Why am I waiting on VZW? - Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Why am I waiting on VZW? - Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Why am I waiting on VZW for 4.0.4? I understood (or misunderstood) the Nexus line to get their updates directly from Google. This played a significant role in my decision to go with the Galaxy Nexus. So, what changed? I'm sure the Nexus One got updates direct from Google...didn't it? Also, I noticed a couple VZW branded uninstallable apps preloaded on it...why is there ANYTHING non-Google preloaded if it's "Pure Google?"
Man, I must have misunderstood something.

Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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miketoasty said:
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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+1. Root it & put 4.0.4 on it yourself. Eff vzw.
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There wasn't a CDMA Nexus One, so yes it got its updates from Google.
This is actually nothing new, nothing has changed. Its been the exact same with the NS4G on Sprint. Verizon has closed-source radio code that they have to add themselves and test before sending it out. THAT is why you're waiting for Verizon.
As for the apps, just disable them and stop crying. Its the same deal, if a phone is gonna be on Verizon it's gonna have those apps.
If it bothers you that bad, buy a GSM model.
This has been argued/explained at length in many threads, blogs, podcasts and posts.

CDMA Nexii are slightly different. They get updates sent from Google to the carriers(ie Sprint and Verizon). GSM Nexii on the other hand, get updates directly from Google. It was known for a while now that this was the case, which means you didn't do your research.
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miketoasty said:
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.

vash1053 said:
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.

vash1053 said:
Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.

blowtorch said:
Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.

zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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what you stated here and was really my trying point is that veriosn needs to approve the software including the 2 to 3 apps and radios before the push to users ... i don't think anyone can deny that verison's version isn't true nexus
the only real nexus's are the Yakju/Takju builds ... which any gsm version could be converted to

zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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They are updating what binaries they can provide, so don't be so sure they won't be updating images. Your definition of a true Nexus and mine differ.

VZW Galaxy Nexus still gets updates directly from Google. It just has to be put under review/testing from Verizon before it gets pushed.
Plus, who actually depends on the OTA? You're on XDA after all.
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zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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The radios are handled by Qualcomm/Verizon. It's a "true" nexus device. It meets all the criteria. Just because it gets a .0.1 revision update a week later (or whatever it was) doesn't mean ****. Seriously? Gonna cry of a couple small bug fixes? As to the CDMA binaries not being available, talk to Qualcomm, they made most of the binaries/radios.

You may not have to wait much longer. Vzw started to push 4.0.4 (Imm76K) last week.
It's in the Vzw Dev forum if you don't want to wait and don't mind unlocking and rooting

You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.

No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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meganame said:
You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.
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No need to meet harshness with harshness.
Its obvious you're upset about this whole thing or you wouldn't have created a thread about it. You need to just decide what's important to you, read up on it, and if you find you don't want to "wait for Verizon" then I'll tell you again to buy a GSM model.

keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Ah, well those words conveyed it better.

keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.

martonikaj said:
Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.
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Its true.
They should really stress the fact that XDA is a development site and not Verizon support forums.
Seriously though, you came on XDA and posted this thread. You could've rooted, unlocked, and flashed 4.0.4 by now.
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martonikaj said:
Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.
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Apple most definitely has leverage over carriers. If they didn't, you'd see bloatware on subsidized iPhones & updates being pushed at different times. Leaks don't matter because Apple makes their beta iOS builds readily available to those enrolled in the iOS development program.
A lot of fandroids don't want to admit that there ARE benefits to being a control freak, especially when you're one of the richest and most famous companies in the entire world. Apple doesn't order VZW around, but you can be damn sure that VZW doesn't order Apple around either. VZW telling Apple what changes they want made to the OS? LOL, not going to happen.

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So we all bought a Nexus phone expecting...

That we would get OS updates rolled out pretty much as soon as they are released. So why are we waiting for an "official" release for 4.0.3 to make it's way to the Verizon LTE device?

Verizon is probably testing it to make sure it's reliable and fixes the signal hand off.

There are reportedly problems with the 4.3 update that's been going out else where. They have temporarily suspended it. Also, there is an additional update for the LTE version (assuming that's the one you have), so it may be delayed.
Patience. Not all the galaxy S's are updated simultaneously, there still needs to be approval from the carrier, even though it's a google phone.

