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Bloat on Galaxy Nexus

Nexus used to be a great series...until it took an arrow to knee. All jokes aside, I cant believe they are letting verizon do that. I wasnt going to get one, but I have some friends who are and I wish you devs good luck on getting some clean roms the new nexus deserves.

Aren't there already roms without this? It's been reported that the Verizon version will still get updates directly through Google, which is the real concern.
Ill see those Verizon apps for like 5 minutes until I unlock the bootloader and flash a custom rom. I'm not losing any sleep over them.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

Verizon probably requires this bloatware in order to sell the phone through its retail channels.
Google doesn't seem interested in pursuing direct customer sales anymore so this is the price the Nexus line will have to pay.

Also, there is already an extensive thread on this with almost the same title.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1350883

player911 said:
Aren't there already roms without this? It's been reported that the Verizon version will still get updates directly through Google, which is the real concern.
Ill see those Verizon apps for like 5 minutes until I unlock the bootloader and flash a custom rom. I'm not losing any sleep over them.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
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This... I can't believe everyone is freaking out about this lol
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Seriously.. and people actually use My Verizon.

joshnichols189 said:
Seriously.. and people actually use My Verizon.
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I do, quick way to see minutes.

It's two basic apps, not the end of the world.
I, for one, never liked having Amazon baked into my Nexus S ROM.
It is what it is and isn't "bloatware."
At least it's not CityID ****ware.
Mountain out of molehills and such...

Pacifik said:
I do, quick way to see minutes.
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I know.. I was being serious haha
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diablos991 said:
Verizon probably requires this bloatware in order to sell the phone through its retail channels.
Google doesn't seem interested in pursuing direct customer sales anymore so this is the price the Nexus line will have to pay.
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They can't pursue direct customer sales simply because it is not profitable, especially since another manufacturer is manufacturing the device. Majority of smartphone purchases are bought with a contract, afterall and a large number of users will discover the phones through 'phone stores' that are partners to carriers or carrier specific to begin with.
Carriers 'own' this market. Apple learned that with iPhone as well.
Google does as much as possible, but they are still a company that needs a profit in order to keep doing what they are doing. They did release the software without bloatware as much as they could as well as added option to disable such apps (unless carriers demand these things taken out).
So this is all part of negiotiation with Verizon, since Google wanted a 4G phone on major network, but needed to release it on a large carrier to make use of it. It was likely a long negotiation where these apps and Verizon replacing Google logo were the compromise. Otherwise this would make less sense for Verizon, since they can have other 4G phones and ignore Galaxy Nexus entirely.

I would have thought that Google's first criteria in choosing a partner carrier would be Google Wallet acceptance/promotion, which doesn't seem to be the case with Verizon.

I think you'd only call this stuff bloat back in the day when you only had 256mb to install apps. Now we call it 'branding'?
Ez
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Google pulls support for LTE Galaxy Nexus?

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...ons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
I'm not sure whether this is legit...or whether its just a mistake..LETS HOPE ITS JUST A MISTAKE OK GUISE?
Seriously though, we've been through enough with this phone

Yeah fingers crossed this isn't true...
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If this is true, I'm going to be seriously pissed. I gave up an unlimited data plan at AT&T to get the GN because I wanted a phone that should be future-proof with respect to OS updates for 18-24 months.
I'm still within my 14 days with Verizon. I hope we get this straightened out before my return period is up...

Seems pretty clear. It's a bit too official in too many places consistently to be a "mistake".
Verizon pushed them too far, and took away too many things for Google to consider it a Nexus reference platform.
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ssmug said:
If this is true, I'm going to be seriously pissed. I gave up an unlimited data plan at AT&T to get the GN because I wanted a phone that should be future-proof with respect to OS updates for 18-24 months.
I'm still within my 14 days with Verizon. I hope we get this straightened out before my return period is up...
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You could've kept your unlimited plan and bought unlocked GSM... Verizon wasn't your only option lol.

