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Official ICS FROM SAMSUNG to hit march 15

Engadget has an article reporting Ics for our phones to hit march 15th ....time will tell
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Yes it will, that should mean an official leak within hours....LOL

D_A_M_A_G_E said:
Engadget has an article reporting Ics for our phones to hit march 15th ....time will tell
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/05/samsung-galaxy-sii-getting-ics-upgrade-march-15th/
If your talking about this article, then you might notice that this is not really talking about our phone. Not trolling, really just saying.

It's a general post about the Galaxy S II. Odds are high that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Epic 4G Touch, but nothing in the post deliberately excludes 'our device'.

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It's a general post about the Galaxy S II. Odds are high that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Epic 4G Touch, but nothing in the post deliberately excludes 'our device'.
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Yes it does it clearly states Israeli devices/carriers/country
Unless they also have a sprint cdma sgs2 :rollyeyes:

I'm very surprised by this, I was expecting Samsung to repeat their old ways and push updates out ~6 months or so after Europe updates hit OTA. I'm very glad I went with Sprint's SGSII because so far, I believe it's had the most official development support (out of the US varients). My cousin's SGSII who is on AT&T still has the soundpool bug. Ha!

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Yes it does it clearly states Israeli devices/carriers/country
Unless they also have a sprint cdma sgs2 :rollyeyes:
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Semantics, bro.

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Semantics, bro.
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We can only hope but my ballpark guess would be April for our ics "love"
Unless sprint does their "marketing technique" which could mean they will hold off on updating their older devices until the "new new" drops
That is the fear in the 3d forums but hey its all rumors till it hits a phone/device

My one concern is that Sprint will hold off any official ICS updates until they drop the galaxy nexus. They want to make a big splash with it being their first LTE phone & may want to be able to push that it has ICS as well.

jnhelman said:
My one concern is that Sprint will hold off any official ICS updates until they drop the galaxy nexus. They want to make a big splash with it being their first LTE phone & may want to be able to push that it has ICS as well.
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Yup that may happen.. And is a fear... But by the end of march possibly April we will have a stable cm9/miui4/aokp... (there all really good right now with exceptions to the things people consider a "must" in a DD)
I have lost faith in "OTA" updates back when I had my vibrant/hd2
3rd party Developers are my "OTA" and I have more faith in them than manufacturers/carriers...
Think about all the people who rely on OTA's and never root or flash their dsvices.... Have mercy on their poor souls

Bear gri11z said:
Yup that may happen.. And is a fear... But by the end of march possibly April we will have a stable cm9/miui4/aokp... (there all really good right now with exceptions to the things people consider a "must" in a DD)
I have lost faith in "OTA" updates back when I had my vibrant/hd2
3rd party Developers are my "OTA" and I have more faith in them than manufacturers/carriers...
Think about all the people who rely on OTA's and never root or flash their dsvices.... Have mercy on their poor souls
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Could not agree more, only plus is official releases tend to lead to more stable 3rd party goodness

There is one thing though they have a good angle to sell new phones. There new phones will be lte not wimax. So they can upgrade these because there 3g blows and people will still get lte phones

Most likely this will be for the Interntional version, Since they had builds way before us meaning that they had more time to work on the interntional version than the CDMA version.
Plus its no "Middle man" in between the interntaional version.. aka a carrier having to approve the update before pushing it out.. its some carriers out there.. but their not as controling as ours..
With all these leaks not like your going to be running the stock ICS rom anyway. plus it will get leak before it even become a OTA as always. till then you have many leaks to play with

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Could not agree more, only plus is official releases tend to lead to more stable 3rd party goodness
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The source code that has to be released beside the official release is responsible for that. Not the build itself.
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Bear gri11z said:
Yup that may happen.. And is a fear... But by the end of march possibly April we will have a stable cm9/miui4/aokp... (there all really good right now with exceptions to the things people consider a "must" in a DD)
I have lost faith in "OTA" updates back when I had my vibrant/hd2
3rd party Developers are my "OTA" and I have more faith in them than manufacturers/carriers...
Think about all the people who rely on OTA's and never root or flash their dsvices.... Have mercy on their poor souls
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I totally agree with you... I Have FB21, I am happy with it... But I will always Flash something new.... I am here on the forums several times a day... Always something new to see, do, flash.... Thanks to all the devs and peeps....