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Maybe for you since apparently you know everything but for those of us who have never had a Nexus device like myself, I've already learned a few things from some helpful replies.

Bought the phone expecting excellent dev support and that's exactly what I'm getting couldn't be any happier with this purchase

Wow, really have no patience eh?

PaulG1488 said:
Bought the phone expecting excellent dev support and that's exactly what I'm getting couldn't be any happier with this purchase
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Could not have put it any better....

I don't think 4.0.3 has even rolled out for the GSM Galaxy Nexus, let alone the LTE one. It's rolling out to the Nexus S right now, so I'm sure the Galaxy Nexus will get it by the end of the month, or early January (it is the holidays you know).

i must admit i found it a little odd that even the GSM GN is only on 4.0.2 and the same day basically the nexus S was updated to 4.0.3, seems maybe something was wrong with the 4.0.3 update making it take a little longer for the GN

i expected:
-no fragmentation
-insta-updates
-google products to work
i dislike that there are multiple builds out; that google only promotes the verizon copy; that it is manufacturer and phone provider-branded; that google's own WALLET app is not officially supported (atleast on GSM)
its beginning to seem less and less "google-like"

ccpotato said:
i expected:
-no fragmentation
-insta-updates
-google products to work
i dislike that there are multiple builds out; that google only promotes the verizon copy; that it is manufacturer and phone provider-branded; that google's own WALLET app is not officially supported (atleast on GSM)
its beginning to seem less and less "google-like"
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Updates are region specific as basebands vary by region based on what frequency bands are used. Only 1 nexus device supports Google Wallet. The NS4G. The original NS doesn't even support wallet officially. Your complains are kind of invalid.

4.0.3 has battery drain issues and supposedly Google pulled that ota. Also the ns4g hasn't even got the ics ota yet...
I guess you can call it fragmentation but devs always compile the latest roms anyways. Iono it'd not a big deal for me lol
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105437 said:
Maybe for you since apparently you know everything but for those of us who have never had a Nexus device like myself, I've already learned a few things from some helpful replies.
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I've never owned a nexus device before. Please, read my signature.
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I'm GSM and 4.0.1. No biggie.
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Apologies... I'm not being impatient about getting updates etc. It seems my expectations for a Nexus device were set unrealistically by other information I read prior to purchasing the Nexus. After reading what people have said in this thread I have a better understanding of what to expect.
Anyway, thanks.

105437 said:
Apologies... I'm not being impatient about getting updates etc. It seems my expectations for a Nexus device were set unrealistically by other information I read prior to purchasing the Nexus. After reading what people have said in this thread I have a better understanding of what to expect.
Anyway, thanks.
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please bear in mind, regardless, you will always be the first to get the latest update from google.
question is, people seems to be able to wait for days, not weeks, where as we all know, it does takes weeks for google to release a update.
but in comparison to other manufacturer, we are talking about months in oppose to weeks.
your choice.

As said already. You are taing about days or weeks. Where as all other phones you are talking a few months.

Google No Longer Supports the LTE - CDMA Verizon Galaxy Nexus? - Updated, New Info.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...ons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
Update: It looks like all CDMA devices are no longer supported, this includes the Nexus S 4G on sprint.
Update 2: There's no evidence that this will negatively impact end users and OTA's. Things are still unfolding...
Update 3: Google WILL continue to support the Verizon Galaxy Nexus via OTA's. You can put the pitch forks away if you're not a dev and just want OTA's.

lrs421 said:
This cannot be true. I did not buy this phone to get updates and support from Verizon. I'm hoping it's a Friday glitch or early April Fools joke. I am soooo annoyed.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...ons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
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Lol @ the early April fools joke its February 3rd smh. But that is interesting, will it be the same for sprint version? Since it says no cdma will be aipported
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This would not surprise me. Remember this is still Verizon (Major Carrier). They still want control of the devices on their networks. Kudos to them for giving users the choice of the Galaxy Nexus even though its not considered their flagship. Google not providing the device support in the future will be very bad but this shows that updates will have to come from Verizon.

