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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...ons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
Update: It looks like all CDMA devices are no longer supported, this includes the Nexus S 4G on sprint.
Update 2: There's no evidence that this will negatively impact end users and OTA's. Things are still unfolding...
Update 3: Google WILL continue to support the Verizon Galaxy Nexus via OTA's. You can put the pitch forks away if you're not a dev and just want OTA's.
lrs421 said:
This cannot be true. I did not buy this phone to get updates and support from Verizon. I'm hoping it's a Friday glitch or early April Fools joke. I am soooo annoyed.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...ons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
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Lol @ the early April fools joke its February 3rd smh. But that is interesting, will it be the same for sprint version? Since it says no cdma will be aipported
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This would not surprise me. Remember this is still Verizon (Major Carrier). They still want control of the devices on their networks. Kudos to them for giving users the choice of the Galaxy Nexus even though its not considered their flagship. Google not providing the device support in the future will be very bad but this shows that updates will have to come from Verizon.
I am soooo pissed I can barely type. I hope this is a mistake.
edit: no longer that pissed
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Mods, there are 2 threads about this a minute apart, can we have them merged? Thanks.
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Someone might as well get the petition going now. The war has already broken out in the Droid Life comments. For User's Unlocked/Rooted/ROM'ed this isn't as big a blow but the reason most of us purchased the device was because it was a developer phone. Verizon's refusal to allow Google Wallet and support the openess of a developer phone could easily have caused this. My speculation is that Verizon doesn't want to roll out updates as fast as Google wants too and there is some kind of conflict there. Considering there is a leaked 4.0.4 and we haven't seen 4.0.3 released officially is good evidence of this. Just my opinion.
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Someone might as well get the petition going now. The war has already broken out in the Droid Life comments. For User's Unlocked/Rooted/ROM'ed this isn't as big a blow but the reason most of us purchased the device was because it was a developer phone. Verizon's refusal to allow Google Wallet and support the openess of a developer phone could easily have caused this. My speculation is that Verizon doesn't want to roll out updates as fast as Google wants too and there is some kind of conflict there. Considering there is a leaked 4.0.4 and we haven't seen 4.0.3 released officially is good evidence of this. Just my opinion.
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LOL like Verizon or Google will listen to some pissed off people who signed a petition. Google has its principles and has obviously decided that the LTE version isn't suitable as a reference device given Verizon's mucking it up.
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LOL like Verizon or Google will listen to some pissed off people who signed a petition. Google has its principles and has obviously decided that the LTE version isn't suitable as a reference device given Verizon's mucking it up.
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I'm pretty cynical when it comes to this sort of stuff as well but someone should feel some push back as a result of this. I purchased this phone for Google support, I wanted to get a way from Verizon.
Seriously, merge these threads into one. That page has nothing to do with updates.
The page stating CDMA devices aren't supported is for building AOSP builds for target devices. It has nothing to do with OTA updates.
You'll notice another Nexus CDMA device missing, the Nexus S 4G. Guess where it gets its updates from and always has (it's not Sprint)?
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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I'm pretty cynical when it comes to this sort of stuff as well but someone should feel some push back as a result of this. I purchased this phone for Google support, I wanted to get a way from Verizon.
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I know what you're saying, but at the end of the day you bought a locked CDMA phone on Verizon. You will never get away from Verizon unless you switch carriers and buy a different phone : / The nexus is a little farther away from Verizon compared to a "Droid" but you're crazy if you thought you were going to be as free as a bird when you bought a Nexus on big red.
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http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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Wow. So it's not just Verizon?
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http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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This happened with the Nexus One on Vodafone as well. It wasn't the "end" then and it won't be the "end" now.
It's a little early to tell, but if this turns out to be true I'm going to the Verizon store and going to raise hell. I will cancel my contract over this.
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I know what you're saying, but at the end of the day you bought a locked CDMA phone on Verizon. You will never get away from Verizon...
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I know, I know. I'm too annoyed for common sense right now
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Truculent said:
It's a little early to tell, but if this turns out to be true I'm going to the Verizon store and going to raise hell. I will cancel my contract over this.