March 10 now.

nonstop14 said:
March 10 now.
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it's official as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-ics/
Samsung released their press release that the global variant of the Galaxy S II will receive ICS on March 10th.
Which means ..... hopefully ..... source with it ?

Hehehe... funny this topic again...
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With all the recent leaks and the speed they are getting released I don't think our time is too far off from this date.
Samsung is locked in a war with a certain fruity company and preparing to launch an offensive in the coming months.... Win for us.

kasper19 said:
it's official as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-ics/
Samsung released their press release that the global variant of the Galaxy S II will receive ICS on March 10th.
Which means ..... hopefully ..... source with it ?
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I'm more interested in when the update will come for our phone

Why am I waiting on VZW?

Why am I waiting on VZW for 4.0.4? I understood (or misunderstood) the Nexus line to get their updates directly from Google. This played a significant role in my decision to go with the Galaxy Nexus. So, what changed? I'm sure the Nexus One got updates direct from Google...didn't it? Also, I noticed a couple VZW branded uninstallable apps preloaded on it...why is there ANYTHING non-Google preloaded if it's "Pure Google?"
Man, I must have misunderstood something.

Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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miketoasty said:
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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+1. Root it & put 4.0.4 on it yourself. Eff vzw.
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There wasn't a CDMA Nexus One, so yes it got its updates from Google.
This is actually nothing new, nothing has changed. Its been the exact same with the NS4G on Sprint. Verizon has closed-source radio code that they have to add themselves and test before sending it out. THAT is why you're waiting for Verizon.
As for the apps, just disable them and stop crying. Its the same deal, if a phone is gonna be on Verizon it's gonna have those apps.
If it bothers you that bad, buy a GSM model.
This has been argued/explained at length in many threads, blogs, podcasts and posts.

CDMA Nexii are slightly different. They get updates sent from Google to the carriers(ie Sprint and Verizon). GSM Nexii on the other hand, get updates directly from Google. It was known for a while now that this was the case, which means you didn't do your research.
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miketoasty said:
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.

vash1053 said:
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.

vash1053 said:
Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.

blowtorch said:
Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.

zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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what you stated here and was really my trying point is that veriosn needs to approve the software including the 2 to 3 apps and radios before the push to users ... i don't think anyone can deny that verison's version isn't true nexus
the only real nexus's are the Yakju/Takju builds ... which any gsm version could be converted to

zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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They are updating what binaries they can provide, so don't be so sure they won't be updating images. Your definition of a true Nexus and mine differ.

VZW Galaxy Nexus still gets updates directly from Google. It just has to be put under review/testing from Verizon before it gets pushed.
Plus, who actually depends on the OTA? You're on XDA after all.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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The radios are handled by Qualcomm/Verizon. It's a "true" nexus device. It meets all the criteria. Just because it gets a .0.1 revision update a week later (or whatever it was) doesn't mean ****. Seriously? Gonna cry of a couple small bug fixes? As to the CDMA binaries not being available, talk to Qualcomm, they made most of the binaries/radios.

You may not have to wait much longer. Vzw started to push 4.0.4 (Imm76K) last week.
It's in the Vzw Dev forum if you don't want to wait and don't mind unlocking and rooting

You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.

No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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meganame said:
You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.
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No need to meet harshness with harshness.
Its obvious you're upset about this whole thing or you wouldn't have created a thread about it. You need to just decide what's important to you, read up on it, and if you find you don't want to "wait for Verizon" then I'll tell you again to buy a GSM model.

keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Ah, well those words conveyed it better.

keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.

martonikaj said:
Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.
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Its true.
They should really stress the fact that XDA is a development site and not Verizon support forums.
Seriously though, you came on XDA and posted this thread. You could've rooted, unlocked, and flashed 4.0.4 by now.
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martonikaj said:
Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.
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Apple most definitely has leverage over carriers. If they didn't, you'd see bloatware on subsidized iPhones & updates being pushed at different times. Leaks don't matter because Apple makes their beta iOS builds readily available to those enrolled in the iOS development program.
A lot of fandroids don't want to admit that there ARE benefits to being a control freak, especially when you're one of the richest and most famous companies in the entire world. Apple doesn't order VZW around, but you can be damn sure that VZW doesn't order Apple around either. VZW telling Apple what changes they want made to the OS? LOL, not going to happen.