Seriously, this is a lot of uproar about nothing IMO.
The page stating CDMA devices aren't supported is for building AOSP builds for target devices. It has nothing to do with OTA updates.
You'll notice another Nexus CDMA device missing, the Nexus S 4G. Guess where it gets its updates from and always has (it's not Sprint)?

krohnjw said:
Seriously, this is a lot of uproar about nothing IMO.
The page stating CDMA devices aren't supported is for building AOSP builds for target devices. It has nothing to do with OTA updates.
You'll notice another Nexus CDMA device missing, the Nexus S 4G. Guess where it gets its updates from and always has (it's not Sprint)?
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I'm new to Android phones (but not tablets), so I don't know exactly what those listing mean, but I sure hope you're right!

ssmug said:
I'm new to Android phones (but not tablets), so I don't know exactly what those listing mean, but I sure hope you're right!
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They are merely targets you can pass in when building a a ROM from AOSP source that configures the source for that target device automatically and the accompanying instructions for flashing the rom you've build (From source) to that device. Along with this are the required vendor binaries (blobs) to place in the build directory for the closed source libraries for specific hardware for each device.
The sensational headline does grab attention, but that page has never had anything to do with updates.

I think even if Google drops support there will be lots of mods like cyanogen.

DonXoB said:
I think even if Google drops support there will be lots of mods like cyanogen.
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Forgive me if this is a naive question, but would they be able to update the OS from the GSM updates?

I think Google means to pull the LTE radios, it seems like VZW to be concerned about those being OS'ed for security reason...hmmm

martonikaj said:
You could've kept your unlimited plan and bought unlocked GSM... Verizon wasn't your only option lol.
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That is what I did. Best $700 I've ever spent!

krohnjw said:
They are merely targets you can pass in when building a a ROM from AOSP source that configures the source for that target device automatically and the accompanying instructions for flashing the rom you've build (From source) to that device. Along with this are the required vendor binaries (blobs) to place in the build directory for the closed source libraries for specific hardware for each device.
The sensational headline does grab attention, but that page has never had anything to do with updates.
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that's worse. So there won't be devs aosp built on this phone anymore ?
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Verizon must have really pissed off Google.

martonikaj said:
You could've kept your unlimited plan and bought unlocked GSM... Verizon wasn't your only option lol.
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I knew someone would say that! I don't use that much data (although I'm not in an LTE area, but I am near one), and if I did have LTE, I don't really stream or tether, so it wouldn't be too big a deal. (And my company gets a 25% discount at Verizon and 5 GB for the price of 2 GB.)
Still hurt to leave it, especially since I got the GN specifically for what I thought would be guaranteed OS support...
I still have until Tuesday to return it and go back, though...

My Rant, and I hope Google Reads This

Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.

Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).

Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You've heard wrong.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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Its a matter of principle for some people.
And you have to unlock your bootloader. You can relock it after of course.

greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
People are on 4.0.2 for over a month now I believe, yet we Canadian users, as well as many others across the world are still on 4.0.1 and have been duped into believing the "Galaxy Nexus" is a true Google device. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. My yakjuux build from what I hear is updated from Samsung, not by you, and that irritates me.
Sure, I can flip over to yakju myself, but really, why should I have to do that??a
I mean is it so hard for Google to do, what the likes of Microsoft has been doing for many, many years? That is make one build, let's call it base yakju, then through the initial install process, ask the user what region/carrier/language/radio he/she has and have the unit download the "region packs" accordingly??
The dreaded Microsoft doesn't sell 15 different "regional versions" of Windows, its the exact same build, but with language packs that are set up after the initial install process.
That way everyone gets an update at the same time, in this case, by you Google not by Samsung, as it is believed is happening with my phone (although unconfirmed because we haven't received an update yet!)
Anyway, there are many that will say you can do it yourself, and while this is true, one shouldn't have to. Nor should we have to wait for updates as a regional build when the "original" yakju builds get updated quickly.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S, and I stated I will never buy a carrier build phone again because of fragmented updates across the world, of which Canada never seemed to get one... I said I'm going pure android. That is why I bought the Nexus.
Unfortunately, its starting to feel like the exact same experience.
Sorry if this bothers someone. That was not my intention.
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Agreed on all points! Google, sadly, is becoming a an organization that lacks focus in its endeavors.