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Lol good luck with that. Pay and ETF and they'll be happy to let you leave. And they'll watch another 5 people walk in the store right after you and buy a Rezound/RAZR/Droid 4/FoTM device.
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I know, I know. I'm too annoyed for common sense right now
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Happens to the best of us. Just bringing perspective here. I always thought it was funny that all of these Verizon people thought they were "sticking it to the carrier" by buying a Verizon Galaxy Nexus...
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http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/w...ce-cream-sandwich-updates-direct-from-google/
Not the only in America this is happening with Australian galaxy nexus phones. Looks like the nexus Google phone days are over. Even more reason to get my gs3 when it comes out.
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Filled with quite a bit of miss information tbh.
They state the latest version of pics is 4.0.3. Its not that's only source code. And complain that peoples new phones are still on 4.0.1. That's correct but so are most retail versions.
I'd be pissed if I had a version version. But I'm not surprised as most carriers seen to want control. But the winging from .au is a bit petty. Its only mi cute builds, not like they are major builds behind.
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Verizon's refusal to allow Google Wallet and support the openess of a developer phone could easily have caused this. My speculation is that Verizon doesn't want to roll out updates as fast as Google wants too and there is some kind of conflict there.
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These are my thoughts exactly. Google has repeatedly shown that they are very innovative and forward thinking. Updates are moving too fast and Big Red does not want to move that fast if at all.
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Lol good luck with that. Pay and ETF and they'll be happy to let you leave.
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I've been considering paying the ETF and leaving for awhile now. The only thing holding me to stay has been my unlimited data I was grandfathered into, but I'm sure that won't last much longer with the way things have been going (throttling etc.). I'll probably buy a GSM nexus and go month to month on another carrier. It's kind of the final straw.
Why is this such a big issue ? The ability to apply the stock yoku OS is available. Once that's done the phone will receive Google updates,especially for unlocked GNex
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You've heard wrong.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Its a matter of principle for some people.
And you have to unlock your bootloader. You can relock it after of course.
greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
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Agreed on all points! Google, sadly, is becoming a an organization that lacks focus in its endeavors.
I also come from a galaxy s and i have a yakju, international gsm, carrier free.
When i first heard that vodafone pt would have galaxy nexus carrier locked for sale, i thought right away that that couldnt be a good thing, so i went and ordered a sim free international version even more certain that what i needed was the one where no carrier touched, only Google. That worked out fine. There was no yakju variants known at the time, october or early november last year.
The move about dropping support on cdma devices was not so good, but thats on the carrier and lte fw.
Edit: re read op, and it seems he has a carrier unlocked phone.
If you wanted to escape regional builds, you should ask yourself why they exist. Different basebands for example, you probably are aware of this since you're from Canada.
I dont care about otas and etas, as long as source is available. Thats why i bought it in the first place.
Yes I can't believe why Google is allowing this. The nexus doesn't seem like a nexus now- it's just a phone that is unlockable.
It is the same case for me in Hong Kong. I finally decided not to flash yakju but to start using ROMs the second week I bought the phone.
Google needs to change this policy. They aren't going to let the nexus get more and more out of hand and less Google! As we Hongkongers like to say, give us back the "Google son"!
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greeced said:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
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How could there be no regional builds when people in the world don't even speak the same language?
Sorry for my sarcasm, but you get the idea. We have different networks, systems, AC power plugs... the list goes on and on. Just look at what 'X' means in different countries.
But I agree that they can do a lot more to make it easier.
Google has always held the belief that the Nexus line is for developers. It is for the most part a stock platform for which a developer can test their products on. However, Samsung and the carriers have mass marketed the phone as a consumer phone. It really is not and the Nexus brand has changed forever.
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Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
zeekiz said:
Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
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This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You're missing the point of his post.
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josteink said:
This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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But then you are looking at the fact that they then have to supply smaller retailers with the handset, which also means they would have a lower scope of user adoption, as well as the cost of additional advertising.