I am soooo pissed I can barely type. I hope this is a mistake.
edit: no longer that pissed
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Mods, there are 2 threads about this a minute apart, can we have them merged? Thanks.
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Someone might as well get the petition going now. The war has already broken out in the Droid Life comments. For User's Unlocked/Rooted/ROM'ed this isn't as big a blow but the reason most of us purchased the device was because it was a developer phone. Verizon's refusal to allow Google Wallet and support the openess of a developer phone could easily have caused this. My speculation is that Verizon doesn't want to roll out updates as fast as Google wants too and there is some kind of conflict there. Considering there is a leaked 4.0.4 and we haven't seen 4.0.3 released officially is good evidence of this. Just my opinion.

Itachisasuke said:
Someone might as well get the petition going now. The war has already broken out in the Droid Life comments. For User's Unlocked/Rooted/ROM'ed this isn't as big a blow but the reason most of us purchased the device was because it was a developer phone. Verizon's refusal to allow Google Wallet and support the openess of a developer phone could easily have caused this. My speculation is that Verizon doesn't want to roll out updates as fast as Google wants too and there is some kind of conflict there. Considering there is a leaked 4.0.4 and we haven't seen 4.0.3 released officially is good evidence of this. Just my opinion.
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LOL like Verizon or Google will listen to some pissed off people who signed a petition. Google has its principles and has obviously decided that the LTE version isn't suitable as a reference device given Verizon's mucking it up.

martonikaj said:
LOL like Verizon or Google will listen to some pissed off people who signed a petition. Google has its principles and has obviously decided that the LTE version isn't suitable as a reference device given Verizon's mucking it up.
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I'm pretty cynical when it comes to this sort of stuff as well but someone should feel some push back as a result of this. I purchased this phone for Google support, I wanted to get a way from Verizon.

Seriously, merge these threads into one. That page has nothing to do with updates.
The page stating CDMA devices aren't supported is for building AOSP builds for target devices. It has nothing to do with OTA updates.
You'll notice another Nexus CDMA device missing, the Nexus S 4G. Guess where it gets its updates from and always has (it's not Sprint)?

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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lrs421 said:
I'm pretty cynical when it comes to this sort of stuff as well but someone should feel some push back as a result of this. I purchased this phone for Google support, I wanted to get a way from Verizon.
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I know what you're saying, but at the end of the day you bought a locked CDMA phone on Verizon. You will never get away from Verizon unless you switch carriers and buy a different phone : / The nexus is a little farther away from Verizon compared to a "Droid" but you're crazy if you thought you were going to be as free as a bird when you bought a Nexus on big red.

NIK516 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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Wow. So it's not just Verizon?
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NIK516 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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This happened with the Nexus One on Vodafone as well. It wasn't the "end" then and it won't be the "end" now.

It's a little early to tell, but if this turns out to be true I'm going to the Verizon store and going to raise hell. I will cancel my contract over this.

martonikaj said:
I know what you're saying, but at the end of the day you bought a locked CDMA phone on Verizon. You will never get away from Verizon...
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I know, I know. I'm too annoyed for common sense right now
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Truculent said:
It's a little early to tell, but if this turns out to be true I'm going to the Verizon store and going to raise hell. I will cancel my contract over this.
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Lol good luck with that. Pay and ETF and they'll be happy to let you leave. And they'll watch another 5 people walk in the store right after you and buy a Rezound/RAZR/Droid 4/FoTM device.
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I know, I know. I'm too annoyed for common sense right now
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Happens to the best of us. Just bringing perspective here. I always thought it was funny that all of these Verizon people thought they were "sticking it to the carrier" by buying a Verizon Galaxy Nexus...

NIK516 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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Filled with quite a bit of miss information tbh.
They state the latest version of pics is 4.0.3. Its not that's only source code. And complain that peoples new phones are still on 4.0.1. That's correct but so are most retail versions.
I'd be pissed if I had a version version. But I'm not surprised as most carriers seen to want control. But the winging from .au is a bit petty. Its only mi cute builds, not like they are major builds behind.
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Verizon's refusal to allow Google Wallet and support the openess of a developer phone could easily have caused this. My speculation is that Verizon doesn't want to roll out updates as fast as Google wants too and there is some kind of conflict there.
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These are my thoughts exactly. Google has repeatedly shown that they are very innovative and forward thinking. Updates are moving too fast and Big Red does not want to move that fast if at all.

martonikaj said:
Lol good luck with that. Pay and ETF and they'll be happy to let you leave.
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I've been considering paying the ETF and leaving for awhile now. The only thing holding me to stay has been my unlimited data I was grandfathered into, but I'm sure that won't last much longer with the way things have been going (throttling etc.). I'll probably buy a GSM nexus and go month to month on another carrier. It's kind of the final straw.