No official JB update until 2013! samsung did it again!

so this has been a terrible issue with samsung since the galaxy s 1 days... im sick and tired of slow updates.. whats your thoughts on this ? will it change your mind on what phone to get next?
http://www.androidauthority.com/u-s-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-update-released-coming-months-123557/

HRodMusic said:
so this has been a terrible issue with samsung since the galaxy s 1 days... im sick and tired of slow updates.. whats your thoughts on this ? will it change your mind on what phone to get next?
http://www.androidauthority.com/u-s-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-update-released-coming-months-123557/
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IMO, It really doesn't matter! I have used JB and ICS on my phone, and other than Google Now, I don't see the need to update to JB.
I look at it like this... the standard consumer is not rooted. The OEM and carrier have to smooth out bugs, and make the transition from ICS -> JB a seemless integration. This makes for a better customer experience.
Thats the business man... why release a sub par product and have thousands of support tickets for small minor issues.
From your sig, you're running JB already.

Pretty depressing if you ask me. God if the new nexus phone wasn't being made by LG I'd probably be all over that thing at this point.
It will have 4.2 before we even get 4.1
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Telus' S3 will get JB before the end of November, so I'm thinking we should be very close by.

Full application of project butter in an official release of jb will be worth it. Only reason my nexus is still stock is that the only rom on the s3 that comes close to matching its fluidity, for me at least, is tasks aokp. It's night, and day. Slow rollouts of software are just one of those burdens of this era in development. Fortunately, the software is beginning to be more, and more worth it. Someday you'll lecture your grandkids on how we didn't have all this fancy "cognitive request firmware updates, and 5tb/second data speeds" lol
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jbizz said:
IMO, It really doesn't matter! I have used JB and ICS on my phone, and other than Google Now, I don't see the need to update to JB.
I look at it like this... the standard consumer is not rooted. The OEM and carrier have to smooth out bugs, and make the transition from ICS -> JB a seemless integration. This makes for a better customer experience.
Thats the business man... why release a sub par product and have thousands of support tickets for small minor issues.
From your sig, you're running JB already.
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i get what you mean man, but its seriously been 5 months, dont you think we could of had an updated by then? how long does it really take to release an update..

HRodMusic said:
i get what you mean man, but its seriously been 5 months, dont you think we could of had an updated by then? how long does it really take to release an update..
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*shrugs* there was an update from 4.0.2 to 4.0.4
I know what you're saying tho... I always look at devs like the CM team who have already put out updates way before the OEM and think... how come a billion dollar company is so slow?
I wish carriers would allow users to do soak tests and **** before release to send bug reports and stuff.
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Stupid app take out my cuss word! Hah!!!
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By the time we even get Android 4.1, Android 4.2 will already be out in the market.

First, 4.2 will not be key lime pie.
Second, its not Samsungs fault, its the carriers.

And being the carriers fault - you have to wonder. Do they each only have like 2 people working on the Updates...or wtf. lol

jbizz said:
I know what you're saying tho... I always look at devs like the CM team who have already put out updates way before the OEM and think... how come a billion dollar company is so slow?
I wish carriers would allow users to do soak tests and **** before release to send bug reports and stuff.
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Because when there is a bug in CM, they can go *shrug*, we'll add it to the known issues list, like the bluetooth audio not working right. When there is a bug in a carrier supplied ROM, think of all the people that are going to want to call AT&T and be like 'Hey this isn't working, FIX IT!'. That costs money to pay the customer service people and it costs money from a PR point of view.
The carriers strive to make things as bug free as possible (which, is laughable considering some of the updates some carriers have pushed out, or even the state of a phone at release *cough*G2x*cough*). If they don't do super extensive testing on everything BEFORE the release, they're going to have to do the same testing AFTER the release, but after it costs them money in customer service and PR image.

It sucks that another manufacturer/carrier is delaying the update. Do we buy a phone on the promise/hope we will see the next update? I don't. "Why am I not getting update XX" seems to be a common complaint. I came from the Atrix 2. Motorola promissed ICS and an unlockable bootloader. The phone is now borderline if not already end of life with At&t and is just getting the ICS update and still a locked bootloader. I bought my GSIII with the thought "cool I will get JB" but didn't care when. With all of the leaks available, if you want JB, you can get it. Seeing some of the bugs in the leaks, do you really want that to be your update? If you got the update and had these bugs, thered posts of "how could they release this buggy version?" Don't get me wrong, I would like to see manufactures and carriers stand by their word, but I realize there are more important things to worry about than why my update is delayed or not getting it. If you want a phone that guarantees you'll see an update, get a ,cough cough, Iphone. Not all features may work but hey, you'll get your update. My one and a half cents and a THANKS to the hard working devs that bring us these leaks and roms (FOR FREE) to satisfy our need to update. YOU GUYS ROCK!