By pleasing selected network providers, it ensure that the handset is in the hands of not just enthusiasts, but also the general user. The handset will have a higher adoption rate due to the higher availability, as well as the network providers will be more proactive in advertising the phone, overall this not only increases profits, but saves money by relying on the front end to advertise to attract users.
Business is business at the end of the day.
HRodMusic said:
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
HRodMusic said:
wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
efrant said:
You've heard wrong.
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You do NOT need to unlock boot loader to flash yakju, from personal experience.
martonikaj said:
LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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yea, its just i got my phone off craigslist, ive always wondered were it came from, over seas, or from my canadian neighbors =D
btw whats your speeds like in bellingham?
greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
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You're posting on XDA and hope Google reads this?
I'm just happy that we have access to the latest ICS versions (through ROMs and AOSP). If I have to flash them instead of getting OTAs, then so be it. I can live with that.
I am 100% sure we are much better off than those still stuck on Gingerbread, Froyo, Eclair and even Donut. We and the Nexus S crew are still the first to get our hands on ICS, which we've been able to enjoy over the past 4 months whilst everyone else has to wait patiently. We'll also have first dibs on Jellybean too
Is it ideal that we already have version fragmentation on ICS? Not really, but considering the baseline version recommended for mass use hasn't seemed to have surfaced yet, I wouldn't really consider that a problem. Once that's out in the wild, I would expect most people will get OTA'd to the latest version and all will be well.
Regional builds MAY get it slower due to Samsung handling the OTAs, however I think they only did this to offload some of the pressure of single-handedly applying a global update. Even though my Nexus was shipped as yakju, I do hope Sammy pulls their finger out and updates the regional builds as fast as Google will.
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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We can always wish, but it has never been that way for any other device, so why would it change now?
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I feel the same way.
RogerPodacter said:
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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That would be fantastic. Even if it said this month - update coming in June - that would be better than me hoping I might find a rumor that might seem credible. Then I'd know where to get genuine news relating to my device on MY carrier.
I am a looong time nexus user and I dont wish this anymore because I know it wont happend. Google works this way.
The only more or less "sure" thing is that when they say that it will be released in a couple of week is because it is already deployed in most employees devices for a long test and it will in fact be released in 2-3 weeks.
Google works this way because they don't have a ETA for when things are complete.
That's like saying telling CyanogenMod that you want more communication between them and the users so that they can post a timeline on when RC1/RC2 will be complete etc.
Things are just done when they're done.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
As others have mentioned, expecting any sort of ETA is completely unreasonable.
But honestly, this whole upgrade experience has been pretty underwhelming for two reasons: lack of communication and very slow speed. The volume bug -- a completely show-stopping bug -- took two weeks for a fix. I highly doubt it would take Apple that long to issue a software fix for such a serious bug. Sorry to bring Apple into the discussion, but it's true.
Not to mention that it's taken Google FIVE months to get NFC to be fully functional...
At the end of the day, having relatively quick updates of stock Android will probably keep me with Nexus devices, but an advertised and guaranteed monthly status update? That would be a killer USP. The silence between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4 was absolutely terrible.
boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Agreed. Also with Google (or the manufacturer doing updates) it has to be approved by the carrier UNLESS you're using the GSM model of Galaxy Nexus which is independent of any carrier.
This is from a news article I read yesterday,
“HTC has delivered a ROM to us however it is still having issues the reason that other sensation types have the update without issue and ours did not come out that way is because every ROM must be adapted to the hardware of the device because we use a different radio than other providers and also have applications such as wifi calling it also has to be compatible with those. What the HTC rep told you is most likely correct because once a ROM is delivered we have 2 weeks to test it and then approve it or send it back they then have 4 weeks to fix the bugs and return it back to us, where we are exactly in that process I do not know but that is how a ROM is delivered to the customer.
The original ROM was not delivered to us in November, we started testing it just recently but I think it has been longer than 2 weeks so at this point HTC most likely has the ball.