Why is this such a big issue ? The ability to apply the stock yoku OS is available. Once that's done the phone will receive Google updates,especially for unlocked GNex

CDMA GNex

Hi all. I just got my GNex from Verizon. I've heard things about this phone on the CDMA side being abandoned by devs. Is this true? If so, should I get a different phone (I still have 9 days to take it back)? I'm coming from a DX, so I love hacking and flashing.. If this phone is still a keeper...can someone point me in the right direction to a thread for rooting and ROMs and flashing (oh my!)?
Thanks all
-Path
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Where did you hear that this phone was being abandoned?!
Keep it, you will be glad you did.

It is not being abandoned, Google is just dropping official support for it. That's it.
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Miscellaneous posts from people lol
I thought it was odd considering I bought this phone because it was known for being hackable..
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Here is a thread to get you started for unlocking and rooting...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1400871
Check out this forum for all kinds of ROMs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1455

joshnichols189 said:
It is not being abandoned, Google is just dropping official support for it. That's it.
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Google just dropped it as a developer phone. the updates will still be rolling out.Google stated that clearly. the update might take a bit longer than the GSM nexus..but v will still get it....
trust me the nexus will see updates quicker than anybody.
the nexus will see official version 5.0 android os... None of the Droid line ups will see official android 5.0 version on them..trust me
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PathologyX said:
Hi all. I just got my GNex from Verizon. I've heard things about this phone on the CDMA side being abandoned by devs. Is this true? If so, should I get a different phone (I still have 9 days to take it back)? ...
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Take it back. Get the GSM version. Get anything else.
CDMA is pretty **** to begin with, but Google has admitted that AOSP Android cannot fully support CDMA. You cannot use the Android source to create a working CDMA build without proprietary blobs, delivered by Google, if the carrier permits it.
Google's support for CDMA depends on carriers permitting it. On a Nexus device.
Think about that.
You wont find any shennigance like that in the GSM world because the system is not ass-****ed enough to begin with to allow such carrier-control. GSM is open. GSM is the freedom you want.
Yes. Like the poeople here will tell you: For now the CDMA devs can hack a release together just fine. They can give you a working ROM based on hacking blobs and Android source. But no, but there are no guarantees it will remain that way. One day, you might be out of luck.
The CDMA/Verizon Galaxy Nexus is a carrier-neutered Nexus. It's not the real goods. And it never was. Think about the months delayed release, because a carrier had objections to what Google put on a "clean" developer phone.
The result is carrier bloatware, and Android features like tethering removed.
The CDMA/Verizon Nexus: It's not what you want. It wasn't when it was announced, and with AOSP support taken back, it definitely isn't now.
Just return that POS and get anything else. I've had non-Nexus phones miles more open than the "Verizon Nexus". It's a joke. It's the laughing-stock of the internet.

I have to have Verizon though :\
Where I live, GSM carriers (ATT is really the only one) get horrid service..
So, knowing that, what's your opinion?
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Keep it...
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PathologyX said:
I have to have Verizon though :\
Where I live, GSM carriers (ATT is really the only one) get horrid service..
So, knowing that, what's your opinion?
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Please don't listen to this guy he has been trolling these boards for a couple days now, makes me wonder if the mods are on vacation
(Last part of that was a joke/sarcasm of course)
Verizon is just as hackable, you will have no shortage of ROM's for at least a year or year and a half.