I also come from a galaxy s and i have a yakju, international gsm, carrier free.
When i first heard that vodafone pt would have galaxy nexus carrier locked for sale, i thought right away that that couldnt be a good thing, so i went and ordered a sim free international version even more certain that what i needed was the one where no carrier touched, only Google. That worked out fine. There was no yakju variants known at the time, october or early november last year.
The move about dropping support on cdma devices was not so good, but thats on the carrier and lte fw.
Edit: re read op, and it seems he has a carrier unlocked phone.
If you wanted to escape regional builds, you should ask yourself why they exist. Different basebands for example, you probably are aware of this since you're from Canada.
I dont care about otas and etas, as long as source is available. Thats why i bought it in the first place.

Yes I can't believe why Google is allowing this. The nexus doesn't seem like a nexus now- it's just a phone that is unlockable.
It is the same case for me in Hong Kong. I finally decided not to flash yakju but to start using ROMs the second week I bought the phone.
Google needs to change this policy. They aren't going to let the nexus get more and more out of hand and less Google! As we Hongkongers like to say, give us back the "Google son"!
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greeced said:
It kind of irritates me that I bought this phone for the "Pure Google Experience" only to find out its not really that "True" experience with all these different regional builds.
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How could there be no regional builds when people in the world don't even speak the same language?
Sorry for my sarcasm, but you get the idea. We have different networks, systems, AC power plugs... the list goes on and on. Just look at what 'X' means in different countries.
But I agree that they can do a lot more to make it easier.

Google has always held the belief that the Nexus line is for developers. It is for the most part a stock platform for which a developer can test their products on. However, Samsung and the carriers have mass marketed the phone as a consumer phone. It really is not and the Nexus brand has changed forever.
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Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.

how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?

zeekiz said:
Eventually, google/samsung have to please the carriers that are selling the phone, else they won't want to carry it.
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This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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Oretoise said:
Why not just flash yakju? You don't even need to unlock the bootloader (or so I've heard).
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You're missing the point of his post.
Sent from a yakju GSGN

josteink said:
This is true only in the us. The rest of the world has working GSM networks and thus freedom from carrier dictated nonsense.
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But then you are looking at the fact that they then have to supply smaller retailers with the handset, which also means they would have a lower scope of user adoption, as well as the cost of additional advertising.
By pleasing selected network providers, it ensure that the handset is in the hands of not just enthusiasts, but also the general user. The handset will have a higher adoption rate due to the higher availability, as well as the network providers will be more proactive in advertising the phone, overall this not only increases profits, but saves money by relying on the front end to advertise to attract users.
Business is business at the end of the day.

HRodMusic said:
how do i know what region my gnex is frmo?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate

martonikaj said:
https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
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wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?

HRodMusic said:
wow thank you kind sir!
so i guess im yakju, thats the good one right? does that mean my phone is not canadian?
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LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.

efrant said:
You've heard wrong.
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You do NOT need to unlock boot loader to flash yakju, from personal experience.

martonikaj said:
LOL. Read the app man. If it says "updated by GOOGLE" then you're good.
Its not about being Canadian vs. not. More like 100% stock Google vs. 99% stock Google.
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yea, its just i got my phone off craigslist, ive always wondered were it came from, over seas, or from my canadian neighbors =D
btw whats your speeds like in bellingham?