This phone is awesome straight out of the box. I'm just a flash junkie and I love new shiny stuff. I wonder if there's a support group for flash addicts?

I dont understand why carriers have to tweak the software when samsung already does it. I dont think carriers change the software that much that it takes so long. Someone please enlighten me
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jmacdonald19 said:
This phone is awesome straight out of the box. I'm just a flash junkie and I love new shiny stuff. I wonder if there's a support group for flash addicts?
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Lol
I'm sure a huge population ate xda are
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viking2.0 said:
I dont understand why carriers have to tweak the software when samsung already does it. I dont think carriers change the software that much that it takes so long. Someone please enlighten me
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Its not the OS they are changing, it takes them this long to make their BS bloatware work.

dntesinfrno said:
Its not the OS they are changing, it takes them this long to make their BS bloatware work.
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Well and doing carrier certification. I think that's more of what ends up taking a long time than updating any carrier add-on software.

Sprint is receiving their OTA to JB starting today. So I'm sure we're not too far behind.
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this sucks but never a problem with custom roms and Samsung is the easiest to update.

I'm new to Android, so maybe that makes me naive. But, I'd like to bring up a few points:
1) How do you know JB for the AT&T GS3 is delayed until 2013? No one has given a release date. Heck, it might be 2014 or 2015. It's misleading to post a title like that.
2) "Coming months:" this ambiguity goes both ways. Sprint released their GS3 JB OTA update today.
3) AT&T is taking long to update their bloatware?! There are three stupid apps: AT&T Hotspots, AT&T Messages, and AT&T Navigator. AND AT&T's already released the Note 2, which comes with Jelly Bean. Thus, these apps have already been updated to work with Jelly Bean!
The holdup on AT&T's part is something else...

Jelly Bean update! But not for us! :(

So the International unlocked version got their Jelly Bean update today. Man! Why doesn't Sammy hire some of these devs on here to speed up the freaking process!!
Edit: Sorry Sammy its not your fault its the freaking carriers!! Bastards!!! thanks Andy!
Edit again: OK Sammy im putting you back in the crap house!!! bastards!!! thanks intub8!
White Hot! GS3.

blame the carriers.

andy2na said:
blame the carriers.
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Its not Sammy...definitely the money grubbing carriers in the US...its pathetic

Oh I see thanks for sharing! Will change OP freaking carriers!!!! Lol.....
White Hot! GS3.

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Samsung is not innocent. Blame them also. Samsung can easily say no to the major carriers and push the update to us through kies. We will not get the update until 30-60 days after the next flagship device from att. All of the iphone update come directly from apple. The carriers have no say.
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Intub8 said:
Samsung is not innocent. Blame them also. Samsung can easily say no to the major carriers and push the update to us through kies. We will not get the update until 30-60 days after the next flagship device from att. All of the iphone update come directly from apple. The carriers have no say.
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Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
I honestly don't understand how Samsung, the biggest mobile phone producer in the world, allows carriers to call the shots. As you've mentioned, Apple doesn't allow the carriers to have any input in OS updates. Samsung has just as much clout - what's stopping them from doing the same?

kgbkny said:
Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
I honestly don't understand how Samsung, the biggest mobile phone producer in the world, allows carriers to call the shots. As you've mentioned, Apple doesn't allow the carriers to have any input in OS updates. Samsung has just as much clout - what's stopping them from doing the same?
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All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.

kgbkny said:
Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
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Three leaks? I haven't seen them for download anywhere.
This is getting ridiculous.

just use a custom rom!

scorpion667 said:
All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.
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And I suppose Apple doesn't care about profit margins?
In all honesty, I can't say I disagree. Apple pretty much gave the carriers the finger by strictly controlling what's included in the updates and their release timeline. My biggest frustration with Android is the complete lack of uniformity when it comes to keeping it up to date. With that being said, I would sooner switch to Windows than iOS.
With regards to custom ROMs....not really my thing anymore. There is always something that doesn't function properly, which is why I'd rather have the official release. I used to be a flashaholic when I had the Vibrant and the MT4G, even the Sensation (to some extent). Nowadays, I tend to favor the official releases, even if it's a leak.