Okay, good to know
Thanks for all of your help/suggestions (minus the troll.. gtfo)
I'll keep it then ;D
Now let's see if I can hack this one worse than my DX xD doubtful
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josteink said:
Take it back. Get the GSM version. Get anything else.
CDMA is pretty **** to begin with, but Google has admitted that AOSP Android cannot fully support CDMA. You cannot use the Android source to create a working CDMA build without proprietary blobs, delivered by Google, if the carrier permits it.
Google's support for CDMA depends on carriers permitting it. On a Nexus device.
Think about that.
You wont find any shennigance like that in the GSM world because the system is not ass-****ed enough to begin with to allow such carrier-control. GSM is open. GSM is the freedom you want.
Yes. Like the poeople here will tell you: For now the CDMA devs can hack a release together just fine. They can give you a working ROM based on hacking blobs and Android source. But no, but there are no guarantees it will remain that way. One day, you might be out of luck.
The CDMA/Verizon Galaxy Nexus is a carrier-neutered Nexus. It's not the real goods. And it never was. Think about the months delayed release, because a carrier had objections to what Google put on a "clean" developer phone.
The result is carrier bloatware, and Android features like tethering removed.
The CDMA/Verizon Nexus: It's not what you want. It wasn't when it was announced, and with AOSP support taken back, it definitely isn't now.
Just return that POS and get anything else. I've had non-Nexus phones miles more open than the "Verizon Nexus". It's a joke. It's the laughing-stock of the internet.
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Claiming misinformation as fact - check
Trolls numerous CDMA GN threads - check
Listen, bud, the *only* things missing are the blobs, which can be extracted, no need for any hacking ATM, by users.
The fact that you need to result to swearing just goes to show how juvenile you really are.
Bloatware? Two apps? Hardly a big deal unless it is you trying to make a point by drastic exaggeration. Those on these boards who have the phone are running ROMs that doesn't include them so it is opt-in.
Tethering removed? That is just an outright fabrication by you.
Enjoy your GSM and let the OP enjoy twice the storage capacity of your phone and four times the transfer speed of yours.

mutelight said:
Claiming misinformation as fact - check
Trolls numerous CDMA GN threads - check
Listen, bud, the *only* things missing are the blobs, which can be extracted, no need for any hacking ATM, by users.
The fact that you need to result to swearing just goes to show how juvenile you really are.
Bloatware? Two apps? Hardly a big deal unless it is you trying to make a point by drastic exaggeration. Those on these boards who have the phone are running ROMs that doesn't include them so it is opt-in.
Tethering removed? That is just an outright fabrication by you.
Enjoy your GSM and let the OP enjoy twice the storage capacity of your phone and four times the transfer speed of yours.
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Funny thing is, on ICS the bloatware can be "Disabled" which is basically the same thing as freezing the app in TiBu which also removes it from your app drawer and stops it from running, essentially removing it from your phone.
Oh and I think what he means in terms of tether is that you have to pay to use it, which is the same with any other carrier just with the CDMA model it is pre built in that it is blocked.
Either way this guy is just an obvious troll.

Me a troll? Come on. Sorry for spreading the good word of freedom around the Nexus forums then.
If anyone should be called a troll at this point it should be Verizon. So far they've completely butchered the Nexus program, and nobody is even pointing a finger at them.
Good job. Really. I'd be surprised to see Google even bother with a non-standard carrier anytime again, if the Nexus program isn't sabotaged enough to be dead by then.
I'll piss off. Enjoy your carrier-approved, carrier-branded Nexus.
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Oh and I think what he means in terms of tether is that you have to pay to use it, which is the same with any other carrier just with the CDMA model it is pre built in that it is blocked.
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On all carriers I have had, I pay for data. How I use it is entirely up to me. Tethering is a phone-level function and not anything the carrier can or should control.
And least of all disable or strip free, built-in tethering from the phone. Jesus christ that is invasive to the point of being illegal where I live.
Sorry. There is a free market out there, and there **** like this is not accepted. I thought people buying Nexus-devices would be aware of things like that.
I guess that defines a troll around here, being European.

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Me a troll? Come on. Sorry for spreading the good word of freedom around the Nexus forums then.
If anyone should be called a troll at this point it should be Verizon. So far they've completely butchered the Nexus program, and nobody is even pointing a finger at them.
Good job. Really. I'd be surprised to see Google even bother with a non-standard carrier anytime again, if the Nexus program isn't sabotaged enough to be dead by then.
I'll piss off. Enjoy your carrier-approved, carrier-branded Nexus.
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What did Verizon do in all this mess other than put their name on the back and put some (Removable) bloatware on the phone?
You don't back up your points at all but whine about how terrible this phone is, obvious troll is obvious.

