "rooting" is for people who want to get the most out of their phones... in some cases. Others just think they need "to get the most out of their phones".
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wunderkind said:
IMO, the whole point of any Nexus phones are its root-ability and leverage the strength of the dev community. Otherwise you are better off with a GS3 or HTC One.
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Also the GNEX gets the updates first..
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shmengie said:
So, I've been rooting since my days with the Dinc. I've got a Vzw Gnex, that I had rooted as soon as I got it. I then unrooted and relocked to upgrade to 4.1.1. I've thought about re-rooting, but I'm pretty damn happy with stock. But, I want 4.2. I'm willing to wait, if Vzw is going to release an official build, but I haven't heard anything.
Has anyone heard of or seen anything about Vzw's plans for releasing a 4.2 build?
Thanks!
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This is the first phone that i didnt have to root.. stock is awsome and dnt need any scripts/mods for the cpu or ram "no need to overclock or set the minfreekiller" im not sayin other people dont want or need that still.. im just sayin im happy
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The best part is you can root or unroot, lock or unlock your phone phone anytime you want. At the end of the day, it depends on how you use your phone. My guess is you wouldn't be posting on XDA if you weren't at least curious, so I say, go for it and have fun.
It was nice having a Galaxy S III, but I've had it with my poor battery performance and lack of software updates from AT&T. (Considering the Galaxy S IV gets updates while we don't even have multi-window yet, I'm beginning to think AT&T has dropped support for it already so customers upgrade.) I'm gonna end up getting the next Nexus phone.
By the time the next Nexus phone comes out, it'll be a gen and a half old. Are there any good buyback programs you are familiar with, or would ebay be the best? What do you think the value will be around the October/November timeframe?
Can.I.Haz.Jelly.Bean? said:
It was nice having a Galaxy S III, but I've had it with my poor battery performance and lack of software updates from AT&T. (Considering the Galaxy S IV gets updates while we don't even have multi-window yet, I'm beginning to think AT&T has dropped support for it already so customers upgrade.) I'm gonna end up getting the next Nexus phone.
By the time the next Nexus phone comes out, it'll be a gen and a half old. Are there any good buyback programs you are familiar with, or would ebay be the best? What do you think the value will be around the October/November timeframe?
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I would say craigslist, i have sold ALL my devices on craigslist and it works the best, and you get the most money, but you really have to have expierence or else you would get scammed. You could trade or sell you're s3 on craigslist. And you would gain, but you have to meet up. Its really good, but you just have to be well expiereced. Hit the thanks button if i helped. :good:
Can.I.Haz.Jelly.Bean? said:
It was nice having a Galaxy S III, but I've had it with my poor battery performance and lack of software updates from AT&T. (Considering the Galaxy S IV gets updates while we don't even have multi-window yet, I'm beginning to think AT&T has dropped support for it already so customers upgrade.) I'm gonna end up getting the next Nexus phone.
By the time the next Nexus phone comes out, it'll be a gen and a half old. Are there any good buyback programs you are familiar with, or would ebay be the best? What do you think the value will be around the October/November timeframe?
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This thread is going to be locked.
And I would go with swappa. Its free and doesn't allow junk devices. And At&t wouldn't drop support for this phone, it will probably get 4.3.
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First, yes it probably will be locked
Second, swappa is probably the best place to get a fair deal and amount for your phone
Third, with the way ATT handles updates we might, maybe, possibly see 4.2.2 made official on the I747. About the only way to see 4.3 will be through an aosp based Rom (CM,AOKP, etc).
Fourth, the S3 was put on the End Of Life list about the time the Note 2 was released.
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First, yes it probably will be locked
Second, swappa is probably the best place to get a fair deal and amount for your phone
Third, with the way ATT handles updates we might, maybe, possibly see 4.2.2 made official on the I747. About the only way to see 4.3 will be through an aosp based Rom (CM,AOKP, etc).
Fourth, the S3 was put on the End Of Life list about the time the Note 2 was released.
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As he said. Thread closed.
Just an FYI ATT generally EOL a device after about 6 months Max.