greeced said:
Google, I hope you're reading/listening to this:
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You're posting on XDA and hope Google reads this?
I'm just happy that we have access to the latest ICS versions (through ROMs and AOSP). If I have to flash them instead of getting OTAs, then so be it. I can live with that.
I am 100% sure we are much better off than those still stuck on Gingerbread, Froyo, Eclair and even Donut. We and the Nexus S crew are still the first to get our hands on ICS, which we've been able to enjoy over the past 4 months whilst everyone else has to wait patiently. We'll also have first dibs on Jellybean too
Is it ideal that we already have version fragmentation on ICS? Not really, but considering the baseline version recommended for mass use hasn't seemed to have surfaced yet, I wouldn't really consider that a problem. Once that's out in the wild, I would expect most people will get OTA'd to the latest version and all will be well.
Regional builds MAY get it slower due to Samsung handling the OTAs, however I think they only did this to offload some of the pressure of single-handedly applying a global update. Even though my Nexus was shipped as yakju, I do hope Sammy pulls their finger out and updates the regional builds as fast as Google will.

Why am I waiting on VZW?

Why am I waiting on VZW for 4.0.4? I understood (or misunderstood) the Nexus line to get their updates directly from Google. This played a significant role in my decision to go with the Galaxy Nexus. So, what changed? I'm sure the Nexus One got updates direct from Google...didn't it? Also, I noticed a couple VZW branded uninstallable apps preloaded on it...why is there ANYTHING non-Google preloaded if it's "Pure Google?"
Man, I must have misunderstood something.

Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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miketoasty said:
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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+1. Root it & put 4.0.4 on it yourself. Eff vzw.
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There wasn't a CDMA Nexus One, so yes it got its updates from Google.
This is actually nothing new, nothing has changed. Its been the exact same with the NS4G on Sprint. Verizon has closed-source radio code that they have to add themselves and test before sending it out. THAT is why you're waiting for Verizon.
As for the apps, just disable them and stop crying. Its the same deal, if a phone is gonna be on Verizon it's gonna have those apps.
If it bothers you that bad, buy a GSM model.
This has been argued/explained at length in many threads, blogs, podcasts and posts.

CDMA Nexii are slightly different. They get updates sent from Google to the carriers(ie Sprint and Verizon). GSM Nexii on the other hand, get updates directly from Google. It was known for a while now that this was the case, which means you didn't do your research.
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miketoasty said:
Because you are too lazy to root your phone?
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Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.

vash1053 said:
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.

vash1053 said:
Shouldn't have to.
Anyway, it's clear that VZW is incapable of responsibly having a Nexus phone in their lineup. I hope they don't get one ever again unless Google manages to get some leverage on them like Apple does.
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Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.

blowtorch said:
Like mentioned earlier VZW still customizes android with radios and bloatware. So despite the newest Google android releases for GSM deices VZW still tinkers with the latest version goes through a testing phase then pushes it to end users eventually. The beauty of a Nexus phone is user freedom to customize and use roms with ease. Quit waiting on Big Red, take your phone back flash the latest software yourself.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.

zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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what you stated here and was really my trying point is that veriosn needs to approve the software including the 2 to 3 apps and radios before the push to users ... i don't think anyone can deny that verison's version isn't true nexus
the only real nexus's are the Yakju/Takju builds ... which any gsm version could be converted to

zephiK said:
VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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They are updating what binaries they can provide, so don't be so sure they won't be updating images. Your definition of a true Nexus and mine differ.