miketoasty said:
What did Verizon do in all this mess other than put their name on the back and put some (Removable) bloatware on the phone?
You don't back up your points at all but whine about how terrible this phone is, obvious troll is obvious.
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They stripped the built in, free Android-tethering and replaced it with a for-pay service?
In the rest of the world, you'd return the phone over a defect like that.

josteink said:
On all carriers I have had, I pay for data. How I use it is entirely up to me. Tethering is a phone-level function and not anything the carrier can or should control.
And least of all disable or strip free, built-in tethering from the phone. Jesus christ that is invasive to the point of being illegal where I live.
Sorry. There is a free market out there, and there **** like this is not accepted. I thought people buying Nexus-devices would be aware of things like that.
I guess that defines a troll around here, being European.
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You are free to use data as you wish, as it is pre defined in your agreement you make with the carrier when you use their network. Verizon has tethering in their contract as a paid service. I understand it may be different where you live but here in the states that's just how it is.
The tethering is usable once you enable a tethering plan to your account so why would they remove it?
Yes there is a free market out there but there are also contracts we sign so we can use these phones, and like I said it may be different around here than it is out there.
Enjoy your phone and we will continue to live in our idiotic bliss.
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They stripped the built in, free Android-tethering and replaced it with a for-pay service?
In the rest of the world, you'd return the phone over a defect like that.
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Read above post, and they stripped nothing, just added a message (If you don't pay for the service) that you need to pay for it before you use it.

josteink said:
They stripped the built in, free Android-tethering and replaced it with a for-pay service?
In the rest of the world, you'd return the phone over a defect like that.
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If you don't have the technical knowledge, then don't speak of what you do not know.
They stripped nothing. They have a provisioning apk in place for legit users. Its easily bypassed and we leave it out of aosp.

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... It's the laughing-stock of the internet.
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I'd return it asap.. who'd ever want to be the laughing stock of the internet!?

My Rant, and I hope Google Reads This

Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.

Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).

Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You've heard wrong.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Its a matter of principle for some people.
And you have to unlock your bootloader. You can relock it after of course.

greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
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Agreed on all points! Google, sadly, is becoming a an organization that lacks focus in its endeavors.

I also come from a galaxy s and i have a yakju, international gsm, carrier free.
When i first heard that vodafone pt would have galaxy nexus carrier locked for sale, i thought right away that that couldnt be a good thing, so i went and ordered a sim free international version even more certain that what i needed was the one where no carrier touched, only Google. That worked out fine. There was no yakju variants known at the time, october or early november last year.
The move about dropping support on cdma devices was not so good, but thats on the carrier and lte fw.
Edit: re read op, and it seems he has a carrier unlocked phone.
If you wanted to escape regional builds, you should ask yourself why they exist. Different basebands for example, you probably are aware of this since you're from Canada.
I dont care about otas and etas, as long as source is available. Thats why i bought it in the first place.

Yes I can't believe why Google is allowing this. The nexus doesn't seem like a nexus now- it's just a phone that is unlockable.
It is the same case for me in Hong Kong. I finally decided not to flash yakju but to start using ROMs the second week I bought the phone.
Google needs to change this policy. They aren't going to let the nexus get more and more out of hand and less Google! As we Hongkongers like to say, give us back the "Google son"!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

greeced said:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
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How could there be no regional builds when people in the world don't even speak the same language?
Sorry for my sarcasm, but you get the idea. We have different networks, systems, AC power plugs... the list goes on and on. Just look at what 'X' means in different countries.
But I agree that they can do a lot more to make it easier.

Google has always held the belief that the Nexus line is for developers. It is for the most part a stock platform for which a developer can test their products on. However, Samsung and the carriers have mass marketed the phone as a consumer phone. It really is not and the Nexus brand has changed forever.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.

how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?

zeekiz said:
Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
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This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You're missing the point of his post.
Sent from a yakju GSGN

josteink said:
This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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But then you are looking at the fact that they then have to supply smaller retailers with the handset, which also means they would have a lower scope of user adoption, as well as the cost of additional advertising.
By pleasing selected network providers, it ensure that the handset is in the hands of not just enthusiasts, but also the general user. The handset will have a higher adoption rate due to the higher availability, as well as the network providers will be more proactive in advertising the phone, overall this not only increases profits, but saves money by relying on the front end to advertise to attract users.
Business is business at the end of the day.