scorpion667 said:
All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.
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Wut? Samsung has slimmer margins than Apple does. By a LONG shot.
Also, Apple doesn't let carriers control updates, but the carriers do significantly control what is going in to each update (primarily in terms of what features are enabled for use when). They still don't have a gold paved road.
That being said, I do wish Samsung would force the carriers to a better update schedule. I wouldn't care if it was consistently a month after the international version. That would be better than what we have now.

andy2na said:
blame the carriers.
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I spoke to an ATT rep on chat and they said that they were the ones holding up the release. Doesn't seem like they care what with the disabling of google wallet as well.

kgbkny said:
With regards to custom ROMs....not really my thing anymore. There is always something that doesn't function properly, which is why I'd rather have the official release. I used to be a flashaholic when I had the Vibrant and the MT4G, even the Sensation (to some extent). Nowadays, I tend to favor the official releases, even if it's a leak.
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I kinda agree as I did the same with my S1 i9000 : flashed ROMs and kernels onto it on a weekly basis for nearly 1½ year.
Now that I have my S3, I just don't feel like that anymore as I :
- Appreciate the quality and stability of Samsung's releases
- Enjoy using the best camera app there is
- Know that the phone will eventually be updated to an even better release
However, the day I'll be told by Samsung that my S3 will no longer be elligible to upgrades, just watch me go back to my custom ROMs flashing habits! héhéhé
As for the bloatware ... root and any decent file explorer can help you get rid of it!

I thought most people knew by now that only Official Google devices get (somewhat) prompt updates. I didn't buy my SIII based on what it was going to get, I bought it based on what it already had. IMO as long as they update the phone in a relatively timely manner (within 6 months I'd say) then I am content - even then I wouldn't be too upset. I would just flash something myself.

I do the same. Take official firmware and basically make my own custom rom.
That way I have control about what is and isnt done.
I root it..
remove bloatware myself with root explorer (after copying everything I am about to remove to my external sd for safe keeping)
keep copies of the build.prop, framework-res systemui etc.
I modify the systemui for my own icons etc.
Install other modes etc.
As for leaks the only leak I know off on AT&T based is LH1 which I am running.
I am not running the latest lh9 as lh1 has everything that lh9 has but doesnt have nfc screwed up so wallet still works with it.
I am running the lh9 modem.

By the time the S3 will become ineligible for updates, I will have moved on to my next phone. Back in 2011, Google set up an Android update alliance, where many manufacturers and U.S.-based carriers promised that new Android phones would receive timely OS updates for 18 months after launch. The only timely thing about this promise was the death of this alliance. After Jellybean, I give the S3 one more update before Samsung declares it non-upgradeable. It's unfortunate, but that's just the nature of the beast.
I'm well aware that only official Google devices (Nexus) get timely updates. This is the only reason why I held on to my Galaxy Nexus after buying the S3. I was well aware that it'll be a loooooooooong time before the S3 sees an update, so I kept the Nexus to satisfy my cravings for latest Android versions.

http://phandroid.com/2012/10/24/sprints-samsung-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-rollout-starts-october-25th/
Funny how I left Sprint and my S3 to come to AT&T and get an S3. Surely we won't be too much further behind if Sprint is releasing it? Maybe? Bueller?

jmacdonald19 said:
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/24/sprints-samsung-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-rollout-starts-october-25th/
Funny how I left Sprint and my S3 to come to AT&T and get an S3. Surely we won't be too much further behind if Sprint is releasing it? Maybe? Bueller?
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Good find! When the initial Samsung statement regarding the U.S. S3 variants being updated to Jellybean "in the coming months" was issued, it specifically mentioned "all carriers except for Sprint". Although the arrival of the Sprint update may signal that ours are just around the corner, I'm not holding my breath.

I just want to point out that Apple doesn't play by the same ruleset as Android OEM's do when it comes to releasing updates. Part of the original contract with AT&T was to prevent AT&T from having any say in Apple's updates and it kind of just kept going with the other carriers since they wanted the phone to sell so dearly.
Android OEM's have no such stipulation, Nexus devices not counting of course.

Saw on another site that AT&T wont see an update till January.
Of course that is just word of mouth, so take it for what you will.

AT&T JB Update SEEDING right now!

Downloading as I write this: 82.05MB

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Downloading as I write this: 82.05MB
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NOT JB .. this was the last update that came out over a month ago for LH9 .. still ICS 4.0.4

I am downloading the same update it would be nice if it was JB but from what I read we are looking at 2013 for at&t.