You bought a phone and it has been announced that you are getting ICS you have every right to know what’s going on with it and when you can see these awesome features. I did go into a lot of detail about how a ROM gets to the end user (you guys) but that wasn’t to point fingers only so you would have a better understanding of why you don’t have it yet, the bottom line is the Sensation has T-Mobile’s and HTC’s name all over it and both companies want to make you proud to be a Sensation owner so we are working as fast as we can to deliver it but also want to make sure that it stands up to your expectations.”
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tl;dr it says that, the ROM that HTC made didn't meet T-Mobile's expectations and has to be fixed by HTC... then sent to T-Mobile to test the ROM equalizing MORE delay
I know OP has Verizon, but that's kind of your fault for using Verizon. We all know how it is when it comes to Verizon and keeping a tight control over their phones. I personally don't consider Galaxy Nexus (LTE) to be a "Nexus" device. It comes bloated with VZW apps, Verizon has to approve the update by Google, Factory images are no longer uploaded, etc.
Kind of off-topic but I'd love to see the idea of Google buying T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom (owners of T-Mobile USA) then we would never have to worry about carriers trying to keep a tight grip on their phones. Not to mention then tight integration between Google services such as Google Voice would be tightly integrated between the carrier and Google services. Just a dream of mines.
Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
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But I'm not asking for an eta or timeline. Just something like "here's what we're doing this month, or even this quarter."
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Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Ah, my bad
I'm gonna guess the OTA will come with the white 16 gig version on April 5th, and that the white Gnexs will come with 4.0.5 loaded. Just a hunch. The rumors have been early April, so on Thursday or that weekend is my guess.
Well, I don't know about everyone else, but my "fake" Nexus has had 4.0.4 for a long time now. I've seen 2 updates since I bought my Nexus (fairly early after release). Not EVERY update comes via OTA. The Nexus line has ALWAYS been like this. At any rate, my 3 month old "fake and unsupported" Nexus has already seen more updates than my Vibrant ever did.
As far as GSM users complaining over updates, shut up. Your phones didn't need the updates that Google implemented for the CDMA version. I don't want fixes for a phone that isn't mine. I don't want Google releasing something that isn't ready. Radio issues are up to Samsung and the carrier, not Google. Stop whining about Google. Stop thinking Google is the hold up. Google isn't the hold up. Samsung is the hold up. If you have a CDMA version, blame Samsung and Verizon. If you're GSM, place the blame where it largely belongs, on Samsung.
For some reason 80% of people on this forum seem to think that Nexus means that you get an update every month or something like that. Like we should be on 4.1.7 by now or something like that. It's the most insanely retarded community I think I've ever seen in my life.
As a member of the choir and a Verizon customer for12 years
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Keep preaching.
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Verizon is a less-desirable carrier for me. Just sayin'.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
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and since when do you know about iphone updates before release? Apple is the most secretive tech company ever. They only comment on issues when they get really out of hand and media goes all over it (like the recent address book privacy issues or the better known antennagate).
iOS does have private betas though, which is kinda the equivalent of aosp for android in terms of release schedules. aosp 4.0.4 >>> 8 months >>> oem 4.0.4 updates
Why am I waiting on VZW for 4.0.4? I understood (or misunderstood) the Nexus line to get their updates directly from Google. This played a significant role in my decision to go with the Galaxy Nexus. So, what changed? I'm sure the Nexus One got updates direct from Google...didn't it? Also, I noticed a couple VZW branded uninstallable apps preloaded on it...why is there ANYTHING non-Google preloaded if it's "Pure Google?"
Man, I must have misunderstood something.
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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+1. Root it & put 4.0.4 on it yourself. Eff vzw.
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There wasn't a CDMA Nexus One, so yes it got its updates from Google.
This is actually nothing new, nothing has changed. Its been the exact same with the NS4G on Sprint. Verizon has closed-source radio code that they have to add themselves and test before sending it out. THAT is why you're waiting for Verizon.
As for the apps, just disable them and stop crying. Its the same deal, if a phone is gonna be on Verizon it's gonna have those apps.
If it bothers you that bad, buy a GSM model.