VZW Galaxy Nexus still gets updates directly from Google. It just has to be put under review/testing from Verizon before it gets pushed.
Plus, who actually depends on the OTA? You're on XDA after all.
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VZW doesn't customize anything. The bloatware is just like 2-3 apps that are Verizon apps.
Radios are handled by Samsung.
Verizon Galaxy Nexus isn't a true 'nexus' device. People will debate with me but honestly it isn't,
1) No images flashed to 4.0.4 (they are archived on Google's website to 4.0.2 now but won't be updated).
2) Carrier has to approve update.
If you want the true Nexus feeling, get the GSM model of the phone.
If you don't want to root / flash your phone, then don't complain about not getting 4.0.4. GSM users have to wait for the OTA as well unless they root and manually flash. You can manually flash 4.0.4 OTA on VZW as well.
But GSM will get it first because they dont have to be approved.
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The radios are handled by Qualcomm/Verizon. It's a "true" nexus device. It meets all the criteria. Just because it gets a .0.1 revision update a week later (or whatever it was) doesn't mean ****. Seriously? Gonna cry of a couple small bug fixes? As to the CDMA binaries not being available, talk to Qualcomm, they made most of the binaries/radios.

You may not have to wait much longer. Vzw started to push 4.0.4 (Imm76K) last week.
It's in the Vzw Dev forum if you don't want to wait and don't mind unlocking and rooting

You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.

No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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meganame said:
You guys are really proud of rooting your phone. Sounds like you need something bigger in your life. I ask a few questions and suddenly I'm lazy & crying. Really, if this is big enough to get upset over, then you need to lay off the internet a little. Go find something worth getting upset over.
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No need to meet harshness with harshness.
Its obvious you're upset about this whole thing or you wouldn't have created a thread about it. You need to just decide what's important to you, read up on it, and if you find you don't want to "wait for Verizon" then I'll tell you again to buy a GSM model.

keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Ah, well those words conveyed it better.

keith.mcintyre26 said:
No one is upset. In the time it took creating this thread and replying to posts, you could have rooted and been on 4.0.4. I think that's the point everyone's trying to convey.
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Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.

martonikaj said:
Not really helping... I think what he's trying to get people to understand is that he shouldn't have to root to get the OTA. And all people on XDA do is say "shut up noob, just root your ph0n3".
OP, whether you like it or not this thread is going to turn into a nasty, nasty flame war in a couple pages. Sorry.
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Its true.
They should really stress the fact that XDA is a development site and not Verizon support forums.
Seriously though, you came on XDA and posted this thread. You could've rooted, unlocked, and flashed 4.0.4 by now.
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martonikaj said:
Apple doesn't have any special leverages over carriers for OS updates when compared to the Nexus. They need Verizon's proprietary code and testing just as much. They need the same with AT&T and Sprint.
We just don't get any leaks on iOS updates, and Apple only releases an iOS update when its ready for everyone. They don't release iOS earlier for their unlocked models because they want to release it for everyone at once. It'd be the exact same deal if Google held the update for everyone and didn't push it till Verizon was done.
And you're right, he shouldn't have to root his phone. If he wants to wait he can wait and he'll get the OTA when its pushed to everyone on the Verizon model. Rooting isn't the only way to get the OTA. It does come w/o rooting if you wait.
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Apple most definitely has leverage over carriers. If they didn't, you'd see bloatware on subsidized iPhones & updates being pushed at different times. Leaks don't matter because Apple makes their beta iOS builds readily available to those enrolled in the iOS development program.
A lot of fandroids don't want to admit that there ARE benefits to being a control freak, especially when you're one of the richest and most famous companies in the entire world. Apple doesn't order VZW around, but you can be damn sure that VZW doesn't order Apple around either. VZW telling Apple what changes they want made to the OS? LOL, not going to happen.

I Would Never Have Bought This Phone....