Let us know if it's JB
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Very misleading. Ugh.
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LordGeek said:
NOT JB .. this was the last update that came out over a month ago for LH9 .. still ICS 4.0.4
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Darn it! I thought it was JB since I read an article that US S3 was beeing updated over the OTA. Oh well..

chat with the ATT rep regarding JB rollout for ATT. This is the second reference I have gotten from a ATT rep that says the update may "affect the network" and that "if it does have an adverse affect it will not be released."
You are now chatting with 'Paul Goss'
Paul Goss: Thank you for completing the pre-chat survey. I will be happy to help you out with any of your issues today.
Paul Goss: Once it is made available to AT&T customer you will receive a text message letting you know.
RICHARD THOMAS: Just following up on a chat I had this AM. I understand you have nothing to do with the update but why can sprint roll out JB for the exact same device months earlier than ATT?
Paul Goss: Once the phone manufacturer releases the software we then test it over our network and once that is done we will then release for customers.
RICHARD THOMAS: by the release from sprint the software is or has been released by the manufacturer. The motorola Atrix fiasco has put a bad taste in my mouth. We were promised a update from motorola and ATT for almost a year and on the last day told we would not receive it. I just kind of get the feeling that ATT is going to do the same thing with this phone. I don't have much faith in ATT at the moment.
Paul Goss: Sorry you feel that way however before we can release we need to know how it will affect the network. Our network is much bigger and much more complex then Sprint there fore it requires more testing. if it does have an adverse affect then it will not be released.
RICHARD THOMAS: so we can expect to possibly NOT get a android Jelly Bean release?
Paul Goss: I have no knowledge or control over that. I can only say were in the process of testing it. The results are not given to us until it is released.
RICHARD THOMAS: you are the second tech that has told me that it might have an adverse effect on the network.
Paul Goss: Was there any other questions or concerns I can address today?
Paul Goss: Hopefully shortly we'll get notice that it is being released.
RICHARD THOMAS: no. Just a little disappointed in the amount of time that it is taking ATT to approve a software update on its customer's phones. Last anyone heard it wouldn't be until 2013
Paul Goss: Regretfully I can not comment on that as I have not been given that information.
Paul Goss: Once it is released you will be given notice.
RICHARD THOMAS: very well, thank you for chatting. please inform your supervisors that customers are getting irritated by the slow pace of updates. Not that anyone in corporate cares once they get our money.
Paul Goss: We do caret the last thing we want is for you to update the software and ending with a phone that does not work or work properly. I'm sure the last thing you want to do is go a week with out a phone while the company sends out a new one to replace the nonworking one.
RICHARD THOMAS: I agree just not convinced that is all.
RICHARD THOMAS: remember I had the motorola atrix that was abandoned half way through my contract.
RICHARD THOMAS: Thank you for taking the time to chat. I will not bother you further today.

Such a load of BS. This is obviously what they are instructed to tell people when they ask about updates to their phone. Guess what? People install custom ROMs on their phones and it doesn't "affect the network". Although at this point I wish it did and brought the network to its knees so AT&T corporate would actually get off their butts and do something.

I wouldn't sweat it. With sprint already releasing their version, we could see ours anyday now. I hope its by end of this weekend. Would make a nice surprise.

demandarin said:
I wouldn't sweat it. With sprint already releasing their version, we could see ours anyday now. I hope its by end of this weekend. Would make a nice surprise.
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I'm already working on it. But there is a funky issue with the kernel I believe. When you hold the phone in landscape mode the screen is upside down. I'm going to try but from what I'm hearing from some kernel devs is that it can't be done without source

graffixnyc said:
I'm already working on it. But there is a funky issue with the kernel I believe. When you hold the phone in landscape mode the screen is upside down. I'm going to try but from what I'm hearing from some kernel devs is that it can't be done without source
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That's awesome! Does it help that source released for sprint?
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nakedninja42 said:
That's awesome! Does it help that source released for sprint?
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I'm sure it would help a kernel dev But not me. lol I'm going to get my rom all ready (BlackJelly) and hope one of the kernel guys (Looks at Ktoonsez) releases an updated kernel that will work with the sprint release

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Downloading as I write this: 82.05MB
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How about editing your thread title to "I jumped the gun" or something similar.

OP should have changed the title
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