This has been argued/explained at length in many threads, blogs, podcasts and posts.
CDMA Nexii are slightly different. They get updates sent from Google to the carriers(ie Sprint and Verizon). GSM Nexii on the other hand, get updates directly from Google. It was known for a while now that this was the case, which means you didn't do your research.
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Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.
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Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.
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Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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what you stated here and was really my trying point is that veriosn needs to approve the software including the 2 to 3 apps and radios before the push to users ... i don't think anyone can deny that verison's version isn't true nexus
the only real nexus's are the Yakju/Takju builds ... which any gsm version could be converted to
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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They are updating what binaries they can provide, so don't be so sure they won't be updating images. Your definition of a true Nexus and mine differ.
VZW Galaxy Nexus still gets updates directly from Google. It just has to be put under review/testing from Verizon before it gets pushed.
Plus, who actually depends on the OTA? You're on XDA after all.
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zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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The radios are handled by Qualcomm/Verizon. It's a "true" nexus device. It meets all the criteria. Just because it gets a .0.1 revision update a week later (or whatever it was) doesn't mean ****. Seriously? Gonna cry of a couple small bug fixes? As to the CDMA binaries not being available, talk to Qualcomm, they made most of the binaries/radios.
You may not have to wait much longer. Vzw started to push 4.0.4 (Imm76K) last week.
It's in the Vzw Dev forum if you don't want to wait and don't mind unlocking and rooting
You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.
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No need to meet harshness with harshness.
Its obvious you're upset about this whole thing or you wouldn't have created a thread about it. You need to just decide what's important to you, read up on it, and if you find you don't want to "wait for Verizon" then I'll tell you again to buy a GSM model.
keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Ah, well those words conveyed it better.
keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.
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Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.
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Its true.
They should really stress the fact that XDA is a development site and not Verizon support forums.
Seriously though, you came on XDA and posted this thread. You could've rooted, unlocked, and flashed 4.0.4 by now.
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Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.
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Apple most definitely has leverage over carriers. If they didn't, you'd see bloatware on subsidized iPhones & updates being pushed at different times. Leaks don't matter because Apple makes their beta iOS builds readily available to those enrolled in the iOS development program.
A lot of fandroids don't want to admit that there ARE benefits to being a control freak, especially when you're one of the richest and most famous companies in the entire world. Apple doesn't order VZW around, but you can be damn sure that VZW doesn't order Apple around either. VZW telling Apple what changes they want made to the OS? LOL, not going to happen.
Just curious why a lot of people seem to prefer these devices over devices like Motorola Razr, etc? Is because these devices are updated more frequently than most? I've read that somewhere, but don't remember where. Thanks.
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Just curious why a lot of people seem to prefer these devices over devices like Motorola Razr, etc? Is because these devices are updated more frequently than most? I've read that somewhere, but don't remember where. Thanks.
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Nexus devices are bloat free (no motoblur, touchwiz, sense skins on top - just pure Android)
They (like you said) are the first to get updates to new Android releases
They are much simpler to unlock/root/theme/modify etc than others
The development of roms, kernels mods etc is the largest of any other Android phone probably and is always evolving
Pretty much why I chose a Nexus - I knew I would be able to get pretty comprehensive help with any aspect of it on these and other forums
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Nexus devices are bloat free (no motoblur, touchwiz, sense skins on top - just pure Android)
They (like you said) are the first to get updates to new Android releases
They are much simpler to unlock/root/theme/modify etc than others
The development of roms, kernels mods etc is the largest of any other Android phone probably and is always evolving
Pretty much why I chose a Nexus - I knew I would be able to get pretty comprehensive help with any aspect of it on these and other forums
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Thanks for your response; it's much appreciated. Since I've only ever used Moto Android devices, I'm not very familiar with the offerings by Nexus. Does Samsung actually make the Nexus, but Google owns Nexus?
Thanks again.
ti-force said:
Thanks for your response; it's much appreciated. Since I've only ever used Moto Android devices, I'm not very familiar with the offerings by Nexus. Does Samsung actually make the Nexus, but Google owns Nexus?