Wayne Tech Nexus
Do you think note 5 will get Android Oreo
Not likely, but anything is possible. We've hit the two upgrades that Samsung usually supports; Lollipop to Marshmallow to Nougat.
SuperSHO said:
Not likely, but anything is possible. We've hit the two upgrades that Samsung usually supports; Lollipop to Marshmallow to Nougat.
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Almost certainly correct. We haven't even gotten 7.1.1 but only 7.0......not complaining.....just being realistic.
My wish would be to get unlockable bootloader and ability to flash roms/custom kernels.
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Not likely
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Thread closed. AT&T just like any carrier is in the business of selling new phones, not supporting existing ones with firmware updates. This is affirmed by locking the bootloader, so we can root or sideload any unapproved firmware.
I'm jumping ship to the Note7 FE of 8 when it becomes more affordable. I have no complaints with my N920A other than a defective wacom digitizer (so my sPen doesn't work properly).
It SHOULD get Oreo. No reason why it can't handle Oreo
tech15 said:
It SHOULD get Oreo. No reason why it can't handle Oreo
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You need to understand that carriers only make money selling new devices, not making software updates for old ones.
The Note5 CAN run Oreo, but there is not revenue for AT&T to provide it. Your N920A has a locked bootloader. AT&T can now make money on you by forcing you to buy a newer phone since your device can't be updated unless through AT&T (with the locked bootlader).
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You need to understand that carriers only make money selling new devices, not making software updates for old ones.
The Note5 CAN run Oreo, but there is not revenue for AT&T to provide it. Your N920A has a locked bootloader. AT&T can now make money on you by forcing you to buy a newer phone since your device can't be updated unless through AT&T (with the locked bootlader).
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I think everyone understands that carriers are all about the money. However, it won't break their banks to provide an Oreo update and further security patches to AT&T customers. This is the least they can do it they won't unlock a bootloader. Not everyone can or wants to update to the newest phone. I can't afford a brand new PC laptop but at least the one I have (from 2011 mind you) is able to run Windows 10 and the latest security patches to go along with it. Can you imagine if Dell sold laptops and after two years said "sorry no more Windows updates. Please buy the newest model from our website" or if Microsoft only did updates for two years on all PCs?
Not everyone has cash to upgrade and some don't want to update. Those two year old phones should not be considered obsolete.
I wanted to add i have the t-mobile variant so my bootloader can be unlocked and I can root/flash a rom but I shouldn't have to. I should get Oreo. The phone is two years old and still capable. No excuse for Samsung not to support it one more year plus additional security patches. Also remember when that wanna cry virus went around earlier this year? Microsoft put out a patch for people still on XP. XP! That's circa early 2000s....just saying
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However, it won't break their banks to provide an Oreo update and further security patches to AT&T customers
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It does. AT&T loses revenue by YOU not shelling out big bucks for the lastest device. They already budgeted their annual profits for the year based on making a new sale to you (with a locked bootloader). Your point with Microsoft and Windows XP is valid only because XP users genuinely don't see the need to update (or can't afford to update obsolete hardware) and as such at that point it doesn't cost Microsoft anything else.
When a carrier bakes their bloatware in a ROM, there is a lot of time testing compatibility and all that stuff (kinda like R&D). For them to do this on a device where they already have your money, makes no incentive for them.
I also have a T-Mobile device with an unlocked bootloader along with my N920A. There is still not incentive for T-Mobile to roll-out Oreo until after they have sold out all the latest devices with Oreo as stock firmware
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tech15 said:
Can you imagine if Dell sold laptops and after two years said "sorry no more Windows updates. Please buy the newest model from our website" or if Microsoft only did updates for two years on all PCs?
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Apple does this with iPhones running iOS. Try getting the latest iOS to flash on the iPhone 2G/3G/3Gs/4/4s.
Try getting the latest version of Whatsapp or Facebook to run on any of the above mentioned devices (2G- 3Gs).
Apple devices have a limited Operating System shelf life, so that the end-user keeps having to buy a new device every 3 years (based on the trend I'm seeing).