I know that's a dramatic title, but it's true. This was my first Android phone, purchased 14 months ago. I quickly found xda, rooted and got s-off. I have enjoyed this community, the developers have been amazing. I have stuck mostly with AOSP ROMs but have played with at least 20 different ones off and on. I love the open source community, and the ability to tweak everything with my phone. That said, my contract will be up in the spring, and when looking at a new phone there are only two options:
the new iPhone - I know that is traitorous, and I probably won't go there (I've invested too much in this OS and in paid apps), but iPhone's ecosystem has so much reliability. There is only a few phone models out there, so you know what you're going to get. When iOS updates, everyone has access to it. It just works. It is less customizable out of the box, but once jailbroken gives many of the same opportunities as Android
a "pure Google" phone (ie Nexus) - this is realistically where I am headed, and where I "hope" the whole Android community is headed. Steve Jobs, love him or hate him, revolutionized the way a cell phone was sold when he made the deal with AT&T. I hope that Google can do the same. I love everything about my HTC Incredible 2, the construction and hardware and functionality are great, but that cannot make up for the fact that ICS was released on October 11, 2011. That's TEN MONTHS AGO! Do you understand what that means in tech time? The average contract length is 1 or two years. That means if you purchased this phone on a one year contract in October, you will possibly never get the ICS update intended for your phone. That is ridiculous. You can point blame wherever you want, but the bottom line is that it's unacceptable. Now if you have a "pure Google" phone you get all those updates immediately, and you also get a group of hungry developers that gather to the phone just because of that. Now, before I hear "just download Aerovan's CM9 it works great" - I have, and it does for the most part, but that's not the point. We should have had fully functioning ICS for 10 months now, and we should have had a fully functioning Jelly Bean for one month. Instead, we may get ICS before Christmas.
tl;dr - buy a "pure Google" phone, the delay in OS updates is not worth getting any other phone (even if it has better "x")
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This is why we have xda... running jb before the ics update comes out lol.
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prototype7 said:
This is why we have xda... running jb before the ics update comes out lol.
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If only it was good enough
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Actually, the current JB update for the GN has terrible battery. ICS 6-8 hours, JB 4-6 hours.
I have 50% of battery at the end of the day with moderate use with my dinc 2
Just another reason I love this phone
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To open: every thing just works. Android just works, wp7&8 just works ios just works. this "just works" nonsense is part of apples campaign. My dinc2 just worked out of the box I chose to make it better at the cost of adding some instability.
The only phone that I know of that didn't work and no amount of dev work can fix was my old dx2.
Here's the truth in the matter ios gives you and every owner the same experience while with android you are given an experience but you can also choose to make your own. Ios is out dated. IPhone hardware is outdated, Apple knows this that's why they sue and patent some of the most retarded things in the name of anti-competitive spirit.
Why go backwards in tech when you can move forward. Go for pure Google. Then you can have a great phone with the latest tech, open software with timely ota updates.
But its your money. Choose to be an isheep or choose to be a Herder its your call.
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densetsu86 said:
To open: every thing just works. Android just works, wp7&8 just works ios just works. this "just works" nonsense is part of apples campaign. My dinc2 just worked out of the box I chose to make it better at the cost of adding some instability.
The only phone that I know of that didn't work and no amount of dev work can fix was my old dx2.
Here's the truth in the matter ios gives you and every owner the same experience while with android you are given an experience but you can also choose to make your own. Ios is out dated. IPhone hardware is outdated, Apple knows this that's why they sue and patent some of the most retarded things in the name of anti-competitive spirit.
Why go backwards in tech when you can move forward. Go for pure Google. Then you can have a great phone with the latest tech, open software with timely ota updates.
But its your money. Choose to be an isheep or choose to be a Herder its your call.
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The x2 was horrible, it had great potential but "motorizon" stepped in, I'm amazed Dragonzkiller is still working in it, for that I give him props.
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Triscuit said:
The x2 was horrible, it had great potential but "motorizon" stepped in, I'm amazed Dragonzkiller is still working in it, for that I give him props.
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Yes, the Incredible2 is an amazing phone.
I would say this is the best phone that can handle any OS till now (Android).
but as I am in India, I am not able to use this phone at its best due to not having proper ICS ROM which support Indian CDMA network.
I tried UKB 1.1x, it works great with GSM, but it did not detect CDMA UIM card...
other than this, this phone is amazing....... and beautifull.....