HRodMusic said:
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate

martonikaj said:
https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?

HRodMusic said:
wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.

efrant said:
You've heard wrong.
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You do NOT need to unlock boot loader to flash yakju, from personal experience.

martonikaj said:
LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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yea, its just i got my phone off craigslist, ive always wondered were it came from, over seas, or from my canadian neighbors =D
btw whats your speeds like in bellingham?

greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
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You're posting on XDA and hope Google reads this?
I'm just happy that we have access to the latest ICS versions (through ROMs and AOSP). If I have to flash them instead of getting OTAs, then so be it. I can live with that.
I am 100% sure we are much better off than those still stuck on Gingerbread, Froyo, Eclair and even Donut. We and the Nexus S crew are still the first to get our hands on ICS, which we've been able to enjoy over the past 4 months whilst everyone else has to wait patiently. We'll also have first dibs on Jellybean too
Is it ideal that we already have version fragmentation on ICS? Not really, but considering the baseline version recommended for mass use hasn't seemed to have surfaced yet, I wouldn't really consider that a problem. Once that's out in the wild, I would expect most people will get OTA'd to the latest version and all will be well.
Regional builds MAY get it slower due to Samsung handling the OTAs, however I think they only did this to offload some of the pressure of single-handedly applying a global update. Even though my Nexus was shipped as yakju, I do hope Sammy pulls their finger out and updates the regional builds as fast as Google will.

Jelly Bean update! But not for us! :(

So the International unlocked version got their Jelly Bean update today. Man! Why doesn't Sammy hire some of these devs on here to speed up the freaking process!!
Edit: Sorry Sammy its not your fault its the freaking carriers!! Bastards!!! thanks Andy!
Edit again: OK Sammy im putting you back in the crap house!!! bastards!!! thanks intub8!
White Hot! GS3.

blame the carriers.

andy2na said:
blame the carriers.
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Its not Sammy...definitely the money grubbing carriers in the US...its pathetic

Oh I see thanks for sharing! Will change OP freaking carriers!!!! Lol.....
White Hot! GS3.

andy2na said:
blame the carriers.
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Samsung is not innocent. Blame them also. Samsung can easily say no to the major carriers and push the update to us through kies. We will not get the update until 30-60 days after the next flagship device from att. All of the iphone update come directly from apple. The carriers have no say.
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Intub8 said:
Samsung is not innocent. Blame them also. Samsung can easily say no to the major carriers and push the update to us through kies. We will not get the update until 30-60 days after the next flagship device from att. All of the iphone update come directly from apple. The carriers have no say.
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Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
I honestly don't understand how Samsung, the biggest mobile phone producer in the world, allows carriers to call the shots. As you've mentioned, Apple doesn't allow the carriers to have any input in OS updates. Samsung has just as much clout - what's stopping them from doing the same?

kgbkny said:
Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
I honestly don't understand how Samsung, the biggest mobile phone producer in the world, allows carriers to call the shots. As you've mentioned, Apple doesn't allow the carriers to have any input in OS updates. Samsung has just as much clout - what's stopping them from doing the same?
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All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.

kgbkny said:
Ditto. Another post that was moved to the Q&A section mentioned that there are already three AT&T leaks in existence. AT&T is probably too busy ensuring that their bloatware is compatible with the ROMs, I mean, testing them.
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Three leaks? I haven't seen them for download anywhere.
This is getting ridiculous.

just use a custom rom!

scorpion667 said:
All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.
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And I suppose Apple doesn't care about profit margins?
In all honesty, I can't say I disagree. Apple pretty much gave the carriers the finger by strictly controlling what's included in the updates and their release timeline. My biggest frustration with Android is the complete lack of uniformity when it comes to keeping it up to date. With that being said, I would sooner switch to Windows than iOS.
With regards to custom ROMs....not really my thing anymore. There is always something that doesn't function properly, which is why I'd rather have the official release. I used to be a flashaholic when I had the Vibrant and the MT4G, even the Sensation (to some extent). Nowadays, I tend to favor the official releases, even if it's a leak.