Thanks again.
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Google owns the Nexus brand and uses it to showcase their latest software offerings as well as to set a general trend of direction it envisions for Android as a whole - It contracts out the actual hardware manufacture to it's partners like HTC (Nexus One), Samsung (Nexus S & GNex) and ASUS (Nexus 7 tablet) etc.
Seeing as this particular forum is for the Galaxy Nexus specifically, you can find some more info here http://pocketnow.com/2012/07/20/whats-next-for-googles-nexus-brand-of-devices/ and ofcourse even more by using Google's no.1 product - Google Search
Carrier freedom.
Dev support.
Peer support.
Price.
Hardware good enough.
Pure android.
Serious geek toy.
(The gnex is Google brand, but manufactured by Samsung.)
Okay thanks, guys. It's all more clear to me now. So basically any Nexus device will be updated before any other device, correct? Say even before the Samsung Galaxy S111?
Thanks again.
ti-force said:
Okay thanks, guys. It's all more clear to me now. So basically any Nexus device will be updated before any other device, correct? Say even before the Samsung Galaxy S111?
Thanks again.
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No not any Nexus device. The GSM Nexus that you can buy from Google directly gets updates before any other device. The carrier locked (CDMA) Verizon and Sprint Nexi got the latest updates 2-3 months after the GSM model did, still they are ahead of most phones for updates.
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No not any Nexus device. The GSM Nexus that you can buy from Google directly gets updates before any other device. The carrier locked (CDMA) Verizon and Sprint Nexi got the latest updates 2-3 months after the GSM model did, still they are ahead of most phones for updates.
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Ah, okay. Thank you much.
ti-force said:
Just curious why a lot of people seem to prefer these devices over devices like Motorola Razr, etc? Is because these devices are updated more frequently than most? I've read that somewhere, but don't remember where. Thanks.
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Updated frequently, for longer, with great stock software.
If you're into rooting, its trivially easy.
If you're into ROMs, it'll be one of (if not the) best supported device for a long time to come.
Unlocked straight from Google.
Pentaband.
Honestly, I was a huge HTC fanatic up until I first played with the Gnex. After an hour of playing with my new Gnex I was hooked, after a week of tweaking it I decided I will not own any other device but a Nexus branded one from this point on. I hated samsung because of how plastic and toylike their phones seemed to be but after owning my Gnex I changed my mind. My last phone (Inc2) had scratches on the screen within a week and dust under the screen within a month. I'm going on 3 months with my Gnex and keep it naked in the same pocked as my car keys sometimes with not a single tiny cosmetic ding.
Anyway, got a little off the subject, honestly the only way I will ever hesitate in the future from buying a nexus device is if crappy motorola is making it. I still love HTC and I definitely have a newfound love for Samsung after owning my Gnex and playing with the Note 2 and the GS3.
Bottomline, once you own a google flagship phone nothing else really compares.
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Bottomline, once you own a google flagship phone nothing else really compares.
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i've never been so close to freedom.
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Thanks for your opinions, guys. I'm currently in the process of trying to purchase a GNexus online. If it all works out, hopefully I'll be able to experience first hand some of the great things that you guys have experienced.
ti-force said:
Thanks for your opinions, guys. I'm currently in the process of trying to purchase a GNexus online. If it all works out, hopefully I'll be able to experience first hand some of the great things that you guys have experienced.
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You can get it for a dollar through best buy currently. At least for verizon.
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You can get it for a dollar through best buy currently. At least for verizon.
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I'll check into that. Thanks! Probably requires an upgrade, though. Right? I can't upgrade for 4 more months....
ti-force said:
I'll check into that. Thanks! Probably requires an upgrade, though. Right? I can't upgrade for 4 more months....
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Yes that requires a new 2-year contract...
ti-force said:
I'll check into that. Thanks! Probably requires an upgrade, though. Right? I can't upgrade for 4 more months....
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If you want an upgrade, ditch the carrier with an unlocked phone! :good:
I choose this phone because it will be vastly developed on even two years from now.
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