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tech15 said:
he phone is two years old and still capable. No excuse for Samsung not to support it one more year plus additional security patches
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Samsung is a member of the "Open Handset Alliance" what this means is that they are only OBLIGATED to support OS updates for the first 18 months from the initial release of the device. Since our phones are at least 2 years old, we should not expect to be getting Oreo just because the hardware can support it.
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tech15 said:
I can't afford a brand new PC laptop but at least the one I have (from 2011 mind you) is able to run Windows 10 and the latest security patches to go along with it.
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You can't fairly compare Windows and Android.
Microsoft have to consider the diverse variety of hardware out there (intel vs AMD, NVidia vs ATI, etc) and as such have to be conservative with their required specifications and keep the coding very efficient. For this reason, Windows 10, does not require any more resources than Windows 7.
Google on the other hand, only need to think about Exynos vs. Qualcomm, and very few deviations. Samsung can make touchwiz as bloated as they want once they don't max out the 4GB RAM for our devices and can keep at least 2 background applications running smoothly (for multi-window)
Guess you have pretty solid points. I can understand that yes AT&T, T-Mobile etc are businesses and really care about the $. I guess my frustration comes from Samsung and carriers planned obsolescence. We all have a budget and if they're not going to update phones that are two years old then I'll keep my money and just go the root and ROM way until my Note 5 dies. I can't stand paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a phone that's yesterdays news just a year or two later. It really is ridiculous. Theyre about the money and I'm about my money.....so I'll choose to not buy the latest phone
Would we at least see 7.1?
I "feel" that too much time has passed for there to be hope for the N920A to see an official 7.1
We can anticipate another security update to cover the missing months (as released by Google/Samsung), but that might be about it since it wouldn't be in AT&T's best interest to continue supporting devices that they've (officially) stopped selling. Since your locked bootloader can't even take a port of 7.1 eventually you will be frustrated and buy a newer / latest device to continue getting these updates. This is my issue with Google and Android's fragmentation problem.
Edit: Look at it this way, at least you didn't get an iPhone with a hidden expiry date.
I had something to add: so from what I can gather it looks like Samsung phones basically have 2 years of updates before Samsung stops support. Are you telling me that the 2016 S7 will get support till just 2018 even though it could probably go further? All bootloader are locked at least in the United States anyway
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I had something to add: so from what I can gather it looks like Samsung phones basically have 2 years of updates before Samsung stops support.
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No. The "Open Handset Alliance" stipulates a minimum of 18 months. If Samsung chooses to go longer, then its Samsung's good news for the customer. It still doesn't matter for the N920A unless AT&T (the carrier) actually compiles the update (since it is a locked bootloader).
Remember: Google -> Phone manufacturer -> Carrier.
If Google doesn't produce, your phone manufacturer can't make anything for your model, and your carrier can't cook the signed bloatware for your locked bootloader device
Oh gotcha. Thank you for clarification ?
Aside from the not getting Oreo (no shock there), has anyone noticed we didn't get security updates for September 2017?
The last update I got brought my device a patch to the August 2017 security update. I think AT&T has finally pulled the plug and left us for dead.
Consider yourself a little luckier than me. I'm still on the July patch. T-mobile Note 5 here. No blueborne (Bluetooth patch) available yet. If AT&T or even t-mobile abandons our Notes then that's just sad. Seriously sad.
^^^Your phone is already abandoned. You just haven't been informed as yet. The most you can HOPE to get are security patches. The good news for your T-Mobile device is that you have an unlocked bootloader so you have root custom options unlike the N920A
Considering the Note 4 and S5 got security patches I would hope the Note 5 gets them. If not then I'd be better off with a Pixel...oops I don't have $800...
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...oops I don't have $800...
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That is unacceptable. The carriers need to make money from you buying a new FLAGSHIP device each year.
Your $800 does not belong to you, it belongs to your carrier. Now give them their money. :laugh:
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That is unacceptable. The carriers need to make money from you buying a new FLAGSHIP device each year.
Your $800 does not belong to you, it belongs to your carrier. Now give them their money. :laugh:
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???