scorpion667 said:
All Samsung cares about is profit margins. Where as Apple is also really strict with what goes into their phones. Flame away, but that's the truth.
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Wut? Samsung has slimmer margins than Apple does. By a LONG shot.
Also, Apple doesn't let carriers control updates, but the carriers do significantly control what is going in to each update (primarily in terms of what features are enabled for use when). They still don't have a gold paved road.
That being said, I do wish Samsung would force the carriers to a better update schedule. I wouldn't care if it was consistently a month after the international version. That would be better than what we have now.

andy2na said:
blame the carriers.
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I spoke to an ATT rep on chat and they said that they were the ones holding up the release. Doesn't seem like they care what with the disabling of google wallet as well.

kgbkny said:
With regards to custom ROMs....not really my thing anymore. There is always something that doesn't function properly, which is why I'd rather have the official release. I used to be a flashaholic when I had the Vibrant and the MT4G, even the Sensation (to some extent). Nowadays, I tend to favor the official releases, even if it's a leak.
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I kinda agree as I did the same with my S1 i9000 : flashed ROMs and kernels onto it on a weekly basis for nearly 1½ year.
Now that I have my S3, I just don't feel like that anymore as I :
- Appreciate the quality and stability of Samsung's releases
- Enjoy using the best camera app there is
- Know that the phone will eventually be updated to an even better release
However, the day I'll be told by Samsung that my S3 will no longer be elligible to upgrades, just watch me go back to my custom ROMs flashing habits! héhéhé
As for the bloatware ... root and any decent file explorer can help you get rid of it!

I thought most people knew by now that only Official Google devices get (somewhat) prompt updates. I didn't buy my SIII based on what it was going to get, I bought it based on what it already had. IMO as long as they update the phone in a relatively timely manner (within 6 months I'd say) then I am content - even then I wouldn't be too upset. I would just flash something myself.

I do the same. Take official firmware and basically make my own custom rom.
That way I have control about what is and isnt done.
I root it..
remove bloatware myself with root explorer (after copying everything I am about to remove to my external sd for safe keeping)
keep copies of the build.prop, framework-res systemui etc.
I modify the systemui for my own icons etc.
Install other modes etc.
As for leaks the only leak I know off on AT&T based is LH1 which I am running.
I am not running the latest lh9 as lh1 has everything that lh9 has but doesnt have nfc screwed up so wallet still works with it.
I am running the lh9 modem.

By the time the S3 will become ineligible for updates, I will have moved on to my next phone. Back in 2011, Google set up an Android update alliance, where many manufacturers and U.S.-based carriers promised that new Android phones would receive timely OS updates for 18 months after launch. The only timely thing about this promise was the death of this alliance. After Jellybean, I give the S3 one more update before Samsung declares it non-upgradeable. It's unfortunate, but that's just the nature of the beast.
I'm well aware that only official Google devices (Nexus) get timely updates. This is the only reason why I held on to my Galaxy Nexus after buying the S3. I was well aware that it'll be a loooooooooong time before the S3 sees an update, so I kept the Nexus to satisfy my cravings for latest Android versions.

http://phandroid.com/2012/10/24/sprints-samsung-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-rollout-starts-october-25th/
Funny how I left Sprint and my S3 to come to AT&T and get an S3. Surely we won't be too much further behind if Sprint is releasing it? Maybe? Bueller?

jmacdonald19 said:
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/24/sprints-samsung-galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-rollout-starts-october-25th/
Funny how I left Sprint and my S3 to come to AT&T and get an S3. Surely we won't be too much further behind if Sprint is releasing it? Maybe? Bueller?
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Good find! When the initial Samsung statement regarding the U.S. S3 variants being updated to Jellybean "in the coming months" was issued, it specifically mentioned "all carriers except for Sprint". Although the arrival of the Sprint update may signal that ours are just around the corner, I'm not holding my breath.

I just want to point out that Apple doesn't play by the same ruleset as Android OEM's do when it comes to releasing updates. Part of the original contract with AT&T was to prevent AT&T from having any say in Apple's updates and it kind of just kept going with the other carriers since they wanted the phone to sell so dearly.
Android OEM's have no such stipulation, Nexus devices not counting of course.

Saw on another site that AT&T wont see an update till January.
Of course that is just word of mouth, so take it for what you will.

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