@OP. I agree option 2 makes most sense and is what I wish to do in the future as well. However, DON'T go with Verizon for your next Nexus phone... Apparently VZW is still delaying the JB update for Verizon's GNex... Appalling news and a slap on the face for the whole Nexus brand... If Asus can release JB on an non-nexus tablet (read TF300) faster than it can come on a nexus phone, what the hell should we do now!? VZW is like a god damn bully who is just plain mocking us and taunting us... It is not even trying to embrace technology and attempts to live in the old days... Screw them. I suppose it makes sense to go for a Nexus device on a GSM network. The way it is MEANT to be! :/ so AT&T (or T-mobile) it is...
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Krishna.tungal said:
Yes, the Incredible2 is an amazing phone.
I would say this is the best phone that can handle any OS till now (Android).
but as I am in India, I am not able to use this phone at its best due to not having proper ICS ROM which support Indian CDMA network.
I tried UKB 1.1x, it works great with GSM, but it did not detect CDMA UIM card...
other than this, this phone is amazing....... and beautifull.....
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Aren't a vast majority of the carriers GSM (excepting Reliance and 1 by Tata I think)?

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@OP. I agree option 2 makes most sense and is what I wish to do in the future as well. However, DON'T go with Verizon for your next Nexus phone... Apparently VZW is still delaying the JB update for Verizon's GNex... Appalling news and a slap on the face for the whole Nexus brand... If Asus can release JB on an non-nexus tablet (read TF300) faster than it can come on a nexus phone, what the hell should we do now!? VZW is like a god damn bully who is just plain mocking us and taunting us... It is not even trying to embrace technology and attempts to live in the old days... Screw them. I suppose it makes sense to go for a Nexus device on a GSM network. The way it is MEANT to be! :/ so AT&T (or T-mobile) it is...
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Is there actual evidence to back this up anywhere? It's coming off like a little bit of FUD to me to say that Verizon is purposely delaying the JB update.

litetaker said:
@OP. I agree option 2 makes most sense and is what I wish to do in the future as well. However, DON'T go with Verizon for your next Nexus phone... Apparently VZW is still delaying the JB update for Verizon's GNex... Appalling news and a slap on the face for the whole Nexus brand... If Asus can release JB on an non-nexus tablet (read TF300) faster than it can come on a nexus phone, what the hell should we do now!? VZW is like a god damn bully who is just plain mocking us and taunting us... It is not even trying to embrace technology and attempts to live in the old days... Screw them. I suppose it makes sense to go for a Nexus device on a GSM network. The way it is MEANT to be! :/ so AT&T (or T-mobile) it is...
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Yes, I think I will only purchase a phone from the Google Play store. When my contract expires I don't want to be locked up in another two year deal.
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Is there actual evidence to back this up anywhere? It's coming off like a little bit of FUD to me to say that Verizon is purposely delaying the JB update.
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There isn't evidence that they are purposely doing it, but what litetaker says is true. Thus the Verizon Galaxy Nexus is not a "pure Google" phone as advertised.

frankspin said:
Is there actual evidence to back this up anywhere? It's coming off like a little bit of FUD to me to say that Verizon is purposely delaying the JB update.
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http://easternmorningherald.com/ver...hen-can-we-expect-the-new-android-os/1215208/
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/08/20/slow-verizon-galaxy-nexus-jelly-bean-update-frustrates/
Now the fact of the matter is Gnexes on Verizon are yet to receive the OTA for JB which was released 41 days ago. Clearly, it is the carrier's incompetence that is causing the delay though it is indeed doubtful whether VZW is doing it purposely or just out of pure incompetence... Whatever it is, it is taking way too long FOR a Nexus device. It is down right laughable and I am not happy about it...
On the other hand, several reports online ([1], [2]) suggest that JB OTA is already out on AT&T and other GSM based carriers... :/
That is simply uncool by VZW AND Sprint, might I add... I dunno what is up with CDMA versions of Gnex. But it is just uncool!